Deflate Gate


Kreskin
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I'm sure everyone has heard about it. Some time on gameday between the referee's inspection of the balls and the start of the game most of the the New England Patriots footballs deflated below the rule limit. This would make it easier to grab the ball. Anyone who has thrown fully inflated and partially-deflated balls would understand that it can be advantageous let some of the air out.

But the coach and QB have no knowledge of how this could have happened.

Troy Aikman, multi-time Super Bowl champ with the Dallas Cowboys, feels this is more serious than the Bounty-gate scandal with New Orleans, because the action gave a competitive advantage. (The coach of New Orleans was suspended for one year).

If it had been a close game it would be even more serious. Frankly they could've played with beach balls and still beat the Colts.

Everyone But New England Thinks the Patriots Are Lying (external - login to view)

A few days ago Seahawks Cornerback Richard Sherman said Tom Brady has the squeaky clean image but they know otherwise (he was just stirring it up).

Richard Sherman Discusses Tom Brady Video - ABC News (external - login to view)

Oh well, makes for a storyline going to the Super Bowl.
 
taxslave
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IF both teams are using the ball where is the advantage?
 
Kreskin
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

IF both teams are using the ball where is the advantage?

They don't use the same balls. NE lobbyed to have the rules changed a few years ago. Both teams bring their own balls.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

IF both teams are using the ball where is the advantage?

A question I've been wondering about since this thing was aired!
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

They don't use the same balls. NE lobbyed to have the rules changed a few years ago. Both teams bring their own balls.

I always bring my own.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

They don't use the same balls. NE lobbyed to have the rules changed a few years ago. Both teams bring their own balls.

I never figured the game out too well but when one team throws the ball both teams try to catch it so I don't see much advantage.
 
Kreskin
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

I never figured the game out too well but when one team throws the ball both teams try to catch it so I don't see much advantage.

That's not much of an issue. It isn't too often that the defence has a chance to catch a pass of any kind (intercept).

If a QB can be more effective with a delfated ball then his own offence can be more productive. Less incomplete passes.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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#8
Much ado about nothing. Even if true, New England won 45-7. Even accepting that deflating the balls gave them an advantage, it wouldn't be a 38-point advantage. Assume it's true and take away three touchdowns from New England. They still win 24-7.
 
Cannuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

Much ado about nothing. Even if true, New England won 45-7. Even accepting that deflating the balls gave them an advantage, it wouldn't be a 38-point advantage. Assume it's true and take away three touchdowns from New England. They still win 24-7.

They cheated. It's irrelevant how much they won by.
 
lone wolf
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#10
I guess football shouldn't be played with cold balls
 
gopher
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Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

They don't use the same balls. NE lobbyed to have the rules changed a few years ago. Both teams bring their own balls.


That is correct - the league allows them to use their own footballs.

There was some talk that Brady claimed he could not tell the difference in weight of the ball. But that is pure bunk. Fran Tarkenton was interviewed and he said any QB can easily tell the difference. And I know that is true from my days of playing touch football in the school yard as I was the ball owner in my touch football club.

In the old days we used single wing exclusively - spread formation was not used in amateur ball. Therefore, every RB held the ball and used the option pass where possible - that means we had to feel the ball in hand, not just on our arms. I could tell immediately if the ball was deflated in any way. I was also team punter and could tell from kicking the ball whether it had lost air. For Brady to say he could not tell that the ball was deflated is a blatant lie.

Belicheat isn't called that name for nothing. He got caught with the goods and is deserving of a stiff sanction.
 
Kreskin
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

Much ado about nothing. Even if true, New England won 45-7. Even accepting that deflating the balls gave them an advantage, it wouldn't be a 38-point advantage. Assume it's true and take away three touchdowns from New England. They still win 24-7.

True. They didn't need tp throw it. They ran the ball at will. But the fact the rules were broken in an underhanded way, and them denyng any inolvement, makes them once again look like cheaters and liars.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

True. They didn't need tp throw it. They ran the ball at will. But the fact the rules were broken in an underhanded way, and them denyng any inolvement, makes them once again look like cheaters and liars.

Cheaters and liars with a shot at another Super Bowl ring.
 
gopher
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Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

True. They didn't need tp throw it. They ran the ball at will. But the fact the rules were broken in an underhanded way, and them denyng any inolvement, makes them once again look like cheaters and liars.



