Who paid for such stupidity? Little Ice Age caused by death of 55-million Indigenous

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The elimination of nearly 55 million, or 90 per cent, of Indigenous people in the Americas during European colonization led to global climate change and the “Little Ice Age” of the 17th century, a recent study finds.

Researchers at University College London found that the Great Dying — the massive loss of life that followed Christopher Columbus’ 1492 conquest of the Americas through genocide and the spread of disease — left roughly 56-million hectares of land abandoned.

The study will be published in the March edition of Quaternary Science Reviews but is already available online.

“This population practised a substantial amount of agriculture,” researcher Alexander Koch told Global News

The mass vacancy resulted in a sudden “terrestrial carbon uptake” when the land was reclaimed by nature.



Colonization of the Americas at the end of the 15th century killed so many people, it disturbed Earth’s climate, according to a new study by University College London.

According to the study, a spike in plant life was responsible for up to 67 per cent of a significant drop in carbon dioxide levels between 1520 and 1610. Carbon had been transferred from the atmosphere to the land surface through photosynthesis.

Previously cored Antarctic ice samples were investigated. Researchers observed that 7.4 petagrams — or 7-billion metric tonnes — of carbon had suddenly disappeared at that point in time.

Carbon absorption was greater in wet, tropical environments but still occurred in the drier, coniferous and deciduous forests of the U.S. and Canada.

The Little Ice Age was a time period that saw winters in North America and Europe average approximately two degrees colder than the current era. Its coldest period is largely agreed by scientists to be between 1600 and 1800.

A difference of two degrees may not seem like much but, in fact, does make quite a difference to daily life.

“A 1-2 degree Celsius temperature drop would have a significant effect on winter weather around North America,” said Anthony Farnell, chief meteorologist at Global News. “Snow would arrive earlier in the fall and stick around longer in the spring. Borderline storms that now fall as rain or freezing rain would be more likely snow if it was just a couple degrees colder.”

Farnell went on to explain how an increase in snow compounded the situation in the 1600s.

“When there is more snow on the ground, the albedo of the earth’s surface increases which means more of the sun’s warming rays are reflected back into space. This then leads to even colder temperatures and more snow which is how a series of cold winters can snowball into a ‘little ice age.'”

The nearly 200-year cold stretch began to decline soon after the first Industrial Revolution began in the United Kingdom in 1760.

Global News questioned Koch over his team’s data — particularly the population figures. He explained they used a vast amount of data, previous studies and sources to draw their conclusion.

“[The numbers are] based on archaeological evidence, historical documentation and something like house counts,” Koch explained. “For later periods, we didn’t need to do that. We looked into taxation records and census data that was established by the colonizers.”

Those records became more and more robust over time, according to Koch.

Dr. Pamela Palmater is an outspoken Mi’kmaw citizen and faculty member at Ryerson University. She told Global News the population figures aren’t just important — they could change how Canada’s Truth and Reconciliation Commission moves forward.

The well-known activist added that she hopes the new scientific data will quiet some of the skeptics.

“One of the biggest struggles in our resistance, in our advocacy and even trying to get someone to talk about reconciliation is denial,” Palmater said. “It’s always a denial from the colonial, or settler, governments about what they did, limiting the harms and denying what the true extent and impact is.”

That impact, according to the study, may have been greater than previously thought.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4924534/...ion-indigenous-people-colonization-study/amp/
 

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I would believe that cutting down the great hardwood forest that covered Eastern North America in a few generations could have affected the climate.

It is a massive stretch of the imagination that it is even remotely possible to have a Neolithic population that ever reached 55 million. Don't buy it for a millisecond.

20 million,I would believe at the very top end of the estimate.

Somebody's guestimate is propaganda.
 

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I would believe that cutting down the great hardwood forest that covered Eastern North America in a few generations could have affected the climate.

It is a massive stretch of the imagination that it is even remotely possible to have a Neolithic population that ever reached 55 million. Don't buy it for a millisecond.

20 million,I would believe at the very top end of the estimate.

Somebody's guestimate is propaganda.
Read 1491 Pre-Columbus America. Archaeologists estimate, based on the latest findings, that the population of the Americas was between 90 - 110 million. The Americas were far more populated and had advanced civilizations long before Europe. Europeans were diseased ridden, backwards people when they invaded this continent.
 

