Finally a decent discussion, for the most part a whole lot less "religion bashing". The reason I used faith as the basis of hope and reason is the following...
When we process information it is first gathered or perceived. Compiled in appropriate places in the mind AND soul, it is thereafter recalled in faith, by hope, that limited reason will prove it be valuable for broadening of the intellect.
Reason is therefore not the be all and end all of intellect, scientifically proven or not.
Scientific thinking or reasoning, proves, reproves and disproves fact "continuously" as theory over the ages. I don't have to remind you as to why even "the sun comes up". Did the sun come around the earth, of course it did... at one event at a time, through faith we "knew" the sun was coming up, therefore there was hope for the end of darkness! Did the sun EVER travel around the earth? Reason said yes, until it was dis-proven, by much later, scientific fact.
Star navigation, on land or sea, was a matter of "faith" at first, followed by generations of "hope" that it would offer repeatable, reliable for success as limited fact- for centuries, then and only then was it classified as to being a "reason-able" fact. This was true for centuries until the development of the compass which became even more reliable, but first developed by faith, ONLY then with "renewable hope" for greater success did it arrive at natural "reason".
Religious, or spiritual faith, looked at in the broadest sense, in its base form therefore "must" give birth to hope and a renewable reliability, only then- once reliable- does it become a "reason"able fact. A scientific repeatable fact over time may be reshaped, dis-proven perhaps, again and again over centuries.
Faith is always the mustard seed of hope, and only thereafter reason.
A wise man once said:"
"If ye had the faith of a mustard seed you could tell this sea to calm, this storm to cease".
May His Peace be yours today:fish:
