The cunning atheist leader


selfsame
#1
Dawkins speaks many fallacies and asserts many debatable things with certainty, so he tells the falsehood as if he told the truth.
He has a good language: uses clear expressions in a convincing style and words. I know many people with different beliefs having such talents of speaking and listening to others.
But this will not exempt him form his falsehood, assertions and fallacies which he tells others with certainty.

Moreover, he is a cunning man (in addition to many organizations and atheists who uphold him.)
E.g. I saw some of his videos on the youtube; in one of such videos, he was interviewed by a young Arab and Muslim, the young man dumbfound him, so Dawkins ridiculed the man by asking him: Do you believe in the journey of Prophet Mohammed to heaven on the winged horse? And by this trick he let others (most of them in addition to those managing the meeting were atheists and enthusiastics), so he made them laugh at the young man.

Then the manager of the youtube, with some acts of photoshop, started to slow the movements of the arm and head of the young man and adding some photoshop work to demonstrate that the young man is illusioned and is dreaming of a rider on a winged horse going up to heaven.

There were many points on such videos of this Dawkins, where he cunningly mixed the Islam religion with the flaws of Muslims, while the Islam religion is different from Muslims, and when most Muslims now follow the traditional Islam, and therefore, their opinions are not the arguments against the Islam and the Quran.

E.g. in one of his videos, he said: the Islam has stagnated since the dark and middle ages, while it is not the Islam that stagnated but Muslims stagnated on account of their following the flawed traditions rather than the Quran teachings.
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If we compare Dawkins with many others like the English and the Americans who interviewed with him, we will see that the man surpasses them with his clear words and expressions; so he speaks with confidence and quietness so as to reveal to others that he is absolutely true.
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lone wolf
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#2
Atheist is independent - without Church - so atheism can hardly have a leader - even a cunning one
 
selfsame
#3
So this 'winged horse' is an example of the traditions which are else than the Quran.
Nothing in the Quran is mentioned about any 'winged horse', but it is said that Prophet Mohammed, together with the angel Gabriel, went by night to Jerusalem then to heaven.

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Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

Atheist is independent - without Church - so atheism can hardly have a leader - even a cunning one

Now this man is the most prominent and famous one among atheists, and is a leader to falsehood and a leader (of his followers and many people whom he deceives with his decorated words and fluent expressions) to Hell in the Next Life.
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Ludlow
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by selfsameView Post

So this 'winged horse' is an example of the traditions which are else than the Quran.
Nothing in the Quran is mentioned about any 'winged horse', but it is said that Prophet Mohammed, together with the angel Gabriel, went by night to Jerusalem then to heaven.

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Now this man is the most prominent and famous one among atheists, and is a leader to falsehood and a leader (of his followers and many people whom he deceives with his decorated words and fluent expressions) to Hell in the Next Life.

He feels the same about you Selfsap. That you're full of shat. And you silly bullshyt religion confirms it every day dummy..
 
selfsame
#5
Another point against Dawkins: he mixes all religions in one category: this is the most cunning of his art.
Of course he and many others know very well that the Quran is the word of God, but they cheat themselves by saying the opposite.
Therefore, there is the God's religion in a category and the other religions in one category.
God's religion pertains to God alone without associate or peer and to glorify God alone and no other patron: this is the essence of the Quran and of the Ten Commandments written by God for Moses.

Quran 6: 135, which means:
{Surely, this [religion of the Islam q] is My 'standard and straight' way; therefore do you [men] follow it, but [in the future] follow not other ways [of falsehood], lest you should be parted from His way [because of the plighting and designing of the associaters of the other ways.] s

This [warning] He t has commanded you with; haply you will ward off [their plights and wickedness.]}
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153 q With which I have commanded you, and to which I have guided you.

153 s It means: In the future, the Muslim nation will divide and deviate from the 'standard and straight' way; because the ways and programs of the falsehood [of your enemies] will work for dividing you, so their propaganda will influence you and their plights will inflict you; so it will lead to your dispersion away from His way.

153 t i.e. God be glorified.

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selfsame
#6
Proving the atheist is a charlatan

This atheist mixes the name of God with other idols, and pretending that God is other than Yahweh or Allah and other names of the Creator in many languages.

