Why does God hate babies who have not sinned?

[French Patriot]

Why does God hate babies whohave not sinned?

Scriptures indicate that Godknows that babies in the womb have not done anything good or evil. They alsoindicate that God hates some babies even while in the womb and innocent. It isalso said that God creates us and our characters. Our characters, as we evolve,cannot help but do evil. God then is responsible for the evil that we will doas he has created our natures. Natures that we cannot help but follow.

We can blame our free willand the choices we make for the evil that we do but this does not explain whyour God created natures decide to do evil. Theistic evolutionists try toexplain this paradox but the average literalist or fundamental Christian doesnot follow their reasoning.

We have no choice and no freewill to deviate from our God given sin nature and God would know this as it is wasall planned. Jesus was to die even beforeman was created. That is why Adam’s sin is called a necessary sin.

If we have no choice infollowing our sin natures, and cannot deviate from our part in God’s plan, thenwhat is God’s reason for punishing us for being exactly what he created andprogrammed us to do?

That is why Adam’s sin iscalled a necessary sin. He could not help but sin and neither can any of us.You cannot help but do evil and thus sin.

This is all rather abstractso if you like I will imagine a viable scenario for us to work with. We allknow that many are starving to death in various countries. Imagine one of thesestarving children walking past a farmer’s apple tree. The child knows that ifhe steals the apples that the farmer’s family will starve to death. He or shehas a choice of either stealing apples to prevent their death or not. Thesurvival instinct being our first instinct, I think apples will be eaten.

That child’s God given naturewill choose life, as all natures do by default, and eat an apple. Does thatchild deserve hell when it’s God given nature drove it to sin?

We cannot do anything butfollow our basic God given natures. Do we deserve hell for doing so?

Is God’s punishment unjust?

If sin was required for Jesusto manifest, Adam had to sin. Would his punishment and death have also beenunjust?

Did God, knowing Adam wouldbe a sinner and cause God’s/Jesus’ death, hate Adam as well when he wascreating him?

Regards
DL

This clip explains theisticevolution and how you cannot help but do evil and sin.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ProfMTH#g/c/6F8036F680C1DBEB

 

[Goober]

Back again- Where is your handler.

 

[captain morgan]

Did God communicate with you as a baby and express his hate?.. You know, maybe God just hates you

 

[karrie]

Does your belief system tell you god hates babies who have not sinned? Does that mean he loves babies who have?

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

I think God only hates Quebec Separatists.

 

[TenPenny]

I thought that many people believe that babies are born sinners, and need religion to fix them.

Never agreed with that myself, but I've had friends who talked about this claptrap.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Why does God hate babies whohave not sinned?

I think you're misreading the Christian doctrine of original sin, which is essentially that we all bear the burden of Adam and Eve's disobedience to god; no matter how blameless we may be personally the stain is still there. You're right to challenge it, but I doubt any Christian theologian would agree with your conclusion that god hates babies. I would conclude from the Old Testament that he hates everybody, though he seems to have had some good anger management training before showing up in the New Testament. But he doesn't actually show up as a dominant character in the NT the way he does in the OT, in the OT he speaks for himself, in the NT people speak for him. But if you expect the whole story as recorded in scripture to make consistent sense, you will be disappointed.

 

[French Patriot]

I thought that many people believe that babies are born sinners, and need religion to fix them.

Never agreed with that myself, but I've had friends who talked about this claptrap.

Respect grows.

The more progressive churches have dropped that idiocy but many others have not.

Regards
DL

I think you're misreading the Christian doctrine of original sin, which is essentially that we all bear the burden of Adam and Eve's disobedience to god; no matter how blameless we may be personally the stain is still there. You're right to challenge it, but I doubt any Christian theologian would agree with your conclusion that god hates babies. I would conclude from the Old Testament that he hates everybody, though he seems to have had some good anger management training before showing up in the New Testament. But he doesn't actually show up as a dominant character in the NT the way he does in the OT, in the OT he speaks for himself, in the NT people speak for him. But if you expect the whole story as recorded in scripture to make consistent sense, you will be disappointed.
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Sense is far from anything I see in scripture if read the way literalists and fundamentals do but it does hold a fair bit of wisdom if you read it the way Gnostic Christians read it.

After all, it is a consolidation of much of the older wisdom sayings from older religions.

God does hate babies in the womb though according to scriptures.

Romans 9:11-13

King James Version (KJV)
11 (For the children beingnot yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of Godaccording to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
12 It was said unto her, Theelder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacobhave I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Regards
DL

 

[Goober]

Respect grows.

The more progressive churches have dropped that idiocy but many others have not.

Regards
DL



Sense is far from anything I see in scripture if read the way literalists and fundamentals do but it does hold a fair bit of wisdom if you read it the way Gnostic Christians read it.

After all, it is a consolidation of much of the older wisdom sayings from older religions.

God does hate babies in the womb though according to scriptures.

Regards
DL

What progressive churches meet your standard.

 

[damngrumpy]

What is in the Bible has been re written dozens of time to fit the moral and political views
of those entrusted with the document. This also holds true for most of the great religious
books. Religion is not about a spiritual journey its about the ongoing political view of the
world.
Back in the time of Christ Rome was a vast right wing fascist state and Jesus spoke against
it. Now the Conservatives have control of the Christian movement and have had since
Constantine governed Rome. Christ would even recognize the movement he started if he
came back today.
You are buying into the traditions and politics instead of the meaning of the religion itself.
And screaming against the Bible nets little in a rising profile for thousands of others have
taken the road before you and there is no answer to the questions asked.

