70.8% chance of an Obama win in November

Icarus27k

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Barack Obama’s standing in the FiveThirtyEight forecast reached its strongest position to date on Tuesday as a result of favorable polls in a set of swing states. The forecast model now gives Mr. Obama a 70.8 percent chance of winning the Electoral College, up from 69.0 percent on Monday and from 65.0 percent last Tuesday.

Three of the polls were conducted by Quinnipiac University in conjunction with The New York Times and CBS News. The polls gave Mr. Obama leads of 6 points in each of Ohio and Florida, and an 11-point lead in Pennsylvania.

In each state, the polls are at the high end of the range of numbers produced by other polling firms. As we frequently advise, no one set of polls — no matter how reputable the pollster — should be read as gospel. Differences in the numbers from survey firm to survey firm often reflect sampling error or methodological differences rather than any fundamental change in the condition of the race.
Nevertheless, Ohio and Pennsylvania polls are part of a consensus of polls showing Mr. Obama ahead in these states by varying margins. Mr. Obama has led 11 of the 13 polls in Ohio since May 1, and he has led all 11 polls conducted in Pennsylvania during this period.

The Florida polls have been more equivocal: Mr. Obama has held 10 leads, versus six for Mitt Romney. Still, Florida is typically a somewhat Republican-leaning state. In an election that was truly even-money, you’d expect Mr. Romney to be leading in more of the Florida polls rather than the other way around.

Ohio, for that matter, is also typically Republican-leaning relative to the rest of the country, although only by a point or two. One can debate the merits of different polling methodologies — but in Ohio, it has been a debate between polls showing Mr. Obama ahead by a narrow margin, and those showing him on top by a somewhat larger one.


Aug. 1: Obama Extends Electoral College Advantage - NYTimes.com






Does that sound about right to you?
 

damngrumpy

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No one knows the twists and turns of an election but I would be really surprised
if he didn't win. Whether he is the best doesn't count the other people who are
opposing him are nuts and that is the difference.
Romney isn't crazy but he has the unfortunate position of being on the wrong side
of history. He is a dismantler of American business and shipping the assets off
shore. Whether its the case doesn't matter, it is the impression in the minds of
the great electoral middle.
Romney's problem is not the Republican Party rather the Republican Parties
problem is the Tea Party, they are now the millstone around the neck of the right
wing.
The contrast is this. The right appears to be grasping at straws, they are attempting
to blame Obama for everything. The fact is, the people are starting to understand
that the Bush Administration made the original mess. They also see Obama as being
someone looking for sustainable long term solutions, and Romney short term self
interest. How did this happen? Packaging and positioning of the political landscape.
It doesn't have to be true, it just has to appear to be true, its all about image.
Barring some unforeseen difficulty this election race is all but over.
 

The Old Medic

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The Quinnipiac polls are notorious for being WRONG. They attempt to "average" other polls findings, BUT, they also only use polls of registered voters, and do not factor in the polls that utilize primarily those actually expected to vote.

Their samples are also VERY HEAVILY WEIGHTED IN FAVOR OF DEMOCRATS. In other words, to keep it simple, they poll a LOT more registered Democrats than are actually a representative sample from the general population of registered people. [This is kind of like, if 30% of registered voters are Democrats, these polls use a sample of 35-45% registered Democrats. This will almost always result in a much higher percentage of people "supporting" the Democrats candidate.]

Right now, just about all of the legitimate polls show this as either a dead heat (with any "lead" being within the margin of error).

The Independents are breaking for Romney, and they WILL determine the outcome. And Mr. Obama has hurt himself with Black voters, by his adamant support of Gay Marriage.

I would be willing to bet, and give odds, that Mr. Obama will go down to a resounding defeat, on the order of what happened to Jimmy Carter. And he will displace Mr. Carter as being the most ineffective President in U.S. history!
 

BaalsTears

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It doesn't matter who captains the Titanic. Obama can't turn things around.

If he is reelected it will all be downhill from there for him. Conservatives will not cooperate with him under any circumstances.

There will be no meaningful compromise under any possible set of circumstances. The American political culture will not allow compromise. And it doesn't matter who is at fault. The downward spiral can't be broken. The two parties are locked in a dance of death.
 

Bar Sinister

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I would be willing to bet, and give odds, that Mr. Obama will go down to a resounding defeat, on the order of what happened to Jimmy Carter. And he will displace Mr. Carter as being the most ineffective President in U.S. history!

Doesn't that dubious honour already belong to Obama's immediate predecessor? Bush's failures are monumental. Obama's minor - and he did do one thing no president in the last 50 years could do - give the US a universal health care system.
 

WLDB

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I'd say its still a coin toss at this point. A lot will happen between now and November.
 

