Yes, there is a war on police

Locutus

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The murder of two New York policemen shouldn't surprise anyone. We've been watching liberal protesters war against police since the rise of Occupy Wall Street three years ago.

The #Shutitdown protests are filled with the same hateful rhetoric against police, spitting, curses and violence as they invade malls and block highways. If police respond, they are videotaped, photographed and lambasted on social media and left-wing websites. Only a week before the killings, protesters marched in New York chanting, "What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!"

The same sentiment spread on Twitter as some were gleeful about the murders. One asked: "Am I the only one happy about this breaking news 2 cops getting shot"? She wasn't. The hashtag #F---12 overflowed with hate for #pigpolice.

Now, many protesters, like White House favorite and MSNBC host Al Sharpton, claim they aren't anti-police, they are pro-justice.

They lie.

Union organizer Robert Murray was "arraigned on charges of assaulting an officer, resisting arrest, rioting and obstruction" for an attack on two New York police lieutenants during one "justice" protest two weeks ago, according to CBS. Two Bronx public defenders appeared in a rap video with the lyrics, "For Mike Brown and Sean Bell, a cop got to get killed." In Philadelphia, a paramedic posted a photo showing two black men pointing a gun at a police officer and describing police as "our real enemy."

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Police are the only visible government figures out there. Dress a politician in a neon suit and send him/her on walkabout and see what happens

They would be covered in pies and rottin vegggies the first block.
 

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The kind of right wing BS hate propaganda we come to expect from Loc. Millions of people from all over the world are protesting cops killing citizens, for social justice and for freedom. They cross every political spectrum. People in India are protesting the strangulation death by cops in NY.
 

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We already had a discussion about this on the thread dealing with the NYC cops who were attacked. As usual, the forum right wingers tried to side step the issue of anti-government white supremacists who denounced police in the Nevada Tea Bagger rally and who killed two white cops in that state. A Google search will disclose other such fatal attacks.

Since forum right wingers are hell bent on continuing to insist on bringing up Al Sharpton, let us hear what they have to say about the role white supremacist hatemongering Tea Baggers have done to promote anti-police and anti-government violence.

Tea Bagger rally exploits child in this anti-government sign:






Tea Bagger equates IRS with KGB:






Tea Bagger mom admits to being "terrorist":







Armed Tea Bagger threatens revolutionary violence:








Want more? I can give you more.


So let's have the forum right wingers condemn these threats of violence that resulted in the deaths of white cops.


By the way, let's all be reminded that it was right wing haters and anti-government types who committed the atrocity in Oklahoma City.
 

Cliffy

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The kind of right wing BS hate propaganda we come to expect from Loc. Millions of people from all over the world are protesting cops killing citizens, for social justice and for freedom. They cross every political spectrum. People in India are protesting the strangulation death by cops in NY.
No big surprise that Wally supports right wing BS hate propaganda. If he was a bird, he would fly around in circles with only one wing.
 

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Fox News Edits Tape of Black Protestors






Remember when Fox selectively edited a President Obama speech where he said "You didn't Build It" when referring to infrastructure and Fox made it seem like he was saying "You didn't build your business?




They've done it again causing outrage on right wing radio as they altered a chant “We won’t stop. We can’t stop. Until the killer cops. Are in cell blocks ” , to " “We won’t stop. We can’t stop. Kill a Cop"?








Fake....


Fake and Fake










UPDATE:







Fox station apologizes to Black Lives Matter protester for editing chant to say ‘Kill a cop’






Fox station apologizes to Black Lives Matter protester for editing chant to say ‘Kill a cop’
 

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The murder of two New York policemen shouldn't surprise anyone. We've been watching liberal protesters war against police since the rise of Occupy Wall Street three years ago.

The #Shutitdown protests are filled with the same hateful rhetoric against police, spitting, curses and violence as they invade malls and block highways. If police respond, they are videotaped, photographed and lambasted on social media and left-wing websites. Only a week before the killings, protesters marched in New York chanting, "What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!"

The same sentiment spread on Twitter as some were gleeful about the murders. One asked: "Am I the only one happy about this breaking news 2 cops getting shot"? She wasn't. The hashtag #F---12 overflowed with hate for #pigpolice.

Now, many protesters, like White House favorite and MSNBC host Al Sharpton, claim they aren't anti-police, they are pro-justice.

They lie.

Union organizer Robert Murray was "arraigned on charges of assaulting an officer, resisting arrest, rioting and obstruction" for an attack on two New York police lieutenants during one "justice" protest two weeks ago, according to CBS. Two Bronx public defenders appeared in a rap video with the lyrics, "For Mike Brown and Sean Bell, a cop got to get killed." In Philadelphia, a paramedic posted a photo showing two black men pointing a gun at a police officer and describing police as "our real enemy."

