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January 27th, 2007, 03:47 AM
Debates and disagreements between atheists and theists tend to center over a single issue: gods, or at least whether or not any gods can or do exist. The is the one thing which differentiates atheists from theists — it isn’t necessarily much of an issue, but it can be magnified by a variety of other philosophical, social, and religious matters. Because of the fundamental importance of this one issue to all general discussions between atheists and theists, it is critical that those who participate in such discussions have a better understanding of just what it is they are talking about and why. After all, what’s the point of debating the possible existence of “God” if no one has tried to come to some sort of agreement as to what they mean by “God”? .When a theist claims that a god exists, one of the first questions atheists should ask is “what do you mean by ‘god’?” Without understanding what the theist means, the atheist simply cannot evaluate the claim. By the same token, unless the theist is very clear about what he means, he cannot adequately explain and defend his beliefs.
Debates and disagreements between atheists and theists tend to center over a single issue: gods, or at least whether or not any gods can or do exist. The is the one thing which differentiates atheists from theists — it isn’t necessarily much of an issue, but it can be magnified by a variety of other philosophical, social, and religious matters. Because of the fundamental importance of this one issue to all general discussions between atheists and theists, it is critical that those who participate in such discussions have a better understanding of just what it is they are talking about and why. After all, what’s the point of debating the possible existence of “God” if no one has tried to come to some sort of agreement as to what they mean by “God”? .When a theist claims that a god exists, one of the first questions atheists should ask is “what do you mean by ‘god’?” Without understanding what the theist means, the atheist simply cannot evaluate the claim. By the same token, unless the theist is very clear about what he means, he cannot adequately explain and defend his beliefs.
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January 27th, 2007, 06:34 AM
I remember a story someone told me about, someone really smart and intelligent
Once there was a question raised: "what would you firstl likely do, if some day they would come up with the definite evidence that there is no mystery, no angels, no afterlife, no reincarnations, nothing at all, just the earth, the galaxy and the universe, just because it happened to be there for no reason at all?" and someone answered: "Well, huh, firstly I would definitely kill some of my enemies, rob a bank and rape their daughters, this is my way of freedom" he said.
Quoting vinod1975
Yes, really well said, I hope you now have a very clear understanding of what you're actually talking about and why
it is critical that those who participate in such discussions have a better understanding of just what it is they are talking about and why.
I remember a story someone told me about, someone really smart and intelligent
Once there was a question raised: "what would you firstl likely do, if some day they would come up with the definite evidence that there is no mystery, no angels, no afterlife, no reincarnations, nothing at all, just the earth, the galaxy and the universe, just because it happened to be there for no reason at all?" and someone answered: "Well, huh, firstly I would definitely kill some of my enemies, rob a bank and rape their daughters, this is my way of freedom" he said.
Quoting vinod1975
After all, there is no reason of "debating" or "questioning" anyone at all in that case, and live happily ever after.
After all, what’s the point of debating the possible existence of “God” if no one has tried to come to some sort of agreement as to what they mean by “God”?
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January 27th, 2007, 10:40 AM
If you believe in psychokinesis raise my hand....
Quoting cortex
Welcome to the sphere of the rational.
God is a mass delusion.
Please read Richard Dawkin's ---"The God delusion"---its all there.
Reading this book finally gave me the impetus to move from agnostic to athiest--and it feels great.
To think that I feel I can with confidence know the answer to one of life's greatest mysteries.
Please read Richard Dawkin's ---"The God delusion"---its all there.
Reading this book finally gave me the impetus to move from agnostic to athiest--and it feels great.
To think that I feel I can with confidence know the answer to one of life's greatest mysteries.
If you believe in psychokinesis raise my hand....
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Location: Vancouver Island
Location: Vancouver Island
January 27th, 2007, 11:35 AM
I believe because of the "primitive" thought process, and lack of "invention", a long time ago, man
was overwhelmed by any natural process of the earth, "lightening", "thunder", etc. etc., and began
to become slaves to these processes, and then began to worship them, and decided that something
was making that happen, so they became slaves to those happenings.
