The 911 Commission Report is Full of Holes

585 pages- it's too much to read, so don't even bother folks. They produced this monstrosity to convice you that they've REALLY researched, and you don't have time to look into this like we did, so just trust us: The gov't did their best, but they just weren't prepared for such an attack.

The official 911 Report (7mb pdf) is so full of holes, all you need is common sense to see through their lies- and it doesn't take 585 pages to prove that this a cover-up... using their own document- and a few audio clips they 'forgot' to investigate. (footnotes are pdf page # -not printed page)
That may well be the case.

But it doesnt change the fact that it was a horrific act of terror perpetrated by terrorists, whose intent was to kill as many people as possible.
Reverend Blair
Hardly anybody questions that, researchok. The question is whether the Bush (and to a lesser extent, Clinton) White House was negligent in dealing with the matter.

That report will not come out until after the election. Since the commission has more Republicans than Democrats, that makes me suspicious that the criticisms may not be gentle at all.
The report is available now.

Theres enough blame to go round. Everyone fell asleep at the wheel. In Clintons's defense, he was aware of much-- but didnt want to hurt civilians in an attempt to get Al Queda. That's a mistake no one will make again.

He made a few other mistakes- plenty, as did Bush-- but in the end, no one put the pieces together.

Im reading excerpts available online.
Yes the report is available and I am skimming it too. Interesting stuff so far.

You can download it from Here:
Yup....I saw that.

From where I sit, theres plenty that wasnt addressed. That really isnt surprising though, and was expected, given the sensitive nature of some of the issues and ongoing national security matters.

In the end though, it wasnt Bush or Clinton that was to blame.

That falls squarely on the people who did it and want to cause more harm.
No argument there. The people did it to harm the US in a bad way. The question is WHY?
Because they wanted to.

Israel is not the real issue-- never was. It just provided a convenient excuse.

OBL never gave a damn about the Palestinians till recently. His big cause was getting Infidels out of KSA.

He wants his Khilafah-- in HIS image.
Reverend Blair
I heard (likely on CBC) there was another report coming out strictly about the political handling of terrorism etc. Same commission, I believe, but looking strictly at the actions and non-actions of the White House. That's the one that isn't being released until after the election.

That they didn't put the pieces together is a joke. Human rights groups, various women's groups, and even historical and archaeological societies were pointing to the likelyhood of a major terrorist strike by al Qaeda and the Taliban as a way of getting their issues addressed.

They were ignored and dismissed by two administrations, but their points were valid.
I don't think anyone can blame Bush or Clinton or the U.S Government. I think we were not prepared because of our attitude. That attitude that pisses so many off.

The cowboy attitude. The confidence. The swagger.

The 911 commission was mostly a waste of time. Its only good may be its recommendations to prevent recurrence. Any finger pointing and Monday morning quarterbacking is useless. No one thought anyone had the balls to attack us on our own soil. 911 could never have been prevented because America would never believe it could happen, even if it was foretold by everyone.

Quote: Originally Posted by moghrabi

No argument there. The people did it to harm the US in a bad way. The question is WHY?

The question of WHY is asked a lot. I wonder why, in light of Osama’s letter to America that gave us the answer. He told us why it was done.

Quote: Originally Posted by researchok

Because they wanted to.

Israel is not the real issue-- never was. It just provided a convenient excuse.

Interesting response. In Osama’s letter, he clearly pointed out we could prevent further attacks by dropping our laws, and following the only law that mattered; the Quran.

I find it completely fascinating that liberal thinking people do not support the war on terrorism. If the war or attacks against America were to succeed, liberals would be the first to come under duress from Islamic beliefs. Homosexuals would be put to death. Women would lose almost all rights, etc. The logic eludes me.
Reverend Blair

No one thought anyone had the balls to attack us on our own soil. 911 could never have been prevented because America would never believe it could happen, even if it was foretold by everyone.

There had already been an attack on the WTC by Muslim extremists though. bin Laden had declared war on the US. That those things were not taken seriously is a major problem.


I find it completely fascinating that liberal thinking people do not support the war on terrorism.

That isn't exactly true. Stopping terrorism is supported by the left. The way this "war on terrorism" is being carried out is not supported largely because it is not a war on terror, but a war for control of resources.

