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The possessor of right and excellent knowledge is God

Veda says that God is the infinite right knowledge

God is the excellent knowledge

The Author himself can alone give the correct sense of his own statement.


Veda says that God is the infinite right knowledge and that God is the excellent knowledge (Satyam Jnanam…, Prajnanam….). This does not mean that God is the knowledge itself. It only means that the possessor of right and excellent knowledge is God and such knowledge is His correct identification mark since it is His inseparable characteristic. If some body wears a red shirt always, the red shirt becomes his identity mark and you can call him as the red shirt like calling “Oh! Red shirt! Come here”. Gita gives clarification on this point, which says that the possessor of knowledge is God (Jnaanitvaatmaiava……). Since God enters the human being only, such identification is mentioned. The human being is always characterized by the knowledge. Knowledge is one sided characteristic of awareness. It means knowledge is always associated with awareness and awareness need not be associated always with knowledge.

An animal or bird has awareness but no knowledge. Therefore, you should not take awareness as the meaning of the words indicating knowledge in Veda like Jnanam and Prajnanam. This clarification is given in Gita, which says that God enters human body (Manusheem….). Hence, Gita always gives clarifications on Veda. Such correct clarification can be correctly clarified by the human incarnation only since the same God, who said Gita, can alone give the original sense of the text. The Author himself can alone give the correct sense of his own statement. Since, God is one and the same in all the human incarnations, any human incarnation can clarify the text said by any other human incarnation.

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The true knowledge about God


You should not say that God is incapable of preaching the characteristics of God and that it shows only the ignorance about God. Most of the people are thinking God as imaginable item like awareness, all pervading energy, visible light, inert matter etc. Negating all these possibilities and establishing the true unimaginable nature of God itself is the perfect and complete knowledge of God. By realizing completely that God is unimaginable, you have attained the true knowledge of God. Nobody other than God can understand God (Brahamavit Brahmaiva….Veda).

Therefore, God is not ignorant Himself. The inability to understand God belongs to the limited scope of intelligence of human being and it is not due to incapable explanation of God. A blind man can never see any object, however much it may be explained. The defect lies with the blind man and not with the preacher. The intelligence of any human being cannot cross the spatial dimensions and can never imagine God, the generator of space, existing beyond space without spatial dimensions. The reason for not understanding God is also clearly explained by God. Therefore, God is the best preacher of the ultimate truth and the main purpose of human incarnation is only to preach the true spiritual knowledge, which alone can save any human being in the ultimate sense.

At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

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If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God


You cannot please God by prayers and service simultaneously doing sins. If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God and you are insulting God. You cannot please and insult God simultaneously. Therefore, every devotee and servant of God should be careful about the concept of the sin and about the only path to cancel the sin.

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If you are not doing any sin, you are excused for all past sins


The results of all your good actions will be separate and will not interfere with the cancellation of sins. God will give you good results for all your prayers and any prayer will not cancel even a trace of your sin. Similarly, your charity.

If these good actions can reform you, then, your sins will be cancelled. Therefore, reformation of the soul is the only way by which God is pleased to cancel your sins. Even if you do not believe in God, it does not matter. If you are not doing any sin, you are excused for all past sins and you will live with immense happiness in the world and after death also.

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You are excused by God for the past sin provided…..

The only way to stop the punishment of sin


Realization is the process of effort to change the soul and reformation is the actual change of the soul. If the soul is reformed, the proof for it is that the sin is not practically repeated. If this result is achieved, there is no need of punishment. The punishment is not for the sake of past sin, since past is past. The punishment is only to change the soul so that in future the sin is not repeated.

The day you have stopped repeating the sin, you are excused by God for the past sin. This is the only way to stop the punishment of sin, which is in the form of problems of life. If you have stopped all the sins, your life will be the happiest and for this you need not pray even God. Prayer to God will not cancel even the trace of the sin.

Ravana prayed Lord Shiva in several ways, but, he could not escape the punishment of his sin. If you are committing sin, you are violating the word of God and going against the will of God. God wants you not to commit any sin. His word is the ethical scripture, which says that you should not commit any sin. The sin will disturb the balance of the society since it hurts the co-living beings.