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Paints everyone with the same brush. There are serious culture issues in many U.S. (and Canadian) Police departments... arrogance, rigidity, a sense of entitlement and being above the law (or more exactly BEING the law), poor training and leadership, especially in diffusing potentially violent situations and outreach to alienated communities. It can reach a point of seeing themselves as on a self defined and divinely ordained mission.. beyond political and social control.

Most cops are good and honest. They see themselves in a vocation of service and protection of their communities and responsible TO that community. But the nature of the trade will always attract those who see it as a vent to their anger, hostility, prejudice.. and deem themselves to be superior to those they serve. They might be 5% of any force, and infect perhaps another 15 or 20% of the rest.

And there lies all the trouble. Its a constant battle to remove the thugs, bullies, punks and incompetents from police departments.. despite a natural tendency for police departments to 'close ranks' and protect those who are a lodestone to their profession. And clearly in the States things have been allowed to slide for too long.

There's no excuse for those who employ violence or flagrant disrespect.. on either side. And on both sides they are a small minority.
 
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Paints everyone with the same brush. There are serious culture issues in many U.S. (and Canadian) Police departments... arrogance, rigidity, a sense of entitlement and being above the law (or more exactly BEING the law), poor training and leadership, especially in diffusing potentially violent situations and outreach to alienated communities. It can reach a point of seeing themselves as on a self defined and divinely ordained mission.. beyond political and social control.

Most cops are good and honest. They see themselves in a vocation of service and protection of their communities and responsible TO them. But the nature of the trade will always attract those who see it as a vent to their anger, hostility, prejudice.. and deem themselves to be superior to those they serve. They might be 5% of any force, and infect perhaps another 15 or 20% of the rest.

And there lies all the trouble. Its a constant battle to remove the thugs, bullies, punks and incompetents from police departments.. despite a natural tendency for police departments to 'close ranks' and protect those who are a lodestone to their profession. And clearly in the States things have been allowed to slide for too long.

There's no excuse for those who employ violence or flagrant disrespect.. on either side. And on both sides they are a small minority.

All true. And part of the answer is training. Unfortunately, one of the largest private (contract) police trainers in the U.S. emphasises military responses to all situations, and unabashedly states that cops should shoot and keep shooting anytime there is the faintest question of their safety. That's the way he trains, and he is defiant in the face of questioning.
 

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Paints everyone with the same brush. There are serious culture issues in many U.S. (and Canadian) Police departments... arrogance, rigidity, a sense of entitlement and being above the law (or more exactly BEING the law), poor training and leadership, especially in diffusing potentially violent situations and outreach to alienated communities. It can reach a point of seeing themselves as on a self defined and divinely ordained mission.. beyond political and social control.

Most cops are good and honest. They see themselves in a vocation of service and protection of their communities and responsible TO them. But the nature of the trade will always attract those who see it as a vent to their anger, hostility, prejudice.. and deem themselves to be superior to those they serve. They might be 5% of any force, and infect perhaps another 15 or 20% of the rest.

And there lies all the trouble. Its a constant battle to remove the thugs, bullies, punks and incompetents from police departments.. despite a natural tendency for police departments to 'close ranks' and protect those who are a lodestone to their profession. And clearly in the States things have been allowed to slide for too long.

There's no excuse for those who employ violence or flagrant disrespect.. on either side. And on both sides they are a small minority.

There aren't very many cases of civil police forces failing to bow to prevailing political wind. That wind has trained thousands of western police forces by now. The legislation, training and equipments have already been emplaced in the event they become required to protect and serve those who made the necessary arangements and it wasn't taxpaying common citizens. A police force in my own community has an APC, and we are not involved in a war. Its presence sort of makes you think who it might be used against.
 

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Maybe the politicians should rethink all the things they made illegal and expect police forces to enforce with constantly shrinking budgets. A little more freedom would require a lot less policing.
 

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Maybe the politicians should rethink all the things they made illegal and expect police forces to enforce with constantly shrinking budgets. A little more freedom would require a lot less policing.
yes!
 

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All true. And part of the answer is training. Unfortunately, one of the largest private (contract) police trainers in the U.S. emphasises military responses to all situations, and unabashedly states that cops should shoot and keep shooting anytime there is the faintest question of their safety. That's the way he trains, and he is defiant in the face of questioning.

Another are all the vets who serve on police front lines. It may save money on training but how much time is spent on reprogramming the soldier into civillian service?
 

