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February 23rd, 2008, 02:45 PM
"The Koran does not permit Mohammedans to drink.
Their natural instincts do not permit them to be moral.
They say the Sultan has eight hundred wives.
This almost amounts to bigamy."
Samuel Clemens
"The Koran does not permit Mohammedans to drink.
Their natural instincts do not permit them to be moral.
They say the Sultan has eight hundred wives.
This almost amounts to bigamy."
Samuel Clemens
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February 23rd, 2008, 03:33 PM
“29-Who hath woe? Whose father hath woe? Who hath contentions? Who falls into pits? Who hath wounds without cause? Who hath redness of eyes?
30-Surely they that pass their time in wine, and study to drink off their cups.
31-Look not upon the wine when it is yellow, when the colour thereof shines in the glass. It goes in pleasantly.
32-But in the end it will bite like a snake, and will spread abroad its poison like a basilisk.
33-The eyes shall behold strange women: and your heart shall utter perverse things.
34-And you shall be as one sleeping in the midst of the sea, and as a pilot fast asleep, when the stern is lost.
35-And you shall say: They have beaten me, but I was not sensible of pain: they drew me, and I felt not. When shall I awake, and find wine again?”
In addition, it is mentioned in the Book of Isaiah, chapter 4:
“11-Woe to you that rise up in the morning to follow drunkenness and to drink till the evening, to be inflamed with wine.
12-The harp and the lyre and the timbler and the pipe and wine are in your feasts: and the work of the Lord you regard not, nor do you consider the works of His hands.
13-Therefore is my people led away captive, because they had not knowledge: and their nobles have perished with famine, and their multitude were dried up with thirst.
14-Therefore, has hell enlarged her soul and opened her mouth without any hands… etc.”
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com/e...2.htm#Drinking Wine
The Third Lie: About Solomon
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com/#Third Lie
eanassir
Quoting mrgrumpy
"The Koran does not permit Mohammedans to drink.
God – be glorified – forbade the wine drinking in the Glorious Quran, as had He forbidden that in the Torah [included in the Old Testament]:
This is in the Book of Proverbs, chapter 23: 29-35 “29-Who hath woe? Whose father hath woe? Who hath contentions? Who falls into pits? Who hath wounds without cause? Who hath redness of eyes?
30-Surely they that pass their time in wine, and study to drink off their cups.
31-Look not upon the wine when it is yellow, when the colour thereof shines in the glass. It goes in pleasantly.
32-But in the end it will bite like a snake, and will spread abroad its poison like a basilisk.
33-The eyes shall behold strange women: and your heart shall utter perverse things.
34-And you shall be as one sleeping in the midst of the sea, and as a pilot fast asleep, when the stern is lost.
35-And you shall say: They have beaten me, but I was not sensible of pain: they drew me, and I felt not. When shall I awake, and find wine again?”
In addition, it is mentioned in the Book of Isaiah, chapter 4:
“11-Woe to you that rise up in the morning to follow drunkenness and to drink till the evening, to be inflamed with wine.
12-The harp and the lyre and the timbler and the pipe and wine are in your feasts: and the work of the Lord you regard not, nor do you consider the works of His hands.
13-Therefore is my people led away captive, because they had not knowledge: and their nobles have perished with famine, and their multitude were dried up with thirst.
14-Therefore, has hell enlarged her soul and opened her mouth without any hands… etc.”
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com/e...2.htm#Drinking Wine
Quoting mrgrumpy
What is this?
Their natural instincts do not permit them to be moral.
They say the Sultan has eight hundred wives.
They say the Sultan has eight hundred wives.
Quoting mrgrumpy
God - be glorified - permitted the believers to have maximum four wives at the same time, and this will be a very good solution in case of some communities following some devastating wars when men will be less in number than women; although it is lawful in any circumstances but man should be just in giving his wives evrey thing including the copulation in bed. This will be much better than the adultery that is prevalent in the non-religious communities. This marriage of more than one wife at the same time is not a must, but it is allowed. To marry more than one wife at the same time is allowed in the Torah and there were many prophets that married many women at the same time, like Prophet Abraham, Prophet Jacob (: Israel), Prophet David and Prophet Solomon.
This almost amounts to bigamy."
The Third Lie: About Solomon
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com/#Third Lie
eanassir
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March 13th, 2008, 01:55 AM
Well I gave ya'll the chance over dualism, sssooooo let's move on to Islam.
Mo Baby certainly saw something in the great vision he had. The Archangel Gabriel was there, SO HE SAID, giving him, THE PROPHET OF GOD, the real truth, nevermind the fact that this account contradicts the other alleged appearance of Gabriel some 400, 500, 600 years before to, to, well, look it up !