That's been lost in the "with us or agin us" rhetoric of George Bush....that cowboy attitude you were mentioning doesn't work very well outside of Texas.
I think youre right on the mark with that, rev.

Very few voices tok the problem of terror seriously. In addition, we didnt want to go after terrorists if it meant hitting civilians (remember Saddams anti aircraft batterries on hospital roofs and his 'armories' in primary schools?).

I dont think in post 9/11 world, we'd be that squeamish again.

No argument there. The people did it to harm the US in a bad way. The question is WHY?

A central question... with no sufficient answer.

Why would al-Qaida attack America? What purpose does it serve? al-Qaida is America's best friend. Attacks against America give the Americans the excuse to invade and occupy Middle East countries. This serves al-Qaida's interest?

Canadian writer Gwynne Dyer: "He [George Bush] thinks that the terrorists are trying to make Americans unhappy in order to 'induce them to accept terrorist demands?' What demands could the Islamist terrorists of al-Qaida possibly make that the United States could conceivably grant?

Fly them all to Havana? Convert to Islam? Put the money in unmarked notes in a brown paper bag and leave it behind the radiator? The whole notion that this is some sort of giant extortion operation is as naive (or as wilfully ignorant) as the Bush administration's pet explanation that the terrorists attack the U.S. because 'they hate our freedoms.' Unfortunately, the post-9-11 intellectual climate in the United States has prevented any serious discussion of the terrorists' goals and their strategies for achieving them.

The Islamist radicals have always been completely open about their goals. They want to take power in the Muslim countries (phase one of the project), and then unite the entire Muslim world in a final struggle to overthrow the power of the West (phase two). They are still stuck in phase one, with little to show for it despite 30 years of trying, so in the early 1990s Osama bin Laden and his colleagues switched from head-on assaults on the regimes in Muslim countries to direct attacks on Western targets. Yet their first-phase goal remains seizing power in the Muslim world, not some fantasy about "bringing the West to its knees."

British and American foreign policy is based on a series of highly improbable theories, the biggest of which is that an evil Saudi millionaire genius in a cave in the Hindu Kush controls a secret worldwide network of ‘tens of thousands of terrorists’ ‘in more than 60 countries’ (George Bush).

News reports frequently tell us that terrorist organisations, such as those which have attacked Bali or Istanbul, have ‘links’ to al-Qa’eda, but we never learn quite what those ‘links’ are. According to two terrorism experts in California, Adam Dolnik and Kimberly McCloud, this is because they do not exist.

The al-Qaida myth...

"There are always has been and will be 2-bit terrorists. Right now all disgruntled and disillusioned individuals, all small-time 'terrorists' use the Al-qaeda moniker to exaggerate their threat -- they claim to be 'Al-qaeda.'

The US desperately, NEEDS Al-qaeda and promotes them whenever possible. Al-qaeda is the U.S. and international "bogeyman" able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. Sleeper cells and a network of thousands? No.

An asset to the U.S.? Yes. Just cry the name Al-qaeda or bin-Laden and this is their justification for all domestic policy restricting civil rights and for aggressive foreign actions. The ignorant public then rallies around the administration."

9/11 was an inside job. Don't we all accepct that? If not. Why not?

The Incompetence Theory: The most extensive incompetence theory in history implies that incredible incompetence was manifested by FBI agents, FAA flight controllers, NMCC officials, NORAD officials, and jet fighter pilots, among others.

Momentarily they all became incredibly incompetent. A coincident? With available evidence, the coincident theory requires even greater credulity.

A Freudian Slip of the Tongue: Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld in the Pentagon on October 12, 2001, in which he, in speaking of the various kinds of weapons used by the terrorists, referred to "the missile [used] to damage this building."

David Ray Griffin -- The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions about the Bush Administration and 9/11

This book analyzes various theories... from Let it Happen to Make it Happen... looking at the evidence Make it Happen is clearly the conclusion.

"Part of the impulse to deny is a desparate wish to avoid coming face-to-face with the gruesome realites that are embedded in the power structure of government that controls our lives. Griffin's book is a much-needed anti-dote for the collective denial that has paralyzed the conscience and consciousness of the the nation... After all there has been a long history of manipulated public beliefs, especially in matters of war and peace."

