Is recognition that Jews have the best ideology of the Abrahamic cults the reason Mus


DaSleeper
#31
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

You got it wrong, what a surprise, not. lol

Ask a Jew to explain some chapter in the OT and all you will get is the 'deer in the headlights' look.

Have you ever asked a sane question to a Jew????
 
MHz
#32
Sure, there aren't any sane Jews (or Jewish lovers) on this site. Jews don't even know where the 'land of the enemy' is (Jer:31 or what the scattering from De:4:30 means. For all your admiration of them you don't know the answers either and it takes about a whole minute to explain it.
You do know that you defending anybody is an insult to them because of how big of a liar (or just downright clueless) you are. I asked you once to name some Jews is proud that you defend them at every turn. So far not one Jew has admitted that.
 
Ludlow
#33
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

Judaism is an offshoot/mongrel of many parents babylon, sodom, hades, egypt. What's a simple minded gentile to do?

Have an Italian sausage sammich and a cold beer
 
French Patriot
#34
Quote: Originally Posted by LudlowView Post

Christianity and Islam are offshoots of Judaism. One is not superior to any of the others . All three are just different parts of the Abrahamic legacy. I don't believe in any of them which makes yours truly by definition a Heathen.


???


So you do not see what is basically a women slave making cult, along with the FGM and child brides that go with it, as no better than religions in the Abrahamic cults that do not used such slave owning methods.


I cannot agree.


Are you basing your judgements on morals and is slavery not one of the lowest moral denominators?


Regards
DL

Quote: Originally Posted by Remington1View Post

Christians are the strongest supported of Jews. Jesus, Marie and Joseph were Jewish!! Saying they hate Jews would be seen as an abomination.



To say that Christians do not have a long history of Jewish persecution is you ignoring a lot of history.


Christians and Anti-Semitism: A Calendar of Jewish Persecution (external - login to view)


Regards
DL

Quote: Originally Posted by selfsameView Post

This is only your fallacy.

In fact, Jews disbelieve in Jesus Christ; they remained on their disbelieving in Jesus Christ; and even their ancestors tried to kill and crucify him, but God saved him from them.

While Muslims believe in Jesus Christ as the apostle of God and they honor his mother Virgin Mary.


Do Muslims change their rules and give Mary equal status to a man?


Regards
DL
 
selfsame
#35
Quote: Originally Posted by French PatriotView Post

Do Muslims change their rules and give Mary equal status to a man?

Man is equal to woman in citizenship, in the reward of deeds in the Next Life, but there are circumstances and conditions which cannot make them equal in everything.
Neither the man nor the woman accept to be like each other in everything.

There are differences in the anatomy of the body organs, differences in the physiology of the body of each of them; there is a psychological difference, there are family and behavior differences; there is difference in the dress and wear, and the woman has her monthly cycle, the pregnancy, the child bearing and suckling ...etc.

Moreover, the respect is mandatory and obligatory.

The equality in the inheritance for the grandfather and grandmother, while there is difference in the inheritance for the sister and brother; if you give equal shares for each one of them, you will wrong the brother who has a family and he is responsible about their livelihood, while the sister has her husband to take care about her economy and other affairs.

So if you are fair you will consider, but if you are unfair you will keep saying such words without having enough knowledge about the laws in the Quran.

Therefore, if you stick to this point and you are serious in your discussion, many points will be explained.
But if the answer is given, and you avoid understanding it, then once again you will come with the same question, it means, you are not different from the other Ugly Zionists.
 
French Patriot
#36
Quote: Originally Posted by selfsameView Post

Man is equal to woman in citizenship, in the reward of deeds in the Next Life, but there are circumstances and conditions which cannot make them equal in everything.
Neither the man nor the woman accept to be like each other in everything.

There are differences in the anatomy of the body organs, differences in the physiology of the body of each of them; there is a psychological difference, there are family and behavior differences; there is difference in the dress and wear, and the woman has her monthly cycle, the pregnancy, the child bearing and suckling ...etc.

