A new definition of magic?

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[FONT=verdana,geneva]The World of Jinn [/FONT]
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[FONT=verdana,geneva]TYPES OF JINN[/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana,geneva]Allah (swt) has created different types of jinn. Among them are some who can take on different forms, such as dogs and snakes; some who are like flying winds with wings; and some can travel and rest. Sayyidna Abu Tha'labah al-Khushani (ra) said: "The messenger of Allah (saw) said: The jinn are of three types: a type that has wings, and they fly through the air; a type that looks like snakes and dogs; and a type that stops for a rest then resumes its journey". (Reported by at-Tahhawi in Mushkil al-Aathar, 4/95, and by al-Tabarani in al-Kabeer, 22/214. with a saheeh isnad) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,geneva]THEIR POWERS[/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana,geneva]Allah (swt) has given the jinn powers that he has not given to humans. Allah (swt) has told us about some of their powers, such as the ability to move and travel quickly. An ‘ifreet from among the jinn guaranteed to the Prophet Sulayman (as) that he would bring the throne of the Queen of Yemen to Jerusalem in a moment faster than that needed for a man to get up from where he is sitting. Allah (swt) says:[/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana,geneva][FONT=courier new,courier]قَالَ عِفْريتٌ مِنَ الْجِنِّ أَنَا آتِيكَ بِهِ قَبْلَ أَنْ تَقُومَ مِنْ مَقَامِكَ وَإِنِّي عَلَيْهِ لَقَوِيٌّ أَمِينٌ[/FONT] [/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana,geneva]"An ‘Ifrit (strong one) from the jinn said: ‘I will bring it to you before you rise from your place (council). And verily, I am indeed strong and trustworthy for such work'." (27:39) [/FONT]
[FONT=courier new,courier]قَالَ الَّذِي عِنْدَهُ عِلْمٌ مِنَ الْكِتَابِ أَنَا آتِيكَ بِهِ قَبْلَ أَنْ يَرْتَدَّ إِلَيْكَ طَرْفُكَ فَلَمَّا رَآهُ مُسْتَقِرًّا عِنْدَهُ قَالَ هَذَا مِنْ فَضْلِ رَبِّي لِيَبْلُوَنِي أَأَشْكُرُ أَمْ أَكْفُرُ وَمَنْ شَكَرَ فَإِنَّمَا يَشْكُرُ لِنَفْسِهِ وَمَنْ كَفَرَ فَإِنَّ رَبِّي غَنِيٌّ كَرِيمٌ [/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana,geneva]"One with whom was knowledge of the Scripture said: ‘I will bring it to you within the twinkling of an eye!' Then when he [Sulaiman (Solomon)] saw it placed before him, he said; ‘This is by the Grace of my Lord - to test me whether I am grateful or ungrateful! And whoever is grateful, truly, his gratitude is for (the good of) his own self; and whoever is ungrateful, (he is ungrateful only for the loss of his own self). Certainly my Lord is Rich (Free of all needs), Bountiful'." (27:40) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,geneva]THE FOOD AND DRINK OF THE JINN [/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana,geneva]The jinn eat and drink. Sayyidna Ibn Mas'ood (ra) said: "The Messenger of Allah (saw) said: ‘Someone from among the jinn called me, and I went with them and recited Qur'an for them'. He took us and showed us the traces of where they had been and the traces of their fires. They asked him for food and he said, ‘You can have every bone on which the name of Allah (swt) has been mentioned that comes into your possession, as meat, and all of the droppings as Allah (swt) revealed to His Prophet (saw) the words'; [/FONT]
[FONT=courier new,courier]قُلْ أُوحِيَ إِلَيَّ أَنَّهُ اسْتَمَعَ نَفَرٌ مِنَ الْجِنِّ فَقَالُوا إِنَّا سَمِعْنَا قُرْآنًا عَجَبًا [/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana,geneva]"Say (O Muhammad (saw)): ‘It has been revealed to me that a group (from three to ten in number) of jinn listened (to this Qur'an)'. They said; ‘Verily, we have heard a wonderful Recitation (this Qur'an)'!" (72:1) (reported by al-Bukhari, 731) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,geneva]THEIR RECKONING ON THE DAY OF RESURRECTION [/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana,geneva]The jinn will be called to account on the day of Resurrection. Mujahid (Rahmatullahi alayh) said, concerning the ayah: [/FONT]