If that didn't happen, then, there was the presence of "outerspace" beings who landed on our earth
thousands of years ago, and controlled, and gave instructions to the "earthlings", and became the
"gods" who man worshipped. Wonder what ever happened to them. I don't believe in UFO's now,but I
dont' exclude that people from other planets could have been here a long time ago. The sight of angels and gods in the heavens could have been "outer space real beings,maybe they came from
a planet that has "since" ceased to exist. I believe that any information passed down throughout the
thousands of years past, were vastly exaggerated as time went by, (that happens even now), and
I am not going to live by the thoughts that were written down by people who had very simple
thoughts, were controlled by happenings by nature, and didn't have the intelligence to figure out
much of anything "scientific".
I wonder about many things that happened back then, but none of my thoughts are connected to
any god, that is "fantasy".
So, my answer to this question is, either of the above.
I believe because of the "primitive" thought process, and lack of "invention", a long time ago, man
was overwhelmed by any natural process of the earth, "lightening", "thunder", etc. etc., and began
to become slaves to these processes, and then began to worship them, and decided that something
was making that happen, so they became slaves to those happenings.
If that didn't happen, then, there was the presence of "outerspace" beings who landed on our earth
thousands of years ago, and controlled, and gave instructions to the "earthlings", and became the
"gods" who man worshipped. Wonder what ever happened to them. I don't believe in UFO's now,but I
dont' exclude that people from other planets could have been here a long time ago. The sight of angels and gods in the heavens could have been "outer space real beings,maybe they came from
a planet that has "since" ceased to exist. I believe that any information passed down throughout the
thousands of years past, were vastly exaggerated as time went by, (that happens even now), and
I am not going to live by the thoughts that were written down by people who had very simple
thoughts, were controlled by happenings by nature, and didn't have the intelligence to figure out
much of anything "scientific".
I wonder about many things that happened back then, but none of my thoughts are connected to
any god, that is "fantasy".
So, my answer to this question is, either of the above.
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January 27th, 2007, 07:12 PM
I would like to hear the answers and REAL evidence from those intelligent and amazingly smart atheists:
1. "...Does anybody know what are we living for???"
2. How did the earth begin life???
3. How was the human initially born? (don't give me the Darwin's theory, it's only a theory, nothing more, and the latest theories suggest that this theory is very fragile, since there is no evidence of the evolution of any animal on this planet).
4. What happens to us when we die (give the definite evidence pls)
5. Why don't we fly and the dinosaurs did?
I would like to hear the answers and REAL evidence from those intelligent and amazingly smart atheists:
1. "...Does anybody know what are we living for???"
2. How did the earth begin life???
3. How was the human initially born? (don't give me the Darwin's theory, it's only a theory, nothing more, and the latest theories suggest that this theory is very fragile, since there is no evidence of the evolution of any animal on this planet).
4. What happens to us when we die (give the definite evidence pls)
5. Why don't we fly and the dinosaurs did?
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Location: Vancouver Island
Location: Vancouver Island
January 27th, 2007, 08:12 PM
Quoting Chukcha
And while we're doing that, you prove their is a god!!!!!
I would like to hear the answers and REAL evidence from those intelligent and amazingly smart atheists:
1. "...Does anybody know what are we living for???"
2. How did the earth begin life???
3. How was the human initially born? (don't give me the Darwin's theory, it's only a theory, nothing more, and the latest theories suggest that this theory is very fragile, since there is no evidence of the evolution of any animal on this planet).
4. What happens to us when we die (give the definite evidence pls)
5. Why don't we fly and the dinosaurs did?
1. "...Does anybody know what are we living for???"
2. How did the earth begin life???
3. How was the human initially born? (don't give me the Darwin's theory, it's only a theory, nothing more, and the latest theories suggest that this theory is very fragile, since there is no evidence of the evolution of any animal on this planet).
