Mighty Intellect
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February 18th, 2008, 01:04 PM
The ability to do evil is resident in all of us, bar none. Whether we call it evil or not, religious or not, evil is evil when applied.
Evil is something that has to be overcome and only through knowledge of it and knowledge of good, can we differentiate between the two.
It does not take a religious rocket scientist to understand that, for even a child can learn to understand the difference.
If you will, that ability is what the curse on all mankind is. There is no original sin, but knowledge of Good and evil is what is, and every living soul will (unless one is mentally not able to reason) to eat of that tree.
Picture then, everything that is of the flesh must remain here after one dies, because it is not acceptable in the spiritual, for it is against God.
But the soul’s heart lives on in the spiritual, for God Himself in Jesus provided the escape from it.
Peace>>>AJ
Quote:
My interpretation is one of 'real life', as I have never heard anyone call someone a devil,
with any serious and miserable connotation, but I have heard, many times, what I
described above, and, for me that is what 'devil' means, as I have no connection with
any religious or ancient meaning, to me, that is just silly and make-believe, I cannot
relate to that at all.>>>talloola
with any serious and miserable connotation, but I have heard, many times, what I
described above, and, for me that is what 'devil' means, as I have no connection with
any religious or ancient meaning, to me, that is just silly and make-believe, I cannot
relate to that at all.>>>talloola
The ability to do evil is resident in all of us, bar none. Whether we call it evil or not, religious or not, evil is evil when applied.
Evil is something that has to be overcome and only through knowledge of it and knowledge of good, can we differentiate between the two.
It does not take a religious rocket scientist to understand that, for even a child can learn to understand the difference.
If you will, that ability is what the curse on all mankind is. There is no original sin, but knowledge of Good and evil is what is, and every living soul will (unless one is mentally not able to reason) to eat of that tree.
Picture then, everything that is of the flesh must remain here after one dies, because it is not acceptable in the spiritual, for it is against God.
But the soul’s heart lives on in the spiritual, for God Himself in Jesus provided the escape from it.
Peace>>>AJ
Mighty Intellect
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Location: Northern California
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February 18th, 2008, 01:11 PM
It is, then without excuse, not to see that love, but, it is as you wish.
If that is not exercising a godly type quality, (Choice) then we are blinded by our own ignorance.
And that, is a consideration taken into account by the almighty, on our account, thus unconditional love is rendered.
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting mrgrumpy
The sorry state is, that we fail to recognize the love that is us ward, especially during these modern times, when there is a wealth of information, our early ancestors were not privy to.
there is no devil.. No God either. No heaven or hell,or magical beings, angels or demons.
These are all the product of human imagination ,fear, wishful thinking, ignorance and insecurity.
Such is the sorry state of man's existence and lack of insightfulness that we have to create magical realms to explain our poor ignorance.
These are all the product of human imagination ,fear, wishful thinking, ignorance and insecurity.
Such is the sorry state of man's existence and lack of insightfulness that we have to create magical realms to explain our poor ignorance.
It is, then without excuse, not to see that love, but, it is as you wish.
If that is not exercising a godly type quality, (Choice) then we are blinded by our own ignorance.
And that, is a consideration taken into account by the almighty, on our account, thus unconditional love is rendered.
Peace>>>AJ
Clever Clogs
Posts: 605
February 18th, 2008, 01:58 PM
Quoting look3467
You see and explain that saying of Jesus at face value, while I see the spiritual happenings behind that saying.
This is what I mean: you give the words meaning other than the obvious meaning. Who says : Jesus meant this? Or will you impose such meaning on him, and it must be so, other than the evident meaning?
You see and explain that saying of Jesus at face value, while I see the spiritual happenings behind that saying.
Time Out
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February 18th, 2008, 02:31 PM
Look raises a good point - the Bible, or any other "Holy Scripture" is so vague and subject to "interpretation" that any clever fellow could make it mean whatever he wants. And has.It's one of the silliest "books " ever written. And one of the most hateful.
Look raises a good point - the Bible, or any other "Holy Scripture" is so vague and subject to "interpretation" that any clever fellow could make it mean whatever he wants. And has.It's one of the silliest "books " ever written. And one of the most hateful.
