Rick Snyder apologizes for the Flint drinking water crisis


Danbones
Free Thinker
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#31
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Crotchety old farts are always trying to stifle other people's opinions.

you have every right to an intelligent opinion cannuck
trouble is: you just don't have the means to make your own
lol
but while you are here, you can read all the intelligent opinions you want

carbon is for kids
you need at least reverse osmosis or modern ceramic or you might as well just get your lead poisoning from a pipe measured in calibre
 
Cannuck
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#32
Quote: Originally Posted by DanbonesView Post

you have every right to an intelligent opinion cannuck
trouble is: you just don't have the means to make your own
lol
but while you are here, you can read all the intelligent opinions you want

carbon is for kids
you need at least reverse osmosis or modern ceramic or you might as well just get your lead poisoning from a pipe measured in calibre

Thanks for the input sparky but we we talking about chlorine not lead. Most people can understand the two aren't the same mostly because they are spelled differently.

At least you're trying to keep up with the conversation. I suspect that is the best anyone can hope for.
 
taxslave
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#33
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Hehehehe

As somebody with 32 years experience in water treatment including everything from type-I water systems to bottled water plants to municipal systems to wastewater systems I love to take the time to educate you but clearly that's not an option. You can't teach those unwilling to learn.

Walkerton? Prime example of the results of trusting government employees with your health.

Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Chlorine

Another poison.
 
Cannuck
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#34
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

Walkerton? Prime example of the results of trusting government employees with your health.

How many people in North America drink from municipal water sources?

You're like one of those nattering ninnies that think you can't let your children out of your sight because of the ridiculously small chance that they be abducted.

I could talk about the 4000 people made ill in Spain from bottled water and suggest that bottled water is dangerous. That would be as silly as suggesting municipal water is unsafe because of statistical anomalies...or amusement park rides or flying in a plane.

I feel sorry for people like you that are afraid of everything because you have no concept of risk.

Quote:

Another poison.

So is water. Just about anything is a poison in proper quantities. Your lack of scientific understanding is funny.
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
#35
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Thanks for the input sparky but we we talking about chlorine not lead. Most people can understand the two aren't the same mostly because they are spelled differently.

At least you're trying to keep up with the conversation. I suspect that is the best anyone can hope for.

no, you are talking clorine
possibly its the lead in your drinkin water

...we are talking adult
 
Cannuck
No Party Affiliation
#36
Quote: Originally Posted by DanbonesView Post

no, you are talking clorine

Quote: Originally Posted by LudlowView Post

You can taste the nastiness when you drink tap water. Hell man it smells like bleach.

I know it's difficult but try and keep up
 
Cannuck
No Party Affiliation
#37
So for the rest of you that understand basic science, here's a little crash course in some basic water chemistry.

langelier saturation index (external - login to view)

L.S.I is a common calculation that is done to determine whether water will tend to be corrosive or tend to cause scaling. I'm not familiar with the water chemistry in Flint but here in Southeastern Alberta, water generally has a high pH. Coagulant efficacy is reduced as pH increases so, with most surface water systems, the pH is dropped to improve coagulation and to reduce the costs of coagulants. Once treatment is complete, the pH is elevated with L.S.I. in mind. Knowing what the water temperature is, the conductivity, the calcium hardness and the alkalinity, operators adjust the pH to balance the water as close to zero as possible.

One of two things occurred in Flint.

1) - The operators were incompetent and did not do LSI calculations or failed to make adjustments

2) - The system did not have the capability to manipulate pH...which I would find incredible.
 
DaSleeper
#38
Or they were lazy and spent their time on the net instead of doing their job!
 
Cannuck
No Party Affiliation
#39
No, the LSI takes 20 seconds to calculate... maybe a half hour for someone of your intellect
 
tay
#40
A federal appeals court on Friday refused to stay a judge's order that requires the State of Michigan to make regular deliveries of bottled water to Flint households that don't have a working water filter on their kitchen taps.