So while he is doing this, and he certainly knows very well that God is called by many names in different languages .. this proves that he conceals this and mixes the name of God with other names so as to deny God Almighty together with the rest of idols and falsehood.

In my impression: I think that Dawkins, together with some other contemporary active atheists, these are upheld by some authorities, like the genie and Satan worshipers, who want to banish all religions, so that their Satanic way may remain and prevail.

Therefore, such authorities and organizations support this atheist and the other atheists, so as to publish their books and make noise round about them and make much propaganda for their books and articles by many ways.
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Nick Danger
#7
My God can beat up your God.
 
selfsame
#8
In summary, the fallacies and assertions of this atheist in general are:

1- He mixes the name of God Almighty: the Creator with the idols and the gods of the idolatry, and he claims that God is other than Yahweh, Allah and the rest of His names in different languages.

2- He claims that he is against all religions, while in fact he is primarily against the true God's religion, which is the pure Islam as in the Glorious Quran.

3- He deliberately mixes the Islam religion with Muslims, so that he criticizes the Islam religion for the flaws of Muslims who follow the traditions rather than they follow the Quran.

4- He asserts many fallacies as if they are true facts, like asserting that the Evolution is not a theory but a fact, and that God does not exist, and that religion is evil..etc.

5- He does not think and act as a philosopher, but as a politician with his wrangling and programs, to spread the atheism and to ignore many facts.
 
lone wolf
#9
I figure religious nuts should put their faiths to the ultimate test. If survival is His Will, so be it....
 
Danbones
#10
did you just troll this OP?
 
lone wolf
#11
No.... Replied. I can see where that would be confusing to ye who seek brilliance
 
selfsame
#12
It is a matter of convincing (or guidance) ... God guides whomever He pleases to guide: so that such one will be convinced and believe, and will misguide whomever He likes to misguide, so that such one will not be convinced and so will not believe.

God guides the kind-hearted, the just, the one who helps people particularly the poor and needy and shows kindness to orphans and widows and gives alms to the poor --> therefore God will guide this category of people.

On the other hand, God does not guide the hard-hearted, the unfair, the wrong-doer, the proud over people with his wealth, and the miser who does not offer to the needy out of his wealth.

Therefore, people are two kinds: one believes and says: it is straightforward that God created everything in the universe; while others do not believe and will say: no, there is no God Who created anything.

The first category will believe and the second will not believe or will believe but assign the associate or peer together with God: i.e. they equalize God with others out of His servants and created beings ..

so the first category who deserve the guidance --> will be guided and will be successful, while the second category: the wrong-doers who do not thank God's bounties --> will not be guided and will lose.

In particular, God does not guide the wrong-doer and the transgressor:

God - be glorified - said in the Quran 76: 31, which means:
{He [will] admit, into His mercy [: His Paradise], whomsoever He [will] please [if he is not a wrong-doer.]

As for the wrong-doers, He has prepared for them a painful chastisement [in the Next Life.]
}

Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

I figure religious nuts should put their faiths to the ultimate test. If survival is His Will, so be it....

Of course, the final consequence will be for the believers in this World and in the Next Life.
They will inherit the earth and will inherit in Paradise ... this according to the Psalms, the Gospel and the Quran.

Quran 21: 105-106, which mean:
{105. We have written in the Psalms after [writing] the admonition: "My righteous servants a shall inherit the earth."

106. Surely, in this [writing in the Psalms b] is an 'announcement' to a people who worship [God, and are righteous.] c }
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105 a Among them will be the companions of the Mahdi.


This is in the Psalms about this respect; for it is written in the Psalm 73 of David; he said:

“1 Do not fret because of evil men or be envious of those who do wrong;

2 for like the grass they will soon wither, like green plants they will soon die away.

3 Trust in the Lord and do good; dwell in the land and enjoy safe pasture.

4 Delight yourself in the Lord and he will give you the desires of your heart.

5 Commit your way to the Lord; trust in him and he will do this:

6 He will make your righteousness shine like the dawn, the justice of your cause like the noonday sun.

7 Be still before the Lord and wait patiently for him; do not fret when men succeed in their ways, when they carry out their wicked schemes.

8 Refrain from anger and turn from wrath; do not fret—it leads only to evil.

9 For evil men will be cut off, but those who hope in the Lord will inherit the land.

10 A little while, and the wicked will be no more; though you look for them, they will not be found.

11 But the meek will inherit the land and enjoy great peace.

12 The wicked plot against the righteous and gnash their teeth at them;

13 but the Lord laughs at the wicked, for he knows their day is coming.