Clever Clogs
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February 18th, 2008, 02:42 PM
While the word "devils" indicate the many individuals among the alive demon, human beings, and their evil souls.
All these whisper and suggest to man every disobedience of God.
This is in the Quran 6: 112
eanassir
Quoting dirtylinder
The Devil, Satan, Beelzebub (or Ibliess) indicates one person, who is their father and the chief one.
Devil<>Lived
While the word "devils" indicate the many individuals among the alive demon, human beings, and their evil souls.
All these whisper and suggest to man every disobedience of God.
This is in the Quran 6: 112
وَكَذَلِكَ جَعَلْنَا لِكُلِّ نِبِيٍّ عَدُوًّا شَيَاطِينَ الإِنسِ وَالْجِنِّ يُوحِي بَعْضُهُمْ إِلَى بَعْضٍ زُخْرُفَ الْقَوْلِ غُرُورًا
The explanation: (As such have We appointed to every prophet an enemy – devils of men and genies; inspiring tawdry words to each other, by way of deception.)
eanassir
Clever Clogs
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February 18th, 2008, 02:49 PM
Quoting mrgrumpy
On the contrary, the word of God is the guide of man, and it save him from the darkness of ignorance, atheism, idolatry and polytheism to the light of recognizing God the Creator Who bestowed on man every bounty, and yet the disbeliever is ungrateful and after being a little amount of seminal fluid, then becoming a man, he became an opponent of His Creator. Truly, the atheist and the polytheist who associate others with God; such are like the blind.
Look raises a good point - the Bible, or any other "Holy Scripture" is so vague and subject to "interpretation" that any clever fellow could make it mean whatever he wants. And has.It's one of the silliest "books " ever written. And one of the most hateful.
Time Out
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February 18th, 2008, 02:53 PM
Dear EANSSIR;
I TAKE IT YOU ARE A MUSLIM.
A FOLLOWER OF THAT SO CALL CALLED PROPHET.
THE CHILD RAPIST AND INFIDEL.
MAY YOU SEE THE ERROR OFYOUR WAYS AND FORSAKE YOUR FAITH IN WHAT THE WORLD HAS COME TO DISCOVER AS "THE STUDIDSET RELIGION OF ALL TIME".
YEAH, PEACE ASHOLE.
Dear EANSSIR;
I TAKE IT YOU ARE A MUSLIM.
A FOLLOWER OF THAT SO CALL CALLED PROPHET.
THE CHILD RAPIST AND INFIDEL.
MAY YOU SEE THE ERROR OFYOUR WAYS AND FORSAKE YOUR FAITH IN WHAT THE WORLD HAS COME TO DISCOVER AS "THE STUDIDSET RELIGION OF ALL TIME".
YEAH, PEACE ASHOLE.
Clever Clogs
Posts: 605
February 18th, 2008, 03:24 PM
Quoting mrgrumpy
You are forging lies; and I guess what are you; you are only an enemy of both Jesus and Mohammed; and you are stubborn like the stubborn deniers of all the prophets. God gives witness to the prophecy of his servant Mohammed, even if you dislike that.
Dear EANSSIR;
I TAKE IT YOU ARE A MUSLIM.
A FOLLOWER OF THAT SO CALL CALLED PROPHET.
THE CHILD RAPIST AND INFIDEL.
MAY YOU SEE THE ERROR OFYOUR WAYS AND FORSAKE YOUR FAITH IN WHAT THE WORLD HAS COME TO DISCOVER AS "THE STUDIDSET RELIGION OF ALL TIME".
YEAH, PEACE ASHOLE.
I TAKE IT YOU ARE A MUSLIM.
A FOLLOWER OF THAT SO CALL CALLED PROPHET.
THE CHILD RAPIST AND INFIDEL.
MAY YOU SEE THE ERROR OFYOUR WAYS AND FORSAKE YOUR FAITH IN WHAT THE WORLD HAS COME TO DISCOVER AS "THE STUDIDSET RELIGION OF ALL TIME".
