The First 100 Days in Trump Land


Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#31
Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

He's qyite the Executive Order Warrior.

Exactly. That is the way he can push his agenda through without discussion or debate. there goes the democratic process......or what was the pretense of one.
 
Kreskin
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#32
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

Exactly. That is the way he can push his agenda through without discussion or debate. there goes the democratic process......or what was the pretense of one.

Sooner or later thete will be real debate. And it will be interesting to see what GOP members to to say.
 
davesmom
#33
It has only been a week. I think everything will cool down after a while. People are just still stunned by Trump's win.
Government has been operating in the same way for decades. The changes that Trump is working are what won him the election.
A Congressman nailed it today on CNN. He said people are so astonished that a President is actually doing what he said he would do, they just can't believe it and it scares them.
The world was heading for a big fall with their trade deals, massive debts, globalization robbing them of their national identities, foreign meddling from one country to another, divided societies.. Maybe a period of stepping back is what the world needs.
After time to adjust has passed all the controversies will calm down and America will be just fine.
 
Cannuck
No Party Affiliation
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#34
Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

Sooner or later thete will be real debate. And it will be interesting to see what GOP members to to say.

Most, if not all EOs will be challenged in court and I suspect most will be overturned. If you think Trumpites are sniffily now...
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
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#35
Quote: Originally Posted by davesmomView Post

It has only been a week. I think everything will cool down after a while. People are just still stunned by Trump's win.
Government has been operating in the same way for decades. The changes that Trump is working are what won him the election.
A Congressman nailed it today on CNN. He said people are so astonished that a President is actually doing what he said he would do, they just can't believe it and it scares them.
The world was heading for a big fall with their trade deals, massive debts, globalization robbing them of their national identities, foreign meddling from one country to another, divided societies.. Maybe a period of stepping back is what the world needs.
After time to adjust has passed all the controversies will calm down and America will be just fine.

Like Trudeau, who was elected because most voters were sick and tired of the dictatorial attitudes of Harpo, Most people who voted for the Dumpster voted against Hillary. People are waking up from the stupor of the election to find that they get royally screwed (which is generally what happens when you vote against someone instead of for someone). I doubt very much that anything will settle down and we can expect massive resistance to this malignant narcissist and his gang of backwards thinking (I use that word cautiously) bone heads.
 
gopher
No Party Affiliation
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#36
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

From the Pope's perspective..
Where Pope Francis Sees Hitler Rising Today - The Daily Beast

A rater interesting and rocky start with a record number of Exec orders to start his promises on the road to being achieved.

The latest being the construction of that wall. That is a throwback to misdeal times.

Just like Hither era of Hitler...... it takes one sociopaths self centered person to change the whole texture and essence of a nation. Good bye to America as we knew it.
...


How often is the regime going to use "communication lock down" as a tactic for controlling information that opposes Donald's BELIEFS

It is not even a week..and red flags are popping up .as they should.

He does not seem interested in learning that FACTS and WORDS matter. and has no problem with "alternate facts"











Even the American CONSERVATIVE has plenty of misgivings about Dump:




Trump’s Inaugural Address | The American Conservative (external - login to view)



Trump’s inaugural address contained a lot of populist boilerplate and committed to achieving a lot of overly ambitious or impossible goals. One of the more unrealistic pledges he made concerned combating jihadists:

We will reinforce old alliances and form new ones – and unite the civilized world against Radical Islamic Terrorism, which we will eradicate completely from the face of the Earth.

First, that isn’t going to happen. We have seen that the U.S. doesn’t know how to do this, and it is better at destabilizing countries and creating opportunities for jihadist groups to flourish. It’s not even clear why it should be the responsibility of the U.S. to take on such a mission if it were possible. Trump emphasized that “America first” would be the guiding principle of his administration, but at the same time he committed to some version of Flynn’s multi-generational global war that would condemn Americans to fighting foreign wars for decades to come. One can have a foreign policy that prioritizes American interests, or one can have a global mission to eradicate an ineradicable phenomenon, but in order to have the latter the former will have to be cast aside. The endless, global war implied by this statement has nothing to do with benefiting “American workers and American families,” and it dooms the U.S. to deeper entanglement in precisely those parts of the world that we don’t understand and where our involvement earns us nothing but hostility.