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Another are all the vets who serve on police front lines. It may save money on training but how much time is spent on reprogramming the soldier into civillian service?
There aren't really that many veterans in police forces. Cops tend to start young, and military/cop tends to be an either/or thing.

Leastways that's the way it is down hereabouts.
 

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Fox News Edits Tape of Black Protestors






Remember when Fox selectively edited a President Obama speech where he said "You didn't Build It" when referring to infrastructure and Fox made it seem like he was saying "You didn't build your business?




They've done it again causing outrage on right wing radio as they altered a chant “We won’t stop. We can’t stop. Until the killer cops. Are in cell blocks ” , to " “We won’t stop. We can’t stop. Kill a Cop"?








Fake....


Fake and Fake










UPDATE:







Fox station apologizes to Black Lives Matter protester for editing chant to say ‘Kill a cop’






Fox station apologizes to Black Lives Matter protester for editing chant to say ‘Kill a cop’






You beat me to the punch.

I was about to post the same item.



One of the reasons why we have so much racial division in the USA is because the Fo network foments troubles by spreading hate and lies. No surprise that right wingers here refuse to condemn this subversive treason.
 

Locutus

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Not Showing Up To Riot Is A Failed Conservative Policy


And Jonah Goldberg hasn't yet learned that.
Going by the standards liberals established, Sharpton clearly has blood on his hands (for this cop-slaying and other hate crimes from his earliest days as a race hustler). And the blame hardly ends there if you go by the rules that were applied to Palin and others.

But here's the problem: Those rules stink.

Sharpton is a special case; he should have been pelted from the public stage decades ago. But it would be ridiculous to believe that de Blasio or Holder -- or Obama -- wanted this tragedy.
I don't think it's ridiculous at all. When the left loses in the legislature, or at the ballot box, or in the justice system, they turn to the mob. Whether it's Occupy Wall Street, the blockade of a pipeline, or the burning of neighborhoods, the left can be counted on to march and if necessary, loot and riot, to impose their will.

De Blasio, Holder -- and Obama's -- endorsement of anti-police factions in Ferguson and New York has nothing to do with the First Amendment or "racist" police, and everything to do with reminding good citizens everywhere, yet again, of the power of the mob. That's why Al Sharpton is a constant companion of these elected politicians - he's their t-shirt slogan, and the slogan is "Or Else".
Double standards are seductive. If you've been demonized unfairly, it is only human to turn the tables at the first opportunity. Giving in to that temptation, however, leads to madness. Conservatives should take the high road -- and liberals should join them -- the next time a madman gives them an opportunity to take the low road.
Jonah Goldberg is a smart man, but he's still wandering through the trees. The people who use blood libel as a political tactic don't care about the road. They're in it for the destination.

Not Showing Up To Riot Is A Failed Conservative Policy - Small Dead Animals
 

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Yes there is a war on black police - from white police:




Off duty, black cops in New York feel threat from fellow police | Reuters





(Reuters) - From the dingy donut shops of Manhattan to the cloistered police watering holes in Brooklyn, a number of black NYPD officers say they have experienced the same racial profiling that cost Eric Garner his life.

Garner, a 43-year-old black man suspected of illegally peddling loose cigarettes, died in July after a white officer put him in a chokehold. His death, and that of an unarmed black teenager in Ferguson, Missouri, has sparked a slew of nationwide protests against police tactics. On Saturday, those tensions escalated after a black gunman, who wrote of avenging the black deaths on social media, shot dead two New York policemen.

The protests and the ambush of the uniformed officers pose a major challenge for New York Mayor Bill De Blasio. The mayor must try to ease damaged relations with a police force that feels he hasn’t fully supported them, while at the same time bridging a chasm with communities who say the police unfairly target them.

What’s emerging now is that, within the thin blue line of the NYPD, there is another divide - between black and white officers.

Reuters interviewed 25 African American male officers on the NYPD, 15 of whom are retired and 10 of whom are still serving. All but one said that, when off duty and out of uniform, they had been victims of racial profiling, which refers to using race or ethnicity as grounds for suspecting someone of having committed a crime.

The officers said this included being pulled over for no reason, having their heads slammed against their cars, getting guns brandished in their faces, being thrown into prison vans and experiencing stop and frisks while shopping. The majority of the officers said they had been pulled over multiple times while driving. Five had had guns pulled on them.

Desmond Blaize, who retired two years ago as a sergeant in the 41st Precinct in the Bronx, said he once got stopped while taking a jog through Brooklyn’s upmarket Prospect Park. "I had my ID on me so it didn’t escalate," said Blaize, who has sued the department alleging he was racially harassed on the job. "But what’s suspicious about a jogger? In jogging clothes?"

