Systemic abuse of children


Hoid
#1
Via sport.

IN perhaps that least surprising story of the year a new study says at least 200 coaches have been convicted of sexual abuse in Canada. 600 children have been abused over the last 20 years.

The thing I have the most trouble with is the reaction. We knew this was going on. We understood that hockey in particular had a lot of problems in this regard, having been exposed many years ago by Sheldon Kennedy and later Theo Flurrey.

The fact is that we have decided long ago that this is a problem we are willing to live with. Unfortunately for children sport is both a baby sitting service and place where parents can inflict their own dreams on their kids.

Of course sex predators are going to flock to any activity or place the attracts kids.

If its a place where kids are generally dumped and left for long periods of time - what could be better?

This abuse is occurring at the very core of amateur sport in every country in every sport.
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MHz
#2
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

If its a place where kids are generally dumped and left for long periods of time - what could be better?

This abuse is occurring at the very core of amateur sport in every country in every sport.

Abortion via 'hindsight' would solve a lot of problem. If/when a time machine is invented it will be somebody going back to 'off' one of his parents.
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White_Unifier
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Via sport.
IN perhaps that least surprising story of the year a new study says at least 200 coaches have been convicted of sexual abuse in Canada. 600 children have been abused over the last 20 years.
The thing I have the most trouble with is the reaction. We knew this was going on. We understood that hockey in particular had a lot of problems in this regard, having been exposed many years ago by Sheldon Kennedy and later Theo Flurrey.
The fact is that we have decided long ago that this is a problem we are willing to live with. Unfortunately for children sport is both a baby sitting service and place where parents can inflict their own dreams on their kids.
Of course sex predators are going to flock to any activity or place the attracts kids.
If its a place where kids are generally dumped and left for long periods of time - what could be better?
This abuse is occurring at the very core of amateur sport in every country in every sport.

So what do you propose as a solution?
 
B00Mer
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Abortion via 'hindsight' would solve a lot of problem.

...at least in your case.
 
Curious Cdn
#5
Government Slaves

Boy, there's a wonky source of "news".

http://mediabiasfactcheck.com/government-slaves/
 
petros
+1
#6  Top Rated Post
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Via sport.
IN perhaps that least surprising story of the year a new study says at least 200 coaches have been convicted of sexual abuse in Canada. 600 children have been abused over the last 20 years.
The thing I have the most trouble with is the reaction. We knew this was going on. We understood that hockey in particular had a lot of problems in this regard, having been exposed many years ago by Sheldon Kennedy and later Theo Flurrey.
The fact is that we have decided long ago that this is a problem we are willing to live with. Unfortunately for children sport is both a baby sitting service and place where parents can inflict their own dreams on their kids.
Of course sex predators are going to flock to any activity or place the attracts kids.
If its a place where kids are generally dumped and left for long periods of time - what could be better?
This abuse is occurring at the very core of amateur sport in every country in every sport.

As it stands it takes a criminal record check and several references to coach a team or volunteer with kids.

What would you do to up the walls? Lie detector tests? Blood tests? A week in Botswana?
 
taxslave
+1
#7
Good question.
 
Curious Cdn
+1
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

As it stands it takes a criminal record check and several references to coach a team or volunteer with kids.
What would you do to up the walls? Lie detector tests? Blood tests? A week in Botswana?

I know from experience as a Scouter and an incident in our wider community that the criminal background check did not catch a child pornographer who wheedled his way into leading a Cub pack. He was caught and removed before any harm was done but it wasn't any of the vetting process that caught him. He was snagged in a police-led internet sting.

Fact is, these people specifically target Scouts, youth sports, probably Sunday Schools and the like. They are resourceful predators who will do whatever to circumvent our defences.

I don't have an answer short of the summary execution of paedophiles.
 
MHz
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

...at least in your case.

If that is your only hope you are pretty fuked aren't you, . . . tard?
 
MHz
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

I don't have an answer short of the summary execution of paedophiles.

Two adults when a single child is 'alone with them', preferably a married couple.
A new career in whatever camps have 'adults only'.
 
Hoid
#11
the heart of this story is the testimony of someone who suffered years of abuse as a young man and had it ruin his entire life.

he had to ask the judge to lift the publication ban so that he could talk about it in public.

his predator had been convicted and sentenced to 4 years and served just under a year.
 