[FONT=courier new,courier]وَجَعَلُوا بَيْنَهُ وَبَيْنَ الْجِنَّةِ نَسَبًا وَلَقَدْ عَلِمَتِ الْجِنَّةُ إِنَّهُمْ لَمُحْضَرُونَ [/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana,geneva]"And they have invented a kinship between Him and the jinn, but the jinn know well that they have indeed to appear (before Him) (i.e. they will be called to account)". (37:158) Sahih al-Bukhari, Bab Dhikr al- Jinn wa Thawabihim wa ‘Iqabihim. [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,geneva]PROTECTION FROM THE HARM OF THE JINN [/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana,geneva]Because the jinn can see us while we cannot see them, the Prophet (saw) taught us many ways to protect ourselves from their harm, such as seeking refuge with Allah (swt) from the accursed Shaytan, reciting Surah Al-Falaq and An-Nas (the last two Surahs of the Qur'an), and reciting the words taught by Allah (swt) in the Qur'an: [/FONT]
[FONT=courier new,courier]وَقُلْ رَبِّ أَعُوذُ بِكَ مِنْ هَمَزَاتِ الشَّيَاطِينِ [/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana,geneva]"And say: ‘My Lord! I seek refuge with You from the whisperings (suggestions) of the Shayatin (devils)". (23:97) [/FONT]
[FONT=courier new,courier]وَأَعُوذُ بِكَ رَبِّ أَنْ يَحْضُرُونِ [/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana,geneva]"And I seek refuge with You, My Lord! Lest they should come near me". (23:98) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,geneva]Saying Bismillah (in the Name of Allah (swt)) before entering one's home, before eating or drinking, and before having intercourse will also keep the Shaytan from entering the house or partaking with a person in his food, drink and sexual activity. Similarly, mentioning the name of Allah (swt) before entering the toilet or taking off ones clothes will prevent the jinn from seeing a person's ‘awrah or harming him, as the Prophet (saw) said, "To put a barrier that will prevent the jinn from seeing the ‘awrah of the sons of Adam (as), let any one of you say ‘Bismillah' when entering the toilet". (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, 551; Saheeh al-Jami', 3611)[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,geneva]Strength of faith and religion in general will also prevent the jinn from harming a person, so much so that if they were to fight, the one who has faith would win. Sayyidna Abdullah ibn Mas'ood (ra) said: "A man from among the Companions (ra) of Muhammad (saw) met a man from among the jinn. They wrestled, and the human knocked down the jinn. The human said to him, ‘You look small and skinny to me, and your forearms look like the front paws of a dog. Do all the jinns look like this, or only you?' He said, ‘No, by Allah, among them I am strong, but let us wrestle again, and if you defeat me I will teach you something that will do you good'. The human said, ‘Fine'. He said, ‘Recite, Ayat al-Kursi': [/FONT]
[FONT=courier new,courier]اللَّهُ لا إِلَهَ إِلا هُوَ الْحَيُّ الْقَيُّومُ لا تَأْخُذُهُ سِنَةٌ وَلا نَوْمٌ لَهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الأرْضِ مَنْ ذَا الَّذِي يَشْفَعُ عِنْدَهُ إِلا بِإِذْنِهِ يَعْلَمُ مَا بَيْنَ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَمَا خَلْفَهُمْ وَلا يُحِيطُونَ بِشَيْءٍ مِنْ عِلْمِهِ إِلا بِمَا شَاءَ وَسِعَ كُرْسِيُّهُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأرْضَ وَلا يَئُودُهُ حِفْظُهُمَا وَهُوَ الْعَلِيُّ الْعَظِيمُ [/FONT]​
[FONT=verdana,geneva]"Allah! La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), Al-Hayyul-Qayyum (the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists). Neither slumber nor sleep overtakes Him. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on earth. Who is he that can intercede with Him except with His permission? He knows what happens to them (His creatures) in this world, and what will happen to them in the Hereafter. And they will never compass anything of His Knowledge except that He wills. His Kursi extends over the heavens and the earth, and He feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them. And He is the Most High, the Most Great. (This Verse 2:255 is called Ayat-ul-Kursi) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,geneva]The human said, ‘Fine'. He said, ‘You will never recite this in your house but the Shaytan will come out of it'!" [/FONT]