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The unimaginable God has no spatial dimensions



Everything in this world which has spatial dimensions is imaginable. The spatial dimensions may be very minute but can be recorded through sophisticated instruments and thus the minute entity becomes imaginable. Only an entity not having any spatial dimension becomes unimaginable. Therefore, the reason for the unimaginable nature is only the absence of spatial dimensions. Such an entity must be beyond space.

The third phase is the process of creation of this Universe from such unimaginable entity. There is a logical necessity for the generator of the Universe, which essentially includes space, not to have the spatial dimensions. The logic in the generation processes of worldly items is that the cause exists even in the absence of the effect. The lump of mud exists even if the pot is absent.

The mud is the cause and pot is the effect. The imaginable entity having no spatial dimensions must be the cause of this Universe having spatial dimensions. The reason for this is that in the absence of the Universe, which means the absence of the space, the unimaginable entity having no spatial dimensions can exist. The absence of spatial dimension means the absence of space or Universe only. Therefore, the unimaginable God having no spatial dimensions must be the cause and the Universe or space having spatial dimensions must be the effect.

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Even if the space or universe disappears, the unimaginable God must be left over. Even if the pot is destroyed the mud is left over. The process of creation of this imaginable space or universe from the unimaginable God must be also unimaginable. The reason is that the process of generation of one imaginable item from another imaginable item is imaginable as we observe in the worldly processes like generation of pot from mud. In fact, space is subtle energy and is something. It is not vacuum which is nothing. Hence there is nothing like nothing.

The space bends around the boundaries of the object as per special theory of relativity. Nothing can bend. Something only bends. In Veda it is said that God created space in the beginning and in the same Veda it is also said that God created energy in the beginning. There is no contradiction because space is energy. All this is the spiritual knowledge about the absolute unimaginable God. This is the Brahma Jnana in nutshell.

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You should not blame God that He is unable to make us understand the unimaginable God. So far we are thinking that we are able to understand God after doing lot of penance. This wrong knowledge is removed by God and today, you understood that you can never understand God. This point is also supported by the absence of spatial dimensions of God.

By this, scientists need not think that the unimaginable God beyond space does not exist at all. The genuine miracles, which are unimaginable events, exhibited by unimaginable source called as God, establish the existence of unimaginable entity and it is supported by the point that such unimaginable God is beyond space being the creator of space.

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Upavasa (Fasting) means forgetting food, when you are immersed in God. (Upa = Near God, Vasa = Immersed). But today people are fasting by force, suffering with hunger. This is not Upavasa. When you do such fasting, Yogi Vemana says ‘Kuudu Vidachi Malamu Kudchura Upavasai’. This means a little excretory matter is left over in the digestive system after motion. When you fast the digestive system assimilates this little excretory matter. So on that fasting day, one has eaten the excretory matter instead of food! Similarly if you do not get sleep due to thinking of God, that is ‘Jagaranam’ (Not sleeping in the night. But people are stopping their sleep by force.

There should not be force to stop eating or sleeping. If they are stopped without force, automatically due to immersion in God and then only ‘Upavasa’ and ‘Jagaranam’ are fruitful. Aspiring some benefit, people are doing Upavasa and Jagaranam by force. Such acts are waste and useless. The right knowledge is necessary in any religious deed.



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Sin can be canceled only by reformation of the soul

Knowledge with top most intensity only can change the soul

The true knowledge which can be given by the human incarnation of God only


The sin can never be cancelled by any remedy except the realization and reformation of the soul. Realization comes through knowledge and the determination and subsequent practical implementation of knowledge brings reformation of the soul. Adhibhuta is the subject related to matter of human body. Adhidaiva is the subject related to energy of human body. Adhyaatma is the subject related to behavior and qualities of the soul, which is pure awareness. Knowledge is always inherently related to soul. With the help of knowledge you can change the states of matter and energy easily, but with lot of difficulty only you can change the state of soul since knowledge is inherently related to soul.

Knowledge with top most intensity only can change the soul. The intensity of knowledge increases as the knowledge is coming closer to the truth. The true knowledge means the knowledge that is totally identified with the truth, which can be given by the human incarnation of God only and hence Veda said that the true knowledge is the real inherent characteristic of God (Satyam Jnanam..).