YEAH, PEACE ASHOLE.
Knows No Bounds
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Location: Vancouver Island
Location: Vancouver Island
February 18th, 2008, 05:51 PM
[quote=look3467;927990]
The ability to do evil is resident in all of us, bar none. Whether we call it evil or not, religious or not, evil is evil when applied.
Evil is something that has to be overcome and only through knowledge of it and knowledge of good, can we differentiate between the two.
Yes, the word 'evil' is another story. A very dark disturbing word, but not 'devil', it is
lighthearted and cheaky.
[quote=look3467;927990]
The ability to do evil is resident in all of us, bar none. Whether we call it evil or not, religious or not, evil is evil when applied.
Evil is something that has to be overcome and only through knowledge of it and knowledge of good, can we differentiate between the two.
Yes, the word 'evil' is another story. A very dark disturbing word, but not 'devil', it is
lighthearted and cheaky.
Knows No Bounds
Posts: 2,650
Location: Vancouver Island
Location: Vancouver Island
February 18th, 2008, 06:00 PM
My avatar is my husband and our 'chocolate lab' Joe, he was born right into the palm of
my hand, the last littler of labs that I bred for, as I bred and raised show/hunting labs
for many years.
He is so handsome and so perfect in all ways that, I feel like the luckiest person to have him. He has a beautiful lab temperament, and all he really wants is, to be close to us
and lay right at our feet. He also seems to take an interest in hockey games on tv at
times, so, what more could one ask of their dog. He knows not to get exicted when
the leafs play.
Quoting mrgrumpy
nice dog...Lab?
My avatar is my husband and our 'chocolate lab' Joe, he was born right into the palm of
my hand, the last littler of labs that I bred for, as I bred and raised show/hunting labs
for many years.
He is so handsome and so perfect in all ways that, I feel like the luckiest person to have him. He has a beautiful lab temperament, and all he really wants is, to be close to us
and lay right at our feet. He also seems to take an interest in hockey games on tv at
times, so, what more could one ask of their dog. He knows not to get exicted when
the leafs play.
Mighty Intellect
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Location: Northern California
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February 18th, 2008, 07:47 PM
When I want not to take responsibility for my actions, I will blame..............the devil?
Or, if I want to describe a person's character who has committed a crime, would I call him the devil incarnate?
But really, lets be realistic, the power of suggestion is just a thought, but when it takes seed, the thought becomes and action, whether it be a good thought or an evil thought.
So, the lusts of the flesh which are, greed, jealousies,prejudices glutenous, power and glory, are what the flesh desires which are against God and of which God gives power over.
So, the devil is all these things, that when action is taken, the devil gets the blame.
Peace>>>AJ
When I want not to take responsibility for my actions, I will blame..............the devil?
Or, if I want to describe a person's character who has committed a crime, would I call him the devil incarnate?
But really, lets be realistic, the power of suggestion is just a thought, but when it takes seed, the thought becomes and action, whether it be a good thought or an evil thought.
So, the lusts of the flesh which are, greed, jealousies,prejudices glutenous, power and glory, are what the flesh desires which are against God and of which God gives power over.
So, the devil is all these things, that when action is taken, the devil gets the blame.
Peace>>>AJ
Mighty Intellect
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February 18th, 2008, 07:56 PM
To see the value of God, ones eyes must first be opened to see, as the verse goes: ...."they have eyes but can not see, ears but can not hear"....so is mankind whose eyes have not being opened to the spiritual world.
That is no fault of mankind, but blindness today is no excuse, because of the wealth of information available for our own personal research.
If we don't like the churches, then seek that information out personally, and make that determination for oneself.
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting mrgrumpy
My point is, that blindness happens to all mankind, for we are all born in darkness, and drawn to the light as we progress through this journey of life.
Mildly curious to know what point you are trying to make...
To see the value of God, ones eyes must first be opened to see, as the verse goes: ...."they have eyes but can not see, ears but can not hear"....so is mankind whose eyes have not being opened to the spiritual world.
That is no fault of mankind, but blindness today is no excuse, because of the wealth of information available for our own personal research.
