Israel 'attacks' Gaza aid fleet


petros
#1
I wouldn't mind ads like this IF they were true.

There is nothing that pisses me off more than being lied to.

YouTube - Keep Israel Safe
 
clutch
#2
sickening propaganda
 
Colpy
Conservative
#3
Ah yes.....and exactly what is a lie?

I love it when the feel good Nanny-state leftists leap forward to defend a regime that persecutes women, executes homosexuals, murders and imprisons Canadian journalists, and cheats in elections, then puts down protest with an iron fist.......

.....against, of course, the evil Joos, who have a democratic state in which Arabs vote, have members in the Knesset, and have served on the Supreme Court, a secular state, in which you are free to live as you please, with most of the liberties fundamental to a western society.....despite being in a de facto war since the day of their creation, 62 years ago.....

Got a small problem telling the good guys from the bad, do you?
 
weaselwords
No Party Affiliation
#4
Its propaganda like this that presupposed Iran to have an operational nuclear weapon literally tomorrow that does no justice to Israel's hopes for some little step toward peace love & understanding.
 
petros
#5
Quote:

I love it when the feel good Nanny-state leftists leap forward to defend a regime that persecutes women, executes homosexuals, murders and imprisons Canadian journalists, and cheats in elections, then puts down protest with an iron fist.......

This is about Israel not America.
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#6
The war mongers in the US are rallying the troops. Onward Christian soldiers marching off to war! Hate propaganda against anyone, whether you support them or just do not know who to believe, is still hate. We really don't know if the charges against Iran are true or not and especially if the information we are getting is coming from hate mongers like the right wing loonies who produced that video. And, of course, Colpy's right wing knee jerk reaction was right on cue.
 
petros
#7
What makes this statement true and what makes it false?

Quote:

Noted Israeli military historian Martin van Creveld stated that Israel could find itself one day forced to exterminate the European continent using all kinds of weapons including its nuclear arsenal if it felt its demise neared, stressing that Israel also considers Europe a hostile target.
This came in a press interview broadcast by the seventh Hebrew radio and was translated on Wednesday into Arabic by the press information analysis and study center.
“We have hundreds of nuclear warheads and missiles that can reach different targets in the heart of the European continent, including beyond the borders of Rome, the Italian capital,” Creveld said, adding that most of the European capitals would become preferred targets for the Israeli air force.
The Israeli historian reiterated Israel’s ability to destroy the whole world whenever it felt its existence would be doomed to extinction.
As for the Palestinians, the historian said that Israel at the present time pursues a specific strategy based on mass deportation of the Palestinian people and has intentions to expel all Palestinians without exception, but it is awaiting the right moment to take this step.



Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

And, of course, Colpy's right wing knee jerk reaction was right on cue.

Hook, line and sphincter.
 
Colpy
Conservative
#8
Quote:

Quote:
Noted Israeli military historian Martin van Creveld stated that Israel could find itself one day forced to exterminate the European continent using all kinds of weapons including its nuclear arsenal if it felt its demise neared, stressing that Israel also considers Europe a hostile target.
This came in a press interview broadcast by the seventh Hebrew radio and was translated on Wednesday into Arabic by the press information analysis and study center.
“We have hundreds of nuclear warheads and missiles that can reach different targets in the heart of the European continent, including beyond the borders of Rome, the Italian capital,” Creveld said, adding that most of the European capitals would become preferred targets for the Israeli air force.
The Israeli historian reiterated Israel’s ability to destroy the whole world whenever it felt its existence would be doomed to extinction.
As for the Palestinians, the historian said that Israel at the present time pursues a specific strategy based on mass deportation of the Palestinian people and has intentions to expel all Palestinians without exception, but it is awaiting the right moment to take this step.

Source Please.

