#1Sep 7th, 2011
Above is a quote from Information Clearing house.- mailing.
Seems to be spot on. Spinning their wheels would be a fitting description in keeping with above.
...........A serious "intervention" is long overdue.
The proverbial "State "of the Nation
Free Thinker
Above is a quote from Information Clearing house.- mailing.
Seems to be spot on. Spinning their wheels would be a fitting description in keeping with above.
...........A serious "intervention" is long overdue.
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Re: The proverbial "State "of the Nation
Sep 8th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze
I agree with the quote. The US is like a bus driving at full speed and two people fighting over the wheel. A serious crash is inevitable. BTW, here is the link to the article:The US no longer does decisions. It can neither stop the drug traffic nor legalize it. It can neither win wars nor abandon them, neither make money nor stop spending it, neither stop immigration nor assimilate the immigrants. Washington can beat its thumb with a hammer, yes, and notice that it hurts, but it can't stop beating its thumb. That would take a decision, and Washington doesn't do decisions." - Fred Reed
Above is a quote from Information Clearing house.- mailing.
Seems to be spot on. Spinning their wheels would be a fitting description in keeping with above.
...........A serious "intervention" is long overdue.
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#3Re: The proverbial "State "of the Nation
Sep 8th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one
I agree with the quote. The US is like a bus driving at full speed and two people fighting over the wheel. A serious crash is inevitable. BTW, here is the link to the article:
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Re: The proverbial "State "of the Nation
Sep 8th, 2011
Meanwhile many passengers on the bus don't seem concerned.
The US has serious fiscal problems and your leaders seem only interested in pushing the problem further into the future rather than biting the bullet now. Each time the US punts their debt problems into the future, the debt problem gets bigger and the distance the problem can be punted into the future gets shorter. Sooner or later the US is going to have to pay the Piper. That won't happen voluntarily with the current gridlock.
Eventually the US will collapse economically or another country will push the US over the cliff.
As of 2010, China holds $895.6 billion in American debt and is the largest foreign holder of US Treasury securities. (That's ignoring Hong Kong which holds an additional $138.9 billion of US debt. China can push the US into an immediate serious economic crisis at any time, by dumping a trillion $US. China doesn't even have to dump a single US dollar, they can cause panic sell off of $US among money and oil traders just by issuing a warning that they intend to start dumping $US.
The US is teetering on the edge of the economic abyss. Yawn if you like, but I recommend Americans don't piss off the Chinese.
The US has serious fiscal problems and your leaders seem only interested in pushing the problem further into the future rather than biting the bullet now. Each time the US punts their debt problems into the future, the debt problem gets bigger and the distance the problem can be punted into the future gets shorter. Sooner or later the US is going to have to pay the Piper. That won't happen voluntarily with the current gridlock.
Eventually the US will collapse economically or another country will push the US over the cliff.
As of 2010, China holds $895.6 billion in American debt and is the largest foreign holder of US Treasury securities. (That's ignoring Hong Kong which holds an additional $138.9 billion of US debt. China can push the US into an immediate serious economic crisis at any time, by dumping a trillion $US. China doesn't even have to dump a single US dollar, they can cause panic sell off of $US among money and oil traders just by issuing a warning that they intend to start dumping $US.
The US is teetering on the edge of the economic abyss. Yawn if you like, but I recommend Americans don't piss off the Chinese.
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Re: The proverbial "State "of the Nation
Sep 8th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one
And then the Chinese economy comes to a grinding halt... i.e goes over the cliff.Meanwhile many passengers on the bus don't seem concerned.
The US has serious fiscal problems and your leaders seem only interested in pushing the problem further into the future rather than biting the bullet now. Each time the US punts their debt problems into the future, the debt problem gets bigger and the distance the problem can be punted into the future gets shorter. Sooner or later the US is going to have to pay the Piper. That won't happen voluntarily with the current gridlock.
Eventually the US will collapse economically or another country will push the US over the cliff.
As of 2010, China holds $895.6 billion in American debt and is the largest foreign holder of US Treasury securities. (That's ignoring Hong Kong which holds an additional $138.9 billion of US debt. China can push the US into an immediate serious economic crisis at any time, by dumping a trillion $US. China doesn't even have to dump a single US dollar, they can cause panic sell off of $US among money and oil traders just by issuing a warning that they intend to start dumping $US.
The US is teetering on the edge of the economic abyss. Yawn if you like, but I recommend Americans don't piss off the Chinese.