Aactually Mo Baby was kinda out of it for awhile after his vision, ya'll can look that up also.
Also Mo Baby, everytime he came and professed a revelation from God was just recovering from an epiletic fit of sort, now to be judgemental in the extreme, some would say that this type of symptom was certainly Satanic possession.
Sooooooooooooo, is Islam a Satanic Religion that apes Judaism/Christianity ?
LOOK IT UP !!
Well I gave ya'll the chance over dualism, sssooooo let's move on to Islam.
Mo Baby certainly saw something in the great vision he had. The Archangel Gabriel was there, SO HE SAID, giving him, THE PROPHET OF GOD, the real truth, nevermind the fact that this account contradicts the other alleged appearance of Gabriel some 400, 500, 600 years before to, to, well, look it up !
Aactually Mo Baby was kinda out of it for awhile after his vision, ya'll can look that up also.
Also Mo Baby, everytime he came and professed a revelation from God was just recovering from an epiletic fit of sort, now to be judgemental in the extreme, some would say that this type of symptom was certainly Satanic possession.
Sooooooooooooo, is Islam a Satanic Religion that apes Judaism/Christianity ?
LOOK IT UP !!
Mighty Intellect
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March 13th, 2008, 12:42 PM
The reason being is that there was no clear picture of the Divine, so mankind was left to its own god making.
But at a time appointed, that be a one taken out of the mix, that be Abraham, the beginnings of the revelation of the Divine begun.
So, true to fact that there were many beliefs of the unknown, but then the time came when Revelation was in order.
Thus commenced with Abraham, it culminated with Jesus as the fulfillment of all that what predicted and prophesied about who God really was and is.
Let me say here that all those souls who lived and died in the unknown era, were kept in a holding place between heaven and earth in spirit form awaiting the culmination of the fulfillment of the coming of Jesus.
After that, they were all released to enter heaven because of Jesus.
Now, with that information readily in hand, there is no excuse for one not to know about it.
The choice now being is whether one wants to accept as written or not.
As for the Muslim religion, Jesus covers them too, for if they honor their hearts to love, rather than to despise, then they too will have honored the second commandment.
Of all the beliefs in the word, if love for neighbor is not exercised, then the belief is of no earthly good and in need of a 180 turn in order to be of any good.
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting BM5
Prior to Judaism and Christianity were many different beliefs.
Well I gave ya'll the chance over dualism, sssooooo let's move on to Islam.
Mo Baby certainly saw something in the great vision he had. The Archangel Gabriel was there, SO HE SAID, giving him, THE PROPHET OF GOD, the real truth, nevermind the fact that this account contradicts the other alleged appearance of Gabriel some 400, 500, 600 years before to, to, well, look it up !
Aactually Mo Baby was kinda out of it for awhile after his vision, ya'll can look that up also.
Also Mo Baby, every time he came and professed a revelation from God was just recovering from an epiletic fit of sort, now to be judgemental in the extreme, some would say that this type of symptom was certainly Satanic possession.
Sooooooooooooo, is Islam a Satanic Religion that apes Judaism/Christianity ?
LOOK IT UP !!
Mo Baby certainly saw something in the great vision he had. The Archangel Gabriel was there, SO HE SAID, giving him, THE PROPHET OF GOD, the real truth, nevermind the fact that this account contradicts the other alleged appearance of Gabriel some 400, 500, 600 years before to, to, well, look it up !
Aactually Mo Baby was kinda out of it for awhile after his vision, ya'll can look that up also.
Also Mo Baby, every time he came and professed a revelation from God was just recovering from an epiletic fit of sort, now to be judgemental in the extreme, some would say that this type of symptom was certainly Satanic possession.
Sooooooooooooo, is Islam a Satanic Religion that apes Judaism/Christianity ?
LOOK IT UP !!
The reason being is that there was no clear picture of the Divine, so mankind was left to its own god making.
But at a time appointed, that be a one taken out of the mix, that be Abraham, the beginnings of the revelation of the Divine begun.
So, true to fact that there were many beliefs of the unknown, but then the time came when Revelation was in order.
Thus commenced with Abraham, it culminated with Jesus as the fulfillment of all that what predicted and prophesied about who God really was and is.
Let me say here that all those souls who lived and died in the unknown era, were kept in a holding place between heaven and earth in spirit form awaiting the culmination of the fulfillment of the coming of Jesus.
After that, they were all released to enter heaven because of Jesus.
Now, with that information readily in hand, there is no excuse for one not to know about it.
The choice now being is whether one wants to accept as written or not.
