Three perspectives on why man is God’s master.

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Three perspectives on why man is God’s master.

Perspective 1.
Has man forgotten his rightful place as God’s master?

A theology makes you a slave to your God while the Jesus that Gnostic Christians follow has man take his rightful place as God’s master. After all, all the Gods are man-made. That is why Gnostic Christianity has always put man ahead of God. The Karaite Jews have that view as well as their oral tradition can overrule the written Torah and God himself, showing how old this tradition or ideology is.

It seems that without the lie of a supernatural God, people are not willing to have a man be God the way the ancients used to do. Emperors used to name themselves God and their sons, sons of God.

One of the Jesus' that the church did not silence, tells us that that is the right way to think when he said, instead of stoning people on the Sabbath, that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. I extrapolate from that, that Jesus would also say that religions and gods were made for man and not man for religions. Jesus answered them, is it not written in your law, I said, Yee are gods?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D

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Perspective 2.
Does the Bible show that our next God is a Man?

The Bible states that when Jesus returns, his elect will make themselves known and elect him to rule over them. The Bible states that our new Jesus will not be recognizable and he will be elected by his Words. Remember that the story tellers, in one of the sequels, have named Jesus. --- The Word.

The Abrahamic Karaite oral tradition is that Rabbis, men generally, can overrule the written Word of God. In real language, this means that the interpretation of words and terms is to always be governed by men of the Divine Council and their elected God.

The voice of a man, to the Bible, --- is supreme and above God’s written words. That is as it should be as nature makes the ideal of all species to be one of their own. If a God cannot be or is not in our true image, then God is not worthy of us. This is the logic and reason why the rule of man over written tradition must be supreme. Anything else would be humankind giving up our natures for the nature of an alien form. God forbid.

More directly to the question. The Bible states that we are to kill witches. This, at that time, meant that men were not to let themselves be fooled by magicians or alchemists and other tricksters who might deceive them. This meant that nothing magical or supernatural, no magician doing illusions, etc., should be put above the spoken word.

The policy of the Divine Council was to rule by the tenet called the Golden Rule. The Rabbi class thus had the final say in all religious and political matters. The Divine Council would choose whom to anoint and follow as their Prophet/God/King.

Does this ultimately show that God was a man to the Jews who wrote the Bible? Is that why they were so unafraid to change Gods name so often?

Where Jews the first atheists? Closely followed by the Gnostic that had used Jewry as a springboard to their better Universalist creed? Is that why Rome hated Jews and Gnostic Christian?

If the Jews interpreted the word God as a man, the way the old Roman emperors did, then was placing a supernatural God up in heaven a poor theological position for us today.

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Perspective 3.
Does as above so below mean that God must abide by man’s laws?

Jesus said to give to Caesar what is Caesars. Caesar makes the laws we live by and no religion is true to the laws set out by their Gods. Thank God as those laws are quite barbaric. For example, both Yahweh and Allah, through the mouths of men, promote stoning for adultery and sundry other sins. This of course ignores that both Gods show justice as being close to an eye for an eye which is what secular laws try to gauge punishment by.

There is a military term that says that the pace to be set by the troops is as fast as the slowest man. This is so that no man is left behind.

Since we have collectively decided that secular law is superior to the laws of heaven and God, does that mean that when Jesus return, he will validate secular law and ask us to follow Caesar?

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DL
 

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Three perspectives on why man is God’s master.

Jesus is not God, neither God is Jesus.
Jesus is the servant, and God is the Master; and the servant is not greater than his Master.

Jesus is the messenger, and he is not greater than the One Who sent him.

Jesus Christ is the son of man (like that all of us are sons of man) not the son of God.

Jesus Christ will not come again by his material body, but will come like the lightning with his spirit or soul, not with his body.

God will rule and He rules from the eternity to the infinity; none can oppose His rule.

The Christ was an apostle like other apostles or messengers.

He cannot do anything unless his Lord permits, allows and helps him.

The coming of Jesus Christ again is in order to instruct the Mahdi (the Comforter) and to confirm God's religion: the exclusive devotion to God alone.

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/112.htm#a112_1
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The one that will rule will be the Mahdi: the Comforter or the apostle of the Christ.
The Mahdi will be the anointed one (lit. Christ or Messiah)
 

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Jesus is not God, neither God is Jesus.
Jesus is the servant, and God is the Master; and the servant is not greater than his Master.

Jesus is the messenger, and he is not greater than the One Who sent him.

Jesus Christ is the son of man (like that all of us are sons of man) not the son of God.

Jesus Christ will not come again by his material body, but will come like the lightning with his spirit or soul, not with his body.

God will rule and He rules from the eternity to the infinity; none can oppose His rule.

The Christ was an apostle like other apostles or messengers.

He cannot do anything unless his Lord permits, allows and helps him.

The coming of Jesus Christ again is in order to instruct the Mahdi (the Comforter) and to confirm God's religion: the exclusive devotion to God alone.

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/112.htm#a112_1
<quran-ayat.com/pret/112.htm#a112_1>

The one that will rule will be the Mahdi: the Comforter or the apostle of the Christ.
The Mahdi will be the anointed one (lit. Christ or Messiah)
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You seem to think your God to be quite strong, yet so weak that he needs a huge bunch of slaves to do for him.


What makes you want such a God? Why would you want a God who is a slave holder? Is slavery good?


You also seem conflicted on Jesus. He said he came to serve man, yet you have his other third, doing the opposite and wanting man to serve him. Is your triune God conflicted as well?


Regards
DL
 

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God is never weak, and He is not in need of the worship of anyone; the universe is full of his servants who worship Him alone either willingly in the life of the World or by compulsion following their death.

Yes, the servitude to God is excellent, and will be free from slavery to others; God - be glorified - wants the advantage of His servants, but the disbeliever and atheist refuses anything but to blaspheme and then receive his due punishment.

The atheist and disbeliever has not become a disbeliever or atheist unless he is a wrong-doer and transgressor and hard-hearted towards the weak and the poor so that God misguides him.
 

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'God' is a fictional creation of man, and does not exist in reality.



I agree and find it strange that so many want to slave themselves to an imaginary entity.


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DL

God is never weak, and He is not in need of the worship of anyone; the universe is full of his servants who worship Him alone either willingly in the life of the World or by compulsion following their death.

Yes, the servitude to God is excellent, and will be free from slavery to others; God - be glorified - wants the advantage of His servants, but the disbeliever and atheist refuses anything but to blaspheme and then receive his due punishment.

The atheist and disbeliever has not become a disbeliever or atheist unless he is a wrong-doer and transgressor and hard-hearted towards the weak and the poor so that God misguides him.


God is weak if he needs slaves to do things that he cannot do, and if he does not need worship, why does he command it on pain of hell?


Strange that a God who is all powerful cannot persuade instead of using compulsion and fear.


Due punishment? What should be the true punishment for a human that decides not to love your genocidal son murdering God?
IOW, what punishment is due one who has a decent moral sense and rejects such a God?


" The atheist and disbeliever has not become a disbeliever or atheist unless he is a wrong-doer"


Wow. Ghandi will end in hell according to you. Right?


I see your God as, "hard-hearted towards the weak", by demanding that the weak serve the strong.


You are to emulate your God's ways. Right?


In your family, do you make the weak serve the strong or doe your strong family members demand that the weak serve them?


Regards
DL