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Location: not in Kansas anymore
Location: not in Kansas anymore
July 24th, 2006, 05:16 PM
I'll let others cover the current crisis. The article you use as facts compare the AG prison crap,(naked piles of men etc.) as being on the same level as videotapes of beheadings!! Oh the shame of living life with blinders on. Praise god and pass the bullets.
I'll let others cover the current crisis. The article you use as facts compare the AG prison crap,(naked piles of men etc.) as being on the same level as videotapes of beheadings!! Oh the shame of living life with blinders on. Praise god and pass the bullets.
Clever Clogs
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Location: Pointy Rocks
Location: Pointy Rocks
July 24th, 2006, 05:28 PM
Posted: Jul 23rd, 2006 3:22 pm Post subject: Re: The shame of being american....
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iARTthere4iam wrote:
Why doesn't the Lebanese army control it's borders.
I don't know if this was rhetorical or not, but the Lebanese government/army doesn't control all its territory, simply because it is too weak to do so. It is unable to challenge Hezbollah in the south, even if it wanted to.
Yes, it was a rhetorical question illustrating the power vacuum in the region that allowed Hezbollah to set up shop.
Lebanon was once a jewel in the region. that all changed with the PLO setting up a state within a state with no regard for their sovereinty (this was after losing favour in jordan when they tried to assasinate the king) . Israel had to go in to stop the shelling of northern Israel. Hezbolla was formed to rid Lebanon of Israel. When Israel left, Hezbolla stayed and has caused the problem this time round.
Posted: Jul 23rd, 2006 3:22 pm Post subject: Re: The shame of being american....
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iARTthere4iam wrote:
Why doesn't the Lebanese army control it's borders.
I don't know if this was rhetorical or not, but the Lebanese government/army doesn't control all its territory, simply because it is too weak to do so. It is unable to challenge Hezbollah in the south, even if it wanted to.
Yes, it was a rhetorical question illustrating the power vacuum in the region that allowed Hezbollah to set up shop.
Lebanon was once a jewel in the region. that all changed with the PLO setting up a state within a state with no regard for their sovereinty (this was after losing favour in jordan when they tried to assasinate the king) . Israel had to go in to stop the shelling of northern Israel. Hezbolla was formed to rid Lebanon of Israel. When Israel left, Hezbolla stayed and has caused the problem this time round.
Newbie
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Location: calgary
Location: calgary
July 24th, 2006, 08:03 PM
Dexter Sinister:
Its actually israeli occupied territory ( Shebaa Farms ) and israel was frequently invading lebanese airspace.
And yea... i guess they dont target civillians.
The amount of mis-information and unsubstantiated facts in the media that people believe with out researching and looking at the facts is utterly unbelievable.
Dexter Sinister:
Its actually israeli occupied territory ( Shebaa Farms ) and israel was frequently invading lebanese airspace.
And yea... i guess they dont target civillians.
The amount of mis-information and unsubstantiated facts in the media that people believe with out researching and looking at the facts is utterly unbelievable.
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Location: Aotearoa
Location: Aotearoa
July 24th, 2006, 08:44 PM
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Do you mean that Israel is occupying Lebanese territory? I thought the region 'belonged' to Syria (not Lebanon) when it was captured in 1967?
Dexter Sinister:
Its actually israeli occupied territory ( Shebaa Farms ) and israel was frequently invading lebanese airspace.
Its actually israeli occupied territory ( Shebaa Farms ) and israel was frequently invading lebanese airspace.
Member
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Location: Aotearoa
Location: Aotearoa
July 24th, 2006, 09:52 PM
Interesting read. I guess it's one of those things that will always be fought over. However, the Wikipedia entry seems to say that the region did indeed belong to Syria at the time of the 1967 war (although the inhabitants may have felt differently). I liked the bit about the faked map. I wonder what caused the Syrians to change their minds?
Interesting read. I guess it's one of those things that will always be fought over. However, the Wikipedia entry seems to say that the region did indeed belong to Syria at the time of the 1967 war (although the inhabitants may have felt differently). I liked the bit about the faked map. I wonder what caused the Syrians to change their minds?
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Location: US
Location: US
August 23rd, 2006, 10:22 AM
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With all due respect, it's not as if Israel keeps its military bases as far from civilian towns as possible. Israeli military bases are often so near towns you can't tell what Hezbollah was actually aiming at. Hezbollah doesn't have US-supplied laser-guided missiles like Israel does.
Is this post for real?
Hezbollah hides and operates among civilians. Israel does its best to avoid and minimize any civilian deaths, but this unfortunate situation can be blamed squarely on Hezbollah. If they stopped using innocent people as cover, this sort of thing wouldn't happen.
And if the US didn't supply Israel with weapons to defend itself, Israel would have been blown off the map years ago. Funny how people who are all up in arms about "crimes against humanity" apparently don't think obliterating a country and its people would be a big deal...
Hezbollah hides and operates among civilians. Israel does its best to avoid and minimize any civilian deaths, but this unfortunate situation can be blamed squarely on Hezbollah. If they stopped using innocent people as cover, this sort of thing wouldn't happen.
And if the US didn't supply Israel with weapons to defend itself, Israel would have been blown off the map years ago. Funny how people who are all up in arms about "crimes against humanity" apparently don't think obliterating a country and its people would be a big deal...
Liquer'd Up & Lash'n Out!
Posts: 186
Location: Pennsylvania
Location: Pennsylvania
August 31st, 2006, 12:46 PM
People have this irrational notion of war. War is a brutal animal. Where the idea came that only a selected few can be picked off, I have no idea. The rules have change. We nolonger setup like a chess board and simply have at it. The main problem is the inter-woven enemy. I am not saying anyone is correct. We all know what war is, death on a platter. Served cold to those who appose it, and served red hot to those involved, including civilians. This is an unfortunate thing. The soldiers know when they enlist they may have to go fight, not for right or wrong but at the behest of their government, whomever is calling the shots. It a shame for anyone to go and fight being oblivious to the true cause.
Ashamed of being an American, never. Ashamed of some of the BS we pull, certainly.
Thank you,
People have this irrational notion of war. War is a brutal animal. Where the idea came that only a selected few can be picked off, I have no idea. The rules have change. We nolonger setup like a chess board and simply have at it. The main problem is the inter-woven enemy. I am not saying anyone is correct. We all know what war is, death on a platter. Served cold to those who appose it, and served red hot to those involved, including civilians. This is an unfortunate thing. The soldiers know when they enlist they may have to go fight, not for right or wrong but at the behest of their government, whomever is calling the shots. It a shame for anyone to go and fight being oblivious to the true cause.
Ashamed of being an American, never. Ashamed of some of the BS we pull, certainly.
Thank you,