Friday's 2-1 ruling by the U.S. 6th Circuit Court of Appeals marks the third time a federal court has told the state to begin the water deliveries, which the state argues is unnecessary and too costly.

U.S. District Judge David Lawson has twice ordered the state to start the bottled water deliveries to all households that the state can't demonstrate has a properly installed and maintained water filter to remove lead contamination.

The state continues to fight Lawson's order and filed a new motion this week saying the water deliveries aren't needed (external - login to view) because the unfiltered tap water in Flint now meets federal standards under the Safe Drinking Water Act. The City of Flint says in court filings it supports the state's request to stay Lawson's order.

The majority on the 6th Circuit said the state's "disingenuous claim that the daily delivery of bottled water would be at an expense of $10.5 million a month, is not supported by the record."

"Flint residents continue to suffer irreparable harm from the lack of reliable access to safe drinking water," said Senior Judge Damon Keith and Judge Bernice Donald.

"Many residents who rely on filters that are improperly installed continue to be at risk of exposure to lead. Compliance with the order only requires that the state defendants deliver bottled water to homes until they ensure that a home has a properly installed and maintained water filter, or if the residents opt out of the delivery service."

“The courts have spoken and the State of Michigan’s foot-dragging must end now,” said Dimple Chaudhary, senior attorney with the Natural Resources Defense Council.

Defendants in the case are Michigan Treasurer Nick Khouri and members of the state-appointed Flint Receivership Transition Advisory Board, which is overseeing Flint's return from state-ordered receivership to self-government.

Anna Heaton, a spokeswoman for Gov. Rick Snyder, said the state has been delivering bottled water to Flint residents who call 2-1-1 to request it, and will continue to do so.

Court refuses to lift order for state to deliver water in Flint (external - login to view)
 
tay
#41
Flint Residents Barred From Closed-Door Water Quality Meeting

Advocates and residents are concerned that officials are rushing to declare the city's water supply safe

Residents of Flint, Michigan who traveled to Chicago were barred from attending a private meeting Tuesday between Michigan Governor Rick Snyder and other officials, who advocates say are rushing to declare the city's water supply safe.

Outrage over the closed-door meeting prompted protests in Flint (external - login to view) and Chicago, where residents held signs (external - login to view)outside the Water Quality Summit asking for their detailed water quality report.

Inside the summit, officials from the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality (MDEQ) and the Environment Protection Agency (EPA), as well as Virginia Tech professor Marc Edwards, who is credited (external - login to view)with exposing the lead contamination crisis (external - login to view), met with Snyder to discuss current sample data, ignoring testimony from residents.

"My eyes are still burning. I can't breathe when I get out of the shower...we're still melting here," Flint resident Tony Palladeno said in a recording

aired (external - login to view) onTYT. Many residents have reported similar symptoms, particularly in regards to the city's shower water, which TYT host Cenk Uygur notes was not tested.

Synder, a Republican, has claimed that the water quality is improving and said the summit will allow experts to review all of the available data. But advocates are warning that current tests are not sufficient to declare the city's water free of dangerous contamination, and residents feel it is their right to be privy to the discussion.

"Tests that show the water is OK in one place don't mean that it will be OK in another place or that it will be OK the next day if it's tested in the same place," Laura Sullivan, a professor of mechanical engineering at Flint's Kettering University, told (external - login to view) the Detroit Free Press.

For instance, in the city's schools, there has been an inconsistent effort to replace water fixtures and install filters.

Flint Residents Barred From Closed-Door Water Quality Meeting | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for the Progressive Community (external - login to view)
 
tay
#42
Unfiltered Flint water is safe, just don't drink it, says state attorney


Unfiltered Flint water is safe, just don't drink it, says state attorney | MLive.com (external - login to view)


 
tay
#43
Scientists Now Know Exactly How Lead Got Into Flint's Water


Scientists Now Know Exactly How Lead Got Into Flint's Water | Science | Smithsonian (external - login to view)
 
tay
#44
The Detroit Water and Sewerage Department has issued a boil water advisory for residents and businesses in parts of Detroit, Highland Park and Hamtramck Wednesday morning.

