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March 15th, 2008, 01:23 AM
When you meet Christ you will be doing none of that, same as you did none of that to your father when you were about 2. Your head and hands will be hanging down. Your knees will be ready to buckle in fear. After that you can ask all the questions you want, you might even want the opinion of those standing beside you as to how they felt that God caused their death and how they feel about receiving life eternal.
Quoting Dexter Sinister
Come back when you have a come back
Mystic nonsense, with no basis in reality. You're deluded.
Quoting Dexter Sinister
Go ahead, you try to get a bear to listen to you, you are likely to end up being the meal yourself. If He doesn't exist what kind of psychosis are you under, I talk to Him because I believe in Him, you are talking to somebody you don't believe in. ROFLMAO
Yes I did, but you're using a different meaning of it. That's called the fallacy of equivocation. I used it to mean just that he shows up, he appears, there he is, doing horrifying things. You're using it to mean something similar to "seems." It just seems like he's doing awful things, but he's not really, there are good reasons and explanations for it all. Well, no there aren't. I don't often express myself this way, but really at heart I think mrgrumpy's got it right. God shows up in the Bible far too often as a mean murderous bastard, and if he exists at all (which I don't believe) I have nothing but contempt for him. For example, he sends bears to massacre 42 children for the horrible crime of making fun of a supposedly holy man's baldness. That's insane, and only one of many examples of god's madness recorded in Scripture.
Quoting Dexter Sinister
With some help from your friends, your conclusions on certain things would not support 'thoughtfully' nor 'throughly'. More like 'I hope somebody has written something that explains this because I can't make heads nor tails out of it'. That you see your destination being the lake proves that very point.
Reading the Bible thoughtfully and thoroughly with modern knowledge is one of the surest routes to atheism, that's how I got there, and if I ever find myself standing in front of your version of god facing a demand to account for my life, I'll tell him straight up that I think he's a liar, a cheat, a bully, and a fraud. It'll already be too late for me, according to Revelation, I'll be in the lake of fire. What's he going to do, condemn me for eternity plus three days? Pfffftttt... It's all BS.
When you meet Christ you will be doing none of that, same as you did none of that to your father when you were about 2. Your head and hands will be hanging down. Your knees will be ready to buckle in fear. After that you can ask all the questions you want, you might even want the opinion of those standing beside you as to how they felt that God caused their death and how they feel about receiving life eternal.
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March 15th, 2008, 02:08 AM
You want a come back, I can do that.
There is no god. There is no devil. There is no heaven. There is no hell. You can believe whatever you want about the meaning and purpose of this life and the next one, if such there be, but believing is not the same as knowing. You know with 100% certainty that you have this life, because here you are living it, you cannot know anything with such certainty about the next one. Therefore the only thing that makes sense is to live this one as if it's all there is. Love your family and friends and neighbours, love even your enemies and try to make peace with them, make the best of it that you can and hope that people will remember you fondly when you're gone and that you made a positive difference. That's the atheists' creed, and properly understood it produces moral and ethical behaviour at least as good as anything religious belief can generate, with the added advantage of being firmly grounded in observable reality.
And I still think you're deluded.
You want a come back, I can do that.
There is no god. There is no devil. There is no heaven. There is no hell. You can believe whatever you want about the meaning and purpose of this life and the next one, if such there be, but believing is not the same as knowing. You know with 100% certainty that you have this life, because here you are living it, you cannot know anything with such certainty about the next one. Therefore the only thing that makes sense is to live this one as if it's all there is. Love your family and friends and neighbours, love even your enemies and try to make peace with them, make the best of it that you can and hope that people will remember you fondly when you're gone and that you made a positive difference. That's the atheists' creed, and properly understood it produces moral and ethical behaviour at least as good as anything religious belief can generate, with the added advantage of being firmly grounded in observable reality.
And I still think you're deluded.