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

The war mongers in the US are rallying the troops. Onward Christian soldiers marching off to war! Hate propaganda against anyone, whether you support them or just do not know who to believe, is still hate. We really don't know if the charges against Iran are true or not and especially if the information we are getting is coming from hate mongers like the right wing loonies who produced that video. And, of course, Colpy's right wing knee jerk reaction was right on cue.

Absolutely correct!

I hate a regime that murders journalists, beats and executes homosexuals, whips, imprisons and kills women for normal behaviours, murders dissidents, arms terror groups and encourages their murderous rampages world-wide....

I loathe them.

As I should.
 
AnnaG
#9
Gee, another thread about Israel.
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
+1
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Source Please.



Absolutely correct!

I hate a regime that murders journalists, beats and executes homosexuals, whips, imprisons and kills women for normal behaviours, murders dissidents, arms terror groups and encourages their murderous rampages world-wide....

I loathe them.

As I should.

But you turn a blind eye to the crimes against humanity that Israel commits. That is very selective. I condemn all acts against humanity but I also am selective about the "information" and the source from which it comes. The video in the OP is a blatant piece of hate propaganda and as such is damnable along with its creators. Have you been to Iran to see the things you accuse Iran of or do you rely on American mass media propaganda for your "information"? I don't have enough facts to form an opinion on Iran because I have not seen credible information.

I have read a full spectrum of information about Israel and from it conclude that they are in the wrong. It is an opinion I have held for decades. They are doing to the Palestinians what Hitler did to them. I used to be a big supporter, but not any more.
 
clutch
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Ah yes.....and exactly what is a lie?

The lie is the video tries to make Israel look like a poor victimless nation being bullied and oppressed. Are you serious?


Israeli crimes against humanity: Gruesome images of charred and mutilated bodies following Israeli air strikes

this link says it all... warning the pictures aren't pretty but they show the you the atrocities israel has committed against humanity.




A Lebanese medic carries the body of a young girl, in a refrigerated truck used as a makeshift morgue, in the port city of Sidon, Lebanon, Monday, July 17 - AP







PLEASE , SAVE ISRAEL! **** off you pigs.
Last edited by Ron in Regina; May 25th, 2010 at 01:31 PM..
 
Bar Sinister
No Party Affiliation
#12
Who wrote that crap? Looks like the usual far right BS.
 
In Between Man
Free Thinker
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by clutch View Post

The lie is the video tries to make Israel look like a poor victimless nation being bullied and oppressed. Are you serious?

Israel has never known peace in the modern world! 6 million were slaughtered in the second world war! And they don't deserve their homeland?

Do you deny the holocaust?
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by alleywayzalwayz View Post

Israel has never known peace in the modern world! 6 million were slaughtered in the second world war! And they don't deserve their homeland?

Do you deny the holocaust?

The holocaust happened 60 years ago. Since then they have systematically done the same thing to the Palestinians. Sorry, the video is a PR piece of hate propaganda for the right wing lunatic fringe. Since the commies have fallen, has the new cry become "Kill a Muslim for Christ!"? It sure looks like it.
 
Colpy
Conservative
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

But you turn a blind eye to the crimes against humanity that Israel commits. That is very selective. I condemn all acts against humanity but I also am selective about the "information" and the source from which it comes. The video in the OP is a blatant piece of hate propaganda and as such is damnable along with its creators. Have you been to Iran to see the things you accuse Iran of or do you rely on American mass media propaganda for your "information"? I don't have enough facts to form an opinion on Iran because I have not seen credible information.

I have read a full spectrum of information about Israel and from it conclude that they are in the wrong. It is an opinion I have held for decades. They are doing to the Palestinians what Hitler did to them. I used to be a big supporter, but not any more.

I choose to defend Israel here for a couple of reasons.....the most important one is the hatred I see directed towards Israel and Jews. The simple fact is that Israel, while far from perfect, is one Hell of a lot better nation to live in than any of her enemies........and she is (rightfully) our ally.