Residents and businesses south of McNichols and east of Linwood and west of Conner are advised to boil water before drinking it or using it to cook.

Due to a temporary drop in pressure in the water supply Tuesday evening, bacterial contamination may have occurred in the water system, according to a news release. Bacteria are generally not harmful and are common throughout the environment, the release said. Whenever a water system loses pressure for any significant length of time, precautionary measures are recommended.

The Great Lakes Water Authority and DWSD are working to get pressure restored, and water staff will be taking other remedial actions such as flushing and collecting bacteriological samples from around the system. The samples will be collected to determine that the water quality meets the state drinking water standards. GLWA and DWSD will inform customers when tests show no bacteria and customers no longer need to boil water.

According to the advisory, you should bring all water to a boil, let it boil for one minute, and let it cool before using, or use bottled water. Boiled or bottled water should be used for drinking, making ice, brushing teeth, washing dishes, and food preparation until further notice, according to the release. Boiling kills bacteria and other organisms in the water.

Boil water advisory issued for part of Detroit over bacteria concerns (external - login to view)
 
tay
#45
This former official dodged jail time in the Flint water crisis, just has to write an apology letter.

A Michigan district court judge ordered that Corinne Miller, the former director of epidemiology at the state’s Department of Health and Human Services, publicly apologize to the residents of Flint (external - login to view) for withholding information about the presence of the Legionella bacteria, the microbe that causes Legionnaires’ disease, in the city’s drinking water.

After pleading no contest to a charge of neglect, Miller also got a year’s probation and 300 hours of community service — essentially a slap on the wrist. She is cooperating with special prosecutors pursuing cases against several former employees of the health department and the state’s Department of Environmental Quality for their role in Flint’s water crisis.

Twelve Flint residents were confirmed to have died in 2014 and 2015 from Legionnaires’ disease, an extreme type of pneumonia. But in January, statistics released by Genesee County, where Flint is located, appeared to confirm public health experts’ suspicions that the city’s water in fact caused additional pneumonia deaths.

Miller’s attorney argued against her having to make a public mea culpa, but Judge Jennifer J. Manley said the demand was “perfectly appropriate in this case.” Considering that even more people were sickened than previously believed, it’s the least she could do.

This former official dodged jail time in the Flint water crisis, just has to write an apology letter. | Grist (external - login to view)
 
tay
#46
Michigan, Flint to replace 18,000 lead-tainted water lines

DETROIT (AP) — Michigan and the city of Flint agreed Monday to replace thousands of home water lines under a sweeping deal to settle a lawsuit by residents over lead-contaminated water in the struggling city.

Flint will replace at least 18,000 lead or galvanized-steel water lines by 2020, and the state will pick up the bill with state and federal money, according to the settlement filed in federal court. It will be presented to a judge on Tuesday for his approval.

More than 700 water lines already have been replaced and work is ongoing, but the agreement would rid Flint's roughly 100,000 residents of uncertainty over how to pay for the enormous task. Under the settlement, the state will set aside $87 million and keep another $10 million in reserve if necessary.

"The proposed agreement is a win for the people of Flint," said Dimple Chaudhary, an attorney with the Natural Resources Defense Council, which is working with the American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan to represent Flint residents.

"It provides a comprehensive framework to address lead in Flint tap water and covers a number of critical issues related to water safety," Chaudhary told The Associated Press.

Flint's water was tainted with lead for at least 18 months, as the city tapped the Flint River but didn't treat the water to reduce corrosion. As a result, lead leached from old pipes and fixtures.

Water quality has improved but residents still are advised to use filters if drawing water from the kitchen tap.

https://apnews.com/c85f78dc0f6042dbb...PCentralRegion (external - login to view)
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#47
Quote: Originally Posted by tayView Post

Michigan, Flint to replace 18,000 lead-tainted water lines

DETROIT (AP) — Michigan and the city of Flint agreed Monday to replace thousands of home water lines under a sweeping deal to settle a lawsuit by residents over lead-contaminated water in the struggling city.