When a rusher holds a deflated ball it is easier to grip and far less likely to be fumbled. This can have a huge impact on the game and can easily help a cheater like Belicheat win.
 
Ludlow
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boo on deflated balls/lol
 
Kreskin
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

Cheaters and liars with a shot at another Super Bowl ring.

Yup, a major test for the Seahawks. They had better contain NE's rushing game.
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
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Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

They don't use the same balls. NE lobbyed to have the rules changed a few years ago. Both teams bring their own balls.

That to me is the reason that there is this mess. The NFL should supply the balls. End of issue. Imagine if each baseball team supplied their own balls. How non-crooked would that game be?


And I don't for a minute believe a so called great QB would not know that the ball felt funny in his hand. Pretty Boy is a big liar.


I also maintain if Belecheat and CryBaby had said Monday morning :"We screwed up. We made a mistake", NE would have been fined $25K (them maximum fine for this offense) and the issue would have been dead. But their constant denials and bellyaching have kept this alive.


Quite frankly, at this point, I do not believe any New England victory since Bellecheat became coach is a legitimate victory. To me it is obvious that they are all tainted with one form of cheating or another. Fool me once, shame on me,. Fool me twice, shame on you.


Go Seattle.
 
Kreskin
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It seems odd to me that the league doesn't supply the balls.

I saw someone refer to Brady as Shady Brady lol.
 
gopher
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The NFL should employ full time referees so that every single part of the game can be fully under their control. This way the ball and all safety equipment can be fully inspected and used only if it passes every test at a 100% satisfactory rate.
 
Ludlow
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Man that's as bad as cutting the strings on a badmitton racket. They should be shot.
 
gopher
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Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

It seems odd to me that the league doesn't supply the balls.

I saw someone refer to Brady as Shady Brady lol.



Shady Brady & Belicheat = sounds like a Boston law firm.
 
Mowich
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Biggest game of the year for the NFL and the lead-up is mired in scandal, cheating and controversy. What a sad commentary on the state of the NFL.

Go Seattle Seahawks!
 
talloola
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this problem won't happen at the super bowl, nfl officials are in charge of 'all' the balls.

i listened to a fellow who played in the nfl for many years, and he said that it was obviously done
on purpose.

only the equipment man, the ball boy and the quarterback,and kicker interact concerning the balls, so
the quarterback instructed the ball boy, (who has the needle) to deflate to his liking, no one else
would have known.,
 
Mowich
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Quote: Originally Posted by talloolaView Post

this problem won't happen at the super bowl, nfl officials are in charge of 'all' the balls.

Too bad they didn't bother to do that a long time ago. I wonder if they will put cameras on the ball boys.
 
talloola
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Quote: Originally Posted by MowichView Post

Too bad they didn't bother to do that a long time ago. I wonder if they will put cameras on the ball boys.

i wonder.

i suppose, and would expect this scandal to create a new rule from now on At their league games, maybe
officials will have to inspect the balls periodically throughout the game.
 
gopher
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Fox sports interviewed several QBs on their tv show and all said they can immediately tell whether a ball has been doctored with. No surprise at all. Shady Brady is lying through his teeth when he pretends he did not know they were doctored.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

Fox sports interviewed several QBs on their tv show and all said they can immediately tell whether a ball has been doctored with. No surprise at all. Shady Brady is lying through his teeth when he pretends he did not know they were doctored.

Not being a football connoisseur I'd like to get one thing straightened out in my mind. Is not each game played with one ball that each team handles?
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Not being a football connoisseur I'd like to get one thing straightened out in my mind. Is not each game played with one ball that each team handles?

No. Each team brings 12 balls with the home team supplying an extra 12. When an offence comes on the field their ball is selected for play. When the other offence comes on, the other team gets their balls. The only way a team would touch the other teams balls is during an interception or fumble.
 
petros
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Kreskin
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Quote: Originally Posted by talloolaView Post

i wonder.

i suppose, and would expect this scandal to create a new rule from now on At their league games, maybe
officials will have to inspect the balls periodically throughout the game.

There were a few times during that game when the officials removed the ball and them replaced. The TV guys were speculating that the kicking balls were accidentally brought in. Turns out the officials were already smelling a rat.

I would love to see Seattle hand their asses to them.
 

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