Vatican ethics expert Ignacio Carrasco de Paula slams Nobel Prize for IVF pioneer
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Not surprising, but also completely irrelevant to me. I don't care what this guy thinks of IVF, any more than I care what the head of the local Rotary Club thinks.
does anyone care what anyone obsessed with pedophilia thinks?
As for the topic at hand...
I have a hard time condemning IVF treatments despite the destruction of embryos, when it leads to life that would not exist without it. Those embryos would not have existed anyhow. It interferes with the 'natural' plan, yes, but to create, not destroy. I wouldn't begrudge him his reward for building families and lives.
As for the topic at hand...
I have a hard time condemning IVF treatments despite the destruction of embryos, when it leads to life that would not exist without it. Those embryos would not have existed anyhow. It interferes with the 'natural' plan, yes, but to create, not destroy. I wouldn't begrudge him his reward for building families and lives.
What? The Catholic Church, that bastion of scientific, social, and political development disapproves of another medical advancement? I guess we better shut down all of our fertility clinics right away; just as soon as the church deals appropriately with its disfunctional male-dominated internal structure.
The Vatican and Ethics mentioned in the same sentence that is
very strange indeed. The Vatican has spent itself as an influential
for in the world. They have even ticked off the Catholics in Cape
Breton. That is a major event by the way. I think the churches all
of them of any denomination that engaged in sex abuse should
have their doors closed and sold to pay for their crimes. Now that
would be ethical. It is time for churches to but out of commenting
on anything to do with ethics.
very strange indeed. The Vatican has spent itself as an influential
for in the world. They have even ticked off the Catholics in Cape
Breton. That is a major event by the way. I think the churches all
of them of any denomination that engaged in sex abuse should
have their doors closed and sold to pay for their crimes. Now that
would be ethical. It is time for churches to but out of commenting
on anything to do with ethics.
"Vatican ethics expert": isn't that an oxymoron?
But, to be fair, can we stop dragging in the pedophile issue on everything involving religious organizations, individuals and institutions (other religions were involved too)? Often, IMHO, it detracts from the opportunity for an open debate. On this issue, which is volatile in and of itself, it's pretty off-topic, no? Just IMO, YMMV....
But, to be fair, can we stop dragging in the pedophile issue on everything involving religious organizations, individuals and institutions (other religions were involved too)? Often, IMHO, it detracts from the opportunity for an open debate. On this issue, which is volatile in and of itself, it's pretty off-topic, no? Just IMO, YMMV....
The original test tube baby also offered her congratulations.
"It's fantastic news. Me and mum are so glad that one of the pioneers of IVF has been given the recognition he deserves," said Louise Brown.
"We hold Bob in great affection and are delighted to send our personal congratulations to him and his family at this time."
This kinda says it all. The morals of it are between the mother and the doctor, just like abortion. One is the other side of the same coin.
"It's fantastic news. Me and mum are so glad that one of the pioneers of IVF has been given the recognition he deserves," said Louise Brown.
"We hold Bob in great affection and are delighted to send our personal congratulations to him and his family at this time."
This kinda says it all. The morals of it are between the mother and the doctor, just like abortion. One is the other side of the same coin.
The thing that perplexed me was his opposition because of all the hypothetical embryos that will "Die" in the process..... yet seems to ignore the fact that without this process, there'd be a good % of the population around the world today that would not exist...... a % of God's creatures brought into this world by people who wanted to love and care for these new creations of God's image...... where if this process never existed in the first place, perhaps a number of people he himself knows and perhaps calls a friend may never have existed.
..... but since he never had any 1st hand experience in what this process actually does for the person being created and those around them to raise them and care for them..... he can easily focus on the aspect of these unknown embryos which aren't even human beings in the first place, dying/being destroyed.......
Rather then focusing on all those dead or never born..... where is this idiot's ethics towards focusing on those currently living and alive who really need the attention, protection and care?
Besides, depending on who's religion you look at, sticking a penis into a vagina to produce an offspring is dirty and a sin...... so one would think this process would please those people.
You do one thing to please a religious mind and then suddenly you're doing something else that offends their senses...... once there's one thing no longer to complain about, there'll always be something else soon enough..... eventually to the point of contradiction, which will soon enough lead to implosion of the skull.
..... but since he never had any 1st hand experience in what this process actually does for the person being created and those around them to raise them and care for them..... he can easily focus on the aspect of these unknown embryos which aren't even human beings in the first place, dying/being destroyed.......
Rather then focusing on all those dead or never born..... where is this idiot's ethics towards focusing on those currently living and alive who really need the attention, protection and care?
Besides, depending on who's religion you look at, sticking a penis into a vagina to produce an offspring is dirty and a sin...... so one would think this process would please those people.
You do one thing to please a religious mind and then suddenly you're doing something else that offends their senses...... once there's one thing no longer to complain about, there'll always be something else soon enough..... eventually to the point of contradiction, which will soon enough lead to implosion of the skull.
I know a religious person who worked as an embryologist and a stemcell biologist (non-human embryo stemcells) for Bob Edwards. He has nothing but good things to say about Edwards. If he had felt anything was remotely unethical about what they were doing at Bourne Hall clinic and Cambridge University he'd have been the first to jump ship.
I'm a little biased because we have a child through IVF. I have great admiration for most of the professionals in the industry. I also like that IVF brings wanted children into the world.
Now, if Edwards can find a way to do it cheaper we'll give him another Nobel.
I'm a little biased because we have a child through IVF. I have great admiration for most of the professionals in the industry. I also like that IVF brings wanted children into the world.
Now, if Edwards can find a way to do it cheaper we'll give him another Nobel.
This youtube has a really good interview on the topic of religious objection.
YouTube - In Vitro Fertilization Pioneer, Robert Edwards, Awarded Nobel Prize
On a side note, do you have to be alive to get the Nobel prize awarded? If I was part of the Steptoe family I'd feel somewhat disappointed that this wasn't a joint award.
YouTube - In Vitro Fertilization Pioneer, Robert Edwards, Awarded Nobel Prize
On a side note, do you have to be alive to get the Nobel prize awarded? If I was part of the Steptoe family I'd feel somewhat disappointed that this wasn't a joint award.
The Vatican does have an ethical concern that we could head down the 'slippery slope ' of expendable ethics.
BTW, could we STOP having every discussion on the catholic church head back to pedophilia? It was a nasty series of episodes- but deal with it in its own topic and terms.
unless we are just being, well, kiddie voyeurs.
"Vatican ethics?" Isn't that a bit like "military intelligence" or "Congressional action" or "honest lawyer?"
Now I know I support IVF. The Catholic church has been on the wrong side of every moral issue for the last 1000 years.
Now I know I support IVF. The Catholic church has been on the wrong side of every moral issue for the last 1000 years.
I think so... That is when she wasn't busy standing in line at the bank cashing welfare cheques
She'd be able to have someone else write another book for her... Maybe the talk-show circuit as well