The response to the apostle

[eanassir]

The response to the apostle

When people fall in the wrong-doing of each other, and in the social corruption, this will lead to their --> misguidance: God misguides them and let Satan have control over them.

Then they will deserve --> the punishment, but prior to their punishment: God will send them an apostle.

The apostle will come principally to preach the First Commandment that God is One without associate, and that people should be just and behave with good manner and avoid the bad conduct and bad habits.

The apostle is usually sent when people deviates from the principle of the First Commandment: they fall in the idolatry or the enthusiasm about their religious figures and associate them with God: as patron saints and patron imams.

So when the apostle starts his mission, people will divide into two main parties:
#the kind-hearted will respond to the apostle and will believe and then they will be saved;

#while wrong-doers will react in the opposite way and will contradict the apostle and oppose him.

This is in the Quran 6: 48-49
وَمَا نُرْسِلُ الْمُرْسَلِينَ إِلاَّ مُبَشِّرِينَ وَمُنذِرِينَ فَمَنْ آمَنَ وَأَصْلَحَ فَلاَ خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلاَ هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ . وَالَّذِينَ كَذَّبُواْ بِآيَاتِنَا يَمَسُّهُمُ الْعَذَابُ بِمَا كَانُواْ يَفْسُقُونَ

The explanation:
(We do not send the Envoys [: the apostles] but only as:
good tidings to bear [of Paradise for those who believe],
and warners [of fire for the idolaters and associaters];

>> whoever believes and makes amends – no fear [of devils] shall be on them [in the afterlife] , neither shall they sorrow [for leaving the life of the World].


>> But those who deny Our signs – the torment shall touch them [in the afterlife] because of their disobedience.)

Quran Interpretation​

 

[Dexter Sinister]

God misguides them...

...when he could have helped them. And you wonder why I'm so critical of your arguments? You can't even see the fundamental illogic of your position. God chooses to condemn people by deliberately misleading them into behaviours worthy of condemnation according to his rules, you've said that repeatedly. They have no choice in the matter yet he blames them for what he's made them do. That's contemptible. I'll take my chances in Hell before I'll worship a malevolent pervert like that.

 

[eanassir]

...when he could have helped them. And you wonder why I'm so critical of your arguments? You can't even see the fundamental illogic of your position. God chooses to condemn people by deliberately misleading them into behaviours worthy of condemnation according to his rules, you've said that repeatedly. They have no choice in the matter yet he blames them for what he's made them do. That's contemptible. I'll take my chances in Hell before I'll worship a malevolent pervert like that.

Dexter, you are scientific minded: I didn't say that.I have to leave now.The thing is that people starts to contradict the good and righteous teachings of their apostle: such teachings which had been revealed to thier apostle in the past: the following generation will start to contradict the teachings of the apostle which are essentially the Commandments of God: so they transgress on the rights of the weak: like the orphan, the widow, the poor and the needy --> and here God dislikes the wrong-doer and will misguide them and set Satan on them and they will be confused.So now they deserve the punishment of extermination: but He gives them a last chance by sending a new apostle.The apostle will start preaching the First Commandment and the other commandments and to be just which will be to their advantage.And now they will divide: most of them will usually deny and will be exterminated, and the minority who kept on their steadfastness and kindness will respond and will be saved.This is the story in general and the details will come soon and BTW I don't know why ((the HTML is off)) for my posts especially these later days? So that there is much difficulty for me to send the message as hsd I done before in this forum !?

 

[darkbeaver]

I understood what you wrote as you meant it EA. (Dexter, you are scientific minded) <---- You EA have been tricked by Satan, sinister preaches a false demonic science. He is as religious as you are but opposite.

 

[eanassir]

I understood what you wrote as you meant it EA. (Dexter, you are scientific minded) <---- You EA have been tricked by Satan, sinister preaches a false demonic science. He is as religious as you are but opposite.

What is this DB? :lol:

Certainly Dexter is a scientific man and qualified, but I think he is stuck to the lectures and textbooks, and he considers it his responsibility to refute anything does not go along with such lectures and textbooks.
And about his language, it is very good and I benefited much from that.

