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February 23rd, 2008, 12:15 AM
US will back new Iran sanctions
The US wants a new resolution on Iran agreed 'with some dispatch'
US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has said there is a "very strong case" for a third round of sanctions on Iran over its disputed nuclear programme.
She spoke as the UN nuclear agency said it could offer no "credible assurances" that Iran was not building a bomb.
UN Security Council members the US, UK, China, France and Russia meet on Monday in Washington to mull their next step.
But Iran's top nuclear negotiator said the UN report backed Tehran's claim its nuclear programme was peaceful.
Tehran refuses to stop enriching uranium, insisting its work is aimed purely at generating electricity.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7260122.stm
The US just doesn't give up!! As with Iraq they now try to bring Iran to its knees. I wonder how Russia and China will vote.
US will back new Iran sanctions
The US wants a new resolution on Iran agreed 'with some dispatch'US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has said there is a "very strong case" for a third round of sanctions on Iran over its disputed nuclear programme.
She spoke as the UN nuclear agency said it could offer no "credible assurances" that Iran was not building a bomb.
UN Security Council members the US, UK, China, France and Russia meet on Monday in Washington to mull their next step.
But Iran's top nuclear negotiator said the UN report backed Tehran's claim its nuclear programme was peaceful.
Tehran refuses to stop enriching uranium, insisting its work is aimed purely at generating electricity.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7260122.stm
The US just doesn't give up!! As with Iraq they now try to bring Iran to its knees. I wonder how Russia and China will vote.
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February 23rd, 2008, 09:51 AM
You've got to love the American boogyman speak.....
Why don't Americans place sanctions against China or Russia or places where there are definately signs of the development of nuclear arsenels?
In case you haven't been paying attention ...The Israeli government of America wants to eradicate Islam and anything even remotely resembling Islam....
Oy Vey....Once again we see the American Dream in action......
You've got to love the American boogyman speak.....
Why don't Americans place sanctions against China or Russia or places where there are definately signs of the development of nuclear arsenels?
In case you haven't been paying attention ...The Israeli government of America wants to eradicate Islam and anything even remotely resembling Islam....
Oy Vey....Once again we see the American Dream in action......
February 23rd, 2008, 10:20 AM
Behold the US endorsing, embracing and affirming the existence of the majority Muslim sovereign nation of Kosovo.
US acknowledges Kosovos independence
Again, try reality, it tastes better.
Quoting MikeyDB
What absolute garbage!
In case you haven't been paying attention ...The Israeli government of America wants to eradicate Islam and anything even remotely resembling Islam....
Behold the US endorsing, embracing and affirming the existence of the majority Muslim sovereign nation of Kosovo.
US acknowledges Kosovos independence
Again, try reality, it tastes better.
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February 23rd, 2008, 10:25 AM
“A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.”
Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803–1882)
In case you haven't noticed Boob...er Bear....Kosovo and Serbia are on the brink of civil war.... What better strategy than to promulgate divisiveness that once again paints the Islamists as the bad guys.....
Try again Boob....er Bear....
“A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.”
Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803–1882)
In case you haven't noticed Boob...er Bear....Kosovo and Serbia are on the brink of civil war.... What better strategy than to promulgate divisiveness that once again paints the Islamists as the bad guys.....
Try again Boob....er Bear....
February 23rd, 2008, 10:36 AM
You really are showing some true growth there Mikey.
Now, how about the conflict that drove NATO and the UN to invade...who did the MSM and NATO propaganda spin miesters pin that on..? Oh ya, the Christian Serbs...Who is being violent at the moment..? Oh ya, Christian Serbs...
Got reality?
Quoting MikeyDB
This statement better suites you then I mikey. Look at the reality of the situation, the baseless assumptions, opinions and hyperbole you just applied to topic at hand. “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.”
Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803–1882)
Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803–1882)
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So when confronted with reality you fall to the depths of name calling and baseless accusations. In case you haven't noticed Boob...er Bear....Kosovo and Serbia are on the brink of civil war.... What better strategy than to promulgate divisiveness that once again paints the Islamists as the bad guys.....
Try again Boob....er Bear....
Try again Boob....er Bear....
You really are showing some true growth there Mikey.
