Can this quote be refuted?

Twila

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Can this quote be logically and factually refuted?

 

MHz

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If he can't figure out that the narrow spot between the Bitter Lakes is the site of the 'parting of the water' (by a strong wind) then he should be getting paid to publish anything, let alone if it pertains to the Bible.
 

Murphy

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"...disjointed documents, composed...distorted..." Says who? This needs to be cited. Bits and pieces always come together given time.

"...unknown to us and unknown to each other..." So? Archaeologists make new finds regularly. What is unknown or not understood today, may have an explanation tomorrow.

It sounds like Dawkins is either spoiling for an intellectual fight, trolling, or merely stirring the pot to see what floats...Patience, dude!

Mazel Tov, sugar! Je vous en prie!
 

MHz

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"...disjointed documents, composed...distorted..."

Perhaps he missed this verse (and many others).

Isa:28:9-10:
Whom shall he teach knowledge?
and whom shall he make to understand doctrine?
them that are weaned from the milk,
and drawn from the breasts.
Isa:28:10:
For precept must be upon precept,
precept upon precept;
line upon line,
line upon line;
here a little,
and there a little:

If there are 24 references to 'day of the Lord' in the OT then he should realize you have to read them all rather than if God didn't put them all in one location then it must be 'fiction'.

Since the OT in the 1611KJV was translated by Jews in Israel does he realize he is mocking Jews and their ability to keep the story straight? (after getting it back into perfect condition by Daniel and a few friends while in exile in Babylon)
 

Cliffy

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What can be said in response to the very logical and factual, not to mention academic term "weird", Twila? : )
Strange and illogical belief in the literal interpretation of this collection of revised, mistranslated, misinterpreted and misunderstood book that dozens of studies show that Dawkins is right. Thousands of additions and omissions have occurred since it was first put together. What is weird is that people still believe it is literal truth.
 

BornRuff

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"...disjointed documents, composed...distorted..."

Perhaps he missed this verse (and many others).

Isa:28:9-10:
Whom shall he teach knowledge?
and whom shall he make to understand doctrine?
them that are weaned from the milk,
and drawn from the breasts.
Isa:28:10:
For precept must be upon precept,
precept upon precept;
line upon line,
line upon line;
here a little,
and there a little:

If there are 24 references to 'day of the Lord' in the OT then he should realize you have to read them all rather than if God didn't put them all in one location then it must be 'fiction'.

Since the OT in the 1611KJV was translated by Jews in Israel does he realize he is mocking Jews and their ability to keep the story straight? (after getting it back into perfect condition by Daniel and a few friends while in exile in Babylon)

Can you really site the book itself as proof?
 

WLDB

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Strange and illogical belief in the literal interpretation of this collection of revised, mistranslated, misinterpreted and misunderstood book that dozens of studies show that Dawkins is right. Thousands of additions and omissions have occurred since it was first put together. What is weird is that people still believe it is literal truth.

Fortunately not as many percentage wise as before.
 

BornRuff

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"...disjointed documents, composed...distorted..." Says who? This needs to be cited. Bits and pieces always come together given time.

How many different versions of the bible are there?

"...unknown to us and unknown to each other..." So? Archaeologists make new finds regularly. What is unknown or not understood today, may have an explanation tomorrow.

They could also find evidence that Scientology is real.
 

WLDB

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Since the OT in the 1611KJV was translated by Jews in Israel does he realize he is mocking Jews and their ability to keep the story straight? (after getting it back into perfect condition by Daniel and a few friends while in exile in Babylon)

He is referring to more than just the OT and didn't specifically mention the KJV specifically, so no he isn't mocking Jews at all. Perhaps he is mocking some people who happened to be Jews but thats about it.
 

Cliffy

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"...disjointed documents, composed...distorted..."

Since the OT in the 1611KJV was translated by Jews in Israel does he realize he is mocking Jews and their ability to keep the story straight? (after getting it back into perfect condition by Daniel and a few friends while in exile in Babylon)
The OT was not even written until captivity in Babylon. Before that it was just a collection of oral traditions. The NT was not put together until 300+ years after the supposed death of Jesus. Before that there were hundreds of Christian writings. Most didn't make it into the final draft because they did not suit Constantin's political agenda.

There are literally thousands of different interpretations of the literal meanings of the bible. I have personally spoken to dozens of people who have had "divinely inspired" interpretations of the literal meanings of many passages of the bible. All have been of the evangelical persuasion. But you Htz take the cake.
 

pgs

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The OT was not even written until captivity in Babylon. Before that it was just a collection of oral traditions. The NT was not put together until 300+ years after the supposed death of Jesus. Before that there were hundreds of Christian writings. Most didn't make it into the final draft because they did not suit Constantin's political agenda.

There are literally thousands of different interpretations of the literal meanings of the bible. I have personally spoken to dozens of people who have had "divinely inspired" interpretations of the literal meanings of many passages of the bible. All have been of the evangelical persuasion. But you Htz take the cake.
Yup and I wonder how accurate your history of the extinct tribe is .
 

captain morgan

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Strange and illogical belief in the literal interpretation of this collection of revised, mistranslated, misinterpreted and misunderstood book that dozens of studies show that Dawkins is right. Thousands of additions and omissions have occurred since it was first put together. What is weird is that people still believe it is literal truth.

How do you (or Dawkins) know what the accurate interpretation/translation, etc is such that you are capable of making this broad-based statement?


Yup and I wonder how accurate your history of the extinct tribe is .


Funny how that works, eh?