Throughout history man has always had a deep attraction for the supernatural and the unseen. The existence of a world parallel to our own has always fascinated people. This world is commonly referred to as the spirit world, and almost every set of people have some concept of one. With some people, these spirits are no more then the souls of dead people- or ghosts. With others, spirits are either the forces of good or the forces of evil - both battling against one another to gain influence over humanity. However, both of these explanations are more in tune with folk tales and fantasy. The true explanation of such a world comes from Islam. Like every other way, Islam also claims to explain this realm of the unseen. It is from this realm that Islam explains to us about the world of the Jinn. The Islamic explanation of the Jinn provides us with so many answers to modem day mysteries. Without the knowledge of this world, the Muslims would become like the non-Muslims and be running around looking for any old answer to come their way. So, who or what are the Jinn?
Existence
The Jinn are beings created with free will, living on earth in a world parallel to mankind. The Arabic word Jinn is from the verb 'Janna' which means to hide or conceal. Thus, they are physically invisible from man as their description suggests. This invisibility is one of the reasons why some people have denied their existence. However, (as will be seen) the affect which the world of the Jinn has upon our world, is enough to refute this modern denial of one of Allah's creation. The origins of the Jinn can be traced from the Qur'an and the Sunnah. Allah says:
"Indeed We created man from dried clay of black smooth mud. And We created the Jinn before that from the smokeless flame of fire"
(Surah Al-Hijr 15:26-27)
Thus the Jinn were created before man. As for their physical origin, then the Prophet (saws) has confirmed the above verse when he said: "The Angels were created from light and the Jinn from smokeless fire" [1]. It is this description of the Jinn which tells us so much about them. Because they were created from fire, their nature has generally been fiery and thus their relationship with man has been built upon this. Like humans, they too are required to worship Allah and follow Islam. Their purpose in life is exactly the same as ours, as Allah says:
"I did not create the Jinn and mankind except to worship Me"
(Surah Ad-Dhariyat 51:56)
Jinns can thus be Muslims or non-Muslims. However, due to their fiery nature the majority of them are non-Muslims. All these non-Muslim Jinns form a part of the army of the most famous Jinn, Iblis- the Shaytan[2]. Consequently, these disbelieving Jinns are also called Shaytans (devils). As for the Jinns who become Muslims, then the first of them did so in the time of the Prophet (saws) when a group of them were amazed by the recitation of the Qur'an. Allah orders the Prophet to tell the people of this event:
"Say (O' Muhammed): It has been revealed to me that a group of Jinn listened and said; 'Indeed we have heard a marvellous Qur'an. It guides unto righteousness so we have believed in it, and we will never make partners with our lord'"
(Surah Al-Jinn 72:1-2)
In many aspects of their world, the Jinn are very similar to us. They eat and drink, they marry, have children and they die. The life span however, is far greater then ours. Like us, they will also be subject to a Final Reckoning by Allah the Most High. They will be present with mankind on the Day of Judgement and will either go to Paradise or Hell.
Abilities
