Quote: Originally Posted by Danbones
i would think a creator would rather see his creations on their feet
not on their knees
IF it ever comes down to it, I'll take responsibility for my own actions
don't kneed no saviour
so be it
Once you enter the grave you will. That is what the Bible is about, there is one way back from the grave and God gathers everybody rather than just a few. That is why He is called the God of the Living rather than God of the some of mankind. Once He does that for you and everybody you have ever loved you will start to appreciate having Him around. Eventually it will be for many reasons but all in it's time.
Until then the only way to get His approval is to take care of those who are less fortunate than you are. That message is 2 verses long so if believers can't understand that little bit then it is no wonder the rest of the book is also a mystery to them.
It would appear that fake news has been around for a long time and keeping that out of the news will get all the effort it needs.
If anything Christians are worse off than the benefactors of gifts from above. Religion is a business with merchandise for sale in case the free gift of salvation is too high a price to pay. Did I mention that people that use His name for gain pay twice as much if it ends up being for personal gain?
The book does come with it's own warning and from my POV you can tell a lie and have it believed by everybody or tell the truth and have it believed by nobody.
(1611 KJV Preface in part)
The Translators To The Reader
Zeale to promote the common good, whether it be by devising any thing our selves, or revising that which hath bene laboured by others, deserveth certainly much respect and esteeme, but yet findeth but cold intertainment in the world. It is welcommed with suspicion in stead of love, and with emulation in stead of thankes: and if there be any hole left for cavill to enter, (and cavill, if it doe not finde a hole, will make one) it is sure to bee misconstrued, and in danger to be condemned.
Quote: Originally Posted by Corduroy
Your argument here is a little murky but I suppose this is what it rests on. You say "none of us" but surely there must be some people willing to suffer for other people's sin, I think you see it happen quite frequently. So if some Christians were willing to die for someone's sin, they wouldn't be breaking the Golden Rule when they accept Jesus for doing the same.
But you aren't comparing like to like here. The Golden Rule really only applies to human relationships. If Jesus sacrifices himself for people, people can't reciprocate because in the internal physics of "sacrifice for sin" people aren't sacrificed for God's sin. And if you're talking about people sacrificing themselves for others people's sins, it doesn't work like that either.
One aspect not covered for obvious reasons is that Jesus came for all flesh that ever had life rather than just mankind. God killed and animal to make some clothes for Adam and Eve. If you guessed it was a lamb then you gain 1 point with God. If not you don't and the contest is now closed)
Jesus will create a feast for birds and animals and then He kills them as flesh that does not know the difference between good and evil will not survive the fire that God sends on the earth when Satan is sent to the fiery lake. To make up for those two sins all flesh that had life on this earth will have it restored when the new earth begins.
Therefore shall the land mourn,
and every one that dwelleth therein shall languish,
with the beasts of the field,
and with the fowls of heaven;
the fishes of the sea also shall be taken away.
And when they entered unto the heathen,
whither they went,
they profaned my holy name,
when they said to them,
These are the people of the LORD,
and are gone forth out of his land.
But I had pity for mine holy name,
which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen,
whither they went.
Therefore say unto the house of Israel,
Thus saith the Lord GOD;
I do not this for your sakes,
O house of Israel,
but for mine holy name's sake,
which ye have profaned among the heathen,
whither ye went.
And I will sanctify my great name,
which was profaned among the heathen,
which ye have profaned in the midst of them;
and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD,
saith the Lord GOD,
when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
The flesh that is not in Adam and Eve's image is based on the 4 beasts standing around the throne in Re:4. Think of them as the parents of God and the Holy Spirit so the other flesh is like naming your first born after them as that is who they are modeled after.
What have people been doing with the book for the last 2,000 years if this is coming as news??