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Read 1491 Pre-Columbus America. Archaeologists estimate, based on the latest findings, that the population of the Americas was between 90 - 110 million. The Americas were far more populated and had advanced civilizations long before Europe. Europeans were diseased ridden, backwards people when they invaded this continent.
Sorry. Me no believe that slash-and-burn agriculture and hunting-gathering was sustaining 150 % of the population of a Europe that had been farming for 6000 years.
It's someone's propaganda.
 

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Read 1491 Pre-Columbus America. Archaeologists estimate, based on the latest findings, that the population of the Americas was between 90 - 110 million. The Americas were far more populated and had advanced civilizations long before Europe. Europeans were diseased ridden, backwards people when they invaded this continent.
Where were they living? Small villages? Cities? Wandering?
 

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90-110 million people with each person needing 4-5 acres of heavily worked agricultural and range land combined. 859,375sq miles of arable land with good water, shelter and infrastructure for trade.

That many people would have been organised and there would have been no way in Hell colonization would have been so easy.
 

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90-110 million people with each person needing 4-5 acres of heavily worked agricultural and range land combined. 859,375sq miles of arable land with good water, shelter and infrastructure for trade.
That many people would have been organised and there would have been no way in Hell colonization would have been so easy.
Yes unless disease killed them off in a few generations and there was little to no organisational capacity left just hunting & gathering.

There's archaeological evidence found lately here in British Columbia that the well known Fraser Canyon-a place you've driven through-supported many times more people than the few Europeans encountered when they arrived.

The book 1492 is controversial but worth a read just for the descriptions of disease ripping through tribal societies and essentially dooming them.

You can argue numbers all day long I see the usual suspect here has pulled some number out of his bunghole as is his habit but the fact remains millions died and the land changed forever.
 

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Sorry. Me no believe that slash-and-burn agriculture and hunting-gathering was sustaining 150 % of the population of a Europe that had been farming for 6000 years.
It's someone's propaganda.
Well, you racist nazi propaganda POOP machine, here you go:

They HAVE the longest running democracy on the planet NOW - the US constitution is ADMITTEDLY based on it.
https://www.nytimes.com/1987/06/28/...&gwh=9702FA061EF82E3669CA0698A94AD217&gwt=pay

The Six Nations:
Oldest Living Participatory Democracy on Earth
https://ratical.org/many_worlds/6Nations/

The largest pyramid on the planet
The World’s Largest Pyramid Is Hidden Under a Mountain in Mexico


(note the little nazicommiefacistfakenews church the globalists put on top to claim the mojo).

Known as Tlachihualtepetl (meaning "man-made mountain"), the origins of the pyramid are a little sketchy, though the general consensus is that it was built in around 300 BC by many different communities to honour the ancient god Quetzalcoatl.

This incremental growth is what allowed the Great Pyramid of Cholula to get so big. With a base of 450 by 450 metres (1,480 by 1,480 feet), it's four times the size of the Great Pyramid of Giza.

In fact, at roughly 66 metres (217 feet) tall, the pyramid’s total volume is about 4.45 million cubic metres (157 million cubic feet), while the Great Pyramid of Giza’s volume is just 2.5 million cubic metres (88.2 million cubic feet).
https://www.sciencealert.com/the-world-s-largest-pyramid-is-hidden-under-a-mountain-in-mexico

Not to mention they have about 50,000 years ( In america) of not destroying the planet while you white naziecommiefascists have put the whole planet on the edge of extinction in about 400 years.

Damn I hate CONCEITED racist a$$wipes like you. People like you are proof there may be no such thing as white "civilization".

Further:
List of inventions and innovations of indigenous Americans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_inventions_and_innovations_of_indigenous_Americans

some notable items on the list:

Anesthetics – indigenous peoples used coca, peyote, datura and other plants for partial or total loss of sensation or conscious during surgery. Western doctors had effective anesthetics only after the mid-19th century. Before this, they either had to perform surgery while the patient felt pain or knock the patient out.

Art to be viewed from space – the Nazca Lines were created by the ancient Nazca culture in modern-day Peru. The Nazca built these artworks, which could only be viewed from the sky or from space. It was as if the Nazca were building monuments, which only their gods could view from up in the sky. Some of these artworks, otherwise known as the Nazca Lines, could only be viewed from the sky and each one of these works of Nazca art spans several miles across in size and dimension in the Sechura Desert.

Balls
(You have been told what they are, haven't you?
;)
You dandie leftii flakenews sexual pronoun you.)