Now, how about the conflict that drove NATO and the UN to invade...who did the MSM and NATO propaganda spin miesters pin that on..? Oh ya, the Christian Serbs...Who is being violent at the moment..? Oh ya, Christian Serbs...
Got reality?
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February 23rd, 2008, 11:07 AM
In my opinion Iran and Kosovo are two vastly different situations. Iran is a threat to Israel! Iran is also a most desirable chunk of land the Americans would like to add to their hegemonic control for reasons already discussed in another thread.
In my opinion Iran and Kosovo are two vastly different situations. Iran is a threat to Israel! Iran is also a most desirable chunk of land the Americans would like to add to their hegemonic control for reasons already discussed in another thread.
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February 23rd, 2008, 12:23 PM
Did you know that Israel was one of the FIRST nations to offer to take some Bosnian MUSLIMS refugees when the Serbs were engaging in ethnic cleansing?
America went to war to defend Muslims in Kosovo........which was probably dumb and idealistic of them.......
Jews make up a smaller portion of the US electorate than Blacks or Hispanics........
GET REAL!
The Great Jewish Conspiracy DOESN'T EXIST!
This stuff makes me very angry.....it smells of the ovens at Dachau.
Quoting MikeyDB
Oh BALONEY!
You've got to love the American boogyman speak.....
In case you haven't been paying attention ...The Israeli government of America wants to eradicate Islam and anything even remotely resembling Islam....
......
In case you haven't been paying attention ...The Israeli government of America wants to eradicate Islam and anything even remotely resembling Islam....
......
Did you know that Israel was one of the FIRST nations to offer to take some Bosnian MUSLIMS refugees when the Serbs were engaging in ethnic cleansing?
America went to war to defend Muslims in Kosovo........which was probably dumb and idealistic of them.......
Jews make up a smaller portion of the US electorate than Blacks or Hispanics........
GET REAL!
The Great Jewish Conspiracy DOESN'T EXIST!
This stuff makes me very angry.....it smells of the ovens at Dachau.
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February 24th, 2008, 08:31 AM
Colpy
Without actually building another "Holocaust Memorial" right here in Canadian Content....like the world needs another one..! Perhaps you can explain why the United States spends billions of dollars in "aid" to Israel while obviously more than prepared to invade Moslem nations? Why does the United States support the malingering and obfuscation of many many U.N. actions by Israel? While calling for financial constraints against Iran, Israel recieves the unqualified support of the United States when it refuses to accept and abide by U.N. resolutions?
Now if you're going to offer the same old crap about "The only democracy in the Mid East"...never mind, you haven't been convinced nor are you available to be convinced that the government in Israel isn't anything even remotely akin to "democracy". There's far more evidence pointing in the direction that something other than altruistic dreams are behind the unwavering support found for Israel in the "Land of the Free"....
Tell us Colpy, why do Americans dance to the Israeli tune?
Colpy
Without actually building another "Holocaust Memorial" right here in Canadian Content....like the world needs another one..! Perhaps you can explain why the United States spends billions of dollars in "aid" to Israel while obviously more than prepared to invade Moslem nations? Why does the United States support the malingering and obfuscation of many many U.N. actions by Israel? While calling for financial constraints against Iran, Israel recieves the unqualified support of the United States when it refuses to accept and abide by U.N. resolutions?
Now if you're going to offer the same old crap about "The only democracy in the Mid East"...never mind, you haven't been convinced nor are you available to be convinced that the government in Israel isn't anything even remotely akin to "democracy". There's far more evidence pointing in the direction that something other than altruistic dreams are behind the unwavering support found for Israel in the "Land of the Free"....
Tell us Colpy, why do Americans dance to the Israeli tune?
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February 24th, 2008, 08:52 AM
How much is America willing to spend?
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=831
For those who have any availability to examining the reality of the enormous imbalance both fiscally and philosophically that continued support for Israel by the United States represents…..
The question is why?
Is there any reason why the enormous wealth of the United States is and has been at the beck and call of the Israeli government for as long as it has while other states with oil and with far more democratically oriented governments fail to recieve a similar favoritisim?
Would the financial support given to Israel by the United States have made a difference in world peace if it had been given to an Islamic nation?
How much is America willing to spend?