As for the Muslim religion, Jesus covers them too, for if they honor their hearts to love, rather than to despise, then they too will have honored the second commandment.
Of all the beliefs in the word, if love for neighbor is not exercised, then the belief is of no earthly good and in need of a 180 turn in order to be of any good.
Peace>>>AJ
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March 13th, 2008, 04:28 PM
Quoting BM5
everytime he came and professed a revelation from God was just recovering from an epiletic fit of sort, some would say that this type of symptom was certainly Satanic possession.
is Islam a Satanic Religion that apes Judaism/Christianity ?
is Islam a Satanic Religion that apes Judaism/Christianity ?
Principally:
- Believe in God alone without any equal, peer or associate.
- Believe in all the apostles of God including Moses, Jesus and Mohammed; without any discrimination: do not believe in some and disbelieve in others.
- Believe in all the heavenly revealed books including the Torah, the Gospel and the Quran.
While concerning Satan and the devils; they are the enemy of sons of Adam; this is in the Quran 35: 5
إِنَّ الشَّيْطَانَ لَكُمْ عَدُوٌّ فَاتَّخِذُوهُ عَدُوًّا إِنَّمَا يَدْعُو حِزْبَهُ لِيَكُونُوا مِنْ أَصْحَابِ السَّعِيرِ
The explanation: (Surely Satan is an enemy to you [who works to destroy you]; so take him for an enemy [and follow him not.] He calls his party [to disobey God in this World] only that they [in the Hereafter] may be among the inhabitants of the Blaze.)
While as regards to what they said about the alleged fit symptoms; this was a fabrication by some Muslims in a way of some enthusiasm, as did they intend to convince others or to convince themselves; there is nothing like that in the Quran.
On the contrary, Prophet Mohammed – peace be on him – was fully conscious when he received the revelation from the angel Gabriel, even he repeated the Quranic revelation after Gabriel finished his recital, in order not to forget.
The story:
Prophet Mohammed sometimes needed some explanations or he wants to know how to behave in certain circumstances, so the angel came to him with the solution of the problem or with the answer, but when he came to recite that to people, he forgot the words although the meaning is clear to him; therefore he was embarrassed, because he was trusted to convey the message. So this Quranic aya 87: 6-7
While as regards to what they said about the alleged fit symptoms; this was a fabrication by some Muslims in a way of some enthusiasm, as did they intend to convince others or to convince themselves; there is nothing like that in the Quran.
On the contrary, Prophet Mohammed – peace be on him – was fully conscious when he received the revelation from the angel Gabriel, even he repeated the Quranic revelation after Gabriel finished his recital, in order not to forget.
The story:
Prophet Mohammed sometimes needed some explanations or he wants to know how to behave in certain circumstances, so the angel came to him with the solution of the problem or with the answer, but when he came to recite that to people, he forgot the words although the meaning is clear to him; therefore he was embarrassed, because he was trusted to convey the message. So this Quranic aya 87: 6-7
سَنُقْرِؤُكَ فَلَا تَنسَى .إِلَّا مَا شَاء اللَّهُ إِنَّهُ يَعْلَمُ الْجَهْرَ وَمَا يَخْفَى .
The explanation: (We shall recite to you [the Quran by Gabriel] and you will not forget [it,]
Save [some aya's] that God wills [to make you forget; because such aya's are special to you exclusively]; surely He knows what [words] are spoken aloud and what [secrets] are hidden.)
So God – be glorified – explained that such revelation was not part of the Quran, but was some instruction special for the prophet; or else the Quran would have become extensively large.
Then he became more earnest to keep in mind every revelation that he heard from the angel; so he tried to recite even before Gabriel would finish his recital; then this Quranic aya 75: 16-19
Save [some aya's] that God wills [to make you forget; because such aya's are special to you exclusively]; surely He knows what [words] are spoken aloud and what [secrets] are hidden.)
So God – be glorified – explained that such revelation was not part of the Quran, but was some instruction special for the prophet; or else the Quran would have become extensively large.
Then he became more earnest to keep in mind every revelation that he heard from the angel; so he tried to recite even before Gabriel would finish his recital; then this Quranic aya 75: 16-19
لَا تُحَرِّكْ بِهِ لِسَانَكَ لِتَعْجَلَ بِه .ِ إِنَّ عَلَيْنَا جَمْعَهُ وَقُرْآنَه .ُ فَإِذَا قَرَأْنَاهُ فَاتَّبِعْ قُرْآنَهُ . ثُمَّ إِنَّ عَلَيْنَا بَيَانَهُ .
The explanation: ([O Mohammed] move not your tongue with the [Quran revealed to you by Gabriel] to hasten [to learn] it [by heart, or lest you should forget it.]