The NYPD and the Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, the police officers’ union, declined requests for comment. However, defenders of the NYPD credit its policing methods with transforming New York from the former murder capital of the world into the safest big city in the United States.



EX-POLICE CHIEF SKEPTICAL

"It makes good headlines to say this is occurring, but I don’t think you can validate it until you look into the circumstances they were stopped in," said Bernard Parks, the former chief of the Los Angeles Police Department, who is African American.

"Now if you want to get into the essence of why certain groups are stopped more than others, then you only need to go to the crime reports and see which ethnic groups are listed more as suspects. That’s the crime data the officers are living with."

Blacks made up 73 percent of the shooting perpetrators in New York in 2011 and were 23 percent of the population.

A number of academics believe those statistics are potentially skewed because police over-focus on black communities, while ignoring crime in other areas. They also note that being stopped as a suspect does not automatically equate to criminality. Nearly 90 percent of blacks stopped by the NYPD, for example, are found not to be engaged in any crime.

The black officers interviewed said they had been racially profiled by white officers exclusively, and about one third said they made some form of complaint to a supervisor.

All but one said their supervisors either dismissed the complaints or retaliated against them by denying them overtime, choice assignments, or promotions. The remaining officers who made no complaints said they refrained from doing so either because they feared retribution or because they saw racial profiling as part of the system.

In declining to comment to Reuters, the NYPD did not respond to a specific request for data showing the racial breakdown of officers who made complaints and how such cases were handled.

White officers were not the only ones accused of wrongdoing. Civilian complaints against police officers are in direct proportion to their demographic makeup on the force, according to the NYPD’s Civilian Complaint Review Board.

Indeed, some of the officers Reuters interviewed acknowledged that they themselves had been defendants in lawsuits, with allegations ranging from making a false arrest to use of excessive force. Such claims against police are not uncommon in New York, say veterans.

STUDIES FIND INHERENT BIAS

Still, social psychologists from Stanford and Yale universities and John Jay College of Criminal Justice have conducted research – including the 2004 study "Seeing Black: Race, Crime and Visual Processing" - showing there is an implicit racial bias in the American psyche that correlates black maleness with crime.

John Jay professor Delores Jones-Brown cited a 2010 New York State Task Force report on police-on-police shootings - the first such inquiry of its kind - that found that in the previous 15 years, officers of color had suffered the highest fatalities in encounters with police officers who mistook them for criminals.

There’s evidence that aggressive policing in the NYPD is intensifying, according to data from the New York City Comptroller.

Police misconduct claims - including lawsuits against police for using the kind of excessive force that killed Garner - have risen 214 percent since 2000, while the amount the city paid out has risen 75 percent in the same period, to $64.4 million in fiscal year 2012, the last year for which data is available.



REPORTING ABUSE

People who have taken part in the marches against Garner's death - and that of Ferguson teenager Michael Brown - say they are protesting against the indignity of being stopped by police for little or no reason as much as for the deaths themselves.

“There’s no real outlet to report the abuse,” said Brooklyn Borough President Eric Adams, a former NYPD captain who said he was stigmatized and retaliated against throughout his 22-year career for speaking out against racial profiling and police brutality.

Officers make complaints to the NYPD’s investigative arm, the Internal Affairs Bureau, only to later have their identities leaked, said Adams.

One of the better-known cases of alleged racial profiling of a black policeman concerns Harold Thomas, a decorated detective who retired this year after 30 years of service, including in New York's elite Joint Terrorism Task Force.

Shortly before 1 a.m. one night in August 2012, Thomas was leaving a birthday party at a trendy New York nightclub.

Wearing flashy jewelry, green sweatpants and a white t-shirt, Thomas walked toward his brand-new white Escalade when two white police officers approached him. What happened next is in dispute, but an altercation ensued, culminating in Thomas getting his head smashed against the hood of his car and then spun to the ground and put in handcuffs.

“If I was white, it wouldn’t have happened,” said Thomas, who has filed a lawsuit against the city over the incident. The New York City Corporation Counsel said it could not comment on pending litigation.

At an ale house in Williamsburg, Brooklyn last week, a group of black police officers from across the city gathered for the beer and chicken wing special. They discussed how the officers involved in the Garner incident could have tried harder to talk down an upset Garner, or sprayed mace in his face, or forced him to the ground without using a chokehold. They all agreed his death was avoidable.

Said one officer from the 106th Precinct in Queens, “That could have been any one of us.”