Moreover, the respect is mandatory and obligatory.

The equality in the inheritance for the grandfather and grandmother, while there is difference in the inheritance for the sister and brother; if you give equal shares for each one of them, you will wrong the brother who has a family and he is responsible about their livelihood, while the sister has her husband to take care about her economy and other affairs.

So if you are fair you will consider, but if you are unfair you will keep saying such words without having enough knowledge about the laws in the Quran.

Therefore, if you stick to this point and you are serious in your discussion, many points will be explained.
But if the answer is given, and you avoid understanding it, then once again you will come with the same question, it means, you are not different from the other Ugly Zionists.



So if all are rewarded the same in the afterlife, are women going to have a bunch of virgin men the way it is said that men will have a bunch of female virgins?


How do you get that Islam give women equality given these quotes that show the opposite.


http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pa...orth-less.aspx




Sahih Bukhari (62:81) - "The Prophet said: "'The stipulations most entitled to be abided by are those with which you are given the right to enjoy the (women's) private parts (i.e. the stipulations of the marriage contract).'" In other words, the most important thing a woman brings to marriage is between her legs.


Sahih Muslim (4:1039) - "A'isha said [to Muhammad]: 'You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses'"These are the words of Muhammad's favorite wife, complaining of the role assigned to women under Islam.Ishaq 593 - "As for Ali, he said, 'Women are plentiful, and you can easily change one for another.'"Ali was raised as a son by Muhammad. He was also the 4th caliph. This comment was made in Muhammad's presence without a word of rebuke from him.


Ishaq 593 - "From the captives of Hunayn, Allah's Messenger gave [his son-in-law] Ali a slave girl called Baytab and he gave [future Caliph] Uthman a slave girl called Zaynab and [future Caliph] Umar another." - Even in this world, Muhammad treated women like party favors, handing out enslaved women to his cronies for sex.Tabari VIII:117 - The fate of more captured farm wives, whom the Muslims distributed amongst themselves as sex slaves: "Dihyah had asked the Messenger for Safiyah when the Prophet chose her for himself... the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims."


Quran (2:22 - "and the men are a degree above them [women]"


Are men a degree above or equal to women?


Regards
DL
 
selfsame
#37
Quote: Originally Posted by French PatriotView Post

So if all are rewarded the same in the afterlife, are women going to have a bunch of virgin men the way it is said that men will have a bunch of female virgins?

The equality in the rewarding in the Next Life means: if a woman gives an alm, and the man gives the same alm, they will have the same reward without decreasing their deserved reward.

Moreover, the requirement of man is not like the requirement of the woman: the lion has 4 lionesses, but the lioness has her only lion.

The righteous woman will not accept your idea.

The woman with many husbands or men is the prostitute.

In addition, this is explained in this tale:
Although it is not a trusted tale:

A group of women went to Imam Ali and asked him: Why has man the right to have many wives, and the woman has not such right of having many husbands?

He said: Everyone of you bring a cup of water, then each one of you throws her water in one and the same bucket; so the women did this.

Then he said: Now each one of you takes her same water; can you?

They said: We cannot, because the water has mixed.

He said: If the woman has many husbands, the seed will mix and none will know who is his father.


Quote: Originally Posted by French PatriotView Post

How do you get that Islam give women equality given these quotes that show the opposite.


http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pa...orth-less.aspx




Sahih Bukhari (62:81) - "The Prophet said: "'The stipulations most entitled to be abided by are those with which you are given the right to enjoy the (women's) private parts (i.e. the stipulations of the marriage contract).'" In other words, the most important thing a woman brings to marriage is between her legs.


Sahih Muslim (4:1039) - "A'isha said [to Muhammad]: 'You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses'"These are the words of Muhammad's favorite wife, complaining of the role assigned to women under Islam.Ishaq 593 - "As for Ali, he said, 'Women are plentiful, and you can easily change one for another.'"Ali was raised as a son by Muhammad. He was also the 4th caliph. This comment was made in Muhammad's presence without a word of rebuke from him.


