Pope Francis gets irritating

[tay]

I think he understands that people who live in the real world will consider his comments foolish......

Pope Francis has written a long, open letter to the founder of La Repubblica newspaper, Eugenio Scalfari, stating that non-believers would be forgiven by God if they followed their consciences.

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Pope Francis assures atheists: You don’t have to believe in God to go to heaven | Europe | News | The Independent

 

[Walter]

Francis, the Poop, is an Argentinian Marxist.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

It would be hard not to believe if you are sitting in heaven right next to God. Some still would not believe however.

 

[Locutus]

2 year-old article is 2 years-old.

 

[Danbones]

Malachi ( the prophet who named the popes from the 12C on) said he would be the last pope
wonder what will happen to all the real estate and money?

if you bought a sainthood, or any "indulgence"...
and then found out when you got there, that there was no such a thing...
then later the guy who sold it to you shows up....

 

[Curious Cdn]

Malachi ( the prophet who named the popes from the 12C on) said he would be the last pope
wonder what will happen to all the real estate and money?

if you bought a sainthood, or any "indulgence"...
and then found out when you got there, that there was no such a thing...
then later the guy who sold it to you shows up....

Isn't that last one supposed to be named "Peter"?

 

[coldstream]

Francis has been a huge disappointment.

I'm sure the Church hierarchy will not again, in the foreseeable future, choose a Pontiff whose written opus is so sparse, making him totally unpredictable, and whose temperament is so uneven and eccentric, and whose agency is so impulsive, saccharine and indefinite.

He appears to have little grounding, and little respect, for Canon Law or doctrinal structure and integrity. He has fired some of the leading intellectual lights of the Church from the Curia and surrounded himself with malleable courtiers.

The only positive light has his been his appointment of Cardinal Pell.. an orthodox and outspoken prelate (including against AGW).. as the Vatican's Chief Financial Officer.. and Francis' plans to streamline and simplify the Vatican bureacracy.

Isn't that last one supposed to be named "Peter"?

St. Malachi's prophesy has never been accepted as genuine by the Church. Its origins are murky, appearing some 60 years after Malachi's death and with no sure provenance to the Saint.

Most of its reputed accuracy has been ascribed to it after the fact, by reading actual events into its predictions.. for which many other outcomes might have also applied.. much like those of Nostradamus.

But yes, for what its worth, the final Pope at the onset of the apocalypse was to have been a converted Jew, who would take the name Peter II.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

The Pope. Love him or hate him.

 

[Corduroy]

Don't like the pope? Maybe God should have picked someone else.

 

[petros]

God picks the Pope just like he picks the latest Wiccan goddess.

Wally, I doubt you understood that post. It was a huge stab at moonbattery

 

[gerryh]

I think he understands that people who live in the real world will consider his comments foolish......

Pope Francis has written a long, open letter to the founder of La Repubblica newspaper, Eugenio Scalfari, stating that non-believers would be forgiven by God if they followed their consciences.

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Pope Francis assures atheists: You don’t have to believe in God to go to heaven | Europe | News | The Independent

He stated what I have been saying for decades.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

He stated what I have been saying for decades.

Hard line idiots think he's the Anti-Christ. I think he's a breath of fresh air.

 

[lone wolf]

Anyone who tries to bring the Church into the 21st century is going to be berated - generally by the same people who berate Islam for being 15th century. There's no pleasing whiners

 

[darkbeaver]

Hard line idiots think he's the Anti-Christ. I think he's a breath of fresh air.

Every pope is anti-christ.

 

[gerryh]

Hard line idiots think he's the Anti-Christ. I think he's a breath of fresh air.

Well, hard line idiots, like coldstream, have their a$$ firmly planted in the 20th century.

 

[coldstream]

I've never said Francis was the Anti-Christ. I just think the College of Cardinals made a mistake in choosing Francis, and especially in not carrying forward the social and theological direction implemented by JP2 and B16 .

The Church after all is a human institution, however much under divine direction, and therefor subject to error. They've done it before in some particularly ineffective or notorious Pontiffs.. the Borgias etc.. always compensated for in very good Popes who succeeded them in the Apostolic Succession.

 

[gerryh]

I've never said Francis was the Anti-Christ.. i just think the College of Cardinals made a mistake in choosing Francis, and especially in not carrying forward the immense social and theological emphases of JP2 and B16 . The Church after all is a human institution, however much under divine direction, and therefor subject to error. They've done it before in some particularly ineffective or notorious Pontiffs.. the Borgias etc.

You have made it quite clear that you want to keep your sorry a$$ firmly planted in the 20th century, pre 1958.

 

[coldstream]

You have made it quite clear that you want to keep your sorry a$$ firmly planted in the 20th century, pre 1958.

My choice for Pope was Cardinal Angelo Bagnasco, Archbishop of Genoa.. a strong orthodox voice, but very fluent with the challenges of modernism for the Church.

He wanted to open the beautifully phrased, but profoundly ambiguous, confusing and divisive documents of Vatican 2 (1962 - 1965) to be re-interpreted in a manner consistent with the practical theological traditions of the Church since its founding.

The divisions in the Church are between those who consider Vatican 2 as a revolutionary course change in the RCC, conforming itself to the Western modernist value system (as Francis does).. and those who consider V2 as a modest pastoral Council, intended to respond to specific ecclesial issues of the 20th C (like Benedict XVI).

And many of the latter think this modernism is leading the West to hell in handbasket, and the Church need not tag along for the ride.

 

[damngrumpy]

I am someone who left the church a long time ago with no real place to go.
We had a long line of hard line orthodox Popes who preached all was fine
even as many of he flock were leaving faster than new folks were coming
in. The world has changed and education has proved the infallible stuff is
nonsense. The world is round not flat, the earth revolves around the sun
not the other way around. These were simple things many more more
serious flaws are available.
I think this Pope is a breath of fresh air and we need not have an old line
guy from the nineteenth century in charge of the Vatican. No the Cardinals
got it right and progress can be gained by going out into the world and
actually connecting with others. The church much change or lose it
relevance period

 

[coldstream]

The great outflow of parishioners from the Church happened after, not before, Vatican II and especially with the imposition of the vapid vernacular mass (Novus Ordo) in place of the majestic Tridentine Latin Mass (along with the other sacraments).

There was certainly a great secularization of all Western culture in that period which contributed to the decline, but the attempts to capitulate and conform to something quite alien to its mission (in Western secular humanism) has not served the RCC well.. and it has not worked.