Trump can start a nuclear war any time he wants


B00Mer
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Trump can start a nuclear war any time he wants



When Harry S. Truman became president in April 1945, military advisors briefed him on the coming advent of the atomic bomb.

In July, shortly after the first successful nuclear test blast, Truman wrote in his personal diary that Japanese "soldiers and sailors" would be the future targets, "not women and children."

This may be why he initially hailed the August bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki — targets chosen by and attacked on authority of the US military — as great successes.

"Nobody ever goes to Truman and says, 'should we do this?' They go to him and they say, 'we are doing this,'" Alex Wellerstein, an author and nuclear history expert, said in a new episode of Radiolab released Friday, titled "Nukes".

But Truman quickly learned they were cities packed with women and children, then asked his generals to halt a third atomic strike in the works.

"He has immediately written back to them, and says, 'Just stop, knock it off. You are not going to drop another bomb without expressed permission of the president of the United Sates,'" Wellerstein said.

The Radiolab episode explores the question of who or what — if anyone or anything — can stop a US president today from launching a nuclear weapon. It turns out Truman's push for presidential (and civilian) control over nuclear weapons stuck, but with a very big catch.

"The system is set up so that only the president has the authority to order a nuclear war. Nobody has the right to countermand that decision," William J. Perry, the 19th Secretary of State who served under former President Bill Clinton, from 1994 to 1997, told Radiolab.

"He might choose to call the Secretary of Defense or the Secretary of State, or the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, to get his advisors' counsel," Perry added. "But even if he does that, he may or may not accept that counsel."

Permission to nuke not required



The single-handed authority of the US president to use his "nuclear football" has been public knowledge for decades.

But current world affairs are refocusing attention on the policy.

President Donald Trump has spoken about expanding the US nuclear arsenal and, in regard to Russia's weapons program developments, has said "let it be an arms race." He's also inherited a $1 trillion program to modernize US nukes as North Korea expands tests of systems that could carry and detonate nuclear weapons. And on April 6, Trump ordered a retaliatory strike against Bashar Assad's regime in Syria — a close ally with Russia, which is a nuclear superpower.

A global nuclear exchange could annihilate hundreds of millions of lives and sour Earth's atmosphere, water, and ground for generations.

Robert Krulwich, one of Radiolab's hosts, asked Perry further about the checks and balances of the president' first-strike capability. Their conversation was revealing:

Krulwich: "If you as Secretary of Defense say to the president — he says, 'let's go,' and you say, 'let's not,' can you…"
Perry: "First of all, if he calls me, and then if I say, 'Mr. President, that would be a very serious mistake, don't do that,' he might or might not accept my advice."
Krulwich: "Are you necessary to launch?"
Perry: "No."
Krulwich: "Suppose everybody in the room thought it was a bad idea. Would he still be able to do it?"
Perry: "Yes. He has the call directly to the Strategic Air Command to do the launching, and they will respond to his orders. They don't call the Secretary of Defense or the Chairman [of the Joint Chiefs of Staff] and say, 'should I do this?' They do it."

You can listen to Radiolab's full 56-minute episode below:

www.radiolab.org/story/nukes/ (external - login to view)

The audio highlights protest legislation introduced by Rep. Ted W. Lieu and Sen. Edward J. Markey (both Democrats) to curb the president's nuclear-strike powers. The bills, drafted before Trump became president, "would prohibit the President from launching a nuclear first strike without a declaration of war by Congress," according to a January 2017 press release.

But the episode mainly focuses on the story of Maj. Harold L. Hering.

Hering aged out of flying helicopters during the Vietnam War and decided to take a job as a missilier: one of many pairs of people in bunkers across the US that can launch intercontinental ballistic missiles tipped with nuclear warheads.

During his missilier training, Hering asked who or what is checking or balancing the president, who may be mentally or morally unfit to make the call — and the rest of the tale is fascinating history.

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taxslave
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According to some of my US friends it is not that simple. The Prez may order it but there are several people in the chain of command that have to do certain things to make it happen. Anyone of them refusing would cancel the order at least temporarily
 
MHz
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Starting one is not the same as winning one. Russia doesn't need a rowboat to nuke the US to dust.

Russian Newest Secret Weapon ''STATUS-6''-Pentagon has scared in Earnest!

Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

According to some of my US friends it is not that simple. The Prez may order it but there are several people in the chain of command that have to do certain things to make it happen. Anyone of them refusing would cancel the order at least temporarily

That doesn't make them any smarter than you are on your best day.
 
DaSleeper
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Murphy
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Hard to believe it was 49 years ago when this was big. The song I mean, not the um, other guy. Complete with pix of downtown Damascus.

 
pgs
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Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

April 11th already and we are still barely standing .
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

According to some of my US friends it is not that simple. The Prez may order it but there are several people in the chain of command that have to do certain things to make it happen. Anyone of them refusing would cancel the order at least temporarily


I kind of thought Boomer would already fully understand that...................................there's a bit more to it than a button on his arm chair!
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

I kind of thought Boomer would already fully understand that...................................there's a bit more to it than a button on his arm chair!