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March 15th, 2008, 02:33 AM
Quoting MHz
I'm not talking to anybody I don't believe in, I'm talking to you. That's one of the dumbest things you've ever posted. It appears you neither read nor think with any comprehension. You've not laughed your ass off, you've laughed your brains out. Aren't you the same guy who said he didn't mean to be an asshole, and didn't intend to make anybody seem right or wrong? I'm sure you've heard that the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. You lose. I think I'm through talking with you about this. You're not paying attention, and you're so sure you're right, and will go to such extreme lengths to avoid cognitive dissonance, you have nothing useful to teach anyone. I suggest you buy an interesting little book called A History of the End of the World by Jonathan Kirsch, it's a trade paperback available at Chapters for under $20. It's about Revelation and what it really means, and it clearly demonstrates with serious and credible scholarship that you're full of crap.
I talk to Him because I believe in Him, you are talking to somebody you don't believe in. ROFLMAO
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March 15th, 2008, 03:25 AM
"if I ever find myself standing in front of your version of god facing a demand to account for my life, I'll tell him straight up that I think he's a liar, a cheat, a bully, and a fraud."
Is that good intention for one's self or for others?
I'm laughing because I've never seen you blow a gasket before. Do you find that easy to do or not easy not to do?
If you had ever read the preface to the 1611 version of the KJV you would know that attitude is to be expected.
"Zeal to promote the common good, whether it be by devising anything ourselves, or revising that which hath been laboured by others, deserveth certainly much respect and esteem, but yet findeth but cold entertainment in the world. It is welcomed with suspicion instead of love, and with emulation instead of thanks: and if there be any hole left for cavil to enter, (and cavil, if it do not find a hole, will make one) it is sure to be misconstrued, and in danger to be condemned. "
I would post a little more but since Scripture is a foreign language to you this will not be able to be understood either.
So, would you do all those things to retrieve your stolen child or not?
Quoting Dexter Sinister
These words are for somebody other than me.
I'm not talking to anybody I don't believe in, I'm talking to you. That's one of the dumbest things you've ever posted.
"if I ever find myself standing in front of your version of god facing a demand to account for my life, I'll tell him straight up that I think he's a liar, a cheat, a bully, and a fraud."
Quoting Dexter Sinister
Aren't you the one who says they 'throughly understand Scripture'? Go ahead, explain who 'they' refers to in Isaiah:65.
It appears you neither read nor think with any comprehension. You've not laughed your ass off, you've laughed your brains out. Aren't you the same guy who said he didn't mean to be an asshole, and didn't intend to make anybody seem right or wrong? I'm sure you've heard that the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. You lose.
Is that good intention for one's self or for others?
I'm laughing because I've never seen you blow a gasket before. Do you find that easy to do or not easy not to do?
Quoting Dexter Sinister
Why not try the book that is free? And where did Jonathan get his knowledge, from a $50 book or did he care enough to humbly ask the original author of all Scripture?
I think I'm through talking with you about this. You're not paying attention, and you're so sure you're right, and will go to such extreme lengths to avoid cognitive dissonance, you have nothing useful to teach anyone. I suggest you buy an interesting little book called A History of the End of the World by Jonathan Kirsch, it's a trade paperback available at Chapters for under $20. It's about Revelation and what it really means, and it clearly demonstrates with serious and credible scholarship that you're full of crap.
If you had ever read the preface to the 1611 version of the KJV you would know that attitude is to be expected.
"Zeal to promote the common good, whether it be by devising anything ourselves, or revising that which hath been laboured by others, deserveth certainly much respect and esteem, but yet findeth but cold entertainment in the world. It is welcomed with suspicion instead of love, and with emulation instead of thanks: and if there be any hole left for cavil to enter, (and cavil, if it do not find a hole, will make one) it is sure to be misconstrued, and in danger to be condemned. "
I would post a little more but since Scripture is a foreign language to you this will not be able to be understood either.
Quoting Dexter Sinister
Gee Dex, I guess you are capable of some kind of hope after all.
There is no god. There is no devil. There is no heaven. There is no hell. You can believe whatever you want about the meaning and purpose of this life and the next one, if such there be, but believing is not the same as knowing.
Quoting Dexter Sinister
So how does reading a book alter that? I'll be reading it for years to come, you have put it on the shelf, but where do I see your posts, in a thread that has to do with God.
You know with 100% certainty that you have this life, because here you are living it, you cannot know anything with such certainty about the next one. Therefore the only thing that makes sense is to live this one as if it's all there is.