Free Thinker
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Re: The proverbial "State "of the Nation
Sep 8th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one
I agree with the quote. The US is like a bus driving at full speed and two people fighting over the wheel. A serious crash is inevitable. BTW, here is the link to the article:
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earth for providing the link. Appreciate that.Your analogy is so fitting.!!! And we know who the "two people-parties" are who are wrestling over the wheel..(controls and power)
and yes,......most of the passengers are asleep. BUT to their credit ...many are starting to wake up. What they are able to do about this is another story altogether.
( I personally used to enjoy Clinton's "state of the union " addresses. They were like a summary of the issues being dealt with, progress (or lack of) made and gave one a feeling of being informed re national status and how it related to the world . -)
an aside but it is tragic that so many of those sleeping passengers got bent out of shape about his personal life when that was none of their business . What mattered was the quality of his presidency and in that dept IMHO- he did real good. And lets not get into the "he lied".........as his lie was nothing in compared to the HUGE LIE from the bush camp that has slaughtered almost a million .
Maybe the "state of the nation" could get back on a healthy track if folks really THOUGHT about what is important in life and the values that have been eroded by arrogance , stupidity and other character flaws . Like making sure everyone gets a good education, and has good health care in order to be able to function at their best in society . Those are the very ;basics. But the two drivers fighting over the wheel...... can't agree on anything related to the above basic items. and are controlled by fears of socialism or some other label .....which in the final analysis means squat.
earth ......good and thought provoking post. thx.
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one
earth: you have really thought about all this, haven't you.? ( obviously you are one of the passengers that is not asleep !! )Meanwhile many passengers on the bus don't seem concerned.
The US has serious fiscal problems and your leaders seem only interested in pushing the problem further into the future rather than biting the bullet now. Each time the US punts their debt problems into the future, the debt problem gets bigger and the distance the problem can be punted into the future gets shorter. Sooner or later the US is going to have to pay the Piper. That won't happen voluntarily with the current gridlock.
Eventually the US will collapse economically or another country will push the US over the cliff.
As of 2010, China holds $895.6 billion in American debt and is the largest foreign holder of US Treasury securities. (That's ignoring Hong Kong which holds an additional $138.9 billion of US debt. China can push the US into an immediate serious economic crisis at any time, by dumping a trillion $US. China doesn't even have to dump a single US dollar, they can cause panic sell off of $US among money and oil traders just by issuing a warning that they intend to start dumping $US.
The US is teetering on the edge of the economic abyss. Yawn if you like, but I recommend Americans don't piss off the Chinese.
And yes, it would be stupid and arrogant to even consider dissing China off .......as China holds the chips when it comes to US economony .....er massive LOANS, DEBTS. which the US is having trouble paying. That is , at the very least very embarrassing for a nation that has gloated about its wealth , progress and being the "best" on the planet. What it missed in the message is that any nation that cannot manage its finances on the scale that the US lives........is not the "great" place it says it is.......as it is operating on borrowed time and money and living in a cloud of unreallity.
Seems that first order of business is to make sure the budget is balancing. Second is to make sure that the needs of a population are a priority. (Education, Health). ...and probably most important find the reality check button and use it to keep the leaders anchored .
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Re: The proverbial "State "of the Nation
Sep 8th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack
That's the myth. Most of China's economy is based on domestic production and consumption. China's biggest consumer of Chinese manufacturing is China. Only about 10% of their economy is now based on exports and the US is only a portion of that 10%.And then the Chinese economy comes to a grinding halt... i.e goes over the cliff.
If the rest of the world stopped buying Chines goods and services, the Chinese economy would shrink by 10% or about a years worth of growth. So yes the Chinese can afford to pull the plug on US life support. For them the impact would be an unpleasant hiccup, for the US the consequences would be severe.
The 15 biggest holders of US debt
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An old Chinese myth
Contrary to popular wisdom, China's rapid growth is not hugely dependent on exports
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Re: The proverbial "State "of the Nation
Sep 8th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one
Meh... keep dreaming. They aren't going to do anything.That's the myth. Most of China's economy is based on domestic production and consumption. China's biggest consumer of Chinese manufacturing is China. Only about 10% of their economy is now based on exports and the US is only a portion of that 10%.
If the rest of the world stopped buying Chines goods and services, the Chinese economy would shrink by 10% or about a years worth of growth. So yes the Chinese can afford to pull the plug on US life support. For them the impact would be an unpleasant hiccup, for the US the consequences would be severe.