Yup, it more like a lot of screws loose in the belfries of the whole lot of them.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by b00merView Post

trump can start a nuclear war any time he wants



when harry s. Truman became president in april 1945, military advisors briefed him on the coming advent of the atomic bomb.


source (external - login to view)


the sky is falling, the sky is falling!
 
MHz
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Quote: Originally Posted by MurphyView Post

Hard to believe it was 49 years ago when this was big. The song I mean, not the um, other guy. Complete with pix of downtown Damascus.

Really?? Perhaps you should read the book version to see how that goes down.

Jer:25:27-29:
Therefore thou shalt say unto them,
Thus saith the LORD of hosts,
the God of Israel;
Drink ye,
and be drunken,
and spue,
and fall,
and rise no more,
because of the sword which I will send among you.
And it shall be,
if they refuse to take the cup at thine hand to drink,
then shalt thou say unto them,
Thus saith the LORD of hosts;
Ye shall certainly drink.
For,
lo,
I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name,
and should ye be utterly unpunished?
Ye shall not be unpunished:
for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth,

saith the LORD of hosts.
 
Johnnny
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American Jesus

Trump can do wrong

 
B00Mer
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

the sky is falling, the sky is falling!

...and then it actually does. LOL



Guess where those ICBMs fly over before they get to the USA.. and the USA send intercepting rockets to destroy them..
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00MerView Post

...and then it actually does. LOL



Guess where those ICBMs fly over before they get to the USA.. and the USA send intercepting rockets to destroy them..

Freedom isn't free, Boom. Sometimes Canada has to pay.
 
B00Mer
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

Freedom isn't free, Boom. Sometimes Canada has to pay.

We should never have gotten rid of our nukes.

"...between 1963 to 1984, Canada fielded a total of four tactical nuclear weapons systems which deployed several hundred nuclear warheads."

We also had the Avro, the fastest plane in the world at one time.

Then we got smart and let the USA pay to protect us.. LOL
 
MHz
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None of the paths show go anyplace near Canada. Putin would remove NATO from the EU first. Best estimates is it would take just one afternoon.

We don't need nukes, Russia has enough tundra already.

Time to let the f*cktard nations take care of the mess they create on their own.
 
lone wolf
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

Freedom isn't free, Boom. Sometimes Canada has to pay.

...especially if Uncle Sam is involved
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

...especially if Uncle Sam is involved

You bet. Actually, I'm mocking Boom for his "FREEDOM ISN'T FREE" chest-thumping BS in the Vimy Ridge thread.
 
B00Mer
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

You bet. Actually, I'm mocking Boom for his "FREEDOM ISN'T FREE" chest-thumping BS in the Vimy Ridge thread.


...and don't ya forget it..


 
MHz
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Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

...especially if Uncle Sam is involved

Uncle Sam is a slave to the Banksters. Seriously you guys fit this song title to a 'T'.


Quote: Originally Posted by B00MerView Post

...and don't ya forget it..


Let me guess, it wasn't written by an Indian.
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
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Hertz, is it true you're a Bilderburger?

Build 'er one with cheese
 
MHz
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Trump should be careful or the DC swamp he is relaxing in will end up looking like this.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

...especially if Uncle Sam is involved

You betcha. Nothing like picking on the Great White North for fun & profit.
 
MHz
+1
#23
News flash: Canada is more than the land that is within 500 miles of the US border.
 
lone wolf
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#24
News flash: Who in Hell are you arguing with?
 
WLDB
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He can. So can half a dozen other heads of state. I doubt he will for the same reason no one else ever has - mutually assured destruction is still a thing. He's pretty erratic and hard to predict but I suspect he wants to live. Most people do.
 
Corduroy
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A night janitor at Mar-a-Lago could start a nuclear war too. Finds the old nuclear football lost behind a fern and says to his co-worker, hey let's toss around the old pigskin. Next thing you know, they've raided the wine cellar and are doing doughnuts around the 8th hole green in golf carts, hurling the nuclear football back and forth.
 
B00Mer
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JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

You bet. Actually, I'm mocking Boom for his "FREEDOM ISN'T FREE" chest-thumping BS in the Vimy Ridge thread.


Anyone born after 1910 probably doesn't know f**K all about Vimy Ridge!
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#29
One thing for sure, if there is any nuclear weapon used anywhere .. just one, even ... we won't be talking about it on here because the Internet will be down for quite a period due to hack attacks, security considerations or those two and more. We won't be yackity-yacking about it. I expect that the various security forces of every country will be going over social media traffic with a fine tooth comb looking for people to round up and intern.
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
#30
they'll take the workers first...^


Not to worry
one third of the raytheon missiles DIDN"T EXPLODE
hahah
chinese crap!!!!
 

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