BaalsTears

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Doesn't that dubious honour already belong to Obama's immediate predecessor? Bush's failures are monumental. Obama's minor - and he did do one thing no president in the last 50 years could do - give the US a universal health care system.
In doing so he ripped the country apart. So I guess you can say there are two notable things he accomplished. There are about a third of a billion people living in America. You can't have a one size fits all program in such a country. By forcing Obamacare through he ensured electoral defeat for Democrats in 2010, and unremitting conservative opposition. There were other ways to accomplish the objective of providing health coverage for the uninsured without screwing up the health coverage of those who had insurance.
 

Kreskin

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In doing so he ripped the country apart. So I guess you can say there are two notable things he accomplished. There are about a third of a billion people living in America. You can't have a one size fits all program in such a country. By forcing Obamacare through he ensured electoral defeat for Democrats in 2010, and unremitting conservative opposition. There were other ways to accomplish the objective of providing health coverage for the uninsured without screwing up the health coverage of those who had insurance.
I'm sure there are a million ways to do it but the fundamentalist Republicans offered zero cooperation. Their only plan has been to screw things up so Obama looks bad. The best thing that could ever happen to the US is for the elecorate to punt the right. Nothing wrong with fiscal conservatives but all there is now is extremists on the right.

Having said that, Romney looks like the only Republican with at least half a brain. Too bad the rest of them are nuts.
 

BaalsTears

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I'm sure there are a million ways to do it but the fundamentalist Republicans offered zero cooperation. Their only plan has been to screw things up so Obama looks bad. The best thing that could ever happen to the US is for the elecorate to punt the right. Nothing wrong with fiscal conservatives but all there is now is extremists on the right.

Having said that, Romney looks like the only Republican with at least half a brain. Too bad the rest of them are nuts.
It takes two to tango. No one has clean hands. If Obama is reelected his second term will be a failure.
 

B00Mer

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It takes two to tango. No one has clean hands. If Obama is reelected his second term will be a failure.

Not a necessary outcome.. he will have a mandate from the public and Republicans will see they also need to step up if they ever won'tto get back into the White House..

I always said Obama was a great politician, just not a great leader... in the last 6 monthshe has become a great leader too.. going after the terrorist, dealing with the greedy super rich and taking on tough decisions no matter how unpopular they may seem..

Aslo, as a Conservative..I tend to go with the safe choice, a proven record and I'm not up for change,when things are uncertain. In short, I will vote for Obama..

As for Romney Care, cough I mean Romney ship jobs overseas.. forget it..

P.S, for me, Obama is Bush in a black mans skin..lol
 

BaalsTears

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Not a necessary outcome.. he will have a mandate from the public and Republicans will see they also need to step up if they ever won'tto get back into the White House..

Sun Tzu said that if one knows one's self and one's enemy there is no need to fear the outcome of a hundred battles. You have no insight into the psyche of conservatives. Conservatives aren't playing poker. The game is Russian Roulette.

I always said Obama was a great politician, just not a great leader... in the last 6 monthshe has become a great leader too.. going after the terrorist, dealing with the greedy super rich and taking on tough decisions no matter how unpopular they may seem..

Obama is a shyster lawyer. Nothing more. I recognized him for what he was immediately.

Aslo, as a Conservative..

There are no conservatives in Canada as that term is understood in the United States.

I tend to go with the safe choice, a proven record and I'm not up for change,when things are uncertain. In short, I will vote for Obama..

That's nice.

As for Romney Care, cough I mean Romney ship jobs overseas.. forget it..

Obama ships jobs overseas just as well. If that weren't true Obama wouldn't have appointed Jeff Immelt of General Electric as his jobs czar. General Electric ships American jobs to China.

P.S, for me, Obama is Bush in a black mans skin..lol
Obama isn't a black man. He's a lawyer.
 

Walter

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Aslo, as a Conservative..I tend to go with the safe choice, a proven record and I'm not up for change,when things are uncertain. In short, I will vote for Obama.
No true political conservative would vote for the socialist Bamster.
 

JLM

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No true political conservative would vote for the socialist Bamster.

Which has bugger all to do with the thread at hand. The result depends on who puts in the biggest appearance at the polling booth, the conservatives or the socialists! :lol:
 

Walter

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Which has bugger all to do with the thread at hand. The result depends on who puts in the biggest appearance at the polling booth, the conservatives or the socialists! :lol:
Just respondng to a post in the thread.
 

taxslave

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No true political conservative would vote for the socialist Bamster.

Obama is not a socialist. He is just a little farther left than most republicans. By Canadian standards Obama is far right.
But first and foremost he is a liar er I mean lawyer. OK same thing.


Know the difference between god and a lawyer?

God doesn't think he is a lawyer.
 

Kreskin

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I saw one poll with a 5 point swing in 10 days. A lot can change in a week let alone 3 months. It could well be a dog fight to the end.