Cliffy, do a little research.....I did. Here's a fact. In 62 years of conflict between Israel and her neighbours, there have been AT MOST 135,000 dead, on both sides. Somewhere slightly over 10% of these have been Israelis, the rest their enemy........to say that "They are doing to the Palestinians what Hitler did to them" is an incredible smear, as Hitler and his buddies murdered 6 million Jews (one third of the world Jewish population) in about 6 years...........I seriously suggest you rethink that attack.

Try Reading Lolita in Iran......just for one little bit of research on Iranian society.....or go easy on yourself, and simply review the opinion of any human rights organization.......

Iran is a looney state, just behing North Korea on the whacko scale......

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

The holocaust happened 60 years ago. Since then they have systematically done the same thing to the Palestinians. Sorry, the video is a PR piece of hate propaganda for the right wing lunatic fringe. Since the commies have fallen, has the new cry become "Kill a Muslim for Christ!"? It sure looks like it.

Oh....and I meant to say....yes the vid is propaganda.

Unfortunately, it is also basically the truth.

Mind you, I would advise against an attack on Iran until the absolute final moment possible, and would hope that moment never comes, as an attack on Iran would turn many in the burgeoning dissident movement into supporters of their gov't , and the Iranian theocrats would use it as an excuse to destroy the rest.
 
AnnaG
#16
"How About Keeping The Rest Of Us Safe From Israel?"

How about keeping us safe from more new threads about Israel?
 
Colpy
Conservative
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by clutch View Post

The lie is the video tries to make Israel look like a poor victimless nation being bullied and oppressed. Are you serious?


Israeli crimes against humanity: Gruesome images of charred and mutilated bodies following Israeli air strikes

this link says it all... warning the pictures aren't pretty but they show the you the atrocities israel has committed against humanity.




A Lebanese medic carries the body of a young girl, in a refrigerated truck used as a makeshift morgue, in the port city of Sidon, Lebanon, Monday, July 17 - AP







PLEASE , SAVE ISRAEL! **** off you pigs.

Perhaps Hezbollah should have refrained from kidnapping Israeli troops out of Israel, and then firing missiles into Israel, huh????

Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG View Post

"How About Keeping The Rest Of Us Safe From Israel?"

How about keeping us safe from more new threads about Israel?

Anna, Anna....always the campaigner, the stalwart defender of the hopeless cause!
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#18
There is no greater crime than the apartheid state of Israel and there are no smaller men than their defenders. Israel is the greatest collection of liars, thieves and murderers ever assembled. Destroying Israel won't solve all the worlds problems but it will solve most of them. I enjoy their discomfort entirely. No friend of Israel is a countryman of mine.
 
clutch
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post


, is one Hell of a lot better nation to live in than any of her enemies........and she is (rightfully) our ally.

Yea that is definitely a fact,, that's because Israel is bombing the hell out of their neighbours and creating destruction and chaos (as well as charred children) wherever they see fit.

i won't blindly support israel because my country is allied with them.

Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Try Reading Lolita in Iran......just for one little bit of research on Iranian society.....or go easy on yourself, and simply review the opinion of any human rights organization.......

Is that "...In Iran", or "...In Tehran" ? I want to know because I want to read it but I found Tehran instead.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG View Post

"How About Keeping The Rest Of Us Safe From Israel?"

How about keeping us safe from more new threads about Israel?

How about getting used to discussing that disgusting nation instead of helping them to plant trees on stolen land?
 
clutch
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Perhaps Hezbollah should have refrained from kidnapping Israeli troops out of Israel, and then firing missiles into Israel, huh????

i'm quite sure Hezbollah's reasoning for the capture of Israel troops was so they could exchange them for Lebanese prisoners, who were captured by the israeli's..
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
#22
Fire all the weapons one degree west of straight up - five if there's a breeze.
 