Ishaq 593 - "From the captives of Hunayn, Allah's Messenger gave [his son-in-law] Ali a slave girl called Baytab and he gave [future Caliph] Uthman a slave girl called Zaynab and [future Caliph] Umar another." - Even in this world, Muhammad treated women like party favors, handing out enslaved women to his cronies for sex.Tabari VIII:117 - The fate of more captured farm wives, whom the Muslims distributed amongst themselves as sex slaves: "Dihyah had asked the Messenger for Safiyah when the Prophet chose her for himself... the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims."


Quran (2:22 - "and the men are a degree above them [women]"


Are men a degree above or equal to women?


Regards
DL

Don't give me hadiths and tradition, because so many traditions are fabricated and not authentic, but give me the ayat of the Qruan and by God's will, I will answer you.

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Moreover you said: "How do you get that Islam give women equality given these quotes that show the opposite"

While I did not say this; I said woman is equal to man in many points and is different from him yet in some other points, and it cannot be they are equal in everything.

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I have to leave now, because it is too late here; so give your discussion point by point, and by God's will you will have the answer.
Last edited by selfsame; Dec 5th, 2016 at 05:24 PM..
 
French Patriot
#38
Quote: Originally Posted by selfsameView Post

The equality in the rewarding in the Next Life means: if a woman gives an alm, and the man gives the same alm, they will have the same reward without decreasing their deserved reward.

Moreover, the requirement of man is not like the requirement of the woman: the lion has 4 lionesses, but the lioness has her only lion.

The righteous woman will not accept your idea.

The woman with many husbands or men is the prostitute.

In addition, this is explained in this tale:
Although it is not a trusted tale:

A group of women went to Imam Ali and asked him: Why has man the right to have many wives, and the woman has not such right of having many husbands?

He said: Everyone of you bring a cup of water, then each one of you throws her water in one and the same bucket; so the women did this.

Then he said: Now each one of you takes her same water; can you?

They said: We cannot, because the water has mixed.

He said: If the woman has many husbands, the seed will mix and none will know who is his father.




Don't give me hadiths and tradition, because so many traditions are fabricated and not authentic, but give me the ayat of the Qruan and by God's will, I will answer you.

================================================== ========================
Moreover you said: "How do you get that Islam give women equality given these quotes that show the opposite"

While I did not say this; I said woman is equal to man in many points and is different from him yet in some other points, and it cannot be they are equal in everything.

================================================== ====================

I have to leave now, because it is too late here; so give your discussion point by point, and by God's will you will have the answer.


"so many traditions are fabricated and not authentic"


I agree but that last quote was from your Qur'an.


So you are saying that women are not equal to men.


Thanks for the honesty.


Regards
DL
 
MHz
#39
Quote: Originally Posted by French PatriotView Post

So you do not see what is basically a women slave making cult, along with the FGM and child brides that go with it, as no better than religions in the Abrahamic cults that do not used such slave owning methods.

Are you basing your judgements on morals and is slavery not one of the lowest moral denominators?

Regards
DL

You seem to be forgetting the part where Orgy Island and all sick f*cks in DC are Jewish supporters rather than Muslims. Your rotten core is showing when you don't give them the exposure they deserve. Most slavery in the OT was based on owing somebody money, that made you their slave until it was paid off. Molesting and killing children is the people at the lowest levels. That would include the RCC Clergy and most US Politicians.

Quote: Originally Posted by French PatriotView Post

To say that Christians do not have a long history of Jewish persecution is you ignoring a lot of history.
Christians and Anti-Semitism: A Calendar of Jewish Persecution (external - login to view)

Regards
DL

Why include the exiles that were related to usury?? That is a lot of the ones in your 'list; Are you going to try and claim that the exile in 1290 for 350 years was something other than the usury issue and if it was the usury issue they probably should have been exiled sooner.
You forgot to include God as He exiled them from the Promised Land, the exile that would have stung the worst if I'm not mistaken.