From the other aspect, the electricity is manifest in all the universe, but I think the heat, as expressed by Abu Abd-Allah is more correct explanation: See what he says, this ungraduated (but certainly educated) man:

The Universe and the Quran 2
The Universe and the Quran 2
The Universe and the Quran 2

 

[eanassir]

Noah is an example
He was sent to his people a very long time before the Christ: before Moses and before Abraham.
Noah invited his people to worship God alone and to leave all their idols. He kept up inviting them and speaking to them day and night, secretly and publicly until he was desperate of their believing:

((We sent Noah to his people; and he said: "O my people,
>> serve God! You have no god other than He;
>> truly, I fear for you the doom of a dreadful day [if you keep up on your idolatry and blasphemy]."​

Said the chiefs of his people: "We see you in manifest error."​

Said he: "My people, I have not been misguided, but I am a messenger from the Lord of the worlds."​

I convey to you the messages of my Lord, and I am sincere to you [with words and work], and I know from God [by revelation] that which you do not know, [so follow my words, and do not contradict my saying.]"​

"Do you wonder that an admonition from your Lord should come to you by [the lips of] a man from among you? That he may warn you [of worshipping idols], and that you should ward off [the disobedience of] God, and haply to find mercy.​

But they cried him lies, so We delivered him and those [who believed] with him in the Ark, and We drowned those who cried lies to our signs; assuredly they were a blind people.))​

The above was the explanation of the ayat in the Quran 7: 59-64​

لَقَدْ أَرْسَلْنَا نُوحًا إِلَى قَوْمِهِ فَقَالَ يَا قَوْمِ اعْبُدُواْ اللَّهَ مَا لَكُم مِّنْ إِلَـهٍ غَيْرُهُ إِنِّيَ أَخَافُ عَلَيْكُمْ عَذَابَ يَوْمٍ عَظِيمٍ ..الخ​

So he invited them to worship God alone and warned them against the day of their punishment if they keep on their idolatry. But they denied and unbelieved him. So they were drowned in the flood, while Noah and the believers with him were saved in the Ark. ​

http://www.quran-ayat.com​

 

[Cliffy]

So now they deserve the punishment of extermination: but He gives them a last chance by sending a new apostle.The apostle will start preaching the First Commandment and the other commandments and to be just which will be to their advantage.And now they will divide: most of them will usually deny and will be exterminated, and the minority who kept on their steadfastness and kindness will respond and will be saved.

So, people eventually move away from the teachings of the apostle so god has to send another apostle to give them a last chance. According to you, many Muslims have moved away from the teachings of Mohamed and are now idolaters and worship by association. After Jesus it took 600 years before god sent Mohamed because people no longer followed the teachings of Jesus to the letter. It has been 1400 years since Mohamed and you say the same thing has happened. My question is, why can't you believe that another apostle has been sent to the Muslim world to give them a last chance to save themselves from their wrong ways of worship? Why can't Muslims accept Bahá’u’lláh as such an apostle?

 

[darkbeaver]

What is this DB? :lol:

Certainly Dexter is a scientific man and qualified, but I think he is stuck to the lectures and textbooks, and he considers it his responsibility to refute anything does not go along with such lectures and textbooks.
And about his language, it is very good and I benefited much from that.

From the other aspect, the electricity is manifest in all the universe, but I think the heat, as expressed by Abu Abd-Allah is more correct explanation: See what he says, this ungraduated (but certainly educated) man:

The Universe and the Quran 2
The Universe and the Quran 2
The Universe and the Quran 2

Heat is a product of electricity. And Sinister is a numbers Demon.

 

[eanassir]

So, people eventually move away from the teachings of the apostle so god has to send another apostle to give them a last chance. According to you, many Muslims have moved away from the teachings of Mohamed and are now idolaters and worship by association. After Jesus it took 600 years before god sent Mohamed because people no longer followed the teachings of Jesus to the letter. It has been 1400 years since Mohamed and you say the same thing has happened. My question is, why can't you believe that another apostle has been sent to the Muslim world to give them a last chance to save themselves from their wrong ways of worship? Why can't Muslims accept Bahá’u’lláh as such an apostle?