When Rather asked, if he (Bearden) thought bin Laden was responsible for 9/11, Bearden downright snubbed the possibility. Bearden explained "a far more sophisticated intelligence operation had to be behind these precise coordinated attacks... if they didn't have a bin Laden they would have invented one."

Friendly-fire and False-flag terrorism share the same objectives: governments orchestrate terrorist attacks to be carried out on their own soil in order to strike fear in the population and to create a "public enemy".

German Minister of Technology (which included supervision of German intelligence - the BND), Andreas von Bülow:

"This tactic is called a “false flag operation” or a “false flag recruitment”, used by both the CIA and Mossad for purposes of propaganda. “Ninety-five percent of the work of the intelligence agencies around the world is deception and disinformation,” von Bülow said, which is widely propagated in the mainstream media creating an accepted version of events.

“Journalists don’t even raise the simplest questions,” he said, adding, “those who differ are labeled as crazy.” "

The 9/11 participants were mules in a sophisticated intelligence operation.

Truth, Lies, and The Legend of 9/11

What follows is a reconstruction of one of the most extensive disinformation campaigns in history, and the chronicle of a legend that may now shine a devastating spotlight on some of the cliques behind 9/11.

Chaim Kupferberg

October 21, 2003 - Many of the more popular theories concerning September 11 rest on a selective reading of the facts. In other words, they focus on certain elements of the story - failing, in the end, to account for a wide-ranging number of facts and anomalies that cannot be adequately accounted for by such theories. As one prime example, the complacency theory for 9/11 only works so long as one studiously and consistently ignores the compelling circumstantial evidence for all the various well-timed coincidences that stubbornly recur in practically every rudimentary recitation of the facts.

Whether the 9/11 disinformation campaign has been conducted for the purposes of a truly new world order, or simply for oil, geopolitical stability, monopolization of utilities, water, food, or population control by way of viral threats - any one specific agenda at this time cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt (in the fullest legal sense). Perhaps an intended new order encompasses all of the above, involving an intersection of a number of common interests.

What I am suggesting, then, is the existence of a covert global political network operating through an increasingly sophisticated corporate and media infrastructure. Carl Bernstein (of Watergate fame), estimated that there were as many as 500 journalists in the United States on the C.I.A. payroll. Moreover, former C.I.A. Director William Colby had gone on record as revealing, "The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any major significance in the major media."

But my main point is that, like the Official 9/11 Legend, these counter-legends exist - and indeed were built in - so as to furnish a number of false leads, thereby obscuring the most essential fact that a long-standing covert infrastructure has stage-managed both the crimes and the cover-ups, while parceling out the information to various witting - and unwitting - operatives. It is the classic case of not seeing the forest for the trees.

Likewise, we can not be sure as to which political players are kept in line through financial or sexual bribery, and which of those have come on board for purely ideological reasons.

As I stated before, one way to pull off a tightly compartmentalized conspiracy is to ensure that all key parties are potentially open to blackmail, thereby ensuring that no one individual player may grab the upper hand by unilaterally incriminating the others.

We need to counter the psychological herd mentality which compels the masses among these groups to follow the designs of those higher up in authority. There are, at present, likely thousands of decent law-abiding Americans who have witnessed many aspects of the anomalies described herein, yet they have been intimidated or discouraged from revealing what they know. Without a powerful countervailing elite group to harvest their testimonies and "mainstream" the incriminating evidence, they are left with no recourse but to remain silent.

[this is a large document that reads like a Robert Ludlum novel - an historic opus that must NOT go unread]
American Voice
Osama bin Laden fancies himself the ruler of Saudi Arabia. It is said of the obsessive man that he interprets everything in terms of the object of his obsession. Osama's eagerness to employ his share of his father's fortune in pursuit of radical causes was tainted by his CIA affiliation in Afghanistan, and meant that he had to somehow distance himself from the latter, by employing liberal amounts of the former. Ergo, 9/11.

Moghrabi writes: "585 pages- it's too much to read, so don't even bother folks. They produced this monstrosity to convice you that they've REALLY researched, and you don't have time to look into this like we did, so just trust us: The gov't did their best, but they just weren't prepared for such an attack."

