Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer
ISIS would have never existed if we just left Saddam in charge.. he had a good handle of the fanatics in his country.
Same with Bashar al-Assad, who will fill the vacuum?
It will be left in turmoil. Never to be resurrected is how the prophecy goes. Not even animals will be able to live there.
The burden of Damascus.
Damascus is taken away from being a city,
and it shall be a ruinous heap.
The cities of Aroer are forsaken:
they shall be for flocks,
which shall lie down,
and none shall make them afraid.
Iran escaped in 1979 or ISIS would have come from there. Afghanistan was the birthplace of ISIS. First move was to assassinate the leader of the Northern Alliance and then the hardliners that were just about beaten were supported with money and weapons so they could regain the areas that the same Muslims had taken over in their move to adopt the UN Human right documents.That included acid that was reserved for the women who has taken up posts in the political and business sectors.
How Jimmy Carter and I Started the Mujahideen (external - login to view)
Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs [“From the Shadows”], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?
Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.
Let a generation pass and these would be the 'parents' of ISIS in terms of when they were created.
www.globalresearch.ca/articles/WOL309A.html (external - login to view)
The Assassination of Ahmad Shah Massoud
On September 9, 2001, two days before the cataclysmic attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, Ahmad Shah Massoud, commander of the United Front guerrilla opposition to Afghanistan's Taliban regime, was assassinated in the Afghan town of Khvajeh Baha od Din by two Arab men posing as journalists. Both of the assassins died -- one in the attack itself, blown up with his own bomb along with Massood, and the other, it seems, was shot while trying to escape shortly afterwards.(1)
Journalists commonly attribute the murder either to al Qaeda or to the Taliban. (2) That seems logical enough. Massoud's United Front was fighting a war against the Taliban at the time. The Taliban were in turn protecting al Qaeda, an organization blamed for a number of sophisticated terrorist attacks, including those on 9/11. Simple as these explanations may be, Massoud's murder has never been solved. The details of the assassination, which included an explosive charge disguised as a battery pack for a video camera, the acquisition of stolen passports, and the death of both assassins, at different times and by different means -- suggest a sophisticated conspiracy. Dead men tell no tales, and in this case, neither have the living. The Taliban, for their part, have denied any involvement in Massoud's death.
Last March, a Belgian court indicted thirteen suspects on charges related to the murder, including the theft and sale of fraudulent passports found on the bodies of the assassins, allegedly linking them, and the assassination generally, to al Qaeda. (3) Yet nothing further has been reported since March, and the news media of the world seem to have forgotten about it.
But Massoud's assassination is important for several reasons. First of all, Ahmad Shah Massoud has become the national hero of Afghanistan. There are pictures of him everywhere in Kabul and Herat where I visited, at least -- on streetcorners, government buildings, and the dashboards of cars. The second anniversay of Massoud's death was celebrated last week in the national stadium, in a ceremony attended by practically every senior member of the government. (4) Massoud has become an abstract symbol of the defeat of the Taliban, the defeat of the Soviet Union, and of the Afghan "resistance" generally. The French have even commissioned a series of Ahmad Shah Massoud postage stamps. Just before his death, Massoud had made a whirlwind tour of Europe, including Paris, to drum up support for his anti-Taliban campaign.
Notably, the US kept Massoud and his resistance at arm's length, perhaps because they were receiving weapons from Iran, with logistical aid from Russia and the Central Asian republics. According to a Human Rights Watch report on the regional weapons trade, one Iranian shipment seized in Kyrgyzstan in 1998 contained ammunition for T-55 and T-62 tanks, antitank mines, 122mm towed howitzers and ammunition, 122mm rockets for Grad multiple launch systems, 120mm mortar shells, RPG-7 rocket-propelled grenades, hand grenades and small arms ammunition. (5) Although of Russian design, the Human Rights Watch investigators were unable to determine whether the arms and ammunition were manufactured in Russia or somewhere else.
At the time, the Taliban were being supported by Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence service (ISI), an instrument of American influence since the campaign against the Soviets in the 1980s. The ISI has often been described as a free-wheeling, rogue agency, yet it has maintained a close relationship with American intelligence and Pakistan has remained a close American ally -- before, during and after President Musharraf's military coup.
Although Massoud had cast his lot with Russia and Iran, he was no stranger to the US State Department. According to United Front veterans I interviewed, (6) Massoud met on several occasions with Robin Rafael, the American Deputy Foreign Minister for the East, between 1996 and 1998. Apparently, Commander Massoud was extremely angry after his final meeting with Rafael, who'd suggested in the meeting that his best option might be to surrender to the Taliban. At the time, Massoud's forces had retreated into the rugged Panjshir valley, and the Taliban controlled some 95% of Afghanistan. According to the story, Massoud threw his pakul -- a distinctive Afghan hat -- onto the table and pointed at it, announcing that as long as he controlled a territory that big, he would never surrender. Considered arrogant by his enemies, supporters describe Massoud as an independent Afghan nationalist incapable of taking orders from foreigners. Massoud would never have allowed foreign bases on Afghan soil, according them.
The hardliners became the overlords and owners of the poppy fields.
Quote: Originally Posted by DurryUnder orders from the US. That is why the manifesto that listed all of Iraq's weapons was hijacked by the US before it went to the UN. When it did get there many, many pages had vanished. Nerve agents were shipped there from the UK, France, Germany and the US
Saddam was gassing his own people and was retiring, his murderous sons were to be worst than saddam ever was.