The 15 biggest holders of US debt
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An old Chinese myth
Contrary to popular wisdom, China's rapid growth is not hugely dependent on exports
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#9
Re: The proverbial "State "of the Nation
Sep 8th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze
Hope you have broadband.It can neither stop the drug traffic nor legalize it.
The Mena Connection - Exposing the CIA Bush Clinton Iran Contra And Drug Running - YouTube
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#10Re: The proverbial "State "of the Nation
Sep 8th, 2011
Neat, playing connect the dots with a 12" paint roller.
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#11Re: The proverbial "State "of the Nation
Sep 8th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear
Source --Neat, playing connect the dots with a 12" paint roller.
Don't forget your tin hat
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#12Re: The proverbial "State "of the Nation
Sep 8th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear
That was clever.Neat, playing connect the dots with a 12" paint roller.
Free Thinker
#13
Re: The proverbial "State "of the Nation
Sep 9th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze
So you agree with the tea party message to cut government expenditures?
Your analogy is so fitting.!!! And we know who the "two people-parties" are who are wrestling over the wheel..(controls and power)
and yes,......most of the passengers are asleep. BUT to their credit ...many are starting to wake up. What they are able to do about this is another story altogether.
( I personally used to enjoy Clinton's "state of the union " addresses. They were like a summary of the issues being dealt with, progress (or lack of) made and gave one a feeling of being informed re national status and how it related to the world . -)
an aside but it is tragic that so many of those sleeping passengers got bent out of shape about his personal life when that was none of their business . What mattered was the quality of his presidency and in that dept IMHO- he did real good. And lets not get into the "he lied".........as his lie was nothing in compared to the HUGE LIE from the bush camp that has slaughtered almost a million .
Maybe the "state of the nation" could get back on a healthy track if folks really THOUGHT about what is important in life and the values that have been eroded by arrogance , stupidity and other character flaws . Like making sure everyone gets a good education, and has good health care in order to be able to function at their best in society . Those are the very ;basics. But the two drivers fighting over the wheel...... can't agree on anything related to the above basic items. and are controlled by fears of socialism or some other label .....which in the final analysis means squat.
earth ......good and thought provoking post. thx.
earth: you have really thought about all this, haven't you.? ( obviously you are one of the passengers that is not asleep !! )
And yes, it would be stupid and arrogant to even consider dissing China off .......as China holds the chips when it comes to US economony .....er massive LOANS, DEBTS. which the US is having trouble paying. That is , at the very least very embarrassing for a nation that has gloated about its wealth , progress and being the "best" on the planet. What it missed in the message is that any nation that cannot manage its finances on the scale that the US lives........is not the "great" place it says it is.......as it is operating on borrowed time and money and living in a cloud of unreallity.
Seems that first order of business is to make sure the budget is balancing. Second is to make sure that the needs of a population are a priority. (Education, Health). ...and probably most important find the reality check button and use it to keep the leaders anchored .
#14
Re: The proverbial "State "of the Nation
Sep 9th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack
If you were talking about Canada being a trustworthy and reliable US allie, I'd agree with you. A strong vibrant US is good for Canada and our foreign policy is to be supportive of American foreign polices.Meh... keep dreaming. They aren't going to do anything.
China on the other hand as a completely different relationship with the US. On the one hand they have and want to maintain their beneficial trade relationship with the US. One the other hand US foreign policies are a constant thorn in their side. The US meddling in the middle east interferes with their ability to access oil. Iraq sold a lot of oil to China directly. Now China has to go through American oil companies. China also gets oil and gas from Iran and has signed multi-billion dollar development contracts with Iran which would be lost if the US attacked Iran.
China's biggest problem with the US probably concerns Taiwan and the South China Sea:
Quote:
--Jul 11, 2011
US will maintain South China Sea presence:
The US is committed to maintaining its presence in the South China Sea, US Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Admiral Mike Mullen said in China yesterday, adding that Washington was worried that disputes over the resource-rich waters could lead to serious conflict.
China has been embroiled in rows with the Philippines and Vietnam in recent months over what each government sees as intrusions and illegitimate claims in the stretch of ocean spanning key shipping lanes.
“The worry, among others that I have, is that the ongoing incidents could spark a miscalculation and an outbreak that no one anticipated,” Mullen said at the start of a four-day visit to China.