Quoting Dexter Sinister
Somehow I think that the enemy part was 'borrowed from Scripture'. You are right though, do those things and you will have more friends than enemies when you finally hit the ground for the last time.
Love your family and friends and neighbours, love even your enemies and try to make peace with them, make the best of it that you can and hope that people will remember you fondly when you're gone and that you made a positive difference. That's the atheists' creed, and properly understood it produces moral and ethical behaviour at least as good as anything religious belief can generate, with the added advantage of being firmly grounded in observable reality.
Quoting Dexter Sinister
Which makes it a thought of yours, not a fact. Besides you don't even know what my thoughts are on the Bible, other than it is an accurate and truthful document.
And I still think you're deluded.
So, would you do all those things to retrieve your stolen child or not?
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March 15th, 2008, 03:26 AM
Ok, so you meant He shows up and does those things.
Literally yes, I would agree with you, but the spiritual message is what you do not see.
I will explain it to you and perhaps you might see to make a big difference from the literal rendition of it.
2Ki 2:23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
2Ki 2:24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
Two she bears and 42 children represent two 42 month periods equal to 3-1/2 years each doubled is 7 years, or the 7-day creation period.
The message is that mankind mocked God, and He consumed their mocking in love, where? At mount Calvary the place they called the skull.
Joh 19:17 And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:
The part of the skull that is bald was a sign of leprosy: Lev 13:42 And if there be in the bald head, or bald forehead, a white reddish sore; it is a leprosy sprung up in his bald head, or his bald forehead.
Jesus had to consume all sin on His way to the skull, being mocked along the way, cursed for what they were doing, Jesus paid the price for their redemption.
The 7 day week is divided into two parts, each 3-1/2 years each or 2-42 months each, of which Jesus had to redeem in order to reconcile all mankind back to the Father in Heaven.
All that I just explained is consistent with the works of Jesus, but told in story form, in a way of a mystery, and something to be sought out.
But nowhere do I see the spiritual message of a murderess God of which you speak. Literally, yes, but not spiritually, and spiritually is where the mystery lies.
Our spiritual eyes must be opened to see spiritually, save the literal.
Now please tell me you have read thoroughly and “thoughtfully” and could not see a spiritual message in it?
I can understand why you see what you see.
Peace>>>AJ
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As opposed to my reading the bible thoroughly and thoughtfully with modern language has been instrumental in my current view of universal salvation. Reading the Bible thoughtfully and thoroughly with modern knowledge is one of the surest routes to atheism………>>>Dexter
Ok, so you meant He shows up and does those things.
Literally yes, I would agree with you, but the spiritual message is what you do not see.
I will explain it to you and perhaps you might see to make a big difference from the literal rendition of it.
2Ki 2:23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
2Ki 2:24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
Two she bears and 42 children represent two 42 month periods equal to 3-1/2 years each doubled is 7 years, or the 7-day creation period.
The message is that mankind mocked God, and He consumed their mocking in love, where? At mount Calvary the place they called the skull.
Joh 19:17 And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:
The part of the skull that is bald was a sign of leprosy: Lev 13:42 And if there be in the bald head, or bald forehead, a white reddish sore; it is a leprosy sprung up in his bald head, or his bald forehead.
Jesus had to consume all sin on His way to the skull, being mocked along the way, cursed for what they were doing, Jesus paid the price for their redemption.
The 7 day week is divided into two parts, each 3-1/2 years each or 2-42 months each, of which Jesus had to redeem in order to reconcile all mankind back to the Father in Heaven.
All that I just explained is consistent with the works of Jesus, but told in story form, in a way of a mystery, and something to be sought out.
But nowhere do I see the spiritual message of a murderess God of which you speak. Literally, yes, but not spiritually, and spiritually is where the mystery lies.
Our spiritual eyes must be opened to see spiritually, save the literal.
Now please tell me you have read thoroughly and “thoughtfully” and could not see a spiritual message in it?
I can understand why you see what you see.
Peace>>>AJ
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March 15th, 2008, 03:40 AM
My dear MHz, I have to admonish you in love.