That which clearly distinguishes the Jinn from mankind, are their powers and abilities. Allah has given them these powers as a test for them. If they oppress others with them, then they will be held accountable. By knowing of their powers, we can often make sense of much of the mysteries which go on around us. One of the powers of the Jinn, is that they are able to take on any physical form they like. Thus, they can appear as humans, animals trees and anything else. Over the last few years the interest in the subject of aliens and UFO's has become heightened. Programmes such as the X-files and the Outer limits have increased the popularity of the theory that aliens exist. Thousands of people have sighted strange looking creatures all over the world. These sightings however, have still not proven substantially that aliens exist. Rather - and it seems more plausible all the sightings of such creatures were just Jinns parading in different forms. So the next time you see something that looks like E.T, its most probably just a wicked Jinn trying to scare and confuse you!
The ability to possess and take over the minds and bodies of other creatures is also a power which the Jinn have utilised greatly over the centuries. This however, is something which has been prohibited to them as it is a great oppression to possess another being. Human possession is something which has always brought about great attention. But the true knowledge of this subject is rare amongst the people. Over the last 3 decades the subject of possession has become very commercialised. During the 70's films such as The Exorcist and Rosemary's Baby were used to educate people about possession. However, because such institutions (the film industry) were heavily influenced by Christianity, knowledge of the subject was non-existent. Rather then educate people about Jinn possession, films such as The Exorcist just tended to scare the living daylights out of us![3] Only through Islam can we understand such a phenomena. We know as Muslims, that Jinns possess people for many reasons. Sometimes it is because the Jinn or its family has been hurt accidentally. It could be because the Jinn has fallen in love with the person. However, most of the time possession occurs because the Jinn is simply malicious and wicked. For this reason we have been told by the Prophet (saws) not to loiter in those places where the Jinns reside, e.g. graveyards, ruins, deserts, market places etc. We have also been commanded to recite the Qur'an frequently in our houses as the Prophet (saws) said: "Indeed, the shaytan flees from the house in which Surah Al-Baqarah (the 2nd chapter of the Qur'an) is recited" [4].
If a person does become possessed, then the name of Allah has to be used in expelling the Jinn. If we look at the practice of the Prophet and his companions, we find many duas (supplications) to exorcise the Jinn. All these duas invoke Allah to help the possessed person. How contrary this is to many modern-day exorcists. Many exorcists, Muslim and non-Muslim, often invoke the names of others besides Allah to exorcise the Jinn[5]. When the Jinn does leave, these people believe that their way was successful. However, this is a ploy of the Jinn, as it knows that if it obeys the exorcist, then it has succeeded in making him worship others besides Allah i.e. commit shirk. The Jinn often returns when the exorcist leaves, as it knows that nothing except the words of Allah can stop it from oppressing others.
It is not only humans which are possessed, but also animals, trees and other objects. By doing this, the evil Jinn hope to make people worship others besides Allah. The possession of idols is one way to do this. Not so long ago the world-wide phenomenon of Hindu idols drinking milk, shocked the world. From Bombay to London, Delhi to California, countless idols were lapping up milk. Ganesh[6] the elephant god, Hanuman the monkey god and even Shiva lingam, the male private organ(!), all seemed to guzzle down the milk as if there was no tomorrow! Unfortunately people were taken in by this (including Muslims) and many flocked to feed (?) the Hindu gods. Anyone who knows about Jinn possession, will undoubtedly know that this is a classic attempt to make people commit shirk. And it worked, as many people started to worship these lifeless pieces of wood and marble. Anyone with half a brain would say to themselves, 'why on earth does a god need to be fed?!! Surely if Ganesh, Hanuman or Shiva were divine then they wouldn't need feeding?' However, such common sense seemed to be lacking as the Jinns played havoc with these gullible people.
The Occult