You can discover the right answer if you ask yourself why do you like the Bahai and dislike the Islam; just as do I dislike the Bahai and like the Islam :idea:

 

[Cliffy]

You can discover the right answer if you ask yourself why do you like the Bahai and dislike the Islam; just as do I dislike the Bahai and like the Islam :idea:

Bah'ai faith is tolerant of all religions and even read from all the holy books of the world. They accept that all religious thought comes from the same source. Islam is a closed circuit. It is their way or "get out of the way!" Bah'ais are pacifists, Muslim kill Muslims (and anybody else they disagree with). Are you starting to get a picture.

The Bah'ai faith was born out of Islam. It is an update on a 1400 year old and corrupted religion. I am not a Bah'ai but I know quite a few of them and they are some of the most gentle and peaceful people I have ever met. If you weren't so brainwashed, you might look at it and see that tolerance is a much greater virtue than condemning everybody who disagrees with your point of view.

 

[eanassir]

Heat is a product of electricity. And Sinister is a numbers Demon.

Both electricity and heat are some kind of energy.
But the heat can easily be detected and more obviously demonstrated in the objects of the universe.

Moreover, the heat is not the primary cause of the gravity and the spinning of the hot object around itself, but the heat is the product of the movement of the particles around the nucleus of the object like the sun or the earth.

 

[eanassir]

Bah'ai faith is tolerant of all religions and even read from all the holy books of the world. They accept that all religious thought comes from the same source. Islam is a closed circuit. It is their way or "get out of the way!" Bah'ais are pacifists, Muslim kill Muslims (and anybody else they disagree with). Are you starting to get a picture.

The Bah'ai faith was born out of Islam. It is an update on a 1400 year old and corrupted religion. I am not a Bah'ai but I know quite a few of them and they are some of the most gentle and peaceful people I have ever met. If you weren't so brainwashed, you might look at it and see that tolerance is a much greater virtue than condemning everybody who disagrees with your point of view.

This proves what I said in the previous reply. And because you incline to it and your soul see it fair, I also dislike it for the same reason; this means because you like it I dislike it, and what you dislike I shall be pleased with and like it.
In other words, what pleases God, it is my happiness, and will enrage the devil; and vice versa. :smile:

The explanation of this: You like the Bahai because you see it some way to distort the Islam religion.

 

[eanassir]

The difference is that the Quran is kept without distortion, while the previous books have been altered. This lead to the distortion of the religious principles and rites and laws included in the previous heavenly books.

So the defect in the previous religions: the Judaism and Christianity, is in the principles and basic rules, which lead to deviation of peoples of these religions from the original teachings of the religion of God.

While as regards to the Quran: its principles are preserved, so the defect of Muslims is primarily in their deviation from the Quran itself, which is kept and preserved without alteration.

 

[darkbeaver]

Electric heat is very popular all over the universe. In the beginning let there be light God said. Blaspheme God by doubting wether or not he would select the very much better electric heat over some old rusty leaking nuclear furnace model.

So to make heat through friction, by moving a planet around the sun, space must be offering the resistance of electromagnetic fields, maybe. We know that light carries heat in waves and we know that both electricity and magnetism travel in wave fields they carry a lot more heat than light does. IMO

 

[Cliffy]

This proves what I said in the previous reply. And because you incline to it and your soul see it fair, I also dislike it for the same reason; this means because you like it I dislike it, and what you dislike I shall be pleased with and like it.
In other words, what pleases God, it is my happiness, and will enrage the devil; and vice versa. :smile:

The explanation of this: You like the Bahai because you see it some way to distort the Islam religion.

You are a very strange person. You dislike Bah'ai because I like it! You dislike it because it is fair! You like the idea that Muslims kill Muslims because it is not fair. I am beyond perplexed by such ridiculous statements.

 

[eanassir]

Electric heat is very popular all over the universe. In the beginning let there be light God said. Blaspheme God by doubting wether or not he would select the very much better electric heat over some old rusty leaking nuclear furnace model.