I believe you are doing our Lord a disservice by the attitude displayed in the presence of an unbeliever.
Instead of winning hearts and influencing people,(A little Dale Carnegie there) you are placing them on the defensive.
We are not to judge the soul that Christ paid dearly for, but are to in compassion and understanding bear the burden for them in the hopes that they might see the goodness.
Psa 107:31 Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men!
My dear MHz, I have to admonish you in love.
I believe you are doing our Lord a disservice by the attitude displayed in the presence of an unbeliever.
Instead of winning hearts and influencing people,(A little Dale Carnegie there) you are placing them on the defensive.
We are not to judge the soul that Christ paid dearly for, but are to in compassion and understanding bear the burden for them in the hopes that they might see the goodness.
Psa 107:31 Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men!
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March 15th, 2008, 03:49 AM
Creation only took 6 full days,
Ge:1:31:
And God saw every thing that he had made,
and,
behold,
it was very good.
And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Quoting look3467
Are you even aware of who 'he' was? When the children were saying "Go up" they were telling him to ascend to heaven, same as his father did just before this event. That is what they were mocking him about. Even if he knew his father was with God it was well within the full month allowed for grieving a 'missing from the living' parent. I will explain it to you and perhaps you might see to make a big difference from the literal rendition of it.
2Ki 2:23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
2Ki 2:24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
2Ki 2:23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
2Ki 2:24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
Quoting look3467
Why 'she' bears and not 'he' bears, and why only 42 instead of all the children that were there? Two she bears and 42 children represent two 42 month periods equal to 3-1/2 years each doubled is 7 years, or the 7-day creation period.
Creation only took 6 full days,
Ge:1:31:
And God saw every thing that he had made,
and,
behold,
it was very good.
And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
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March 15th, 2008, 04:08 AM
The she/he is insignificant, the point is the 42 months of Jesus' ministry doubled twice for God to bring it to pass.
Doubled twice is like:
Gen 41:32 And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass.
Jesus bought the week, lock stock and barrel, the proud owner of the tree of knowledge of Good and evil, for He died on that tree, and with His blood purchased it.
The 8th day becomes the new week because the 6th day is taken out of time and the eight day falls in place of the 7th day, the 7th falls in place of the sixth.
The whole bible is about the 7 day creation being made new.
peace>>>AJ
Quoting MHz
The point is that Jesus had to engulf (Consume) the whole 7 day creation in order for life to be gifted to all mankind.
Are you even aware of who 'he' was? When the children were saying "Go up" they were telling him to ascend to heaven, same as his father did just before this event. That is what they were mocking him about. Even if he knew his father was with God it was well within the full month allowed for grieving a 'missing from the living' parent.
Why 'she' bears and not 'he' bears, and why only 42 instead of all the children that were there?
Creation only took 6 full days,
Ge:1:31:
And God saw every thing that he had made,
and,
behold,
it was very good.
And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Why 'she' bears and not 'he' bears, and why only 42 instead of all the children that were there?
Creation only took 6 full days,
Ge:1:31:
And God saw every thing that he had made,
and,
behold,
it was very good.
And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
The she/he is insignificant, the point is the 42 months of Jesus' ministry doubled twice for God to bring it to pass.
Doubled twice is like:
Gen 41:32 And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass.
Jesus bought the week, lock stock and barrel, the proud owner of the tree of knowledge of Good and evil, for He died on that tree, and with His blood purchased it.
The 8th day becomes the new week because the 6th day is taken out of time and the eight day falls in place of the 7th day, the 7th falls in place of the sixth.
The whole bible is about the 7 day creation being made new.
peace>>>AJ
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March 15th, 2008, 04:20 AM
Was Elisha in grief or not?
2Ki:2:11:
And it came to pass,
as they still went on,
and talked,
that,
behold,
there appeared a chariot of fire,
and horses of fire,
and parted them both asunder;
and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
2Ki:2:12:
And Elisha saw it,
and he cried,
My father,
my father,
the chariot of Israel,
and the horsemen thereof.
And he saw him no more:
and he took hold of his own clothes,
and rent them in two pieces.
Was Elisha in grief or not?