Quote: Originally Posted by French PatriotView Post

Do Muslims change their rules and give Mary equal status to a man?

Regards
DL

Really?? do you need reminding that the RCC doesn't allow women to deliver sermons or to become a Pope??
You might as well include the one true God as He made woman to help their husbands.

You should apply for a job with the US Media, you would be a natural at spinning things away from the truth. Jews were persecuting Christians in the beginning of was Stephen careless and tripped on a flight of stairs and the Bible is just looking for sympathy.
 
French Patriot
#40
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

You seem to be forgetting the part where Orgy Island and all sick f*cks in DC are Jewish supporters rather than Muslims. Your rotten core is showing when you don't give them the exposure they deserve. Most slavery in the OT was based on owing somebody money, that made you their slave until it was paid off. Molesting and killing children is the people at the lowest levels. That would include the RCC Clergy and most US Politicians.


Why include the exiles that were related to usury?? That is a lot of the ones in your 'list; Are you going to try and claim that the exile in 1290 for 350 years was something other than the usury issue and if it was the usury issue they probably should have been exiled sooner.
You forgot to include God as He exiled them from the Promised Land, the exile that would have stung the worst if I'm not mistaken.



Really?? do you need reminding that the RCC doesn't allow women to deliver sermons or to become a Pope??
You might as well include the one true God as He made woman to help their husbands.

You should apply for a job with the US Media, you would be a natural at spinning things away from the truth. Jews were persecuting Christians in the beginning of was Stephen careless and tripped on a flight of stairs and the Bible is just looking for sympathy.


I agree that Christianity was not much better than Islam in their own misogyny.


If Christianity had not brought itself to heel, the secular states would have outlawed them just as Islam should outlawed for their barbaric practices.


We were talking of Islam here so my focus on them should not bother you.


Thanks for all your small minded personal garbage.


Regards
DL
 
MHz
#41
Even that little but is too much for you mind.

As usual you didn't answer the question. Is being exiled for corrupt usury practices persecution or an act of protecting the citizens of a country??

Christianity has been off the rails since about 400AD, part of that was a 1,000 invasion of the Mid-East where, wait for it, the Muslims lived. Your thinking is more warped than usual, not that it matters.

Introducing 3 groups and only focusing on the one, while ignoring the crimes of the other two groups, seems like persecution. I can understand how that concept might be foreign to your intellect.
 
selfsame
#42
Quote: Originally Posted by French PatriotView Post

"so many traditions are fabricated and not authentic"


I agree but that last quote was from your Qur'an.


So you are saying that women are not equal to men.


Thanks for the honesty.

You are not seeking after the truth; only you want to overcome in the wrangling.
So cite the aya and we shall see its meaning, and I told you there are some points of equality and other points of difference, and you took the point of difference.
Therefore, I will give the meaning of every aya which anyone mentions.

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Therefore, this is the interpretation of the aya 2: 228
{Divorced women shall wait [in home, before marrying another man] for three [menstrual] periods b.
It is not lawful for them to conceal what [fetus] God has created in their wombs
c, if [truly] they believe in God and the Last Day d.
And their husbands have the right better [than others] to restore them in such case
e, if the [husbands] likes to set things properly f.

And [wives] have rights [over their husbands] similar to those [of their husbands] over them, with appropriate way
g; but the men have an authority [to be obeyed] over them h.

God is All-Mighty
i, Most Wise j.}
.................................................. .................................

228 b i.e. she shall stay at home waiting [without marrying another man] until three menstruations will elapse; while the woman who has no menstruation, then her waiting time will be three months; according to His saying – be glorified – in the Quran 65 : 4, which means:
(As for your women who have despaired of further menstruation [because of a disease or affliction], if you are in doubt [concerning their pregnancy], their prescribed period [or interim or Idda] shall be three months, as [shall the interim be of] those [old women or after the menopause] who menstruate not.)
It means: Either of 'women who have despaired of further menstruating [e.g. because of a disease]', and '[old women] who menstruate not' at the time of divorcing them; each one of all such women has (the Idda: or the stated period) of three months.