14 The wicked draw the sword and bend the bow to bring down the poor and needy, to slay those whose ways are upright.

15 But their swords will pierce their own hearts, and their bows will be broken.

16 Better the little that the righteous have than the wealth of many wicked;

17 for the power of the wicked will be broken, but the Lord upholds the righteous.

18 The days of the blameless are known to the Lord, and their inheritance will endure forever.

19 In times of disaster they will not wither; in days of famine they will enjoy plenty.

20 But the wicked will perish: The Lord's enemies will be like the beauty of the fields, they will vanish—vanish like smoke.

21 The wicked borrow and do not repay, but the righteous give generously;

22 those the Lord blesses will inherit the land, but those he curses will be cut off.”



106 b That “those the Lord blesses will inherit the earth.”

106 c Therefore, contemplate, dear reader, about this subject and about the admonition which came in the Psalms, at the end of which, he said: “those the Lord blesses will inherit the earth.

[There is some difference actually in various translations: in some it is written “those who wait for the Lord will inherit the earth.” In another, it is written: “those peaceable will inherit the earth.”]

Is not this identical with that which God has told about in the Glorious Quran? Is not this a scientific miracle and the best indication of the truthfulness of our Prophet Mohammed; when he told about what is in the Torah and the Psalms, while he was an illiterate man who did not read any books neither did he write; in spite of that the Torah and Psalms were not written in Arabic, but were in Hebrew, and the Torah and the Psalms have only translated to Arabic in this time: the twentieth century?

And in fact, God – be glorified – is Truthful when He says in the Quran 87: 18-19, which means:

(Surely, [We mentioned all] this in the former [heavenly] scriptures: the scriptures of Abraham and [the scriptures of] Moses [: the Torah.])

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Twila
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Murphy
#14
I'm surprised at you, Nassir. I thought that you'd be hiding behind a sand dune somewhere, waiting for the nuclear strike. Word on the street is that it could come from Russia or the US.

Dawkins is a bright man. You just don't like him because he is the exorcist to your Satanic Muslim cult.

 
darkbeaver
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#15
Dawkins is a materialist his greatest contribution will be his rejoining the food chain at the molecular level. He's good dirt.
 
damngrumpy
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#16
All religions preach they are the only way to heaven.
Muslims, Christians, and God knows who else are in
the business of frightening the masses into the
multitude belief model. Everyone should believe the
same thing or the devil is gonna get you. When any
religion is preaching stoning people to death or killing
or disfiguring people they don't agree with they become
part of the union with the Devil in their own miind
 
Dexter Sinister
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by selfsameView Post

Of course he and many others know very well that the Quran is the word of God...

No they don't, they very explicitly reject that claim and argue that all religious texts are the words of men. As you would know if you'd actually read and understood their works. You may have read them, though somehow I doubt they're available in whatever benighted Islamic theocracy you live in, but you clearly don't understand them if you can make a statement like that.
 
selfsame
#18
Proving the atheist is a charlatan:
Once this atheist says: no god; another time he says: I cannot say there is no god; and still other times he transgresses on God's majesty by saying: he is malicious, ruthless, hard-hearted ..etc with his lies.

Glory to God!

And I say: In spite of his good language and his nice look, we should know that Azazil (who was then called Satan or Iblies): it is said that Azazil was among the angels like the peacock among the birds!

But when he disobeyed God and insisted on the disobedience, he was then driven out of heaven and cursed and threatened to be pelted with meteors, should he approach heaven.

Quran 15: 33-35, which mean:
{33. [Iblies] said: "I am not to prostrate myself to a human being whom You create out of a black putrid clay."

34. [God] said: "Then, get out of the [seven ethereal Gardens], for you will be pelted [with the meteors, if you try in the future to approach the Gardens.]"

35. "Upon you [Iblies] shall rest the curse [of God, angels and all people, in addition to the curse in the heavenly books], till the Day of Judgment."}

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Murphy
#19
Stop smoking camel dung. It's affecting your brain. Wait a minute. Keep smoking and watch the sky for the light. Donald is coming.
 