So to make heat through friction, by moving a planet around the sun, space must be offering the resistance of electromagnetic fields, maybe. We know that light carries heat in waves and we know that both electricity and magnetism travel in wave fields they carry a lot more heat than light does. IMO

DB, these kinds of energy are intermingled with each other, and as the interpreter said the heat is not the primary reason: there is the movement of the particles and the positive and negative currents.

But he said: the indicative or distinguishing mark of the "life" or "death" of the celestial objects is the heat.

So that any hot object is alive, and will rotate around itself and will attract the objects nearby to it if these objects are less than it in heat.

The Universe and the Quran 2

 

[eanassir]

You like the idea that Muslims kill Muslims because it is not fair.

Not at all; I dislike the idea that Muslims kill Muslims, and the idea of killing the innocent whether he be a Muslim or not Muslim.

 

[Cliffy]

Not at all; I dislike the idea that Muslims kill Muslims, and the idea of killing the innocent whether he be a Muslim or not Muslim.

Doesn't that seem to you to be the biggest perversion of Islam today? That is why I see your aversion to Baha'i rather perplexing. Have you ever looked at the faith objectively or do you just dismiss it out of ignorance? I don't know that much about either faith, but my understanding is that the Baha'i faith is an update of Islam.

 

[eanassir]

Another display of Noah's people

((We sent Noah to his people [saying:] "I have come to you as a warner [against idolatry], evident [by my obvious and manifest signs.]"
"[So] serve you none but God. I fear for you the retribution of a painful day [: of their drowning.]"

Said the chiefs – of his people – who unbelieved: "We see you [Noah] not other than a mortal like ourselves [and you are not an angel], and we see not any following you but the vilest of us [but not the chiefs and the rich], with an obvious purpose [: that you may give them money.]

He said: "My people tell me your opinion: that if I rely on an obvious [guidance depending on revelation] from my Lord, and He gave to me [the prophethood as] a blessing from Him, and it has been obscured for you [so you have denied it, then what will your fate be?] and shall we compel you to [recognize] it, the while to it you are averse?"

"O my people, I do not ask of you any recompense concerning the [conveying of the message]; my recompense is only due of God. I will not drive away those who believe; they shall surely meet their Lord [and complain to Him against me if I drive them away.] But I see you are a people ignorant [of the final consequences.]"

"O my people, who will save me from God['s punishment], if I drive them away? Will you not then be admonished!?"

"I do not say to you: "I possess the treasuries of God"; I know not the [knowledge of the] Forefuture; and I do not say: "I am an angel." Nor do I say, about those [poor] your eyes despise, that God will not give them any good; God knows best what is in their souls. Surely in that case I should be one of the wrong-doers."

They said: "O Noah, you have disputed with us and prolonged the disputation with us; now bring upon us [the torment] that you threaten us with, if you speak truly."

He said: "It is only God Who may bring it on you if He wills; when – then – you will never escape [from Him.]"

"And my sincere advising will not profit you, if I desire to advise you [more than that I have advised you], if God wills to pervert you [because of your wrong-doing]; He is your Lord, and to His [sentence] you will be returned [after your death.]"

Or do they say: "He [: Mohammed] has forged it [: the Quran]"?
Say [Mohammed to them]: "If I have forged it, my sin is my responsibility, and I am quit of the sins you have done [: when you have ascribed daughters to God.]"

And it was revealed to Noah [the word of God:] "None of your people shall henceforward believe but he who has already believed; so grieve not over that they are doing."

"But build the Ark under Our observation and as We instruct you by revelation, and address Me not on behalf of the wrong-doers [that I may pardon them, and do not intercede for them]; surely they are going to be drowned."

So he [and his comrades] were building the Ark; and whenever a council of his people [who unbelieved] passed by [Noah] they scoffed at him.
He said: "If you scoff at us [this day], we shall surely scoff at you [in the future], as you scoff [this day.]"

"But soon you will come to know [the consequences of your ridicule, and] to whom will come a chastisement degrading him [in this World], and upon whom there shall settle a lasting chastisement [in the afterlife.]"