2Ki:2:11:
And it came to pass,
as they still went on,
and talked,
that,
behold,
there appeared a chariot of fire,
and horses of fire,
and parted them both asunder;
and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
2Ki:2:12:
And Elisha saw it,
and he cried,
My father,
my father,
the chariot of Israel,
and the horsemen thereof.
And he saw him no more:
and he took hold of his own clothes,
and rent them in two pieces.
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March 15th, 2008, 04:42 AM
Our Dear Christian Friends are 'admonishing themselves in love' and squabbling over interpretations of who was a "similitude" for someone else...ISN'T THAT SWEET!
Reminds me of four-year-olds playing doctor and nurse...
Our Dear Christian Friends are 'admonishing themselves in love' and squabbling over interpretations of who was a "similitude" for someone else...ISN'T THAT SWEET!
Reminds me of four-year-olds playing doctor and nurse...
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March 15th, 2008, 11:35 AM
We are not any better for being a believer, but are expected to be separate from the world, otherwise, can we show anything Godly?
The demonstration of love is in the face of adversity, ridicule and forgiveness, to the end, compassion, long-sufferring, kindness :
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Suffer the believer to exercise these qualities which makes the demonstration of God a real thing.
Otherwise, we are the same as the world.
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting mrgrumpy
My "dear" friend megrunpy, you, I don't expect a standard of respect to wards Gods desires, but MHz who is a believer, is expected to.
Our Dear Christian Friends are 'admonishing themselves in love' and squabbling over interpretations of who was a "similitude" for someone else...ISN'T THAT SWEET!
Reminds me of four-year-olds playing doctor and nurse...
Reminds me of four-year-olds playing doctor and nurse...
We are not any better for being a believer, but are expected to be separate from the world, otherwise, can we show anything Godly?
The demonstration of love is in the face of adversity, ridicule and forgiveness, to the end, compassion, long-sufferring, kindness :
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Suffer the believer to exercise these qualities which makes the demonstration of God a real thing.
Otherwise, we are the same as the world.
Peace>>>AJ
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March 15th, 2008, 11:56 AM
The chariot is Israel carrying out the Fathers desires, the horses is Jesus carrying out His mission and both were cut off, the head as well as the tail, both in one day.
Jesus Cried out Father why has thou forsaken me, and were not His clothes rent, a symbol of division, one into two parts is done spiritually?
Similitudes:
Luk 23:45 And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.
Luk 5:36 And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old.
2Ki 5:8 And it was so, when Elisha the man of God had heard that the king of Israel had rent his clothes, that he sent to the king, saying, Wherefore hast thou rent thy clothes? let him come now to me, and he shall know that there is a prophet in Israel.
Those were prophecies in similitude of the day of Jesus death.
The vail was rent in two, the old can not be with the new, for the old must die, the new live.
Jesus became King of Israel the day of His crucification and the prophecy was repeated when they said: Repeating the last part of the verse 2 Kings 5:8 in similitude verse :
Mat 27:42 He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.
The world wants a demonstration of Gods power by calling Him down to show us so that we may believe, but then, there would be no faith, for faith requires that we don't see with the human eye, but believe in hope that we see with the spiritual eye the truth which saves our souls.
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting MHz
Again the story is used as a similitude for the passion of Christ, was Jesus in pain, grief?
Was Elisha in grief or not?
2Ki:2:11:
And it came to pass,
as they still went on,
and talked,
that,
behold,
there appeared a chariot of fire,
and horses of fire,
and parted them both asunder;
and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
2Ki:2:12:
And Elisha saw it,
and he cried,
My father,
my father,
the chariot of Israel,
and the horsemen thereof.
And he saw him no more:
and he took hold of his own clothes,
and rent them in two pieces.
2Ki:2:11:
And it came to pass,
as they still went on,
and talked,
that,
behold,
there appeared a chariot of fire,
and horses of fire,
and parted them both asunder;
and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
2Ki:2:12:
And Elisha saw it,
and he cried,
My father,
my father,
the chariot of Israel,
and the horsemen thereof.
And he saw him no more:
and he took hold of his own clothes,
and rent them in two pieces.