Curious Cdn
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Two adults when a single child is 'alone with them', preferably a married couple.
A new career in whatever camps have 'adults only'.

Hunh?
 
Hoid
#13
half of abuse cases occur in the home.

lets not kid ourselves about that,
 
petros
+1
#14
Are you guessing?
 
Curious Cdn
+1
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

half of abuse cases occur in the home.
lets not kid ourselves about that,

It's impossible to monitor that. We can monitor hockey coaches, though. It takes involved parents that are more concerned about the state of their children than in the quality of their game, though.
 
MHz
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

half of abuse cases occur in the home.

lets not kid ourselves about that,

When you consider the kids spend 90% of their time there there that is not surprising. That sort of abuse would also have the best chance of being turned around. Strangers are around kids less but more abuse takes place so that would point to to them being worse than natural parents despite your convoluted assessment of the situation.


What is your ratio and what are the recovery stats for parents and strangers?? So far your standard answer is no answer or opinion at all?? How the hell does that quality make you part of the 'master race'??
 
MHz
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Hunh?

It's for the adults, you run along now.
 
petros
+1
#18
RoboCoach. Problem solved and the kids can be alone to abuse each other.
 
MHz
#19
It's for the adults, you run along now.
 
White_Unifier
#20
I honestly don't see what we can do to prevent the sexual or other abuse of children beyond what we are doing now.

For that reason, we should shift our focus on helping the victims. Since we usually won't know who's a victim due to all kinds of motives to keep it a deeply hidden secret, we may need policies that just help the general public.

One common result of childhood abuse is addiction, whether to alcohol, drugs, gambling, pornography (often violent), prostitution or other compulsive sexual behaviours, and other compulsive behaviours.

With the above in mind, I can see a few policies aimed at helping adult victims of childhood abuse. Firstly, I think David Cameron was onto something with the proposal in the UK to make online access to violent pornography opt-in only. I'd personally extend it to all online pornography and gambling too, and require the person opting in to show ID as proof of age.

Adopt a gambling policy similar to Singapore's. Require all who enter a casino or who want to register onto a gambling website to scan an ID card and their fingreprints at the casino or at the online gambling company's local office. Extend this to loteries too, and disallow access to anyone who has self-excluded himself.

I prefer that prostitution remain a criminal offence; but if we must legalize it, then regulate it similarly to casinos through a self-exclusion policy. Maybe extend it even to non-prostitutional hook-up sites (i.e. those that don't involve an exchange of money) also requiring a person to ID themselves with card and fingerprints like at a casino and having the ability to self-exclude themselves. Maybe extend it even to the purchase of alcohol, marijuana, and tobacco too.

It could be a line-item self-exclusion form allowing a person to decide what he wants to self-exclude himself from precisely, with the details programmed into the ID card so as to give him access to what he wants to be able to access easily but not the rest.

Such a line-item self-exclusion could even allow a person to impose fines on himself for specific violations (such as a heavy fine for circumventing a casino's ID and fingrprint scanners for example).

Any person who applies to sign a self-exclusion declaration should also be informed of where they can turn for help, whether inexpensive 12-step groups for different addictions or more expensive professional help. Beyond that though, the officer handing out the form should not question the person as to their reason. Maybe the person acknowledges an addiction or other compulsive behaviour but isn't prepared to discuss their past in any way.

As for access to ID, the government could always make passports free of charge but allow a person to add a facial and fingerprint scan to their passport information to allow affected businesses to scan the passport for the purpose of enforcing self-exclusion.

At the end of the day, the focus should be less on punishing the criminals (though that's important too) and more on helping the victims.
 
MHz
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

I honestly don't see what we can do to prevent the sexual or other abuse of children beyond what we are doing now.

For that reason, we should shift our focus on helping the victims. Since we usually won't know who's a victim due to all kinds of motives to keep it a deeply hidden secret, we may need policies that just help the general public.

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Maybe prosecuting more than one pedo a year would be a good start considering it is a global industry.
https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201...x-abuse-probe/
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On 6 February, the Department of Justice (DOJ) opened a probe into the handling of the Epstein child molesting case by Labour Secretary Alex Acosta — then the US attorney for Southern Florida — and other DOJ attorneys in 2008.
 