[Thus it was] till, when Our decree [of exterminating his people] came to pass, and the 'clay oven of baking' gushed forth [water], We said [to Noah]: "Carry in the [Ark] of each [kind of cattle, animals and birds] two spouses [male and female] and your family members [: his wife, his three sons and their wives] – save those [: his betraying second wife and his son: Canaan] against whom the word has already been decided [by the Lord] – and [carry in the Ark] those who believe", and there believed not with him except a few.

[Noah] said [to the believers]: "Embark in the [Ark!] In God's name [we start at the beginning of] its course and [at the time of] its berthing. Surely my Lord is Most Forgiving [for us concerning our past sins], Most Merciful [to us by saving us from the drowning.]"

[Noah and his grandson: Canaan]
So the [Ark] ran with them amid waves [as high] as mountains,

and Noah called out to [Canaan] his son who had isolated himself [from the Ark and from his father's comrades]: "My son, embark [in the Ark] with us, and stay not with the unbelievers [for then you will be drowned.]"

He said: "I shall resort to some mountain that will save me from [drowning in] the water."

[Noah] said: "This day there is nothing that can save from God's decree [concerning the downing of the unbelievers] except any on whom [God] has had mercy [by guiding him to believe.]"

And the wave came between them [: Noah and his son], so his [son] was among the drowned [in the water.]

And it was said [by the angels]:
"Earth, swallow your waters [so the waters went inside the earth, some went into the rivers and seas, and some evaporated];
and sky, be cleared [of clouds, and cease raining]!"
And the waters [on the surface of the earth] were made to subside.
And the affair [of their drowning] was concluded.
And the [Ark] settled upon the [mount] Judi [in the Ararat range],
and it was said [by Noah and those with him]: "Away with the people of the wrong-doers."

[The prayer of Noah, about his son, was refused]
And Noah called unto his Lord, and said: "O my Lord, my son is one of my family members [whom You promised me to save from the drowning], and Your promise [concerning their saving from the drowning] is surely true [that will not be broken.] You are the Most Wise of those that decide affairs.

[God] said: "O Noah, he is not one of your family members [whom I promised you to save]; this [your request to save your son] is unrighteous deed; so ask Me not about that which you have no knowledge [concerning the deeds of Canaan.] I admonish you that you should not be [one] of the ignorant."

[Noah] said: "My Lord, I take refuge with Thee, lest I should ask Thee for that of which I have no knowledge, and unless Thou forgive me and have mercy on me, I should indeed be of those who lose [in the Hereafter.]"

[Then after the ship settled on the mountain,] it was said [by the angels]:
"O Noah, descend [from the mountain to the plain land] in safety [granted] by Us, and blessings on you and on [some] nations of those [of the black and yellow races] who are with you [in the Ark],
but [some other] nations [in other countries of the earth that the deluge did not reach], We shall allow them to enjoy prosperity [with wealth and children in the life of the World] and then there will touch them from Us a painful torment [according to their association and infidelity.]

These [stories and tidings] are [some] of the tidings of 'the Unseen (or Unknown)' which We reveal to you [Mohammed]; you did not know them, neither did your people, before this [revelation]; so be patient [concerning the hurt of your people, O Mohammed; as was Noah patient concerning the hurt of his people]; surely, the [best] final sequel will be for those who ward off [God's punishment by obeying Him.] ))

The above is in the Quran 11: 25-49​

وَلَقَدْ أَرْسَلْنَا نُوحًا إِلَى قَوْمِهِ إِنِّي لَكُمْ نَذِيرٌ مُّبِينٌ ..الخ​

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So Noah invited his people to worship God alone and warned them of their punishment if they insist on their idolatry; but their response was almost only ridicule and mockery and disbelief; and only a very little number of them believed and were saved with Noah in the Ark.

http://www.quran-ayat.com​

 

[Dexter Sinister]

...Sinister is a numbers Demon.

Beave, when you're doing science, if you can't put numbers on things you really can't know very much about what you're doing.