 

[Goober]

What is in the Bible has been re written dozens of time to fit the moral and political views
of those entrusted with the document. This also holds true for most of the great religious
books. Religion is not about a spiritual journey its about the ongoing political view of the
world.
Back in the time of Christ Rome was a vast right wing fascist state and Jesus spoke against
it. Now the Conservatives have control of the Christian movement and have had since
Constantine governed Rome. Christ would even recognize the movement he started if he
came back today.
You are buying into the traditions and politics instead of the meaning of the religion itself.
And screaming against the Bible nets little in a rising profile for thousands of others have
taken the road before you and there is no answer to the questions asked.

I cannot think of 1 moral quandary a person may face in life that is not addressed by the teachings of Jesus.

 

[gerryh]

God doesn't hate baby's, so your question is moot.

 

[DaSleeper]

God doesn't hate baby's, so your question is moot.

Why do atheists quote the Bible more more than any bible thumping televangelist i have ever seen on the tube???

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I cannot think of 1 moral quandary a person may face in life that is not addressed by the teachings of Jesus.

I've never faced a moral quandary where the teachings of Jesus were of any use at all.

God does hate babies in the womb though according to scriptures.

Romans 9:11-13

I don't see how you get "god hates babies" out of that citation.

 

[Goober]

I've never faced a moral quandary where the teachings of Jesus were of any use at all.

I don't see how you get "god hates babies" out of that citation.

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I never asked about your moral quandaries- I made a clear and concise statement about the teachings of Jesus. Do you agree or disagree with it.
This is what I posted.

I cannot think of 1 moral quandary a person may face in life that is not addressed by the teachings of Jesus.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I never asked about your moral quandaries- I made a clear and concise statement about the teachings of Jesus. Do you agree or disagree with it.
This is what I posted.

I cannot think of 1 moral quandary a person may face in life that is not addressed by the teachings of Jesus.

Yes, I know what you posted, it was a clear and concise statement of something you think about the teachings of Jesus, not really anything about the teachings themselves. I'm sure you're right that you can't think of a moral quandary that Jesus' teachings don't address, I couldn't logically disagree with that but I'd say it indicates a limitation in your imagination and/or experience, not anything necessarily about the depth or breadth of Jesus' teachings.

Just because you can't think of any doesn't mean there aren't any, there are plenty of issues Jesus isn't reported as addressing that are currently argued about in moral terms in certain circles. Abortion, homosexuality, same sex marriage, stem cell research, cloning, capital punishment, the teaching of evolution... He didn't even object to slavery, or at least isn't recorded as having done so, he seemed to accept it as part of the natural order of the world he lived in.

 

[gerryh]

Yes, I know what you posted, it was a clear and concise statement of something you think about the teachings of Jesus, not really anything about the teachings themselves. I'm sure you're right that you can't think of a moral quandary that Jesus' teachings don't address, I couldn't logically disagree with that but I'd say it indicates a limitation in your imagination and/or experience, not anything necessarily about the depth or breadth of Jesus' teachings.

Just because you can't think of any doesn't mean there aren't any, there are plenty of issues Jesus isn't reported as addressing that are currently argued about in moral terms in certain circles. Abortion, homosexuality, same sex marriage, stem cell research, cloning, capital punishment, the teaching of evolution... He didn't even object to slavery, or at least isn't recorded as having done so, he seemed to accept it as part of the natural order of the world he lived in.

Christ's teachings address all of what you have mentioned. It's not our fault that YOUR imagination and/or experience prevents you from seeing this.

 

[Goober]

Yes, I know what you posted, it was a clear and concise statement of something you think about the teachings of Jesus, not really anything about the teachings themselves. I'm sure you're right that you can't think of a moral quandary that Jesus' teachings don't address, I couldn't logically disagree with that but I'd say it indicates a limitation in your imagination and/or experience, not anything necessarily about the depth or breadth of Jesus' teachings.

Just because you can't think of any doesn't mean there aren't any, there are plenty of issues Jesus isn't reported as addressing that are currently argued about in moral terms in certain circles. Abortion, homosexuality, same sex marriage, stem cell research, cloning, capital punishment, the teaching of evolution... He didn't even object to slavery, or at least isn't recorded as having done so, he seemed to accept it as part of the natural order of the world he lived in.

Well from my perspective I have at one point in my life been in what i refer to as the Gates of Hell, I know that path, the emotional pain, the wackos I met in Bosnia. And I spent years inside those gates.

I have a wild imagination, I have had experiences that many have not had, many others have experienced far far worse than I ever did.

My experience is not lacking in the hate and evil people can do. Nor is my experience lacking in the compassion of many as well.

Just because someone has not been recorded as speaking about a topic as you mention such as slavery does not mean it is not covered by the teachings of Jesus or that Jesus did not talk about it. Just not recorded.
Also you are making assumptions of your own on slavery. Is this an unbiased opinion? Remember everyone has bias, everyone has an agenda.

The big 10 cover a number of things you mention.

As to the decisions a person makes - judge not lest you and the rest you are familiar with. That is why I believe in Free Will.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Just because someone has not been recorded as speaking about a topic as you mention such as slavery does not mean it is not covered by the teachings of Jesus or that Jesus did not talk about it. Just not recorded.

That's like arguing that "'Do what seems right to you" covers everything. It does in a sense, but it has no real content as a guide to thought and action. Jesus is not recorded as speaking out against slavery, though we all now recognize it as wrong, so we can't know what he thought about it. Abolition movements didn't begin until the 18th century, prior to that, back to Jesus' times and well beyond into Old Testament times and longer, probably predating writing, slavery was an accepted part of many economic systems. You can't expect anyone to accept the claim that Jesus' teachings that WERE recorded contain a message against slavery but nobody noticed for over 1700 years. Post facto rationalizations don't cut it. You cannot derive the idea that slavery is a bad thing from reading the Christian scriptures, that's a later idea from humanist and secular philosophy.

 

[Cannuck]

Jesus Contradicts Himself.