The unapparent blessing

darkbeaver
#31
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You really aren't very knowledgeable, darkbeaver, but that is because you do not know what you are looking at. I will explain. This is a picture of what was found in one of the warehouses. The photo was taken by the Syrian Army.
This ID plate tells investigators what is inside the box. The NSN - NATO Stock No. - is a unique identifier that can be used in conjunction with the other markings to determine when and where it was made. Along with what is called a Lot No., these will indicate where it was shipped, who held this particular item in stock, where it was before it ended up in Aleppo.
There is a cal sticker (calibration) dated 6 Oct 2014. There will be a record of this unit being checked. Where it was checked. Where it came from and when it was accepted and returned.
Back to the Lot Nos. They are unique production numbers that indicate what company made the munition, when, where, etc. They can be checked using a computer to find out each and every shipping date, method of transport, stop, and storage place from the day they were made until they disappeared.. Explosives and related materials have always been marked this way and their movements tracked. That doesn't stop theft, but it deters it and makes it easier for investigators to trace the chain of possession.
Assuming that these aren't counterfeit markings, they can follow this and other munitions up to the point where they went missing. That is how you...

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Missing munitions? Are you stupid? Are you suggesting they fell off a truck in Alabama and were sold at a salvage yard in Detroit and ultimately ended up in Alleppo without any intent whatsoever? Let me think about that for thirty-eight seconds. Ya no.
 
Murphy
#32
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

Missing munitions? Are you stupid? Are you suggesting they fell off a truck in Alabama and were sold at a salvage yard in Detroit and ultimately ended up in Alleppo without any intent whatsoever? Let me think about that for thirty-eight seconds. Ya no.

You truly have no idea. They are missing if they were stolen, illegally given to another country or just disappeared out of the supply chain without explanation.

The fact that they showed up in Aleppo means their status has to be determined first. That is done by tracing where they were from the date they were made until they left US hands. I had a look at the pictures of some of the mortars and other explosives boxes. Some were manufactured in the 1950s. Older stocks of munitions are routinely sold off. Other pieces in the videos and stills were not as old. There were also Eastern Bloc munitions in these pictures as well.

If the Americans gave/sold them to some other country legally, then there will be a record. It had to appear that they were disposed of legally. Surplus sales, for example.

Piecing it together will take time. I expect that these munitions came to be in the warehouses from a number of sources. IOW, they were not all sold or given away to one organization by the US.

If the US gave them away illegally, their departure would have involved a cover up. For example, the paperwork might indicate destruction due to being time expired, damaged, leaking, etc. If a specific lot of ammunition or explosive material that was recorded as destroyed mysteriously ended up in Aleppo, investigators will attempt to establish how, when and where the material went missing.

Additional Scenarios:

Munitions obtained from other sources (the Russians, the Brits, etc.), sold off legally as surplus, then given to the terrorists by other nations.
Munitions purchased from arms dealers for cash.
Munitions purchased legally from the US years ago.
Munitions were stolen.
Munitions were captured.

My personal theory is these munitions came together in a combination of the above.
 

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