Through their powers of flying and invisibility, the Jinn are the chief component in occult activities. Voodoo, Black magic, Poltergeists, Witchcraft and Mediums can all be explained through the world of the Jinn. Likewise, so can the illusions and feats of magicians. Because the Jinn can traverse huge distances over a matter of seconds, their value to magicians is great. In return for helping them in their magic, the Jinns often ask for the magicians to sell their souls to them and even to Iblis. Thus the magicians take the Jinn and Iblis as lords besides Allah. In our day, some of the feats performed by magicians and entertainers are without doubt from the assistance of the Jinn. One of the most frequent activities associated with the Jinn, is fortune telling. Before the advent of the Prophet (saws) fortune-tellers and soothsayers were wide spread. These people would use their associates from the Jinn to find out about the future. The Jinns would go to the lowest heaven and listen to the Angels conversing amongst themselves about events of the Future which they heard from Allah. The Jinns would then inform the fortune-tellers. This is why before the time of the Prophet (saws) many fortune-tellers were very accurate in their predictions. However, upon the Prophet's arrival the heavens were guarded intensely by the Angels, and any Jinn who tried to listen was attacked by meteors (shooting stars):
"And We have guarded it (the heavens) from every accursed devil, except one who is able to snatch a hearing and he is pursued by a brightly burning flame"
(Surah Al-Hijr 15:18)
The Prophet (saws) also said: "They (the Jinn) would pass the information back down until it reaches the lips of a magician or forrtune-teller Sometimes a meteor would overtake them before they could pass it on. If they passed it on before being struck, they would add to it a hundred lies" [9]. Thus, it is clear from this as to how fortune-tellers get predictions of the future right. It is also evident as to why they get so many wrong. Men like Nostradamus[10] are an example, as some of his predictions of the future were correct whilst many were completely wrong. Unfortunately, the amount of fortune telling which occurs amongst the Muslims is also increasing. By visiting Muslim lands such as Morocco, one is able to see as to how much inter Jinn-fortune-teller activity there really is. If you look up at the sky on a clear night in Morocco, you will see the heavens ablaze with shooting stars! A clear display of the devils being chased away from the heavens.
Fortune-tellers also operate through the Qareen. The Qareen is the Jinn companion which is assigned to every human being. It is this Jinn which whispers to our base desires and constantly tries to divert us from righteousness. The Prophet (saws) said: "Everyone of you has been assigned a companion from the Jinn. The companions asked: Even you O' Messenger of Allah? And the Prophet replied: Even me, except that Allah has helped me against him and he has submitted. Now he only tells me to do good" [11]. Because the Qareen is with a person all his life, it knows all that has happened to the person from the cradle to the grave. By making contact with the Qareen, the fortune-teller is thus able to make out that it is he who knows about the person. He looks in his crystal ball or the palm of a person and proceeds to amaze him with knowledge which no one else knows[12]. The severity of going to a fortune-teller is such that the Prophet (saws) said: "The prayer of one who approaches a fortune-teller and asks him about anything, will not be accepted for forty days or nights" [13] and: "Whosoever approaches a fortune-teller and believes in what he says, has disbelieved in what was revealed to Muhammed" [14]
The effects of the Jinn are not just limited to fortune-tellers. Other activities such as oujia boards and seances, which are used to contact the dead, are manipulated by the Jinn. 'Are you there Charlie? Speak to us Charlie!!' are the sort of words spoken by anxious relatives (names are obviously different!) seeking to make contact with their loved ones. And it is when the Jinn starts to talk and communicate as 'Charlie', that the people are truly fooled[15].
One of the biggest manipulations of the Jinn is through visions. Through these visions the Jinns are more likely to lead people away from the worship of Allah then any other way. When a person sees a vision in front of his eyes it is something which is very hard to explain away. Only by having knowledge of the world of the Jinn and conviction in Allah, can a person fight such a trial. The countless numbers of visions of Jesus Christ and the Virgin Mary over the centuries has been a popular choice for the devils. It almost seems as if leading Christians astray is the most easiest trick for the Jinns! Not only are Christians fooled by these visions, but often the Jinns possess and begin to talk from their voices. To the Christians this is known as the tongues of the Angels and thus a proof for their faith. However, the amount of unintelligible nonsense and rubbish which is heard is a clear proof that this is in fact the tongues of the devils! For other people, visions of their parents or relatives are commonplace. By taking on the form of peoples parents, the Jinns can convince people that the souls of dead people still mix with the people of the earth. This is why so many people believe in ghosts.
The onslaught of satanic visions has also hit the Muslims. Many Muslims claim to have seen visions of the Prophet Muhammed (saws) and even Allah! By doing this, Shaytan is able to lead astray the weak Muslims. Through such visions, Muslims are often told that the commands of Islam are not applicable to them. The Jinns tell them that Prayer, Fasting, Hajj etc. are not obligatory for them. It is a great deception and unfortunately one which has been very effective. The extent of satanic visions still continues to this day. The recent death of Diana Princess of Wales sparked off great love and adoration for this woman. In fact the grief of the British people was such, that it was as if Diana was something divine. No sooner had the mourning of Diana reached its peak, that visions of her were already being seen at Hampton Court Palace! If these visions did occur, the desire of Iblis and his army of Jinn to capitalise on this event, was evident. Such visions are clear attempts by Iblis to lead mankind away from the path of Allah [16].
The world of the Jinn is one which is both sinister and intriguing. By knowing of this world we can explain many of the mysteries and issues which bother us. By doing this we can avoid the extremes which the people have gone to; nothing being more extreme then worshipping others besides Allah. By learning the Tawheed of Allah, we defend ourselves from these hidden allies of Iblis:
"Indeed he (Iblis) and his tribe watch you from a position where you cannot see them"
(Surah Al-A'raf 7:27)
Maybe there is a Jinn sitting in the corner of your room right now, or even one behind you. If so, then how will you deal with this creation of Allah? Learn Islam properly and you will be able to deal with all of Allah's creation - and not just the Jinn. By becoming true Muslims and followers of Islam, the fear of Iblis, Jinns and anything else will leave us - nothing will touch the Believer unless Allah wills.