It is up to Us the collecting thereof and the reciting thereof.
So, when we [: Gabriel] recite it, follow [and recite] after his recitation [to ensure that you have learnt it by heart.]
Then, [after a long time] We have to explain it [to people.] )
So God forbade him to recite before Gabriel would have completed his recital; but to let Gabriel complete the recital, then to read after him; in order to ensure that he had not forgotten any of the Quranic revelation.
eanassir
http://man-after-death.741.com
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com
It is up to Us the collecting thereof and the reciting thereof.
So, when we [: Gabriel] recite it, follow [and recite] after his recitation [to ensure that you have learnt it by heart.]
Then, [after a long time] We have to explain it [to people.] )
So God forbade him to recite before Gabriel would have completed his recital; but to let Gabriel complete the recital, then to read after him; in order to ensure that he had not forgotten any of the Quranic revelation.
eanassir
http://man-after-death.741.com
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com
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March 23rd, 2008, 12:52 PM
Quoting jellyfarm
I would definitely say that the Devil started politics. :)
The Devil – together with his assistants: the devils – is the most dangerous enemy of man; because he is invisible, and intelligent and cunning.
The two destructive manners acquired initially by Satan were:
1. The pride.
2. The self-conceit.
Then God tried him with Adam, when He preferred Adam to him: God ordered the angels (and Satan was together with them) to prostrate themselves before Adam, then all angels prostrated themselves, but Satan refused to prostrate himself: he said: I am better than Adam; I shall not prostrate myself to him; my origin from fire is better than his origin from putrid decayed black organic substance.
So the other bad manners acquired by Satan afterwards were:
3. The disobedience.
4. The envy; because he envied Adam, and said: I have served God thousands of years, how can this one, with his putrid origin, be preferred to me, when he yet has not worshipped God?
5. The insisting on the disobedience: Because if he had repented and asked God His forgiveness, then God would have forgiven him, but he insisted on his disobedience, and his pride prevented him from that.
6. Then he increased in his disobedience, and started to work against Adam and his progeny, while Adam did not do any act against him originally.
Therefore, God Most Gracious warned sons of Adam of the Devil; this is in the Quran 7: 27
The two destructive manners acquired initially by Satan were:
1. The pride.
2. The self-conceit.
Then God tried him with Adam, when He preferred Adam to him: God ordered the angels (and Satan was together with them) to prostrate themselves before Adam, then all angels prostrated themselves, but Satan refused to prostrate himself: he said: I am better than Adam; I shall not prostrate myself to him; my origin from fire is better than his origin from putrid decayed black organic substance.
So the other bad manners acquired by Satan afterwards were:
3. The disobedience.
4. The envy; because he envied Adam, and said: I have served God thousands of years, how can this one, with his putrid origin, be preferred to me, when he yet has not worshipped God?
5. The insisting on the disobedience: Because if he had repented and asked God His forgiveness, then God would have forgiven him, but he insisted on his disobedience, and his pride prevented him from that.
6. Then he increased in his disobedience, and started to work against Adam and his progeny, while Adam did not do any act against him originally.
Therefore, God Most Gracious warned sons of Adam of the Devil; this is in the Quran 7: 27
يَا بَنِي آدَمَ لاَ يَفْتِنَنَّكُمُ الشَّيْطَانُ كَمَا أَخْرَجَ أَبَوَيْكُم مِّنَ الْجَنَّةِ يَنزِعُ عَنْهُمَا لِبَاسَهُمَا لِيُرِيَهُمَا سَوْءَاتِهِمَا إِنَّهُ يَرَاكُمْ هُوَ وَقَبِيلُهُ مِنْ حَيْثُ لاَ تَرَوْنَهُمْ إِنَّا جَعَلْنَا الشَّيَاطِينَ أَوْلِيَاء لِلَّذِينَ لاَ يُؤْمِنُونَ
The explanation: (Children of Adam, let not Satan seduce you as he drove your parents out of the garden, stripping them of their garments to show them their shameful parts.
Surely he sees you, he and his 'tribe who are like him', from where you see them not.
Surely, We have made the devils the masters of those who do not believe [in the messengers.])
eanassir
http://man-after-death.741.com
Surely he sees you, he and his 'tribe who are like him', from where you see them not.
Surely, We have made the devils the masters of those who do not believe [in the messengers.])
eanassir
http://man-after-death.741.com
Mighty Intellect
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Location: Northern California
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March 23rd, 2008, 06:14 PM
I like the words of Ross Per who said " The devil is hidden in the details".
The details is what we have to see in our own lives that go against what is Gods.