Flint will replace at least 18,000 lead or galvanized-steel water lines by 2020, and the state will pick up the bill with state and federal money, according to the settlement filed in federal court. It will be presented to a judge on Tuesday for his approval.

More than 700 water lines already have been replaced and work is ongoing, but the agreement would rid Flint's roughly 100,000 residents of uncertainty over how to pay for the enormous task. Under the settlement, the state will set aside $87 million and keep another $10 million in reserve if necessary.

"The proposed agreement is a win for the people of Flint," said Dimple Chaudhary, an attorney with the Natural Resources Defense Council, which is working with the American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan to represent Flint residents.

"It provides a comprehensive framework to address lead in Flint tap water and covers a number of critical issues related to water safety," Chaudhary told The Associated Press.

Flint's water was tainted with lead for at least 18 months, as the city tapped the Flint River but didn't treat the water to reduce corrosion. As a result, lead leached from old pipes and fixtures.

Water quality has improved but residents still are advised to use filters if drawing water from the kitchen tap.

https://apnews.com/c85f78dc0f6042dbb...PCentralRegion (external - login to view)

Is that Federal money doing that? If the rest of the environmental protections are being stripped away, why would this project survive?

I'll believe it when I see it. The US doesn't know how to solve problems, anymore.
 
tay
#48
Flint residents were poisoned. Now, they're being billed for it


https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2...ed-for-it.html
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#49
Quote: Originally Posted by tayView Post

flint residents were poisoned. Now, they're being billed for it


https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2...ed-for-it.html

America!!!

Freedom !
!!
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
#50
Article Summary

Bottled water is sold everywhere and is a staple stock item. But should we be concerned and is bottled water safe to drink?

The environmental impact of bottled water is high with over 60 million water bottles being thrown away each day in the United States alone. Only a small percentage of these (around one in six) get recycled.

Chemicals leaching out of discarded plastic water bottles finds its way into our soil, rives, and lakes − contaminating our drinking water.

There are 3 health-damaging types of chemicals commonly found in plastic water bottles:

Bisphenol A (BPA)
Polyethylene terephthalate (PET)
Phthalates
Filtered tap water is your best bet for safe drinking water. Look for a quality filter system that removes chlorine, fluoride, as well as bacteria.

Here are 4 Tips For Reducing Your Exposure to Toxins Released By Plastic:

Exchange your plastic bottles for stainless steel or glass
Invest in a good quality carbon water filter and filter your tap water and store it in glass or ceramic containers
Avoid cooking and heating any food or water in plastic or Styrofoam
If you must eat or drink from plastic be careful not to expose the food to the sun, high heat, microwave, or cut into the plastic while you are consuming the product.
https://thetruthaboutcancer.com/is-bottled-water-safe/ (external - login to view)

Out of the frying pan into the frying water.
"democide" its called.
Biggest killer on the planet
...AND you get to vote on who pulls the trigger before they send you the bill for the bullet
 
tay
#51
Good thing they tried to save some money by switching from the Detroit river to the Flint river water system...........


Flint goes back to using Detroit water


Flint's three-year drinking water crisis erupted when the city under the rule of a state-appointed emergency manager switched from Detroit water to the Flint River in April 2014.

Gov. Rick Snyder praised the city of Flint’s plan to sign a long-term deal with Detroit's water system after the city's departure from it four years ago set in motion one of the nation’s worst drinking water crises.

Snyder told reporters Tuesday that he was pleased to see the tentative agreement reached between city, county, state and federal leaders to provide new financial incentives for Flint to return for the next 30 years to the Detroit system now known as the Great Lakes Water Authority.

“That’s the success we like to see when people work together like that,” Snyder said. “This is a major step forward in terms of providing a better water supply for Flint, for the county and for the Great Lakes Water Authority.”

Officials also are exploring possible links between the river water and outbreaks of Legionnaires' disease tied to at least 12 deaths. The state attorney general has filed criminal charges against several city and state employees in connection with the water crisis.

Flint moves to keep Detroit water amid recovery (external - login to view)
 

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