Schizophrenia or shamanism.

karrie

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I find his view of schizophrenia actually falls in line with a study I read once upon a time about outcomes of schizophrenia, and how patients actually have a worse outcome if their family are compassionate and engaged with them. Those who are essentially pushed out of the nest and expected to sort themselves out were more likely to do so. Master your own mind, even if it is wired differently.

Whether that is aided by drug use I'm not sure but goodness knows it's how we try to tackle it now anyway.
 

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Ever tried ayahuasca Cliffy?
Not yet, but I hear there is someone in the Slocan Valley that is offering to guide.

The shaman I used to hang out with did not need to use drugs to take us beyond the veil, but I doubt that I would have been able to go there without having done drugs before to break down my social conditioning and fears.
 

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Not yet, but I hear there is someone in the Slocan Valley that is offering to guide.

The shaman I used to hang out with did not need to use drugs to take us beyond the veil, but I doubt that I would have been able to go there without having done drugs before to break down my social conditioning and fears.


I did the real deal down in Peru. That stuff is nucking futs. After the experience my wife and I have never been closer and she let go of a lot of issues of losing both her parents at a young age.

All I can say is GO FOR IT! You won't regret it.
 

karrie

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The shaman I used to hang out with did not need to use drugs to take us beyond the veil.....

There is a nurse I see on occasion who does guided imagery in my doctor's office. She can take me on more of a trip than pot. Everything will slip out from under me until I'm nothinge but a bare consciousness, and then the world collapses inward until I feel like I can touch everything in it all at once.
 

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There is a nurse I see on occasion who does guided imagery in my doctor's office. She can take me on more of a trip than pot. Everything will slip out from under me until I'm nothinge but a bare consciousness, and then the world collapses inward until I feel like I can touch everything in it all at once.
Breathing techniques?
 

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There are many ways to take the mind off the mundane, dissolve the ego and and experience oneness. It is what cerimony and ritual were designed to do before dogma made them useless.
 

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There are many ways to take the mind off the mundane, dissolve the ego and and experience oneness. It is what cerimony and ritual were designed to do before dogma made them useless.
You can find that in the Church if you know what to look for or how to do it.
 

karrie

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There are many ways to take the mind off the mundane, dissolve the ego and and experience oneness. It is what cerimony and ritual were designed to do before dogma made them useless.

Sounds like you let your ego stand in the way of connecting to a congregation. ;)
 

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Sounds like you let your ego stand in the way of connecting to a congregation. ;)
Oneness does not mean connecting to a congregation. Oneness is connecting to everything, the Universe. Like I have said before, if you want to know the truth, go to the source, connect with the Universe/God/Creative Energy/Earth Consciousness. Connecting with a group of people with conflicting thoughts and neurosis could be very confusing.
 

karrie

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Oneness does not mean connecting to a congregation. Oneness is connecting to everything, the Universe. Like I have said before, if you want to know the truth, go to the source, connect with the Universe/God/Creative Energy/Earth Consciousness. Connecting with a group of people with conflicting thoughts and neurosis could be very confusing.

They're just as much a part of this earth as anything else. It seems to me rejecting humanity is rejecting a huge part of the bigger picture
 

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They're just as much a part of this earth as anything else. It seems to me rejecting humanity is rejecting a huge part of the bigger picture
I don't know how you came to the rejecting humanity bit. But humanity is not the goal in communicating with the Source. One can communicate better with Source alone. In a group there is too much distraction. Of course, there is nothing wrong with communion with a group of people, but that is not what I was talking about.
 

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Oneness is what happens when through any of various means--meditation, chanting, drugs, even injury--the right half of your brain comes to dominate your thoughts and perceptions. The lady in this video got there by a massive stroke that shut down the left half of her brain, a bit more extreme a method than any of us would choose, but she describes what she experienced in terms that sound very much like the way people describe the oneness feeling when they get it in other ways. Things like this--the ecstatic religious experience, for instance, or the peaceful sense of unity people describe from meditation--come from inside us. That's not to denigrate it, simply to point out, as this lady does, that all of us have this inside us all the time, and there are a variety of ways to reach it. I've seen people at church services get into a similar transcendent state through a process that looks to me like a kind of auto-hypnosis, as a whole bunch of them say the rosary in perfect unison. It involves shutting down that constant chatter and analysis you get from the left side of your brain and letting the right side do its thing.

Jill Bolte Taylor's stroke of insight | Video on TED.com
 

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Oneness is what happens when through any of various means--meditation, chanting, drugs, even injury--the right half of your brain comes to dominate your thoughts and perceptions. The lady in this video got there by a massive stroke that shut down the left half of her brain, a bit more extreme a method than any of us would choose, but she describes what she experienced in terms that sound very much like the way people describe the oneness feeling when they get it in other ways. Things like this--the ecstatic religious experience, for instance, or the peaceful sense of unity people describe from meditation--come from inside us. That's not to denigrate it, simply to point out, as this lady does, that all of us have this inside us all the time, and there are a variety of ways to reach it. I've seen people at church services get into a similar transcendent state through a process that looks to me like a kind of auto-hypnosis, as a whole bunch of them say the rosary in perfect unison. It involves shutting down that constant chatter and analysis you get from the left side of your brain and letting the right side do its thing.

Jill Bolte Taylor's stroke of insight | Video on TED.com

I can't watch the video (says my Flash Viewer is out of date - older comp.) but I think I saw it before. The right side of the brain is the source of inspiration. Artists have known it for a long time. The left side of the brain is logical and linear.
The Source is in us, it is what connects us to the rest of the Universe - what the aboriginals call the web of life. We are but one strand on the web. The concept of individuallity and duality (the left side logic) keeps us from feeling that connection. All the methods you mention can collapst the sense of the indidual (ego) freeing the right brain to perceive the connection. I had a similar experience as Ms. Taylor's when I impacted my head into a wall of ice at 60 miles an hour.
Not sure if you watched the Terence video but, I think he is espousing the need to find a balance between logic and intuition.
 

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Is modern culture serving us or enslaving us? Is there a way out of suffering, war, abuse, and injustice that permeates western culture?
Terence has a few interesting things to say about it.

Great clip Cliffy. "Modern culture" is nearly completely synthetic now. The wedge between us and nature has been driven in to the hilt. You ask if there is a way out of the pain of life and I have lately come to appreciate why there is none, war makes peace, abuse makes gentle care and injustice builds justice. Without that dual nature of human experience there is no hope of balance and harmony. These are the subjects of the struggle between the self conscience mind and the material beast and no one of us has really lived without negative experience. That's is why all the ancient religions called life in the flesh hell, the underworld, the living tomb. I still want to see and experience a golden age and it will come for sure because all life moves in cycles, sometimes your on top of the sine wave sometimes your not. A friend of mine says he wants to fix the world but I tell him that would kill us all faster than the bomb. Evil is a teacher of good.
IMHO