The whole world was made a lustful place 24/7 and rests not. Gods words are apart different from the world, therefore must be learned in the midst of this world's occupation.
If one cannot overcome this world with Gods words, then the world's 24/7 devil looks to devour whom it will.
Love is absolutely the only weapon that can defeat the 24/7 devil. But that love has to be a Godly love, not as human kind of love.
Human kind of love can turn to hate on a dime, but Gods kind of love lends forgiveness.
What then can we learn from this life?
In the midst of sufferings, trials and tribulations, we find the meaning of life! What it means to love, what it means to give things up carnal or fleshly in order to demonstrate that love which can only be from God.
The devil is just a word given many meanings by many different religious beliefs, but if one can overcome this world with love, the word devil has no meaning, because you will have conquered the world, the 24/7 devil, which is in the world's details.
Hidden yes, and it rears up it's ugly head in murders, rapes, robberies, insults, bad behavior, selfishness, jealousies and greed.
See if you can find him/it?
Peace>>>AJ
I like the words of Ross Per who said " The devil is hidden in the details".
The details is what we have to see in our own lives that go against what is Gods.
The whole world was made a lustful place 24/7 and rests not. Gods words are apart different from the world, therefore must be learned in the midst of this world's occupation.
If one cannot overcome this world with Gods words, then the world's 24/7 devil looks to devour whom it will.
Love is absolutely the only weapon that can defeat the 24/7 devil. But that love has to be a Godly love, not as human kind of love.
Human kind of love can turn to hate on a dime, but Gods kind of love lends forgiveness.
What then can we learn from this life?
In the midst of sufferings, trials and tribulations, we find the meaning of life! What it means to love, what it means to give things up carnal or fleshly in order to demonstrate that love which can only be from God.
The devil is just a word given many meanings by many different religious beliefs, but if one can overcome this world with love, the word devil has no meaning, because you will have conquered the world, the 24/7 devil, which is in the world's details.
Hidden yes, and it rears up it's ugly head in murders, rapes, robberies, insults, bad behavior, selfishness, jealousies and greed.
See if you can find him/it?
Peace>>>AJ
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March 24th, 2008, 03:33 PM
Quoting look3467
I like the words of Ross Per who said " The devil is hidden in the details".
Peace>>>AJ
Peace>>>AJ
Satan is not an idea; he is an entity; and it is mentioned in the Gospel that Jesus Christ had driven many evil souls out of some possessed men.
Moreover, the evil and good that are inside the soul of man; and man has to purify himself from every evil, and increase the good that is within himself.
This is in the Quran 91: 7-10
Moreover, the evil and good that are inside the soul of man; and man has to purify himself from every evil, and increase the good that is within himself.
This is in the Quran 91: 7-10
وَنَفْسٍ وَمَا سَوَّاهَا . فَأَلْهَمَهَا فُجُورَهَا وَتَقْوَاهَا . قَدْ أَفْلَحَ مَن زَكَّاهَا . وَقَدْ خَابَ مَن دَسَّاهَا .
The explanation:
(And [by] the soul and [the body] that shaped it!
And inspired into it its lewdness and its god-fearing.
He will be successful, who purifies it.
And he will be disappointed, who corrupts it.)
Love is essential, but it is to love God alone more than anyone else.
When man loves God exceedingly, then this is the First Commandment; but if he loves Jesus, Moses or Mohammed so much, then this will be an association: he will have associated these righteous prophets with God.
The prayer, day and night, should be exclusive for God alone.
If one prays God alone, then this is the First Commandment; but if one prays Moses, Jesus, Mohammed or Ali, then this is the association: i.e. he will have associated Jesus and the others with God.
When man sees no difference between God and Jesus or Moses, then he will have considered Jesus equal to God, and this is the enthusiasm and association, contrary to the First Commandment.
eanassir
http://man-after-death.741.com
(And [by] the soul and [the body] that shaped it!
And inspired into it its lewdness and its god-fearing.
He will be successful, who purifies it.
And he will be disappointed, who corrupts it.)
Love is essential, but it is to love God alone more than anyone else.
When man loves God exceedingly, then this is the First Commandment; but if he loves Jesus, Moses or Mohammed so much, then this will be an association: he will have associated these righteous prophets with God.
The prayer, day and night, should be exclusive for God alone.
If one prays God alone, then this is the First Commandment; but if one prays Moses, Jesus, Mohammed or Ali, then this is the association: i.e. he will have associated Jesus and the others with God.
When man sees no difference between God and Jesus or Moses, then he will have considered Jesus equal to God, and this is the enthusiasm and association, contrary to the First Commandment.
eanassir
http://man-after-death.741.com