Hoof Hearted
+1
#20
The word 'cunning' in the OP's header reminded me of an old joke-

Q: What's the difference between a Circus and a Beauty Pageant?

A: A Circus has a cunning array of stunts.
 
Murphy
#21
It's Nassir. Maybe you can convince him to walk toward the light. He's a lonely man that wants to convert you to Islam.

Nassir, remember Farouk and the bats? Walk toward the light.
 
selfsame
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

All religions preach they are the only way to heaven.
Muslims, Christians, and God knows who else are in
the business of frightening the masses into the
multitude belief model. Everyone should believe the
same thing or the devil is gonna get you. When any
religion is preaching stoning people to death or killing
or disfiguring people they don't agree with they become
part of the union with the Devil in their own miind

So you also are a fan of this charlatan atheist.
For these are the same claims of this man.

Certainly many people think they are correct, but there should be one correct way: which is the way pertaining to God alone without associate, son or equal. This is the same original preaching of all the prophets.

Frightening the multitude .. stoning people .. people may become part of the union with the Devil.

But this is true: every wise man should fear God's punishment if he blasphemes or transgresses on others.
Every wise man has to beware of the punishment if he work against the law of man when he may be imprisoned or punished and so it is more worthy to take care of the law of God more than the law of man.
 
Murphy
#23
He is your undoing, Nassir. Walk toward the light. Find Farouk.
 
selfsame
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter SinisterView Post

No they don't, they very explicitly reject that claim and argue that all religious texts are the words of men. As you would know if you'd actually read and understood their works. You may have read them, though somehow I doubt they're available in whatever benighted Islamic theocracy you live in, but you clearly don't understand them if you can make a statement like that.

You think yourself oriented, understanding and grasping the science and the scientific thinking, but you in fact are in extreme error, when you have taken a way other than God's way and so you will lose in the Next Life, when you will have no chance to return once again to this material World (so as to correct your error.)

And your pride will prevent you from revising the matter with yourself, which will lead you to complete failure and frustration .. and all this is according to your insisting on the useless denial of God and His Quran.

Moreover, it is up to God to guide anyone, and it is your luck and your fortune: to let some atheist group admire you, who will disown you later on, what's the profit then?

Anyhow, the Quran is obviously God's word which invites people to God alone without associate, son, daughter, parents or equals.
The Quran clearly tells people about the Next Life and that there will be prosperity there and misery, and tell man to strive to get the blessings of God in the Next Life in addition to this life of the World.

Certainly, many people deny God and deny the Quran (in addition to the rest of the heavenly books), but all people even if they deny they know with themselves this is the truth, and if they insist, let them insist, they will reap what they chose and work.

When Moses worked his miracles before Pharaoh and his people, they denied them, while they knew for certain they were true:
Quran 27: 13-14, which mean:
{13. But when Our miracles were come to them, being obvious [without camouflage or doubt], they said: "This is an evident magic."

14. And they denied the [miracles] m, though their souls acknowledged them for certain n; so as to wrong [the Children of Israel o] and out of arrogance [over them p.]

Then, see [Mohammed] what the final consequence was of those who worked corruption
q.}
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14 m i.e. they denied that the miracles were from God.
14 n i.e. they knew that the miracles were true and real things, not related to any magic, but [in spite of that] they said: “These are some of the acts of Moses [himself], not of God.”
14 o So that the [Children of Israel] may serve them.
14 p So that the authority will be for them over the Children of Israel.
14 q Wasn’t it the destruction and ruining?

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Murphy
#25
You are having dreams again, aren't you Nassir? Remember when Farouk died and you blamed Allah for his death? That's silly. Allah only exists in your mind.

We tried to tell you that.Remember kimsin? Sen kinsim.

Just walk toward the light. You will see Farouk again.
 
selfsame
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by MurphyView Post

Donald is coming.


Wal, mutty: Donald may bring about your own destruction at last.
 
Murphy
#27
You're tired. It's too many years of extracting the venoms, Nassir. Do you remember now? Farouk and the asps. The screaming in the night. He kept calling your name. Mahoud would hit him. I know that angered you.

Soon you will rest. Watch for the light. Look for Farouk.
 