Despite unease over China’s growing military capabilities and assertiveness in the disputed waters, US-China military relations have thawed in recent months and Mullen’s trip to China is seen a reciprocal visit for the one by People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Chief of the General Staff Chen Bingde (陳炳德) to Washington in May.
That visit marked the countries’ highest-level military-to-military talks since China severed ties early last year over US$6.4 billion in US arms sale to Taiwan....
China would like to re-unite with Taiwan on their terms. Taiwan would be far more pliable, if the US didn't have a carrier group permanently stationed in the Strait of Formosa or constantly played military games right on their border. I suspect that at some point, China will flex its economic and military muscles in an effort to "convince" the US to mind their own business and play their games elsewhere. China isn't quite ready yet, but sooner or later they will be.
The US would be wise not to piss off China.
No Party Affiliation
#15
Re: The proverbial "State "of the Nation
Sep 9th, 2011
Taiwan is very much our business, has been since we promised to protect the people there. I would be more worried about China turning on their mainland neighbors over basic resources like water. If we get involved it would be a total no turning back war.
#16
Re: The proverbial "State "of the Nation
Sep 9th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one
China isn't going to do a thing... much to your chargrin I'm sure.If you were talking about Canada being a trustworthy and reliable US allie, I'd agree with you. A strong vibrant US is good for Canada and our foreign policy is to be supportive of American foreign polices.
Quote has been trimmed, See full post:
China on the other hand as a completely different relationship with the US. On the one hand they have and want to maintain their beneficial trade relationship with the US. One the other hand US foreign policies are a constant thorn in their side. The US meddling in the middle east interferes with their ability to access oil. Iraq sold a lot of oil to China directly. Now China has to go through American oil companies. China also gets oil and gas from Iran and has signed multi-billion dollar development contracts with Iran which would be lost if the US attacked Iran.
China's biggest problem with the US probably concerns Taiwan and the South China Sea:
US will maintain South China Sea presence: Mullen - Taipei Times
China would like to re-unite with Taiwan on their terms. Taiwan would be far more pliable, if the US didn't have a carrier group permanently stationed in the Strait of Formosa or constantly played military games right on their border. I suspect that at some point, China will flex its economic and military muscles in an effort to "convince" the US to mind their own business and play their games...
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#17Re: The proverbial "State "of the Nation
Sep 9th, 2011
I doubt China will use their military. But I do expect them to use they economic clout over the US to their advantage, just like the US would if the situation were reversed.
Also I have no ill will towards most Americans. Its in Canada's best interest to maintain good relations with the US. Our economic well being is tied to the American economy. Whatever hurts the US will hurt Canada. Also, Americans who come to Canada and spend money help boost our economy. I wish more Americans would visit Canada.
My problem is with the few Americans who have committed war crimes. Some American leaders started an unprovoked war in Iraq (war crime) which has resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths, all for the benefit of large corporations. Even though most Americans are ignorant of these crimes, I don't blame them for their ignorance. The problem lies with your "news" organizations. Forums like this are part of the solution to the problem of MSM induced American ignorance.
Also I have no ill will towards most Americans. Its in Canada's best interest to maintain good relations with the US. Our economic well being is tied to the American economy. Whatever hurts the US will hurt Canada. Also, Americans who come to Canada and spend money help boost our economy. I wish more Americans would visit Canada.
My problem is with the few Americans who have committed war crimes. Some American leaders started an unprovoked war in Iraq (war crime) which has resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths, all for the benefit of large corporations. Even though most Americans are ignorant of these crimes, I don't blame them for their ignorance. The problem lies with your "news" organizations. Forums like this are part of the solution to the problem of MSM induced American ignorance.
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Free Thinker
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#18Re: The proverbial "State "of the Nation
Sep 9th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one
being in such grave economic straights, with an obscene national debt.........the US has eroded its own "clout" ....Greed,, immediate gratification ( I want now) and general ignorance has contributed to this loss too. What is concerning is that they don't listen. but in their minds have all the answers (right or wrong). A character flaw that comes with arrogance and over inflated egos and confidence. I doubt China will use their military. But I do expect them to use they economic clout over the US to their advantage, just like the US would if the situation were reversed.