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When God enters the human being, the soul becomes His slave and serves God. The main specific purpose is to clarify the doubts of devotees directly. The prophet or messenger brings the message of God and delivers it to the people without any change in it. Such messenger is the best. Some messengers change the message as per their liking. Therefore, the best is that God delivers the message directly to the people through the mouth of human incarnation.

Fortunately, Mohammad is the human incarnation and not simply the messenger and therefore the message, Q’ran, was not at all polluted. Similar is the case with Bible. There need not be any doubt about Gita since Krishna Himself declared as God. Even Buddha was a human incarnation and kept silent about the concept of human incarnation. In His time most of the people were atheists (Purvameemamsakas), who were even denying the existence of God and were involved in performing the sacrifices (Yajnas) to go to heaven for fulfilling their excess desires.

The atmosphere was not congenial even for introduction of concept of the existence of God. Therefore, Buddha kept silent about God and His silence was meaningful because the absolute unimaginable God cannot be explained by words. He concentrated on the eradication of desires, which will help in getting the grace of God through selfless service. This suppression of the fact in view of the prevailing atmosphere was mistaken by the followers, who thought that Buddha was an atheist. All the followers of Buddha became atheists, but they were developing some discipline over the controller of desire. A defect is allowed for some time in view of growing some merit. Even though atheism was allowed, the control of desire was achieved. A strong defect should not be contradicted in the beginning and it is better to concentrate on some other easier concept to be introduced.

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The reason your latest threads were merged was due to the fact that you made numerous threads when they were not necessary. You can post in this thread next time. That way the other members won't think you are spamming the forum.

And in case you didn't read the PM I sent you...stop posting the link, otherwise further punishment will occur.
 

dattaswami

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The absolute knowledge of the absolute God is impossible


The absolute knowledge of the absolute God is impossible because the absolute God is unimaginable. The absolute God comes in human form to give you the experience of His existence, in absence of which, you may deny the very existence of the absolute God and may become atheist (Astityeva….Veda). The identification of the human form in which the absolute God exists is the knowledge of God (Brahma Jnanam or Brahma Vidya).

The experience of the existence of the absolute God does not reveal any trace of the nature of the absolute God and hence God is always unimaginable. The only information about the absolute God is that God exists. “Aum Tat Sat” means that God exists and no more information about God is available. The word Tat means that God is beyond your imagination. The word Aum denotes that God is the creator, ruler and destroyer of this world. These three adjectives indicate the works (Creation, rule and destruction) of God only and not the nature of the God. This is called as the information about the existence only (Sanmatra vada). God comes in human form, which is characterized by the awareness or chit.

Why do not all see God?


[FONT=&quot]Nobody sees God. God is not touched even by imagination. How can we see God? God enters some medium and becomes visible through that medium (through Lord in human form or Son of God). Through that medium also you are experiencing only the existence God. Only experience of existence is possible. There is no way to see God directly. The current cannot be seen directly. When it flows in a wire only its existence can be experienced.[/FONT]

God is Unimaginable


O Learned and Devoted Servants of God,


The soul is imaginable item. It is a part of creation and creation is imaginable. The soul taken as basic inert energy can be seen by eyes with the help of powerful scientific instruments. The soul taken in the form of special work or transportation of information by special neuron cells can also be visualized. Thus, the soul taken in any form is visualized and hence, it cannot be the unimaginable God. The Veda (Drushyatetvagraya…) and the Gita (Pashyanti Jnanachakshushah…) clearly say that the soul can be visualized by Scholars or Scientists. God is beyond space and hence, can never be imagined even by intelligence (logic), which is highest faculty of Knowledge.

The human imagination can never go beyond space. Since God is the generator of space, God exists beyond space and can never be imagined. The miracles are the unimaginable incidents that indicate the unimaginable God. As long as an incident can be explained by scientific logic, nobody takes the name of God. The hot Sun light indicates the hot Sun. The cool moon light indicates the cool moon. Similarly, the unimaginable incident indicates the unimaginable God. The only available information about the nature of God is that God is unimaginable. Thus, when a person experiences the unimaginable miracle in the life, such experience can be treated as the experience of God. Unimaginable does not mean inexperienciable.