White_Unifier
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Maybe prosecuting more than one pedo a year would be a good start considering it is a global industry.
https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201...x-abuse-probe/
Sweetheart Deals, Honey Traps: Analyst on Epstein Sex Scandal, Mueller, Clintons
The Jeffrey Epstein 2008 sex scandal that cast shadows on many prominent world figures has resurfaced again, raising questions about how the billionaire managed to get away with so many sex abuse cases. Speaking to Sputnik, Wall Street analyst Charles Ortel shared his views on ex-FBI chief Robert Mueller and the Clintons' role in the Epstein saga.
On 6 February, the Department of Justice (DOJ) opened a probe into the handling of the Epstein child molesting case by Labour Secretary Alex Acosta — then the US attorney for Southern Florida — and other DOJ attorneys in 2008.

You got to prove it beyond reasonable doubt first, and a victim has many reasons to keep it a deeply held secret.
 
MHz
#23
That is made as hard as possible to protect the guilty. Even without that where is the support that erases the effects?

More often than not does the victim not end up at the pharmacy every month?? No justice and no quick and full recovery as it stands. Now let it sink in that it is designed to be that way and a lot of time and energy go into making thing just the way they are rather than despite hell and high water some people just will not let themselves 'be helped' into becoming extinct.
 
White_Unifier
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

That is made as hard as possible to protect the guilty. Even without that where is the support that erases the effects?
More often than not does the victim not end up at the pharmacy every month?? No justice and no quick and full recovery as it stands. Now let it sink in that it is designed to be that way and a lot of time and energy go into making thing just the way they are rather than despite hell and high water some people just will not let themselves 'be helped' into becoming extinct.

It's not designed to be that way. The child can fear that his father will blame him or he may fear hurting his mother by telling her, etc. etc. etc.

And I still believe in the presumption of innocence.
 
White_Unifier
#25
Think of is this way. You love your mother and you don't want to hurt her by telling her what your babysitter did to you. Even as an adult, it can be difficult, let alone as a child.
 
White_Unifier
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

That is made as hard as possible to protect the guilty. Even without that where is the support that erases the effects?

I'm not sure one can 'erace' the effects. All he can really do is to address the symptoms. That's where better support for addicts of different kinds comes in. And however much we might sympathize with adult victims of child abuse, sometimes tough love is precisely what they need, and that's where some kind of self-exclusioni policy similar to Singapore's can come in.
 
MHz
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

It's not designed to be that way. The child can fear that his father will blame him or he may fear hurting his mother by telling her, etc. etc. etc.

And I still believe in the presumption of innocence.

Maybe you don't see any of the harm done.


It is an industry and I would also bet the effects that longer when no treatment is applies is also a known fact and it makes that person a lot more docile most of the time. If any of this is new then have you done your homework because it sounds like you might be taking the wring side.

Even without a criminal conviction why is the full recover all but impossible to achieve if the fact of it even happening is put to impossible standards to prove.

Put a device on his prick during the interview. If he gets an erection he is guilty until proven innocent.
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https://www.aswllp.com/Sexual-Molest...al-Abuse.shtml
Much has been written about the long term effects of childhood sexual abuse. The most obvious effect is psychological harm which includes, but is not limited to, depression, post traumatic stress disorder, behavioral problems, including sexualized behavior, poor self-esteem, academic problems and suicide. Victims of childhood sexual abuse can expect to incur higher future health care costs due to these effects, and it is not uncommon for victims to "victimize" others or become sexually promiscuous at an early age. Prostitutes and pedophiles often explain that their first sexual experience was being molested as a child.
The long term effects of childhood sexual abuse can be serious and that is why victims need psychological evaluation, care and treatment. Victims need time to deal with what has happened to them. Long term psychiatric and psychological care is expensive and often is not covered by insurance. When it is covered, the treatment periods are usually limited. Provision has to be made for likely future treatment around foreseeable stressful periods in a person's adult life, including dating, marriage and having a family. Prior episodes of childhood sexual abuse can be replayed in a victim's mind at these stressful times.
Counseling and therapy are the best ways to mitigate the long term effects of sexual abuse. Unfortunately, health insurance generally limits the amount of therapy it will cover and the victims must bear the costs of extensive treatment. Because many victims cannot afford to pay the high costs of the necessary therapy and simply do not receive all the treatment they need, the long term effects of sexual abuse are more pronounced.
Serious long term consequences of child abuse also include the following:

-One third of abused children will eventually victimize their own children
-80% of abused children meet the diagnostic criteria for at least one psychiatric disorder at age 21 (including but not limited to anxiety, depression, post-traumatic stress disorder and eating disorders).
-Abused children are 25% more likely to experience teen pregnancy.
-Abused teens are three times less likely to practice safe sex.
-14.4% of all men imprisoned in the United States were abused as children.
-36.7% of all women in prison were abused as children.
-Children who have been sexually abused are 2.5 times more likely to develop alcohol abuse.
-Children who have been sexually abused are 3.8 times more likely to develop drug addictions.
[See, Administration for Children & Families of the US Department of Health and Human Services, "Child Maltreatment Report, 2003; National Institute on Drug Abuse 2000 Report.]
It is important to recover the costs of the necessary treatment from the perpetrator or the organization that enabled the perpetrator to have access to the vulnerable victims to ensure that the resources are available to the victim to cope over time with the devastating effects of sexual abuse. To recover these costs, it is important to act quickly to preserve the evidence needed to prove a sexual abuse case. Witnesses, documents and scientific evidence (e.g., DNA) tend to disappear relatively fast in these cases.

Table 1.

Studies reporting on mental health disorders and suicidality

Authors Sample/type of study Findings Gender differences Australia



Cutajar et al. (2010b) Data linkage for cohort of 2,759 victims of child sexual abuse in forensic medical records 1964-1995 with coronial records up to 44 years later. Significantly higher rate of suicide or accidental fatal overdose among child sexual abuse victims than in general population. Female sexual abuse victims had 40 times higher risk of suicide, 88 times higher for fatal overdose; for males, 14 times and 38 times respectively.



Martin, Bergin, Richardson, Roeger, & Allison (2004) Cross-sectional community survey with 2,485 adolescents at 27 SA schools. Strong association between sexual abuse and suicidal ideation and behaviour (plans, threats and attempts), especially for boys:
  • 10-fold increased risk for suicidal plans and threats compared with non-abused peers;
  • 15-fold increase for attempted suicide; and
  • 3-fold increase for girls that was mediated by distress, hopelessness and family functioning.
Prevalence of self-reported child sexual abuse (undefined) was 5% for girls and 2% for boys; stronger association between sexual abuse and suicidality among males.



Nelson et al. (2002) Co-twin: Examined 1,991 same-sex pairs of twins (1,159 female and 832 male pairs). The twin reporting child sexual abuse had significantly greater risk for all 8 adverse outcomes (major depression, suicide attempt, conduct disorder, alcohol dependence, nicotine dependence, social anxiety, rape after the age of 18 years, and divorce) than their non-abused twin.
Increased risks associated with child sexual abuse involving intercourse.
Prevalence of child sexual assault of 17% for women and 5% for men; significantly increased risk for suicide among both women and men, after taking account of family background. Plunkett et al. (2001) Prospective 9-year follow-up of 183 male and female sexually abused children. The observed suicide rate in sexually abused children was 10.7-13.0 times that of the Australian national rate. 24% females and 9% of males had attempted suicide by 9-year follow-up. New Zealand


Fergusson et al. (1996)
Fergusson, Beautrais & Horwood (2003)
Fergusson et al. (200
Prospective longitudinal cohort study of 1,265 children born in 4-month period in mid 1977, followed regularly to age 25 years in this New Zealand study (Christchurch Health and Development Study). 25 year-olds who experienced attempted or completed sexual penetration as children had rates of mental health disorder (including suicide ideation and attempts, depression and anxiety, substance dependence) that were 2.4 times higher than those not exposed to child sexual abuse; this effect remained significant after taking into account various measures of family functioning and socio-economic status. No gender difference found. Martin, Anderson, Romans, & Herbison (1993) Random, stratified community sample of 1,376 adult women. Significant associations found between child sexual abuse and higher levels of psychopathology, with higher rates of substance abuse and suicidal behaviour, after controlling for family dysfunction; more severe the abuse, the higher the level of psychopathology. Female sample only.