228 c Because some of divorced women hates her husband, therefore she conceals her pregnancy lest she should be returned to her husband after the divorce; or because she loves another man whom she likes to marry, so she conceals her pregnancy: because the husband has the right to restore his divorced wife in case she is pregnant, and she has no right to refuse that even after elapsing of the Idda (: the stated time following the divorce.)
While the non-pregnant whose Idda has elapsed, the choice will be of the wife: if she agrees to return, she may return to him; and if she likes to marry another man, then she will marry as she likes.

228 d i.e. if truly she believes in God and in the judgment and punishment of Doomsday, then she must not conceal her pregnancy, because God will punish her. This sentence is for frightening and threatening with punishment for the divorced women who conceal their pregnancy.
The "Last Day" is Doomsday, which has been explained in the Quran 126.

228 e i.e. the husband of the divorced woman is more worthy – than others are – to restore her during the period of the Idda, and more worthy of her if she is pregnant even though after the Idda, but on condition …if the [husband] likes to set things rightly.

228 f between them and their wives with friendly dealing, giving the Nafaqa [: the due money of the divorce] and offering her the required dresses as he can afford.

228 g i.e. with the proper thing that the husband can afford: like the Nafaqa [: the due money of the divorce], the dressing, the good friendly dealing, spending the night with her, so that he does not leave her and go to the adulteresses [and prostitutes], and he should not betray her with adultery or homosexuality, just as he dislikes that she may betray him.

228 h i.e. the wife should obey her husband, so that she does not go out of the house unless he allows her to do so, and she should obey him and comply to his orders excepting that which God forbids; but in case she disobeys his orders, then she is a Nashiz (i.e. haughty disobedient.)

228 i In His kingdom: He punishes those who contradict His statements.

228 j With His statements, so that He does not command you but only with that which is proper for you.

quran-ayat.com/pret/2.htm#a2_228 (external - login to view)
quran-ayat(dot)com/pret/2(dot)htm#a2_228

Therefore, see you who wrangles: .

And [wives] have rights [over their husbands] similar to those [of their husbands] over them, with appropriate way


Quote: Originally Posted by French PatriotView Post

Is recognition that Jews have the best ideology of the Abrahamic cults the reason Muslims and Christians hate Jews?

What have I to do with Jews or Christians? In fact I have nothing to do with Jews or Christians.

While the thing is that Zionists have transgressed on Palestine and on the Arab and Muslims.

httpswwwyoutubecomwatchvDi1z6mq6EfAampfeatureyoutube

Last edited by selfsame; Dec 6th, 2016 at 02:47 PM..
 
French Patriot
#43
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

Even that little but is too much for you mind.

As usual you didn't answer the question. Is being exiled for corrupt usury practices persecution or an act of protecting the citizens of a country??

Christianity has been off the rails since about 400AD, part of that was a 1,000 invasion of the Mid-East where, wait for it, the Muslims lived. Your thinking is more warped than usual, not that it matters.

Introducing 3 groups and only focusing on the one, while ignoring the crimes of the other two groups, seems like persecution. I can understand how that concept might be foreign to your intellect.



All three groups have skeletons in their closets and that is why I ignore them and focus on the better ideology in trying to find out exactly why Christians and Muslims hate Jews.


Get on topic or get lost.


Regards
DL

Quote: Originally Posted by selfsameView Post

You are not seeking after the truth;



You on the other hand, are trying to hide the truth of the fact that Islam and Sharia are making slaves out of Muslim women.


news.vice.com/article/rape-vi...rce=vicenewsfb (external - login to view)


httpwwwyoutubecomwatchvr7OYRknGgEc




Regards
DL
 
selfsame
#44
Essentially, Christians and Muslims do not hate Jews, but it is Jews who hate Christians and Muslims.