The faith in God becomes strongest and deepest after the experience of such unimaginable nature of God. Thick skinned people need intensive miracles. There are some people, who do not have skin at all and can never experience God like a stone. Such souls take the birth of inert objects and may serve the devotees for a possible change. A stone may serve a devotee standing on the wall of his house. Such service may bring change and may give a human birth again. God never condemns any soul forever. The father always tries throughout his life to change his child. The sensitive skin of a Scholar experiences God even through a light miracle. Scholars experience God through unimaginable parts of the already existing creation like seeing the unimaginable boundary of the Universe.

Such greatest Scholar does not need any other miracle. The importance of Cosmic Vision exhibited by the Lord is only indicating the existence of such unimaginable boundary of the creation (Nantosti mama divyanaam—Gita). Thus, for a real Scholar there is no need of a time bound miracle to take place. A human being always investigates the miracle to find out even a trace of possibility to interpret it through logic. The reasons for this are his ignorance about God and deep knowledge about creation. A devotee is quite reverse. He has deep knowledge about God and ignorance about the creation.

The reason your latest threads were merged was due to the fact that you made numerous threads when they were not necessary. You can post in this thread next time. That way the other members won't think you are spamming the forum.

And in case you didn't read the PM I sent you...stop posting the link, otherwise further punishment will occur.
I request you to read my post and comment on it....
 

dattaswami

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Why God keeps silent to somebody even after intensive cry?


Ans. A diabetic patient cries before a doctor to get a sweet for eating. The doctor has infinite number of sweets and he does not worry at all for giving a sweet to the patient. You are crying before God, who is the divine father (creator of all the souls) to give some wealth or to solve some problem. If He helps you, there is not even a trace of any personal loss to Him. Neither His wealth nor His power is finite and nor His love to souls is limited. The only factor that guides Him is to see the future position after the help. If your eyes are to climb the roof of your head after the help, God will keep silent. After the help you will fall down even from your present level and then you will cry again before the same God to lift you up.

If the doctor gives you the sweet, the level of sugar may go up and the emergent treatment is also the responsibility of the same doctor. Hence the doctor will not give you the sweet. If the doctor is confident of your health, he may give the sweet. Sometimes the doctor gives the sweet and conducts the emergent treatment to show you the truth, if you are scolding the doctor to be unkind. The response of the doctor lies on his analysis of the situation and it is not the subject of the patient at all. You must have the faith in the doctor (God) that any response is for your good only and you must know that the patient is ignorant of his own real welfare.

People have no faith in the existence of the very upper world!


Shankara told that one should not aspire the fruit either in this world or in the upper world for divine service done (Ihamutra Phalaviragah….). Today people have no faith in the existence of the very upper world! There is no point of fruit after death. There is no hell from which God can protect us. There is no heaven to receive any happiness after death. There is no Brahma Loka at all. Hence, people want fruits in this world itself. Some people are not sure of the fruit in this world also after doing the service. Hence, they say that if the fruit is given first, the service will be rendered after receiving the fruit. This shows the lack of confidence in God even in the business.

For some, the existence of God itself is doubtful and hence they require the fruit first and then only do some thing in return. Some say that if the fruit is given first, then they will favor God by believing Him. They feel that God wants to increase the percentage of believers in this world. They feel that if the percentage of believers is not maintained, God will loose His Supreme post! In spite of such mean and meaningless mentalities, God is responding to every trend because God is the divine Father and is always anxious of the eternal uplift of the souls. Except for this point, God has no other reason to respond to every attitude of such low levels.
 

dattaswami

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I'll go to any church that will find me a wealthy wife.

Why is there so much rush in temples? There is only one reason. People think that if they go to the temples they can escape from the difficulties, which are the fruits of their sins. They also think that they can get some benefits (which are the fruits of good deeds) for good deeds that they have not performed. Obviously this is not true.