Bulletproof vest – Ichcahuipilli, was a military armor used by various Mesoamerican cultures. It consisted of a layered cotton shirt at least 2 inches thick, hardened with brine and other substances. It was originally intended to protect the wearer against projectiles and other weaponry, such as spears, arrows, and obsidian swords, but later was discovered to be capable of stopping musket shots

Calendars – calendars were developed by indigenous Americans throughout North America, Mesoamerica, and South America. They are known to have been in used since 600 BCE. Some calendars were so precise, that by the 5th century BCE, they were only 19 minutes off.

Canals – the Aztecs built great canals used for transporting food, cargo, and relaying people to the chinampas (floating gardens used for growing food) in their great metropolis of Tenochtitlan.

Corn (maize) – the domestication of maize, now cultivated throughout the world, is one of the most influential technological contributions of Mesoamericans.
(you have brought the "hole" I see, mizster unspecified racist pronoun.).

Right through to...

Vulcanization – the Olmec people of Veracruz, Mexico treated the sap from rubber trees with chemicals and shaped the resulting rubber into a myriad of products such as balls, sandals, balloons, rubber syringes, etc. centuries before Charles Goodyear re-invented the process during the 19th century.

Zero – the Olmec independently invented the concept of zero. The second earliest found instance of the use of zero—in Mesoamerica—has been dated to 32 B.C. by the Epi-Olmec culture. This date has been arrived at based off the Long Count date on Stela C at Tres Zapotes. The symbol used for "zero" is a shell glyph, which is seen on the stone carving. Although the Olmec didn't leave behind any statues or reliefs with a "zero" glyph, the use of the Long Count calender requires the knowledge of this concept since it's based off the Vigesimal number system, which the Olmec are credited to have created.[28]



There ya stupid dummy. I see you discovered ZERO in the mirror this morning.
:)

In addition to the above a$$bash:

Hey Petros:

(from the above link)
Petroleum – Native Americans in present-day Pennsylvania, the Iroquois, lit petroleum, which seeped from underground to fire ceremonial fires. In addition, they also used petroleum to cover their bodies against insect bites and as a form of jelly to prevent their skins from drying out

LOL.
Too bad they didn't get the patent rights, eh? If they hadn't showed a crooked white man this idea, maybe there would be NO MAN MADE CLIMATE CHANGE...HeH.

 
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Figure 31. On June 11, 1776 while the question of independence was being debated, the visiting Iroquois chiefs were formally invited into the meeting hall of the Continental Congress. There a speech was delivered, in which they were addressed as "Brothers" and told of the delegates' wish that the "friendship" between them would "continue as long as the sun shall shine" and the "waters run." The speech also expressed the hope that the new Americans and the Iroquois act "as one people, and have but one heart."[18] After this speech, an Onondaga chief requested permission to give Hancock an Indian name. The Congress graciously consented, and so the president was renamed "Karanduawn, or the Great Tree." With the Iroquois chiefs inside the halls of Congress on the eve of American Independence, the impact of Iroquois ideas on the founders is unmistakable. History is indebted to Charles Thomson, an adopted Delaware, whose knowledge of and respect for American Indians is reflected in the attention that he gave to this ceremony in the records of the Continental Congress.[19] Artwork by John Kahionhes Fadden.
https://ratical.org/many_worlds/6Nations/


Thanks to these guys working together Cliffie's trailer has walls.
:)
 

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This may seem strange but it fits here. It's an interview of Randall Carlson by Joe Rogan:
It covers so much ground. Give it a chance with even just the first 40 minutes & it'll pull you in.
 

petros

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Well, you racist nazi propaganda POOP machine, here you go:
They HAVE the longest running democracy on the planet NOW - the US constitution is ADMITTEDLY based on it.
https://www.nytimes.com/1987/06/28/...&gwh=9702FA061EF82E3669CA0698A94AD217&gwt=pay
The Six Nations:
Oldest Living Participatory Democracy on Earth
https://ratical.org/many_worlds/6Nations/
The largest pyramid on the planet
The World’s Largest Pyramid Is Hidden Under a Mountain in Mexico