It's a rhetorical black hole.
The central question with any operation is: Who benefits?

Certainly not any of the 50 million Muslims under U.S. military control/influence.

Catherine Austin Fitts is the President of Solari in Hickory Valley, Tennessee.

Ms. Fitts is a former managing director and member of the board of directors of Dillon Read & Co, Inc, a former Assistant Secretary of Housing-Federal Housing Commissioner in the first Bush Administration, and President of The Hamilton Securities Group, Inc.
All these conspiracies and players.

Thousands of them, all keeping secrets.

Uh huh, right.
I am doing my weekend update...

Here is something to consider and not the first time Mr. Margolis has referred to this fact - see above links...

Iran new U.S. whipping boy -- Those who deceived America into attacking Iraq may be at it again, cautions Eric Margolis
There has been no real evidence produced that Iran knew of the 9/11 attacks or assisted them.

In fact, the Bush administration has still never produced the white paper promised by Colin Powell in late 2001 proving bin Laden and al-Qaida were behind 9/11.

Denial abounds.
Reverend Blair

All these conspiracies and players.

Thousands of them, all keeping secrets.

It doesn't require a conspiracy...just a bunch of individuals pushing their own agendas and covering up their own mistakes. Suddenly it looks like a vast and complex conspiracy, but it's so vast and so complex that nobody can believe it so they believe whatever they are told. The people telling them things are still pushing their own agendas and covering up their own mistakes though.

The main conspirators are greed and incompetence. The rest are just bit players.
Adolf Hitler's axiom - The greater the lie, the more apt it is to be believed.
Are you saying that OBL was NOT responsible for 9/11???
OBL was undergoing dialysis in a Pakistan Military hospital while being visited by his friendly Saudi family and the CIA station chief.

Please refer to the links provided earlier... (which takes us to the discussion of Dueling Cut and Paste)

"the goal has never been to get Bin Laden"

No serious attempt has ever been made to catch Bin Laden. In late September and early October 2001, leaders of Pakistan's two Islamist parties negotiated Bin Laden's extradition to Pakistan to stand trial for 9/11. However, a US official said, significantly, that "casting our objectives too narrowly" risked "a premature collapse of the international effort if by some lucky chance Mr Bin Laden was captured".

The US chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, General Myers, went so far as to say that "the goal has never been to get Bin Laden" (AP, April 5 2002). The whistleblowing FBI agent Robert Wright told ABC News (December 19 2002) that FBI headquarters wanted no arrests. And in November 2001 the US airforce complained it had had al-Qaida and Taliban leaders in its sights as many as 10 times over the previous six weeks, but had been unable to attack because they did not receive permission quickly enough (Time Magazine, May 13 2002). None of this compatible with the idea of a real, determined war on terrorism.

"Revealing the Lies" on 9/11 Perpetuates the "Big Lie"

University of Ottawa professor Michel Chossudovsky: The unfolding consensus is:"They knew but failed to act".This line of reasoning is appealing to many 9/11 critics and "Bush bashers" because it clearly places the blame on the Bush administration.

Yet in a bitter irony, the very process of revealing these lies and expressing public outrage has contributed to reinforcing the 9/11 cover-up.

"Revealing the lies" serves to present Al Qaeda as the genuine threat, as an "outside enemy", which threatens the security of America, when in fact Al Qaeda is a creation of the US intelligence apparatus.

This central proposition that Islamic terrorists were responsible for 9/11 serves to justify everything else including the Patriot Act, the wars on Afghanistan and Iraq, the spiraling defense and homeland security budgets, the detention of thousands of people of Muslim faith on trumped up charges, the arrest and deportation to Guantanamo of alleged "enemy combatants", etc.

Again who benefits?

We must speak the truth about terror. Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September 11, malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists themselves, away from the guilty."-- A desperate George W. Bush speaking before the UN General Assembly November 10, 2001

Those who most loudly disparage "conspiracy theory" are most often the ones with the least knowledge of the actual evidence.

Radio Free America interviews Canadian physicist Michael Elliot.