An outstanding example, one may see in this forum, that once I mention the Quran, Prophet Mohammed or the Muslims ... when you will see your Zionists jump like fleas and shout their hatred and rancor. And by all means they work to disfigure the picture of the Islam and Muslims before people.

So why should I hate Jews .. because they do not believe? Of course I dislike the disbelief, but essentially I hate the Zionists who transgress on Palestinians, on the Arab and on Muslims, and in fact all our conflicts and problems and massacres have issued from them.

Moreover, not all Jews are bad; some of them were good neighbors (before the coming of the Zionists), as are many Christians good citizens and neighbors.

In addition, the people generally in many parts of the world dislike Jews, not because they are Jews but because of their bad conduct and their evil, like the famous character of Shylock.
 
French Patriot
#45
Quote: Originally Posted by selfsameView Post

Essentially, Christians and Muslims do not hate Jews, but it is Jews who hate Christians and Muslims.
.



Quran (2:22 - "and the men are a degree above them [women]"

Yet few Christians and Muslims are killed by Jews while many Jews have been killed by Christians and Muslims.

Are you just a Kafir trying to make Muslims look bad?
You are doing a great job.

Regards
DL








Last edited by French Patriot; Dec 6th, 2016 at 03:39 PM..
 
selfsame
#46
Quote: Originally Posted by French PatriotView Post



Quran (2:22 - "and the men are a degree above them [women]"
Yet few Christians and Muslims are killed by Jews while many Jews have been killed by Christians and Muslims.
Are you just a Kafir trying to make Muslims look bad?
You are doing a great job.
Regards
DL







Truly, it is you the kafir and the devil.
 
Curious Cdn
#47
Quote: Originally Posted by selfsameView Post

Truly, it is you the kafir and the devil.

Are all kafirs devils?
 
French Patriot
#48
Quote: Originally Posted by selfsameView Post

Truly, it is you the kafir and the devil.



Only a grand fool would think non-belief is related to a devil.


Is your insecurity that deep?


No wonder you ignored this O.P. that I put for you Kafir haters.


forums.canadiancontent.net/sp...d-secular.html (external - login to view)


Regards
DL
 
MHz
#49
Can't take it that this thread is also a fail like all your other ones?? Maybe a little bigger than the others.
 
Murphy
+1
#50
You cannot discuss anything with Nassir. He is incapable of critical thought. It has to be in the Quran or it cannot discussed. Nassir is a lemming.

He supports a religion that suppresses women and free thought. He supports the killing of ANYONE who is not Muslim and will not convert. He supports the actions of ISIS. He lies when needed. A quick search will show his hatred of Jews, Christians, women and anyone else who dares to question his book of lies. These people become "ugly Zionists".

It truly is pointless to talk to him. Nassir=taqiyya.
 
French Patriot
#51
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

Can't take it that this thread is also a fail like all your other ones?? Maybe a little bigger than the others.



Point to your winning ones.


Regards
DL

Quote: Originally Posted by MurphyView Post

You cannot discuss anything with Nassir. He is incapable of critical thought. It has to be in the Quran or it cannot discussed. Nassir is a lemming.

He supports a religion that suppresses women and free thought. He supports the killing of ANYONE who is not Muslim and will not convert. He supports the actions of ISIS. He lies when needed. A quick search will show his hatred of Jews, Christians, women and anyone else who dares to question his book of lies. These people become "ugly Zionists".

It truly is pointless to talk to him. Nassir=taqiyya.


Indeed. The more fundamental and literal a believer is, the less tolerant he will be of all others.


One who is not a free thinker and is an idol worshiper is not good at debate or discussion as they cannot tolerate any who are not as brain dead as they are.


Regards
DL
 
MHz
#52
I don't have any, that is why I can spot what a flop looks like.
 
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