If we don't like the churches, then seek that information out personally, and make that determination for oneself.
Peace>>>AJ
Clever Clogs
Posts: 605
February 19th, 2008, 12:16 AM
[quote=talloola;928055]
In addition, there are devils: invisible beings, that stir this evil and enhance man to commit faults against God, against himself and against others.
This cannot be denied, and mentioned in all the heavenly books.
[quote=talloola;928055]
Quoting look3467
True. The ability to do evil is resident in all of us, bar none. Whether we call it evil or not, religious or not, evil is evil when applied.
Evil is something that has to be overcome and only through knowledge of it and knowledge of good, can we differentiate between the two.
Yes, the word 'evil' is another story. A very dark disturbing word, but not 'devil', it is
lighthearted and cheaky.
Evil is something that has to be overcome and only through knowledge of it and knowledge of good, can we differentiate between the two.
Yes, the word 'evil' is another story. A very dark disturbing word, but not 'devil', it is
lighthearted and cheaky.
In addition, there are devils: invisible beings, that stir this evil and enhance man to commit faults against God, against himself and against others.
This cannot be denied, and mentioned in all the heavenly books.
eanassir
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Knows No Bounds
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Location: Vancouver Island
Location: Vancouver Island
February 19th, 2008, 12:27 AM
[quote=eanassir;928114]
[quote=eanassir;928114]
Quoting talloola
True.
In addition, there are devils: invisible beings, that stir this evil and enhance man to commit faults against God, against himself and against others.
This cannot be denied, and mentioned in all the heavenly books.
Oh dear, I'm afraid you're buggered, no offense really, just my observation. True.
In addition, there are devils: invisible beings, that stir this evil and enhance man to commit faults against God, against himself and against others.
This cannot be denied, and mentioned in all the heavenly books.
eanassir
Genius
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February 19th, 2008, 01:46 AM
To answer the original question of this post: I think there is ample evidence that all religion is man made. So if the devil is a man then it is fair to say all of them. If the devil is also man made (highly probable) then it is fair to say non of them. The devil is in the details.
To answer the original question of this post: I think there is ample evidence that all religion is man made. So if the devil is a man then it is fair to say all of them. If the devil is also man made (highly probable) then it is fair to say non of them. The devil is in the details.
Mighty Intellect
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February 19th, 2008, 11:22 AM
Religious upbringing need not apply, for even one who knows not God has within the same ability to discern good from evil, for the inner man of the heart, is the conciseness of the spirit of God.
The strength of conviction then, is monitored by the Holy Spirit of God in the inner man and gives strength to those convictions according to His will.
Got to remember, that this life is a learning course, that both sides are needed in order to contrast the differences by which we may exercise good judgment in all matters.
Wrestling with God is an everyday occurrence, because the inner man's spirit drives by prompts to give action to those prompts.
Therefore, choices are made, and many times our choices are fleshly based rather that spiritually based, and are prone to be repeated until we get it right.
All the time though, whether right or wrong, God is a loving parent, willing that none should perish, but that all should be saved.
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting Scott Free
The devil is not man but the devil instincts in man is. Devil instincts are those things which go against anything that is godly.
To answer the original question of this post: I think there is ample evidence that all religion is man made. So if the devil is a man then it is fair to say all of them. If the devil is also man made (highly probable) then it is fair to say non of them. The devil is in the details.
Religious upbringing need not apply, for even one who knows not God has within the same ability to discern good from evil, for the inner man of the heart, is the conciseness of the spirit of God.
The strength of conviction then, is monitored by the Holy Spirit of God in the inner man and gives strength to those convictions according to His will.
Got to remember, that this life is a learning course, that both sides are needed in order to contrast the differences by which we may exercise good judgment in all matters.
Wrestling with God is an everyday occurrence, because the inner man's spirit drives by prompts to give action to those prompts.
Therefore, choices are made, and many times our choices are fleshly based rather that spiritually based, and are prone to be repeated until we get it right.
All the time though, whether right or wrong, God is a loving parent, willing that none should perish, but that all should be saved.
Peace>>>AJ