Scott et al. (2010) Retrospective nationally representative cohort study of 2,144 16-27 year-olds from a mental health survey; 221 were identified as having records on a national child protection agency database. After adjusting for demographic and socio-economic correlates, child protection agency history was associated with several individual mental disorders, mental disorder co-morbidity, and all mental disorder groups, both 12-month and lifetime. Adjusted for sex, as well as age, ethnicity, maternal education, respondent education, and current household income.


USA Briere & Elliott (2003) Random: Geographically stratified, general population sample of 1,442 adults. Child sexual abuse was associated with a range of trauma symptoms including depression, anxiety, anger, intrusive experiences and sexual concerns after controlling for age, sex, race and income and history of physical abuse. 14% of males and 32% of females reported child sexual abuse.



Brown et al. (1999) Prospective: A cohort of 776 randomly selected children, followed for 17 years. Compared with physical abuse and neglect, child sexual abuse was found to carry the greatest risk for depression and suicide, independent of demographic, parent and child characteristics. Gender and age were taken into account in the analyses but no differences were reported. Kendler et al. (2000) Twin study in which one twin had been sexually abused, drawn from a sample of 1,411 adult female twins. The twin reporting child sexual abuse was consistently at higher risk for lifetime psychiatric and substance use disorders compared with their non-abused co-twin; as severity of the abuse increased, so did the odds ratios. Female sample only.

Molnar, Berkman et al. (2001) Nationally representative sample of 5,877 Americans aged 15 to 54 years. Among those sexually abused as children, odds of suicide attempts were 2-4 times higher among women and 4-11 times higher among men, compared with those not abused, after controlling for other adversities. Higher odds suicide for males than females. Trickett, Noll, & Putnam (2011) 84 females (6-16 years old) with Child-Protection-Service-substantiated sexual abuse, including genital contact and/or penetration by a family member and a demographically similar comparison group ( n = 82); children and older caregivers for key participants included. Sexually abused women at follow-up aged 25 more likely to engage in self-mutilation, risky sexual activity, abuse drugs and alcohol, experience more lifetime traumas, PTSD, fail to complete high school, and qualify for at least one DSM diagnosis.
Potent "sleeper effects" emerge over longer developmental time spans than previously documented, including increasing obesity and high rates of intimate partner abuse in early adulthood.
Female sample only. Various - meta-analyses
Neuman, Houskamp, pollock, & Briere (1996) Meta-analysis of 38 studies involving adult women. Significant associations between sexual abuse and a number of measures of psychological adjustment - anxiety, anger, depression, suicidality, self-mutilation, sexual problems, substance abuse, impairment of self-concept, interpersonal problems, obsessions and compulsions, dissociation, post-traumatic stress responses, and somatisation as well as re-victimisation. Females examined only.

Paolucci, Genuis, & Violato (2001) Meta-analysis of 37 studies published between 1981 and 1995 involving 25,367 people. Strong effect sizes before and after taking account of various factors, with average unweighted and weighted d's for each of the outcome variables: for PTSD .50 and .40; for depression .63 and .44; for suicide .64 and .44; for sexual promiscuity .59 and .29; for victim-perpetrator cycle .41 and .16; and for academic performance .24 and .19. Factors taken into account included gender, socioeconomic status, type of abuse, age when abused, relationship to perpetrator, and number of abuse incidents.
 
White_Unifier
#28
I've felt the harm done throughout most of my childhood my adult life, but I won't get into the details here about the emotional scarring that childhood sexual abuse causes. What I will say though is that sometimes we do need tough love to help us through, not a heartless kind of tough love, but just a rational and compassionate one.
 
Hoid
#29
the difficulty in talking about abuse is one of the main things that makes it so easy to do

we have always steadfastly refused to discuss it - even codifying it in publication bans
 
Hoid
#30
but the systemic part i am referring to is that abuse does not occur in a vacuum.

witness the church. there is enabling both tacitly by people wanting to protect the institution and actively by other people in the institution doing the same thing.

so, to some degree, amateur sports organizations are sanctuaries for abusers