The chariot is Israel carrying out the Fathers desires, the horses is Jesus carrying out His mission and both were cut off, the head as well as the tail, both in one day.
Jesus Cried out Father why has thou forsaken me, and were not His clothes rent, a symbol of division, one into two parts is done spiritually?
Similitudes:
Luk 23:45 And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.
Luk 5:36 And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old.
2Ki 5:8 And it was so, when Elisha the man of God had heard that the king of Israel had rent his clothes, that he sent to the king, saying, Wherefore hast thou rent thy clothes? let him come now to me, and he shall know that there is a prophet in Israel.
Those were prophecies in similitude of the day of Jesus death.
The vail was rent in two, the old can not be with the new, for the old must die, the new live.
Jesus became King of Israel the day of His crucification and the prophecy was repeated when they said: Repeating the last part of the verse 2 Kings 5:8 in similitude verse :
Mat 27:42 He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.
The world wants a demonstration of Gods power by calling Him down to show us so that we may believe, but then, there would be no faith, for faith requires that we don't see with the human eye, but believe in hope that we see with the spiritual eye the truth which saves our souls.
Peace>>>AJ
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March 15th, 2008, 12:37 PM
You forgot the quotation marks and naming the source which is Michael DeRousselle.
Stealing someone else's thunder are you, how low can you go?
Your belief or lack of belief will result in you being in one of two places. Since you like to quote others perhaps you can tell who gets to be in which group.
Isa:65:13-15
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD,
Behold,
my servants shall eat,
but ye shall be hungry:
behold,
my servants shall drink,
but ye shall be thirsty:
behold,
my servants shall rejoice,
but ye shall be ashamed:
Behold,
my servants shall sing for joy of heart,
but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart,
and shall howl for vexation of spirit.
And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen:
for the Lord GOD shall slay thee,
and call his servants by another name:
You forgot the quotation marks and naming the source which is Michael DeRousselle.
Stealing someone else's thunder are you, how low can you go?
Your belief or lack of belief will result in you being in one of two places. Since you like to quote others perhaps you can tell who gets to be in which group.
Isa:65:13-15
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD,
Behold,
my servants shall eat,
but ye shall be hungry:
behold,
my servants shall drink,
but ye shall be thirsty:
behold,
my servants shall rejoice,
but ye shall be ashamed:
Behold,
my servants shall sing for joy of heart,
but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart,
and shall howl for vexation of spirit.
And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen:
for the Lord GOD shall slay thee,
and call his servants by another name:
Time Out
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Location: The desolate but charming outback of the prairies.
Location: The desolate but charming outback of the prairies.
March 15th, 2008, 12:46 PM
Oh dear, you're offended a quote wasn't given a source? Terribly, terribly sorry...I can understand one who is always posting dreck from the Book of Myths getting a little anal about quotes.
Here's one from Friedrich Nietzche, maybe you've heard of him, h'mm.
I call Christianity the one great curse, the one great intrinsic depravity,the one great instict of revenge, for which no means are venomous enough, or secret...or small enough - I call it the one immortal blemish on the human race.
Oh dear, you're offended a quote wasn't given a source? Terribly, terribly sorry...I can understand one who is always posting dreck from the Book of Myths getting a little anal about quotes.
Here's one from Friedrich Nietzche, maybe you've heard of him, h'mm.
I call Christianity the one great curse, the one great intrinsic depravity,the one great instict of revenge, for which no means are venomous enough, or secret...or small enough - I call it the one immortal blemish on the human race.
Genius
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Location: Red Deer AB
Location: Red Deer AB
March 15th, 2008, 01:09 PM
Let me guess, the RCC was the popular Church of the time between 1844-78 in Röcken, EC Germany. He didn't start out an atheist but he certainly ended up that way.
http://www.biography.com/search/article.do?id=9423452
"He was a strongly religious child"
Curious that the Nazis took to his teachings, and look how well they turned out.
Let me guess, the RCC was the popular Church of the time between 1844-78 in Röcken, EC Germany. He didn't start out an atheist but he certainly ended up that way.
http://www.biography.com/search/article.do?id=9423452
"He was a strongly religious child"
Curious that the Nazis took to his teachings, and look how well they turned out.