4. What happens to us when we die (give the definite evidence pls)
5. Why don't we fly and the dinosaurs did?
Les
Posts: 6,040
Location: 50 acres in Kootenays BC
Location: 50 acres in Kootenays BC
January 27th, 2007, 08:26 PM
"The desire for guidance, love, and support prompts men to form the social or moral conception of God. "
Albert Einstein
Quoting The Project Man
That's too easy. Gods, faeries, leprachauns, poltergeists, gnomes, sprites, ogres, Santa Claus, etc. are creations of humans.
Give the definition of god. A FINITE DEFINITION! The god, any and all.... Any faith...DEFINE god!?
"The desire for guidance, love, and support prompts men to form the social or moral conception of God. "
Albert Einstein
Les
Posts: 6,040
Location: 50 acres in Kootenays BC
Location: 50 acres in Kootenays BC
January 27th, 2007, 08:36 PM
2. The appropriate conditions were met (the right molecules, energies, etc.).
3.Humnas evolved out of the same things that all the other life evolved from. BTW, you could improve your knowledge of biology and take a lesson or two. Darwin's works are theories. Not hypotheses. Try reading "15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense" by the author of Scientific American. Evolution happened and is happening. The newest evidence I can see is the growing resistance of virii to anti-biotics. They are evolving so that anti-biotics are harmless to them.
4.You are either plugged full of preservatives and buried, or you are baked and what's left is stuck in an urn or a box.
5.Who said we don't fly?
Quoting Chukcha
1. We are living for a while.
I would like to hear the answers and REAL evidence from those intelligent and amazingly smart atheists:
1. "...Does anybody know what are we living for???"
2. How did the earth begin life???
3. How was the human initially born? (don't give me the Darwin's theory, it's only a theory, nothing more, and the latest theories suggest that this theory is very fragile, since there is no evidence of the evolution of any animal on this planet).
4. What happens to us when we die (give the definite evidence pls)
5. Why don't we fly and the dinosaurs did?
1. "...Does anybody know what are we living for???"
2. How did the earth begin life???
3. How was the human initially born? (don't give me the Darwin's theory, it's only a theory, nothing more, and the latest theories suggest that this theory is very fragile, since there is no evidence of the evolution of any animal on this planet).
4. What happens to us when we die (give the definite evidence pls)
5. Why don't we fly and the dinosaurs did?
2. The appropriate conditions were met (the right molecules, energies, etc.).
3.Humnas evolved out of the same things that all the other life evolved from. BTW, you could improve your knowledge of biology and take a lesson or two. Darwin's works are theories. Not hypotheses. Try reading "15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense" by the author of Scientific American. Evolution happened and is happening. The newest evidence I can see is the growing resistance of virii to anti-biotics. They are evolving so that anti-biotics are harmless to them.
4.You are either plugged full of preservatives and buried, or you are baked and what's left is stuck in an urn or a box.
5.Who said we don't fly?
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Posts: 3,171
Location: Vancouver Island
Location: Vancouver Island
January 27th, 2007, 09:44 PM
You have seen him (it, her), tell me about it.
Quoting vinod1975
I have seen such thing , happens in front of me which are scientifically not possible.. but those things happned, so I belive GOD is there , here
You have seen him (it, her), tell me about it.
Les
Posts: 6,040
Location: 50 acres in Kootenays BC
Location: 50 acres in Kootenays BC
January 27th, 2007, 09:52 PM
I've seen some weird stuff, too. That just gives me cause to realize I don't know everything. It doesn't give me cause to start dreaming up fantasies to believe in.
Quoting vinod1975
I believe Santa Claus is real.
I have seen such thing , happens in front of me which are scientifically not possible.. but those things happned, so I belive GOD is there , here
I've seen some weird stuff, too. That just gives me cause to realize I don't know everything. It doesn't give me cause to start dreaming up fantasies to believe in.