There has never been an independent inquiry in the events of 9/11. Despite two years of repeated attempts by the families of the victims of 9/11, there has never been an independent investigation of What Really Happened that day. Is there an Ongoing Coverup?

Both President Bush and Vice-President Cheney took extraordinary steps to limit any investigation into the events of 9/11.

The NTSB never held inquiries into any of the 4 plane crashes, as required by law, and the FBI is withholding the data from the airliner's flight recorders.

All of the steel from the Twin Towers was shipped out of the country before any investigation was held.

The media says that bin Laden carried out the 9/11 massacre from the caves of Afghanistan, yet after a supposedly "thorough" investigation, the FBI says they have not uncovered a single piece of paper that mentioned any aspect of the Sept. 11 plot.

No evidence whatsoever has been offered that the attack was by bin Laden. Some are starting to ask: OsamaBinAsset?

7 of the supposed "hijackers" turned out to be alive and not even in the US on 9/11.

3 of the "hijackers" listed a US Navy base as their address on their drivers licences.

The Twin Towers didn't collapse, they exploded outwards; parts of the buildings were ejected as far as 70 m. before they began to fall, and the buildings' concrete was reduced to fine dust.

They fell at "free fall" speed. The speed of gravity with NO resistance from the concrete and steel from the floors below.

What really brought down the Twin Towers?

No steel structured skyscraper in history has collapsed due to fire.

The steel support columns in the sub-basement of the Twin Towers were melted, and five weeks later, were still pools of molten steel.

They say an airliner crashed into the Pentagon, but if so, why isn't there the debris of an airliner crash at the scene of the Pentagon Attack?

There's no airliner debris at the Pentagon, and the deep and focused damage to the building could not be from an airliner crash.

The FBI is withholding 2 videos that may show what really hit the Pentagon, and the photos from the DoD Pentagon security camera have been falsified.

The FBI and the NTSB are withholding everything:

Sources close to the investigation say the FBI is obstructing the NTSB review of the black box data.

The only known videos that captured what hit in the Pentagon Attack (from the hotel and the gas station) have been seized and withheld by the FBI.

(The most sensitive and the highest survielled military base on the planet.)

The US Air Force is classifying everything:

The military radar tracking of the Flights is classified.

Details of the Air National Guard response and Air Force Stand down is classified.

There has been no official inquiry into the Insider Trading:

There was Prior Knowledge as someone was shorting options (Insider Trading) on American Airlines and United Airlines stock.

"Americans are being scammed." former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland

911 Tapes Tell Horror Of 9/11

* Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've just had another explosion.
* Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've had additional explosion.
* Dispatcher: Received battalion command. Additional explosion.
* [...]
* Dispatcher: Battalion 5, be advised we're trying to contact Battalion 3 at this moment to report north tower just collapsed.

Transcript of the Firefighters' Radio Log, 9/11/01

This is an extract from a fireman's transcription of the New York Times 9/11 firefighters' audio tape: 0959 Hours

* DISPATCHER: Manhattan to Field Comm., K. Manhattan to Field Comm.
* MARINE 6: Marine 6 to Manhattan.
* DISPATCHER: Standby. Manhattan to Field Comm. (tone alert) Manhattan to Field Comm.
* MARINE 6: Marine 6 to Manhattan, urgent.
* DISPATCHER: Marine 6.
* MARINE 6: Tower 2 has had a major explosion and what appears to be a complete collapse surrounding the entire area.
* DISPATCHER: Marine 6 10-4, we were notified.

__________________________________________________ __
Louie Cacchioli, 51, is a firefighter assigned to Engine 47 in Harlem.

We were the first ones in the second tower after the plane struck. I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a bomb went off. We think there was bombs set in the building.

Van Romero, an explosives expert and former director of the Energetic Materials Research and Testing Center at New Mexico Tech, said on Sept. 11, "My opinion is, based on the videotapes, that after the airplanes hit the World Trade Center there were some explosive devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse."