Jinn

The World of Jinn
 

Scott Free

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LMAO, your videos are of an illusionist! That isn't "magic" it is trickery. Are you seriously purposing that the magician is one of your jinn things?
 

ahmadabdalrhman

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LMAO, your videos are of an illusionist! That isn't "magic" it is trickery. Are you seriously purposing that the magician is one of your jinn things?

I know what trickery , it is "magic" from jinn



the magic not just one type he much type from it :-

1 - magic bluffs the people eyes

2 - hieroglyphs writing have meanings furtive and bind complex gnarl

3 - acclivities the enchanter on the jinns in the sky or the jinn squint himself to armor ( but the people do not see that )

Etc...

all from jinn or Gin

the stronger enchanter he have the stronger jinn

but all gin weak with reading the quran

I know anterior conjurer was dealing with jinn

then he repent

then the jinn kill two from sons and kill his wife and the jinn hate him

but the video not english

this is the video

YouTube - الساØ*ر اليمني التائب الجزا الثالث مقطع رقم 5-7
 
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karrie

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According to what I've read, the jinn are here to trick you into straying from your path. One need be ever vigilant for the jinn whispering in your ear or putting obstacles in your path to turn your thoughts away from how you've chosen to live. It's not a far cry from what Scott was mentioning about needing to be ever vigilant that he not indulge in the wishful thinking which is hardwired into his brain. The jinn and qarin are much the same in this respect according to my reading on the subject. I find it interesting that almost every culture, every belief system, has it's own culprit, it's own creature or flaw to blame for the failures and illnesses of man. Now is it a new definition of 'magic' to be blamed? A tv, an ad jingle, to fault for the shortcomings, mental states, and general pathetic state of society? It becomes the new succubus, the new jinn, the qarin blamed for our own lack of motivation, sloth, greed, gluttony.
 

ahmadabdalrhman

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According to what I've read, the jinn are here to trick you into straying from your path. One need be ever vigilant for the jinn whispering in your ear or putting obstacles in your path to turn your thoughts away from how you've chosen to live. It's not a far cry from what Scott was mentioning about needing to be ever vigilant that he not indulge in the wishful thinking which is hardwired into his brain. The jinn and qarin are much the same in this respect according to my reading on the subject. I find it interesting that almost every culture, every belief system, has it's own culprit, it's own creature or flaw to blame for the failures and illnesses of man. Now is it a new definition of 'magic' to be blamed? A tv, an ad jingle, to fault for the shortcomings, mental states, and general pathetic state of society? It becomes the new succubus, the new jinn, the qarin blamed for our own lack of motivation, sloth, greed, gluttony.