Many lines in Trump’s address were unobjectionable by themselves, but it was hard to take Trump seriously when he said them. For instance, he said, “We will seek friendship and goodwill with the nations of the world.” That sounds very good, but it’s incompatible with an administration overflowing with hard-liners that seem to be looking for reasons to pick fights with other countries. Likewise, his populist rhetoric doesn’t square with the people he has selected for his Cabinet or the policies they favor. Some of his more grandiose statements of national purpose read almost like a parody of an activist government championed by so-called “national greatness conservatives” at the start of the century:

We stand at the birth of a new millennium, ready to unlock the mysteries of space, to free the Earth from the miseries of disease, and to harness the energies, industries and technologies of tomorrow.

In addition to the many unrealistic or exorbitant promises contained in the speech, Trump presented everything in very broad strokes and gave us no sense of what he considers to be his priorities at the start of his presidency. If Trump and his advisers know what they are, they don’t seem to be interested in telling us about them.
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#37
Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

Sooner or later thete will be real debate. And it will be interesting to see what GOP members to to say.

indeed. Will be interesting to see if it will be a debate or a "debate"?
. and whether they will be able to stand up to the emperor...or simply comply to his doctrine. IF they do stand up to him....how long will they have their job??
The GOP controls everything now..so unless there is some serous infighting... but your are right.will be interesting.

I think he is railroading al this through for a reason;..... and the reason might not comply with the constitution. Suspect that he is bulldozing his way through all these items so quickly might have something to do with his perceived approval ratings. .emphasis on the "ratings". he is big on ratings and numbers that flattering they are in favor of him..he can then boast about them. If NOT.he will chastise them and call them fake. Sheer lunacy.

(mind you.word is that some in the GOP are quietly questioning his sanity and fitness for the job )


The fitness for the job (mental and physical) should have been evaluated when he decided to run. Having money is the only litmus test for running for running for POTUSUS
 
Remington1
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#38
The US election was not your traditional Dem nor a Rep win, it was a 'middle class' win from both parties. They're the regular people going to work everyday, passing by old abandoned factories, rusting warehouses, inner cities, crime, gangs, drugs, young people standing at street corners at all hours of the day, money being wasted, even their sense of security was taken away. I'm sure many did not like Trump, but just the fact that he spoke crazy and was the furthest political thing they'd ever seen, made them stop and second guess their vote.
 
davesmom
#39
Why is everybody bashing Trump's Executive Orders? You'd think he was the only President ever to do that!
Google the number of Executive Orders signed by Presidents back through the years and you'll find he's no more of a 'signer' than any other President.
All of the attacks on Trump are premature. When Congress gets down to business and some time passes, then will be the time to make judgments. People are so far protesting things that haven't happened yet. That's like convicting a man of guilt before guilt is proven.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
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#40
Quote: Originally Posted by davesmomView Post

Why is everybody bashing Trump's Executive Orders? You'd think he was the only President ever to do that!
Google the number of Executive Orders signed by Presidents back through the years and you'll find he's no more of a 'signer' than any other President.
All of the attacks on Trump are premature. When Congress gets down to business and some time passes, then will be the time to make judgments. People are so far protesting things that haven't happened yet. That's like convicting a man of guilt before guilt is proven.

Did any of them single out specific ethnic groups for exclusion and possibly for arrest? The Third Reich did that but no President in my memory ever did anything remotely like that.
 
davesmom
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#41
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious CdnView Post

Did any of them single out specific ethnic groups for exclusion and possibly for arrest? The Third Reich did that but no President in my memory ever did anything remotely like that.



Iranians have been banned. Haitians have been banned. I don't know if it was by executive order or not but banning is banning.
It's a TEMPORARY ban, FGS! Deal with it.
 
DaSleeper
#42
It's all that salt.....Progressives seem to be suffering with hypertension ...don't you know....
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#43
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

It's all that salt.....Progressives seem to be suffering with hypertension ...don't you know....

Well, if we all dumbed down like you, everything would come up roses.
 
damngrumpy
No Party Affiliation
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#44
He is behaving like the Emperor and most people don't even see
the danger this crowd is to democracy itself. I think he about to
receive a rude awakening. See despite the closet fascist regime
in power the American People have risen before when the have
had enough. Already the defense of democracy has begun with
people taking to the streets. Is Donald really a fascist? I don't
know for use he's behaving like one, but then again it might be his
advanced insanity. The Republicans are going to face obliteration
if they don't step in and pull this idiot back into some semblance of
sanity.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
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#45
Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

He is behaving like the Emperor and most people don't even see
the danger this crowd is to democracy itself. I think he about to
receive a rude awakening. See despite the closet fascist regime
in power the American People have risen before when the have
had enough. Already the defense of democracy has begun with
people taking to the streets. Is Donald really a fascist? I don't
know for use he's behaving like one, but then again it might be his
advanced insanity. The Republicans are going to face obliteration
if they don't step in and pull this idiot back into some semblance of
sanity.