The collapse of the structures resembled the controlled implosions used to demolish old structures and was "too methodical to be a chance result of airplanes colliding with the structures," Romero told The Albuquerque Journal hours after the attack.
In an interview with broadcaster and author Alex Jones, Andreas von Bulow (former Minister of Technology in the German government which had supervision of the BND - German Intelligence) comments: "And, the firemen of New York, they were able to come to the floor where the fires were burning, and they said, the fire commander said he needed two teams, small, to fight these fires and then it’s finished. So the heat, it is impossible that the heat was as high as it has been written in the papers and in all the media."

Alex Jones, "And then, and then the feds declared that all firefighter tapes malfunctioned, turns out that wasn’t true; we’ve got copies of them. And it did say that the firefighters said the fires were out or almost out.

Pre-9/11 World Trade Center Power-Down

Did the World Trade Center towers undergo a deliberate “power-down” on the weekend prior to the 9-11 terrorist attacks? According to Scott Forbes, a senior database administrator for Fiduciary Trust, Inc. – a high-net investment bank which was later acquired by Franklin Templeton – this is precisely what took place.

In addition, Forbes says there were other peculiarities revolving around this unreported event, including:

1) Fiduciary employees trapped between the 90-97th floors of the South Tower told family members (via cell-phone calls) that they were hearing “bomb-like explosions” throughout the towers.

2) Video cameras positioned atop the World Trade Center which were used to feed daily images to local television stations were inexplicably inoperative that morning.

3) A Fiduciary employee who was on one of the lower floors and escaped immediately after the first (North) tower was struck, reported that he was amazed by the large number of FBI agents that were already on the streets surrounding the WTC complex only minutes after the initial strike.

German court acquits suspected terrorist

Paul Joseph Watson comments: All these 9/11 trials are collapsing because there's no evidence to suggest the 19 named (and at least 7 still alive) hijackers were behind the attack. There is no circumstantial link between those phantom hijackers and the suspects on trial.

Operation Northwoods Revisited: Manufacturing an Enemy

It would be useful to review Operation Northwoods under which in 1962, the US Joint Chiefs of Staff put forth a proposal to secure American public support for a war on Cuba - "desirable to use legitimate provocation as the basis for military intervention."

Option 3 A.a: We could blow up a US ship in Guantanama Bay and blame Cuba.

Option 8: It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner enroute to the United States...

a: An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to the CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone.

b: Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will being transmitting on the international distress frequency a "MAY DAY" message stating he is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow ICAO radio station in the Western Hemisphere to tell the US what has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to "sell" the incident.

Option 9 b: On one such flight, a pre-briefed pilot would fly tail-end Charley at considerable interval between aircraft. While near the Cuban Island this pilot would broadcast that he had been jumped by MIGs and was going down. No other calls would be made. The pilot would then fly directly west at extremely low altitude and land at a secure base, an Eglin auxiliary. The aircraft would be met by the proper people, quickly stored and given a new tail number. The pilot who had performed the mission under an alias, would resume this proper identity and return to his normal place of business. The pilot and aircraft would then have disappeared.

US staged 9/11 attacks, German lawyer says

A former senior German cabinet minister is drawing huge crowds and stoking the fires of popular anti-Americanism with a book arguing that the US government mounted the September 11 attacks in a plot to win global domination.

Andreas von Bulow has gone further than Michael Meacher, Tony Blair's former environment minister, who was widely criticised for claiming that America knowingly failed to prevent the attacks.

The controversial book Mr von Bulow, 66, a former research minister in the German government, believes that September 11, when more than 3,000 people died, was staged to justify the subsequent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

"If what I say is right, the whole US government should end up behind bars," Mr von Bulow told The Daily Telegraph at his home in Bonn. "They have hidden behind a veil of secrecy and destroyed the evidence - that they invented the story of 19 Muslims working within Osama bin Laden's al-Qa'eda - in order to hide the truth of their own covert operation.

"What I saw on September 11 was a perfectly executed act that could have happened only with the support of intelligence services, and whoever controlled it must have known could only bring harm to the Muslim world," he said.

'nuff said, it goes on and on... remember, the US desperately, NEEDS Al-qaeda and promotes them whenever possible.

Remember the good 'ol days when the Soviets were the bad guys - the source of all evil. The game is the same, only the names have changed.
What can I say Vista. Excellent. Very good references and logical explanation. I hope I did not create a monster with this thread as I always try to do.

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