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=831
For those who have any availability to examining the reality of the enormous imbalance both fiscally and philosophically that continued support for Israel by the United States represents…..
The question is why?
Is there any reason why the enormous wealth of the United States is and has been at the beck and call of the Israeli government for as long as it has while other states with oil and with far more democratically oriented governments fail to recieve a similar favoritisim?
Would the financial support given to Israel by the United States have made a difference in world peace if it had been given to an Islamic nation?
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February 24th, 2008, 08:54 AM
What do you mean Israel is not a "democracy"? It is, in fact, a healthier democracy than our own, as the PM does not run a five year dictatorship......who is denied the vote?
Israel is a friend of the United States..........and yes, it is a democracy, and yes, it enjoys rule of law, and yes, it is a nation dedicated to the ideals of western civilization, and yes, Israel DESERVES our support....and because the USA is essentually a Christian nation.....with a respect for, and a debt owed to the Jewish people.
And, believe it or not, the United States supports Israel because IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
The same reason I support Israel.
Period.
Quoting MikeyDB
Because most of the UN resolutions concerning Israel are laughable............they would, taken as a group, spell the end of that nation.
Colpy
Without actually building another "Holocaust Memorial" right here in Canadian Content....like the world needs another one..! Perhaps you can explain why the United States spends billions of dollars in "aid" to Israel while obviously more than prepared to invade Moslem nations? Why does the United States support the malingering and obfuscation of many many U.N. actions by Israel? While calling for financial constraints against Iran, Israel recieves the unqualified support of the United States when it refuses to accept and abide by U.N. resolutions?
Now if you're going to offer the same old crap about "The only democracy in the Mid East"...never mind, you haven't been convinced nor are you available to be convinced that the government in Israel isn't anything even remotely akin to "democracy". There's far more evidence pointing in the direction that something other than altruistic dreams are behind the unwavering support found for Israel in the "Land of the Free"....
Tell us Colpy, why do Americans dance to the Israeli tune?
Without actually building another "Holocaust Memorial" right here in Canadian Content....like the world needs another one..! Perhaps you can explain why the United States spends billions of dollars in "aid" to Israel while obviously more than prepared to invade Moslem nations? Why does the United States support the malingering and obfuscation of many many U.N. actions by Israel? While calling for financial constraints against Iran, Israel recieves the unqualified support of the United States when it refuses to accept and abide by U.N. resolutions?
Now if you're going to offer the same old crap about "The only democracy in the Mid East"...never mind, you haven't been convinced nor are you available to be convinced that the government in Israel isn't anything even remotely akin to "democracy". There's far more evidence pointing in the direction that something other than altruistic dreams are behind the unwavering support found for Israel in the "Land of the Free"....
Tell us Colpy, why do Americans dance to the Israeli tune?
What do you mean Israel is not a "democracy"? It is, in fact, a healthier democracy than our own, as the PM does not run a five year dictatorship......who is denied the vote?
Israel is a friend of the United States..........and yes, it is a democracy, and yes, it enjoys rule of law, and yes, it is a nation dedicated to the ideals of western civilization, and yes, Israel DESERVES our support....and because the USA is essentually a Christian nation.....with a respect for, and a debt owed to the Jewish people.
And, believe it or not, the United States supports Israel because IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
The same reason I support Israel.
Period.
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February 24th, 2008, 09:14 AM
Colpy
Ask a Palesinian how "democratic" Israel is.
How "democratic" can a nation be when the people decide what government they want and Israel under the protection of the U.S. witholds revenues normally given the governmental structure of the Palestinians?
What "debt" is "owed" that surpasses the "debt" owed by any nation to any other?
Sophistry Colpy.
Colpy
Ask a Palesinian how "democratic" Israel is.
How "democratic" can a nation be when the people decide what government they want and Israel under the protection of the U.S. witholds revenues normally given the governmental structure of the Palestinians?
What "debt" is "owed" that surpasses the "debt" owed by any nation to any other?
Sophistry Colpy.