According to what I've read, the jinn are here to trick you into straying from your path. One need be ever vigilant for the jinn whispering in your ear or putting obstacles in your path to turn your thoughts away from how you've chosen to live

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Sahih International: [So mention] when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I am going to create a human being from clay.
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Sahih International: So when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My [created] soul, then fall down to him in prostration."
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Sahih International: So the angels prostrated - all of them entirely.
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Sahih International: Except Iblees; he was arrogant and became among the disbelievers.
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The jinn and qarin are much the same in this respect according to my reading on the subject

the qarin one from the evil jinn he with all the human always but the qarin was weak In

some times and stronger In the other times and he here to trick you into straying from

your path. One need be ever vigilant for whispering in your ear or putting obstacles in

your path to turn your thoughts away from how you've chosen to live

but the jinn there the good jinn and there the evil jinn

I find it interesting that almost every culture, every belief system, has it's own culprit, it's own creature or flaw to blame for the failures and illnesses of man. Now is it a new definition of 'magic' to be blamed? A tv, an ad jingle, to fault for the shortcomings, mental states, and general pathetic state of society? It becomes the new succubus, the new jinn, the qarin blamed for our own lack of motivation, sloth, greed, gluttony

the qarin he tricking human he say to them workings who wrong

but the human he doing that not the qarin

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LMAO, your videos are of an illusionist! That isn't "magic" it is trickery. Are you seriously purposing that the magician is one of your jinn things?

Scott Free, isn’t that what magic essentially is, it is trickery. Magic as described in Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter novels doesn’t really exist. Magic is trickery, an illusion.

As to a jinn, i personally prfer a jinny to a jinn (I Dream of Jeannie).
 

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Scott Free, isn’t that what magic essentially is, it is trickery. Magic as described in Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter novels doesn’t really exist. Magic is trickery, an illusion.

As to a jinn, i personally prfer a jinny to a jinn (I Dream of Jeannie).

I posted the the video because it gave a different explanation of magic not the traditional one. I thought it was insightful and shed light on our superstitions.
 

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I know what trickery , it is "magic" from jinn



the magic not just one type he much type from it :-

1 - magic bluffs the people eyes

2 - hieroglyphs writing have meanings furtive and bind complex gnarl

3 - acclivities the enchanter on the jinns in the sky or the jinn squint himself to armor ( but the people do not see that )

Etc...

all from jinn or Gin

the stronger enchanter he have the stronger jinn

but all gin weak with reading the quran

I know anterior conjurer was dealing with jinn

then he repent

then the jinn kill two from sons and kill his wife and the jinn hate him

but the video not english

this is the video

I am simply dumb struck by your claims! I have never read anything so superstitious, ignorant and void of intellect in my life. Your thinking is straight out of the middle ages!

I don't know how to argue with someone who has missed 700 years of human social evolution... :-?

Do you believe in witches too?
 
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I liked the art angle.

It makes a lot of sense. In ancient times elaborate machines were built into temples to bamboozle the people. They were often built with hydraulics, gears and counterweights (see Ctesibius) and the technology was jealously guarded. It was meant to make people believe in gods.

Now we think of god powers as magic but that isn't what the ancients would have thought. They would have thought the magic was in the science, mathematics and books that described how to build the machines - they knew the temple magic was trickery for the ignorant masses (see ahmadabdalrhman for a prime example of that). It seems that our definition of magic would be that of the temple members not the priests and builders.

Magic then isn't just writing and science but it is also methods of controlling the stupid masses (us), reinforcing their superstitions and diverting their attention.

If all this is true and the OP video is accurate then it means we are all pretty much temple goers still being bamboozled by "magic."
 

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It makes a lot of sense. In ancient times elaborate machines were built into temples to bamboozle the people. They were often built with hydraulics, gears and counterweights (see Ctesibius) and the technology was jealously guarded. It was meant to make people believe in gods.

Now we think of god powers as magic but that isn't what the ancients would have thought. They would have thought the magic was in the science, mathematics and books that described how to build the machines - they knew the temple magic was trickery for the ignorant masses (see ahmadabdalrhman for a prime example of that). It seems that our definition of magic would be that of the temple members not the priests and builders.

Magic then isn't just writing and science but it is also methods of controlling the stupid masses (us), reinforcing their superstitions and diverting their attention.

If all this is true and the OP video is accurate then it means we are all pretty much temple goers still being bamboozled by "magic."

I think that's right, we are bamboozaled by magic every day. Modern economics is magic to the greater extent I think, it depends directly on the enchanted masses of consumer.
 