Also I have no ill will towards most Americans. Its in Canada's best interest to maintain good relations with the US. My problem is with the few Americans who have committed war crimes. My beef with the most Americans is their ignorance that some of their leaders started an unprovoked war (war crime) which has resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths, all for the benefit of large corporations. Even though most Americans are ignorant of these crimes, I don't blame them for their ignorance. The problem lies with your "news" organizations. Forums like this are part of the solution to the problem of MSM induced American ignorance.
One of the sadder things is that they have allowed themselves to become increasingly isolated from the world. ......and yet believe they are the only ones that should run the planet and its inhabitants.
Most , though are regular folks like anywhere else on the planet.
No Party Affiliation
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#19Re: The proverbial "State "of the Nation
Sep 11th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one
They have no economic clout over the United States. Their best interest is a economically strong United States, they want to make money back on their $7+ trillion investmant. I doubt China will use their military. But I do expect them to use they economic clout over the US to their advantage, just like the US would if the situation were reversed.
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#20Re: The proverbial "State "of the Nation
Sep 11th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze
What a stupid thing to say.One of the sadder things is that they have allowed themselves to become increasingly isolated from the world. ......and yet believe they are the only ones that should run the planet and its inhabitants.
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This makes it even more stupid.Most , though are regular folks like anywhere else on the planet.
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#21
Re: The proverbial "State "of the Nation
Sep 11th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze
Nothing too profound about that, it's certainly not news................as the old adage goes- "we win a few, we lose a few"The US no longer does decisions. It can neither stop the drug traffic nor legalize it. It can neither win wars nor abandon them, neither make money nor stop spending it, neither stop immigration nor assimilate the immigrants. Washington can beat its thumb with a hammer, yes, and notice that it hurts, but it can't stop beating its thumb. That would take a decision, and Washington doesn't do decisions." - Fred Reed
Above is a quote from Information Clearing house.- mailing.
Seems to be spot on. Spinning their wheels would be a fitting description in keeping with above.
...........A serious "intervention" is long overdue.
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#22Re: The proverbial "State "of the Nation
Sep 11th, 2011
The key to a good economy is that people have tobuy what people make in their country if they don’t the economy eventuallycollapses.
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#23
Re: The proverbial "State "of the Nation
Sep 11th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze
Your answers get weirder as time goes on. We have not allowed anything of the sort if anything the liberal governments/people of the world have increasingly isolated themselves from the world, thru because they cannot stomach what they know has to be done to make this a safer world.being in such grave economic straights, with an obscene national debt.........the US has eroded its own "clout" ....Greed,, immediate gratification ( I want now) and general ignorance has contributed to this loss too. What is concerning is that they don't listen. but in their minds have all the answers (right or wrong). A character flaw that comes with arrogance and over inflated egos and confidence.
One of the sadder things is that they have allowed themselves to become increasingly isolated from the world. ......and yet believe they are the only ones that should run the planet and its inhabitants.
Most , though are regular folks like anywhere else on the planet.
Free Thinker
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#24Re: The proverbial "State "of the Nation
Sep 19th, 2011
The Fall of the United States
by --
We have the purpose of preventing bigots and ignoramuses from controlling… the United States.
--Clarence Darrow at the Scopes Monkey Trial.
Welcome to the late great United States – a country in economic and moral free fall. A country in thrall to a cult of greed, selfishness, and ignorance.
A country that is trying to hold onto its belief in its own “exceptionalism,” even as it rejects the very forces that made it exceptional.
Once, the US was a leader in science. Today, most Americans -- and one of the major political parties – Republicans-- -- Research budgets are being slashed. The space shuttle has flown its last flight. Climate scientists are demonized and marginalized, even as epochal storms, heat waves, and draughts sweep across our country and lay waste our planet.
Once, US infrastructure was the envy of the world. Our planes, our trains, our highways, our damns, bridges, buildings and communication systems were the benchmark against which other countries measured their worth. Investing in it created well-paying jobs and wealth-generating capacity. Now, --
Once, the US system of laws and regulations was recognized as the pre-requisite of a civilized and prosperous society. It created transparent markets; honest securities exchanges; level playing fields for all players; equitable sharing of wealth between workers and managers; safe and humane working conditions; a clean and livable environment. Today, most Americans think government regulation destroyed the economy. They even believe that the plutocrats who destroyed this regulatory infrastructure -- the most successful wealth-generating machine in the world’s history -- are the “job creators” and the source of the formerly shared prosperity that is now --
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before anyone gets going on anti americanism or some other such illiterate commentary..........would you please review the items in the article and indicate if there is truth to them. Suspect you will find there is.