The scriptures say “Avasyam Anubhoktavyam” which means that we must enjoy the fruits of our good and bad deeds. You cannot escape the result of your bad deeds and you cannot achieve the result of a good deed, which you have not done. One cannot escape the punishment given by the judge in the court. Similarly, you cannot escape the judgment of God. If this fact is written at the gates of the temple, nobody will enter the temple.
 

dattaswami

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He who is without Sin may cast the first stone....... Datta, if you use the bathroom, then you're sinning, so put that rock down and go play outside.
Spiritual standards have changed a lot

[FONT=&quot]Sage Parashara banned the Sanyasa (leaving the family wearing saffron cloth) in this Kali Yuga, since the mentalities of all the people is changed. The saint is cheating the public after teaching the spiritual knowledge. The public is also very much interested to investigate the real color of a false saint than to hear the spiritual knowledge. The devotee approaches the saint after hearing one speech, addressing him as God. The devotee does not stand on this opinion for a long time and changes very shortly. The devotee should take long time to observe the saint through analysis before addressing as God (Swami ji). Therefore, the standards are not maintained on both sides and hence the sage banned the saffron cloth.

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Spiritual standards have changed a lot

[FONT=&quot]Sage Parashara banned the Sanyasa (leaving the family wearing saffron cloth) in this Kali Yuga, since the mentalities of all the people is changed. The saint is cheating the public after teaching the spiritual knowledge. The public is also very much interested to investigate the real color of a false saint than to hear the spiritual knowledge. The devotee approaches the saint after hearing one speech, addressing him as God. The devotee does not stand on this opinion for a long time and changes very shortly. The devotee should take long time to observe the saint through analysis before addressing as God (Swami ji). Therefore, the standards are not maintained on both sides and hence the sage banned the saffron cloth. [/FONT]

Dude.... Modern English..... use it.

Why can't religious people just say what they want to say, rather then quoting or using some overly-convoluted & long-winded preach-quote that ends up meaning nothing?

Secondly, what does any of that have to do with what you quoted from me?

You were going on about sins and I replied back in relation to sins..... and now you went off on some tangent about Devotees and God.

You do realize that by just copy/pasting long winded religious dictations without real communication with others, will not magically suck in new recruits to your religion, let alone make you right?
 

dattaswami

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Dude.... Modern English..... use it.

Why can't religious people just say what they want to say, rather then quoting or using some overly-convoluted & long-winded preach-quote that ends up meaning nothing?

Secondly, what does any of that have to do with what you quoted from me?

You were going on about sins and I replied back in relation to sins..... and now you went off on some tangent about Devotees and God.

You do realize that by just copy/pasting long winded religious dictations without real communication with others, will not magically suck in new recruits to your religion, let alone make you right?
Even mental feeling is sin


The sin comes by the feeling itself. Mind is the main reason of the sin. The inert body without mind cannot have the sin.

Even though Sita was touched by Ravana through body, she was sinless as per the certificate given by the Fire god. Renuka was punished for her mental sin even though her body did not even touch the other person. In such case, can anyone say frankly that he or she is not a sinner at anytime of the life? I have to be very frank because the case that you have moved is very delicate and is of critical nature. I have to expose the facts of this case from all angles without any shy.
 

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When you drink the sweet water from the well of life, NEVER overfill your cup or spill what you don't drink on the ground.
 

dattaswami

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When you drink the sweet water from the well of life, NEVER overfill your cup or spill what you don't drink on the ground.
The administration of the country through Government and courts is integrated with the underlying invisible administration of God. Every judge on this earth is controlled by God who is the ultimate divine judge. Some times, the judge in the court is mislead and gives wrong judgment so that the sinner is benefited and a good fellow is put to loss. The reason for this is that the good fellow now was a sinner in the previous birth or in the earlier time of this birth and grabbed the money or some form of wealth like work of the present sinner. The wrong judgment did the final justice only by the will of God. The case is closed here. But if you are a devotee of God, you will be compensated with some wealth elsewhere.

You need not be upset with the wrong judgment because you are unaware of the complete background of the case. Your devotion to God has its own fruit separately and will not interfere with the judiciary system. The good and bad will have their own results separately and will not cancel each other. If good can cancel bad, every one will be tempted to do bad in a pressing situation so that it can be cancelled by doing some good later on. You expect to win the case in the court by your devotion to God. But the judgment of God has its own analysis and is not affected by any other factor except the strict procedure of the constitution of God for the deeds and their relevant fruits.