Let's hope that the United States of America still works and that you're right.
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#46
 
Murphy
Conservative
#47
I posted this in another thread because most people do not understand what an executive order is. Trump is not the first president to use this instruction, nor is it directing any government department to break the law, or do anything that has not already been acted upon by Congress.

Part two explains what an executive order actually is. Most of the panic artists do not understand what it is that they are railing against. Knowledge is power. I suggest reading the article to the end.

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"Basically, an executive order is an official statement from the president about how the federal agencies he oversees are to use their resources.

It falls under the broader umbrella of “executive actions,” which derive their power from Article II of the Constitution, and it is the most formal executive action. Executive actions also include presidential memorandums (which are a step below executive orders and basically outline the administration's position on a policy issue), proclamations and directives.

An executive order is not the president creating new law or appropriating new money from the U.S. Treasury — both things that are the domain of Congress; it is the president instructing the government how it is to work within the parameters that are already set by Congress and the Constitution
."

(the underlining is mine - murphy)

The rest is here.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...umps-stack-up/ (external - login to view)
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
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#48
A Clarifying Moment in American History

There should be nothing surprising about what Donald Trump has done in his first week—but he has underestimated the resilience of Americans and their institutions.




Precisely because the problem is one of temperament and character (external - login to view), it will not get better. It will get worse, as power intoxicates Trump and those around him. It will probably end in calamity—substantial domestic protest and violence, a breakdown of international economic relationships, the collapse of major alliances, or perhaps one or more new wars (even with China) on top of the ones we already have. It will not be surprising in the slightest if his term ends not in four or in eight years, but sooner, with impeachment or removal under the 25th Amendment. The sooner Americans get used to these likelihoods, the better.The question is, what should Americans do about it? To friends still thinking of serving as political appointees in this administration, beware: When you sell your soul to the Devil, he prefers to collect his purchase on the installment plan. Trump’s disregard for either Secretary of Defense Mattis or Secretary-designate Tillerson in his disastrous policy salvos this week, in favor of his White House advisers, tells you all you need to know about who is really in charge. To be associated with these people is going to be, for all but the strongest characters, an exercise in moral self-destruction.


www.theatlantic.com/politics/...istory/514868/ (external - login to view)
 
Murphy
Conservative
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#49
What you have quoted might come true, but it is an editorial piece. It is an opinion. What I posted is US federal or constitutional law.

There is an important difference.
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#50
Judge Blocks Part of Trump (external - login to view)
via=newsletter&source=DDAfternoon

trmp's own lawyers baffled by travel ban.


Let the in-fighting begin

The way this was handled suggests more of an authoritarian style of decision making .with-little care for the consequences and doing the important what if scenarios

Trump (external - login to view)

Trumps first constitutional crisis.

Tat didn't take long. He might just rewrite the whole constitution to fit HIS ideology.

Trump is ceiling the travel ban a massive success story. What planet does this bloke live one. He is so out of torch with reality it is scary.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#51
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

Judge Blocks Part of Trump (external - login to view)
via=newsletter&source=DDAfternoon

trmp's own lawyers baffled by travel ban.


Let the in-fighting begin

The way this was handled suggests more of an authoritarian style of decision making .with-little care for the consequences and doing the important what if scenarios

Trump (external - login to view)

Trumps first constitutional crisis.

Tat didn't take long. He might just rewrite the whole constitution to fit HIS ideology.

Trump is ceiling the travel ban a massive success story. What planet does this bloke live one. He is so out of torch with reality it is scary.


When a President issues an Executive Order, how many of the fine details of execution does he get involved with? Is there a possibility that it's just aides that do the fine tuning? Does he actually sign off on the finished product? I'm no bureaucrap, so probably appear to be ignorant.
 
MHz
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#52
I hear there is no cure for Trumpaholics, once you catch it and that is a free choice kind of thing so you don't want to lose that ability. If opposition to change can be rated by the amount of opposition (and from where and funded by whom) that exists. When it is well organized the odds increase that deception becomes part of the package.
 
Murphy
Conservative
#53
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

When a President issues an Executive Order, how many of the fine details of execution does he get involved with? Is there a possibility that it's just aides that do the fine tuning? Does he actually sign off on the finished product? I'm no bureaucrap, so probably appear to be ignorant.

I cannot answer the first part of your question, but the president does sign the finished product.

I think it's reasonable to assume that some or most of the details are checked by staff. Trump is not a lawyer , and an EO is a legal document.
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
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#54
Hollywood goes political

SAG Awards 2017: Stars Speak Out Against Trump's Immigration Ban (external - login to view)

it is truly astonishing to see how much damage one person can do in just over a week.