The reality might be harsh to face as the implications for the US and the world at large are beyond what anyone can even imagine ....but no one can afford to play ostrich anymore .
We must remember that as the US deteriorates......it will (and is already) affecting our own lovely nation as well. We as canadians must never fall into the same traps of greed, lust for power , feelings of exceptionalism ( remember : the Germans felt they too were exceptional) and ruthless disregard of feelings of others , be it people, nations, cultures etc. We must also remember that the media is not always factual and to keep open an inquisitive mind that does not allow itself to become dumbed down by infotainment , and other useless trivia that fills the airwaves . that serves to distract from the critical issues going on at the moment and will be for some time before things level off again. They will level off.......that is a given law of physics , but what we don't know is what the status quo will be when that happens.
In as much as we must face the truths about our neighbor...... we must be objective and remember that for some, it just takes a lot longer to mature into a wise nation of peoples , the potential is there....always will be ......but it does not lie in slogans, flag waving, wars etc. It lies in the humanity of the people themselves. Growing pains can be very hard to deal with ..particularly when what one believes about oneself is not reality or fact.
by --
We have the purpose of preventing bigots and ignoramuses from controlling… the United States.
--Clarence Darrow at the Scopes Monkey Trial.
Welcome to the late great United States – a country in economic and moral free fall. A country in thrall to a cult of greed, selfishness, and ignorance.
A country that is trying to hold onto its belief in its own “exceptionalism,” even as it rejects the very forces that made it exceptional.
Once, the US was a leader in science. Today, most Americans -- and one of the major political parties – Republicans-- -- Research budgets are being slashed. The space shuttle has flown its last flight. Climate scientists are demonized and marginalized, even as epochal storms, heat waves, and draughts sweep across our country and lay waste our planet.
Once, US infrastructure was the envy of the world. Our planes, our trains, our highways, our damns, bridges, buildings and communication systems were the benchmark against which other countries measured their worth. Investing in it created well-paying jobs and wealth-generating capacity. Now, --
Once, the US system of laws and regulations was recognized as the pre-requisite of a civilized and prosperous society. It created transparent markets; honest securities exchanges; level playing fields for all players; equitable sharing of wealth between workers and managers; safe and humane working conditions; a clean and livable environment. Today, most Americans think government regulation destroyed the economy. They even believe that the plutocrats who destroyed this regulatory infrastructure -- the most successful wealth-generating machine in the world’s history -- are the “job creators” and the source of the formerly shared prosperity that is now --
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before anyone gets going on anti americanism or some other such illiterate commentary..........would you please review the items in the article and indicate if there is truth to them. Suspect you will find there is.
The reality might be harsh to face as the implications for the US and the world at large are beyond what anyone can even imagine ....but no one can afford to play ostrich anymore .
We must remember that as the US deteriorates......it will (and is already) affecting our own lovely nation as well. We as canadians must never fall into the same traps of greed, lust for power , feelings of exceptionalism ( remember : the Germans felt they too were exceptional) and ruthless disregard of feelings of others , be it people, nations, cultures etc. We must also remember that the media is not always factual and to keep open an inquisitive mind that does not allow itself to become dumbed down by infotainment , and other useless trivia that fills the airwaves . that serves to distract from the critical issues going on at the moment and will be for some time before things level off again. They will level off.......that is a given law of physics , but what we don't know is what the status quo will be when that happens.
In as much as we must face the truths about our neighbor...... we must be objective and remember that for some, it just takes a lot longer to mature into a wise nation of peoples , the potential is there....always will be ......but it does not lie in slogans, flag waving, wars etc. It lies in the humanity of the people themselves. Growing pains can be very hard to deal with ..particularly when what one believes about oneself is not reality or fact.
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#25
Re: The proverbial "State "of the Nation
Sep 20th, 2011
Why is it that it is always foreign liberal cowards who are always calling out for the demise of America. The United States is not going to fail. We never have and never will.
"It lies in the humanity of the people themselves. Growing pains can be very hard to deal with ..particularly when what one believes about oneself is not reality or fact."
Yes, your above quote is right about the liberal left.
"It lies in the humanity of the people themselves. Growing pains can be very hard to deal with ..particularly when what one believes about oneself is not reality or fact."
Yes, your above quote is right about the liberal left.