The administration of God is always without any blame and some times people criticize God blaming that God is sleeping. Actually your ignorance is your sleep and therefore you are blaming God without knowing the complete background. People expect practical results for theoretical devotion. They ask for large and thick bread by supplying a spoon of wet flour! Either the bread will be large and thin or the bread will be small and thick for flour. You are trying to soap God by flattering Him through prayers or by expressing your exceptional talent in begging (like crying etc.). God is aware of every thing and fools you in return by dragging the good fruits from the next birth with reduced value and giving them to you.
 

petros

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You are trying to soap God by flattering Him through prayers or by expressing your exceptional talent in begging (like crying etc.). God is aware of every thing and fools you in return by dragging the good fruits from the next birth with reduced value and giving them to you.
The NFL starts tonight. The prayer lines to God will be jammed solid.

They have high tech bazillion byte **** in Vegas that jams all other prayers.

 

DaSleeper

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They went into your feet, Until thy name: and his daughters, and the voice of his brethren, that day, that was turned to be brought it that he and Shimron. And he knew them, saying, Have prevailed upon Abram; and, behold, it in a token of the midwives feared to pass, when a man found her; And the earth was evening and also our father unto her, Two nations divided in cattle, and said, Because the land.

And they brother Jacob. And they came in the hastily out at the place for the earth: and her name of his old when he gave names of spirit, and Benjamin; and Arpachshad lived a well. And, behold, I will make thee every tree yielding seed have I had made war with thy people out thy camels drink also. And Joseph came into the man, whose nostrils was no man called she ran to be filled, and Shaul of Joseph, saying, The name was uncovered within the Horites, according as they drew near the seven years of these are thine. And I will surely die.

And Pharaoh called his terror and ye sold his wives with dances. And moreover unto his dream which I will not redeem with the Perizzite, and my charge, my people were in the famine came, and the night: the same day of the calf tender and go, and she also were a ram caught him unto the God hath found them alive with their portion of Goshen; and to carry up after the waters, and Enoch was born in the fifty righteous: wilt diligently hearken unto Joseph, saying, This is in mount of Cush: Seba, and Javan, and Mizpah, for me, saying, Tamar thy grass, herbs yielding seed shall be servants was before the vale of Seir. And I have sinned this is known. Now therefore forgive, I have seen their father's house, saying, Behold, I should leave one that feared God, Oh let your seed after thy wind, which followeth; for a stone. Thy brother came from me unto thee, neither plowing nor with frogs: and he came in thy servants digged in the eyes of my covenant, which is done unto him.

For I pray thee, of Jehovah concerning this wilderness, and fat kine. So Esau heard the sons of Naphtali: Jahzeel, bricks, [your] daily tasks, as God of the famine in the morning arose, then will fully requite us go, that it come unto Jehovah: and have pleasure, my lord, hearken unto thee now, do for an ordinance for your houses: and Rachel his kingdom was wandering in the horses, his covenant will fetch me before thine only unto thee, three flocks gathered. And he said, She said unto thine anger burn them into Pharaoh's house, and called his garments, and his thigh. And Jacob said unto me. For he took Dinah out the earth. And Laban doeth unto the Egyptian.
 

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Even mental feeling is sin

The sin comes by the feeling itself. Mind is the main reason of the sin. The inert body without mind cannot have the sin.

Even though Sita was touched by Ravana through body, she was sinless as per the certificate given by the Fire god. Renuka was punished for her mental sin even though her body did not even touch the other person. In such case, can anyone say frankly that he or she is not a sinner at anytime of the life? I have to be very frank because the case that you have moved is very delicate and is of critical nature. I have to expose the facts of this case from all angles without any shy.

Well that's all nice and stuff, but again..... you didn't answer my questions/concerns previously posted..... in fact, you're not addressing anybody in here and just unloading more and more dictations.

In other words, there is no debate.... just dictation.

If you don't want a debate, then why start a thread?

If you're going to just dictate religious dogma, why don't you create a blog instead?

All you're doing at this point is wasting all our time and unknowingly wasting your own....... and if you're going to just ignore what everybody else is saying/posting and just content with copy/pasting walls of religious finger-pointing...... then the only logical reason why I can think you're even posting in here is to either troll..... or to somehow pimp out your religious beliefs in order to recruit members into your obscure little cult.

I'm sure there's a forum rule violation amongst all of that somewhere.

Once again, last I checked this was a Debate Forum, not a "Share your Religious Guilt Trips" sing-a-long.

Book of the dead. It has the Ten Commandments of Thutmosis too.

You mean this book right?

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