He continues to behave like the spoilt stubborn 5 yrs old mindset he adheres to...and continues to mock others who express emotional dissdain for his radical policise.

Makes one wonder what it was like when Hitler first took office.... Did they go through the same kind of process until the damage done was so atrocious that barbarism was more humane.

He is using the Quebec shooting as a justification for his actions..even though all the facts are not out yet. Of course facts and reality are starnangers tothe bloke.

America is no a p place of the free and brave. It is not brave t o isolate yourself with over protectionism. It also restricts the so called freedoms

His followers are so far gone they can't see the trees for the forest. They have been conned by a professional conman.

Inover a week. this conman has upset most of the planet. If he keeps this up.he will be the one fostering terrorism with his radical policies. One cannot foster anger and pretend you did not contribute to the consequences. very short sighted and one dimensional.(or mentally irrational)

Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

I hear there is no cure for Trumpaholics, once you catch it and that is a free choice kind of thing so you don't want to lose that ability. If opposition to change can be rated by the amount of opposition (and from where and funded by whom) that exists. When it is well organized the odds increase that deception becomes part of the package.

excellent: love the analogy. (so fitting)
 
Cannuck
No Party Affiliation
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#55
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

It's all that salt.....Progressives seem to be suffering with hypertension ...don't you know....

Poor Das. It must be tough for you to drag your sorry a$$ out of bed every morning knowing that 75% of the population is progressives.

He's a little hint for you...they aren't. You're a moron
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
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#56
Wonder ho w long using Chaos Theory as a leadership premise can "work" before going int full self destruction mode. Do the hard core Trump supporters not see that the principle character in Washington is truly unhinged ........and has no clue as to what he is dong. Seems that photo ops offending/insulting others ,being antagonistic and provocative and doing Exec orders for the camera (and doing crass , unintelligible twttering are his " fine" points. One is inclined to think that he operates from a level of a juvenile and his verb age reflective of-same.

No one ever said that the US is a sophisticated place. But this is a whole knew level

OTOH.....perhaps this time the US is represented by exactly what it is....

If these first two weeks are a sample of what is to come... and there is no reason to think otherwise......it is likely downhill from here..UNLESS the lunatic ia reigned in by those with a modicum of reason in their sensibilities. And this erratic sod is leader of the free world. Go figure.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#57
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

Wonder ho w long using Chaos Theory as a leadership premise can "work" before going int full self destruction mode. Do the hard core Trump supporters not see that the principle character in Washington is truly unhinged ........and has no clue as to what he is dong. Seems that photo ops offending/insulting others ,being antagonistic and provocative and doing Exec orders for the camera (and doing crass , unintelligible twttering are his " fine" points. One is inclined to think that he operates from a level of a juvenile and his verb age reflective of-same.

No one ever said that the US is a sophisticated place. But this is a whole knew level

OTOH.....perhaps this time the US is represented by exactly what it is....

If these first two weeks are a sample of what is to come... and there is no reason to think otherwise......it is likely downhill from here..UNLESS the lunatic ia reigned in by those with a modicum of reason in their sensibilities. And this erratic sod is leader of the free world. Go figure.

Hey, look at what Caligula acheived?
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#58
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

Wonder ho w long using Chaos Theory as a leadership premise can "work" before going int full self destruction mode. Do the hard core Trump supporters not see that the principle character in Washington is truly unhinged ........and has no clue as to what he is dong. Seems that photo ops offending/insulting others ,being antagonistic and provocative and doing Exec orders for the camera (and doing crass , unintelligible twttering are his " fine" points. One is inclined to think that he operates from a level of a juvenile and his verb age reflective of-same.

No one ever said that the US is a sophisticated place. But this is a whole knew level

OTOH.....perhaps this time the US is represented by exactly what it is....

If these first two weeks are a sample of what is to come... and there is no reason to think otherwise......it is likely downhill from here..UNLESS the lunatic ia reigned in by those with a modicum of reason in their sensibilities. And this erratic sod is leader of the free world. Go figure.

It appears there are a lot of people that do not quite see the end of the world as we know it , as you do .
But that is okay , your use of language is exemplary .
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
+1
#59
Quote: Originally Posted by pgsView Post

It appears there are a lot of people that do not quite see the end of the world as we know it , as you do.

There are a whole lot who do. Maybe the know-it-all Trumpites are deluded zombies who are missing big, important, details.
 
Twila
#60
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious CdnView Post

Hey, look at what Caligula acheived?

what?
 
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