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February 24th, 2008, 09:43 AM
I believe it would also be in Canada's interests to promote trade and friendship rather than war and sanctions. What gets achieved by alienating one nation over another? When telling someone to obey and threatening "or else" does anyone think they will truly listen to us or would want to comply? Why would Iran want to disarm its nuclear arsenal if it even has one? So foreign nations can threaten them and possibly attack them? But I guess the justification being these weapons could fall into the wrong hands. Perhaps if we weren't meddling into their affairs they wouldn't even be building these weapons or would want to aid them to new age privateers. What goes around usually comes around and America's position was mostly brought onto it by itself. The lesson here is to learn from these mistakes rather than keep repeating them.
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I think if the United States went back to its roots and ideals that made it a great nation that would do more for peace than anything. The United States wasn't founded to be an empire and many people never wanted to maintain one but instead wished to trade with all nations around the world and mostly defend its regional territory not international ones. Americans were fairly isolationist minded people for a while and had no intention of fighting everyone's wars or regional and ethnic conflicts. But slowly this changed and America has been driven into many of these wars they had thought to avoid in the past for very good reasons. Would the financial support given to Israel by the United States have made a difference in world peace if it had been given to an Islamic nation?
I believe it would also be in Canada's interests to promote trade and friendship rather than war and sanctions. What gets achieved by alienating one nation over another? When telling someone to obey and threatening "or else" does anyone think they will truly listen to us or would want to comply? Why would Iran want to disarm its nuclear arsenal if it even has one? So foreign nations can threaten them and possibly attack them? But I guess the justification being these weapons could fall into the wrong hands. Perhaps if we weren't meddling into their affairs they wouldn't even be building these weapons or would want to aid them to new age privateers. What goes around usually comes around and America's position was mostly brought onto it by itself. The lesson here is to learn from these mistakes rather than keep repeating them.
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February 24th, 2008, 10:44 AM
I read your link and see that this amount of 3 000 000 000 000 =3 trillion dollars was spent over a period of 30 years - 1973 to 2003. That would reduce it to an average of 100 000 000 000 = 100 billion/year. Please, check if I got that right!
Well, that is still an awful lot!
Hardly anybody is that selflessly generous these days. So, I too wonder what is in it for America?
One thing I can think of is having a faithful and trustworthy ally in a most volatile area which is highly desirable to the Americans.
Anybody else have an idea, suggestions?
Colpy,...
you say it is the right thing to do! Period!
I ask why not support the Palestinians who's land was taken, who live on the absolute margins of life, who are bombarded, bulldozed and harrassed in many other forms on a daily basis?
Why not support them as well?
Something is done deliberately and with a decided purpose. To find that purpose would help to understand a big chunk of American politics.
Quoting MikeyDB
Hi, Mikey; How much is America willing to spend?
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=831
For those who have any availability to examining the reality of the enormous imbalance both fiscally and philosophically that continued support for Israel by the United States represents…..
The question is why?
Is there any reason why the enormous wealth of the United States is and has been at the beck and call of the Israeli government for as long as it has while other states with oil and with far more democratically oriented governments fail to receive a similar favoritism?
Would the financial support given to Israel by the United States have made a difference in world peace if it had been given to an Islamic nation?
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=831
For those who have any availability to examining the reality of the enormous imbalance both fiscally and philosophically that continued support for Israel by the United States represents…..
The question is why?
Is there any reason why the enormous wealth of the United States is and has been at the beck and call of the Israeli government for as long as it has while other states with oil and with far more democratically oriented governments fail to receive a similar favoritism?
Would the financial support given to Israel by the United States have made a difference in world peace if it had been given to an Islamic nation?
I read your link and see that this amount of 3 000 000 000 000 =3 trillion dollars was spent over a period of 30 years - 1973 to 2003. That would reduce it to an average of 100 000 000 000 = 100 billion/year. Please, check if I got that right!
Well, that is still an awful lot!
Hardly anybody is that selflessly generous these days. So, I too wonder what is in it for America?
One thing I can think of is having a faithful and trustworthy ally in a most volatile area which is highly desirable to the Americans.
Anybody else have an idea, suggestions?
Colpy,...
you say it is the right thing to do! Period!
I ask why not support the Palestinians who's land was taken, who live on the absolute margins of life, who are bombarded, bulldozed and harrassed in many other forms on a daily basis?
Why not support them as well?
Something is done deliberately and with a decided purpose. To find that purpose would help to understand a big chunk of American politics.