Free Thinker
#26
Re: The proverbial "State "of the Nation
Sep 20th, 2011
NO one is "calling" for the demise of America. No one wants it.....either . "america" is doing it all by itself. The erosion process has been going on for some time........but the difference is that it is OBVIOUS now and ACCERATING now.
One cannot examine the "state of the nation" objectively and not see that things are rather grim. Economy , national debt. devalued credit rating, increased (dramatically) poverty and poor health . Obstructionists are running the gov't. Security measures are removing in gradual but steady terms the rights of the population........(who are now of the mindset that it is no problem to surrender some rights.....like privacy, for the false notion of security . ( which can never be achieved unless you cage the population completely).
Then there is the loss of influence and respect world wide. All pointers show that there is an increasing degree of desparateness to their decisions and yet no one can agree on what to do as power is more important then the custody of their country. Ethics and standards are not even relavent..
The US EGO has taken over some time ago. and the results are there for all to see. The lack of regard for humanity and the laws is now overtly evident with planned assassinations/ executions being "justice" and holding people in prisons indefinately without legal council etc etc.
The US has pushed all the boundaries that define civilizations. and the repercussions are just beginning. It will take more than your garden variety political MAGIC to set things back on course.......as no one is prepared to do any serious self reflection which is critical before appropriate solutions can be determined.
why the heck would anyone WANT the demise of the US.......when every step of this deterioration is affecting nations and peoples world wide.
Before branding the "liberals" as the author of ones complaints......please examine the rotten state of the repukes and how they interfere / obstruct any ideas .
Maybe the libs should behave like the repukes......and give them a taste of their own medicine. But we all know what the immature repugs would do. Cry fowl as if they are the model example of the law, ethics, standards and humanity. They are NOT.
the problem is that BOTH parties are so involved in maintaining POWER ......THEIR power , that nothing is being done to assist the nation through a very dark phase.
One cannot examine the "state of the nation" objectively and not see that things are rather grim. Economy , national debt. devalued credit rating, increased (dramatically) poverty and poor health . Obstructionists are running the gov't. Security measures are removing in gradual but steady terms the rights of the population........(who are now of the mindset that it is no problem to surrender some rights.....like privacy, for the false notion of security . ( which can never be achieved unless you cage the population completely).
Then there is the loss of influence and respect world wide. All pointers show that there is an increasing degree of desparateness to their decisions and yet no one can agree on what to do as power is more important then the custody of their country. Ethics and standards are not even relavent..
The US EGO has taken over some time ago. and the results are there for all to see. The lack of regard for humanity and the laws is now overtly evident with planned assassinations/ executions being "justice" and holding people in prisons indefinately without legal council etc etc.
The US has pushed all the boundaries that define civilizations. and the repercussions are just beginning. It will take more than your garden variety political MAGIC to set things back on course.......as no one is prepared to do any serious self reflection which is critical before appropriate solutions can be determined.
why the heck would anyone WANT the demise of the US.......when every step of this deterioration is affecting nations and peoples world wide.
Before branding the "liberals" as the author of ones complaints......please examine the rotten state of the repukes and how they interfere / obstruct any ideas .
Maybe the libs should behave like the repukes......and give them a taste of their own medicine. But we all know what the immature repugs would do. Cry fowl as if they are the model example of the law, ethics, standards and humanity. They are NOT.
the problem is that BOTH parties are so involved in maintaining POWER ......THEIR power , that nothing is being done to assist the nation through a very dark phase.
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#27Re: The proverbial "State "of the Nation
Sep 20th, 2011
See what I mean, your blaming us for everything. Maybe your right. Just wanted to let you know - today I received my 2012 Obama Stimulus
Package. It contained two pumpkin seeds, cornbread mix, and 10 KFC
coupons. The directions were in Spanish.
Hope you get yours soon.
Package. It contained two pumpkin seeds, cornbread mix, and 10 KFC
coupons. The directions were in Spanish.
Hope you get yours soon.
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#28Re: The proverbial "State "of the Nation
Sep 20th, 2011Quote:
this is the real cause of the many problems:Spinning their wheels
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Re: The proverbial "State "of the Nation
Sep 20th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by ironsides
Guess it is time for y'all to learn Spanish.See what I mean, your blaming us for everything. Maybe your right. Just wanted to let you know - today I received my 2012 Obama Stimulus
Package. It contained two pumpkin seeds, cornbread mix, and 10 KFC
coupons. The directions were in Spanish.
Hope you get yours soon.
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