Dexter Sinister
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by selfsameView Post

You think yourself oriented, understanding and grasping the science and the scientific thinking,

Yes, that's exactly what I think.
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but you in fact are in extreme error, when you have taken a way other than God's way and so you will lose in the Next Life

There's no good evidence to suggest there's any such thing as god's way or a next life.
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And your pride will prevent you from revising the matter with yourself, which will lead you to complete failure and frustration .. and all this is according to your insisting on the useless denial of God and His Quran.

Really? According to other things you've posted that's god deliberately misleading me. If he chose to, he could remove the scales from my eyes. But so far he's chosen not to, so whatever lies in store for me is what he's chosen for me. Are not all things as Allah wills? How could I be responsible for any of it?
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Moreover, it is up to God to guide anyone,...

Like I said. Apparently he's chosen not to guide me, or to deliberately lead me into error. Not much I can do about that, is there?
Quote:

Anyhow, the Quran is obviously God's word

No it's not, its errors and inconsistencies make it obviously the words of men, and you're labouring under a major delusion.

Quote: Originally Posted by selfsameView Post

Wal, mutty: Donald may bring about your own destruction at last.

He's much more likely to bring about yours first.
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Murphy
#29
We know you're there, Nassir. You always enjoyed lying under the stars.

Bacaklarim!
 
selfsame
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter SinisterView Post

According to other things you've posted that's god deliberately misleading me. If he chose to, he could remove the scales from my eyes. But so far he's chosen not to, so whatever lies in store for me is what he's chosen for me. Are not all things as Allah wills? How could I be responsible for any of it? Like I said. Apparently he's chosen not to guide me, or to deliberately lead me into error. Not much I can do about that, is there?

You want only to insist in someway or another.
Anyhow, it is not like what you say:

This is explained in the Quran 76: 3, which means:
{We have shown to him the [correct] way d; [and have given to him the free choice] whether to be grateful or ungrateful. e}
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3 d And We explained to him the evidences to recognize the Creator, and We forbade him from worshipping idols and statues and from the evil acts.

3 e So if he shows gratitude, he will go to Paradise; and if he is ungrateful, his destiny will be in the Fire.

Moreover, it is in the Quran 76: 29-31, which mean:
{29. This [soora] is indeed an admonition; therefore whoso likes [to be successful in the Next Life], let him follow a way [leading] to [the Paradise of] his Lord. e

30. But you will not [to follow a way to your Lord] except as God wills that f; for God is All-Knowing g, Most Wise h.

31. He [will] admit, into His mercy [: His Paradise], whomsoever He [will] please [if he is not a wrong-doer.]

As for the wrong-doers, He has prepared for them a painful chastisement [in the Next Life.]
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29 e It means: Whoso likes to follow a way leading him to the paradises to dwell together with the angels and prophets, and be in the neighborhood of his Lord, let him believe in God and follow His messenger and avoid the disobedience and work the righteous work, and then he will reach by his way to the paradises to be the guest of God Most Gracious.

30 f The meaning: If God loves the manners of a man, He will guide him to the way of the truth, so he will believe and work the righteous work; and so he will take a road leading him to the paradises.
But such good manners are not available with every man, because most of people are wrong-doers, disobedient and hypocrites; and God does not guide the people that are disobedient, to a standard and straight path of the monotheism.

30 g About His servants, so He will chose out of them, for guidance, whoever is kind-hearted, generous, truthful, fulfilling his covenant, having good intention and conscience; but he does not guide anyone opposite of that.

30 h With His acts.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter SinisterView Post

He's much more likely to bring about yours first.

You may be right, but all that will be according to God's will: if He likes to punish Muslims (on account of their blasphemy, enthusiasm and wrong-doing) by setting their enemy on them, or if He please to reform them and make them victorious.
Anyhow, in the end (may be in the near future) things will change by God's will, and if the enemy chooses the evil, their evil will at last turn against them.

It may be those behind the curtain have brought this indecent and porn-doing person to achieve their program, but anyhow God's will will prevail. Who knows the fore-future!? We have the Quran foretelling us the destruction of the enemy by setting Muslims on the Zionists in the second promise of their destruction according to their aggression.

Quran 17: 7, which means:
{So when the time for the last j [of the two judgments] will come, [We shall rouse the Muslims against you] to do evil to your chiefs k, and to enter the [Aqsa] Mosque as they l [would] have entered it the first time [at 1948 AD] m, and to destroy what [buildings, constructions and walls n] they have made high.}

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