Spade
Free Thinker
#23
The Middle East should be a nuclear-weapons-free zone, including Israel's!
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#24
Why should the middle east be nuclear free? Especially when the rest of the planet is not. The middle east should be Israel free, that would also fix the nuclear weapons problem.
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
#25
Sure easy to tell who the Jew haters are on here.
How many Jewish suicide bombers have you seen?
How many Jews have thrown acid into little girls faces just because they want an education?
How many Jews were involved in flying planes into the World Trade Center?
How many Israelis go around screaming DEATH to their neighbours?
I think Israel has shown remarkable restraint. If I was in charge there I would carpet bomb one arab city for every rocket launched into Israel and every every citizen killed by a suicide bomber.
Terrorists and their socialist supporters should be eliminated from our planet.
 
petros
#26
I don't see Israel as the problem. I see American secular Jews and Christian Zionists (oxymoron if ever there were one) as the problem. Without that jaded, uneducated support Israel would be a completly different nation. One that has no choice but toe the line.

Quote: Originally Posted by alleywayzalwayz View Post

Israel has never known peace in the modern world! 6 million were slaughtered in the second world war! And they don't deserve their homeland?

Do you deny the holocaust?

It's 3 million according to the ADL's Abe Foxman.
 
clutch
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Sure easy to tell who the Jew haters are on here.
How many Jewish suicide bombers have you seen?
How many Jews have thrown acid into little girls faces just because they want an education?
How many Jews were involved in flying planes into the World Trade Center?
How many Israelis go around screaming DEATH to their neighbours?
I think Israel has shown remarkable restraint. If I was in charge there I would carpet bomb one arab city for every rocket launched into Israel and every every citizen killed by a suicide bomber.
Terrorists and their socialist supporters should be eliminated from our planet.

I can't speak for everyone but I'm talking specifically about the Israeli's not the entire jewish populace.

you seem to be targeting the entire muslim or arab populace.

that would be a bit racist my friend .

israeli's have committed more atrocities to humanity than any of these islamic fundamentalists. so have the americans for that matter.
 
Colpy
Conservative
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by clutch View Post

Yea that is definitely a fact,, that's because Israel is bombing the hell out of their neighbours and creating destruction and chaos (as well as charred children) wherever they see fit.

i won't blindly support israel because my country is allied with them.



Is that "...In Iran", or "...In Tehran" ? I want to know because I want to read it but I found Tehran instead.

My apologies....It is, of course, Reading Lolita in Tehran. It is the story of an American Literature professor at the University of Tehran during the Revolution and after. Interesting.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Sure easy to tell who the Jew haters are on here.
How many Jewish suicide bombers have you seen?
How many Jews have thrown acid into little girls faces just because they want an education?
How many Jews were involved in flying planes into the World Trade Center?
How many Israelis go around screaming DEATH to their neighbours?
I think Israel has shown remarkable restraint. If I was in charge there I would carpet bomb one arab city for every rocket launched into Israel and every every citizen killed by a suicide bomber.
Terrorists and their socialist supporters should be eliminated from our planet.

The same eternal whine from the supporters of Israel. It's not about Jews so stop trying to make the point that isn't relevant to a pack of genocidal murderers, none of whom give a damn about religion except when it's conveinient to use like you just did. You want to eliminate terrorists eliminate Israel, they are the worlds leading exponents of terror and you love them.

Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

My apologies....It is, of course, Reading Lolita in Tehran. It is the story of an American Literature professor at the University of Tehran during the Revolution and after. Interesting.

It's a story, just like Santa Claus.
 
clutch
#30
Australia expels Israeli diplomat over Dubai killing

Page last updated at 11:45 GMT, Monday, 24 May 2010 12:45 UK



Mahmoud al-Mabhouh was killed in his hotel room in Dubai on 19 January Australia has expelled an Israeli diplomat saying Israel was behind the forging of Australian passports linked to the murder of a Hamas operative in Dubai.





BBC News - Australia expels Israeli diplomat over Dubai killing