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I think that's right, we are bamboozaled by magic every day. Modern economics is magic to the greater extent I think, it depends directly on the enchanted masses of consumer.

Most consumerism is driven by the same sort of notion. The gizmo that cleans your carpet 'like magic', the chemical that melts the scum out of your tub 'like magic'. We want things that work beyond our understanding, that work so well we're amazed and in awe of them. We pay through the nose, and pay with our health, for all manner of consumer items that we don't second guess. And we've done that for as long as humans have existed.
 

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Most consumerism is driven by the same sort of notion. The gizmo that cleans your carpet 'like magic', the chemical that melts the scum out of your tub 'like magic'. We want things that work beyond our understanding, that work so well we're amazed and in awe of them. We pay through the nose, and pay with our health, for all manner of consumer items that we don't second guess. And we've done that for as long as humans have existed.

That's black magic right enough. There was a time though when the charlatan and the liar were stoned if they could be discovered now we reward them with millions in bonuses and they command our cherished institutions to a detremental degree hence our economic quagmire. I like to believe that humans were at one time kind and generous and that we will be again someday soon.
 
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That's black magic right enough. There was a time though when the charlatan and the liar were stoned if they could be discovered now we reward them with millions in bonuses and they command our cherished institutions to a detremental degree hence our economic quagmire. I like to believe that humans were at one time kind and generous and that we will be again someday soon.

Unfortunately, the reason that the liar and charlatan are no longer stoned is precisely because humanity is moving toward a more kind and generous attitude. We didn't evolve through sugar cookies and coddling. We evolved by being cut throat, by killing the charlatan and taking back our money and raping his wife and enslaving his children while we did it. We evolved by being the biggest, baddest on the block. Humanity hasn't sprung from some imagined garden of peace and joy. It's evolved despite blood, ****, and tears, and holds the garden up as its end goal. The liars know that we are softening, and they haven't been eliminated yet, so they find their prey to be easier than before. And so long as people sit back and blame the liar instead of their own gullibility, we will make perfect victims.
 

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Unfortunately, the reason that the liar and charlatan are no longer stoned is precisely because humanity is moving toward a more kind and generous attitude. We didn't evolve through sugar cookies and coddling. We evolved by being cut throat, by killing the charlatan and taking back our money and raping his wife and enslaving his children while we did it. We evolved by being the biggest, baddest on the block. Humanity hasn't sprung from some imagined garden of peace and joy. It's evolved despite blood, ****, and tears, and holds the garden up as its end goal. The liars know that we are softening, and they haven't been eliminated yet, so they find their prey to be easier than before. And so long as people sit back and blame the liar instead of their own gullibility, we will make perfect victims.

No Karrie might is not right and we did not evolve because of it we evolved into it because we left the garden in a rational awakening. That movement you say you see to a more kind and generous attitute is the black magic of the mass media only, no poor children are saved none are fed clothed educated protected or loved they are starved and butchered by the thousands every day of every week of every year and have been evry year of my life that I can remember, you only imagine our benevolence. Our entire existence has depended on solidarity, cooperation, and luck, those things are many times more powerfull than the sword.
Gullibility, it's craftily hidden in some by the black magic so they never suspect it of themselves. The liars run the world, they steal they murder and they conspire against nature and our species they are abominations and we reward their evil with the quarterly bonus and position.
 

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No Karrie might is not right and we did not evolve because of it we evolved into it because we left the garden in a rational awakening. That movement you say you see to a more kind and generous attitute is the black magic of the mass media only, no poor children are saved none are fed clothed educated protected or loved they are starved and butchered by the thousands every day of every week of every year and have been evry year of my life that I can remember, you only imagine our benevolence. Our entire existence has depended on solidarity, cooperation, and luck, those things are many times more powerfull than the sword.
Gullibility, it's craftily hidden in some by the black magic so they never suspect it of themselves. The liars run the world, they steal they murder and they conspire against nature and our species they are abominations and we reward their evil with the quarterly bonus and position.

I absolutely agree and in fact there is good evidence to support what you're saying: Nastiest males' death changed troop's ways.