(note the little nazicommiefacistfakenews church the globalists put on top to claim the mojo).
Known as Tlachihualtepetl (meaning "man-made mountain"), the origins of the pyramid are a little sketchy, though the general consensus is that it was built in around 300 BC by many different communities to honour the ancient god Quetzalcoatl.
This incremental growth is what allowed the Great Pyramid of Cholula to get so big. With a base of 450 by 450 metres (1,480 by 1,480 feet), it's four times the size of the Great Pyramid of Giza.
In fact, at roughly 66 metres (217 feet) tall, the pyramid’s total volume is about 4.45 million cubic metres (157 million cubic feet), while the Great Pyramid of Giza’s volume is just 2.5 million cubic metres (88.2 million cubic feet).
https://www.sciencealert.com/the-world-s-largest-pyramid-is-hidden-under-a-mountain-in-mexico
Not to mention they have about 50,000 years ( In america) of not destroying the planet while you white naziecommiefascists have put the whole planet on the edge of extinction in about 400 years.
Damn I hate CONCEITED racist a$$wipes like you. People like you are proof there may be no such thing as white "civilization".
Further:
List of inventions and innovations of indigenous Americans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_inventions_and_innovations_of_indigenous_Americans
some notable items on the list:
Anesthetics – indigenous peoples used coca, peyote, datura and other plants for partial or total loss of sensation or conscious during surgery. Western doctors had effective anesthetics only after the mid-19th century. Before this, they either had to perform surgery while the patient felt pain or knock the patient out.
Art to be viewed from space – the Nazca Lines were created by the ancient Nazca culture in modern-day Peru. The Nazca built these artworks, which could only be viewed from the sky or from space. It was as if the Nazca were building monuments, which only their gods could view from up in the sky. Some of these artworks, otherwise known as the Nazca Lines, could only be viewed from the sky and each one of these works of Nazca art spans several miles across in size and dimension in the Sechura Desert.
Balls
(You have been told what they are, haven't you?
;)
You dandie leftii flakenews sexual pronoun you.)
Bulletproof vest – Ichcahuipilli, was a military armor used by various Mesoamerican cultures. It consisted of a layered cotton shirt at least 2 inches thick, hardened with brine and other substances. It was originally intended to protect the wearer against projectiles and other weaponry, such as spears, arrows, and obsidian swords, but later was discovered to be capable of stopping musket shots
Calendars – calendars were developed by indigenous Americans throughout North America, Mesoamerica, and South America. They are known to have been in used since 600 BCE. Some calendars were so precise, that by the 5th century BCE, they were only 19 minutes off.
Canals – the Aztecs built great canals used for transporting food, cargo, and relaying people to the chinampas (floating gardens used for growing food) in their great metropolis of Tenochtitlan.
Corn (maize) – the domestication of maize, now cultivated throughout the world, is one of the most influential technological contributions of Mesoamericans.
(you have brought the "hole" I see, mizster unspecified racist pronoun.).
Right through to...
Vulcanization – the Olmec people of Veracruz, Mexico treated the sap from rubber trees with chemicals and shaped the resulting rubber into a myriad of products such as balls, sandals, balloons, rubber syringes, etc. centuries before Charles Goodyear re-invented the process during the 19th century.
Zero – the Olmec independently invented the concept of zero. The second earliest found instance of the use of zero—in Mesoamerica—has been dated to 32 B.C. by the Epi-Olmec culture. This date has been arrived at based off the Long Count date on Stela C at Tres Zapotes. The symbol used for "zero" is a shell glyph, which is seen on the stone carving. Although the Olmec didn't leave behind any statues or reliefs with a "zero" glyph, the use of the Long Count calender requires the knowledge of this concept since it's based off the Vigesimal number system, which the Olmec are credited to have created.[28]
There ya stupid dummy. I see you discovered ZERO in the mirror this morning.
:)
In addition to the above a$$bash:
Hey Petros:
(from the above link)
Petroleum – Native Americans in present-day Pennsylvania, the Iroquois, lit petroleum, which seeped from underground to fire ceremonial fires. In addition, they also used petroleum to cover their bodies against insect bites and as a form of jelly to prevent their skins from drying out
LOL.
Too bad they didn't get the patent rights, eh? If they hadn't showed a crooked white man this idea, maybe there would be NO MAN MADE CLIMATE CHANGE...HeH.
Perfect example of knowledge gaps that wouldn't exist with a population of 100ish Million.

They'd be the only civilization without continent wide roads and the waystations required. Even the waterways lack a point to point system.

Why would 10% have immunity to such indiscriminate diseases that allegedly spread like wildfire?
 

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The TeePee fires were still warm when the white settlers moved in. Perhaps time to make sure there were only bones would prevent the settlers also dying of the same diseases.
It isn't like the diseases were an 'Oops event' after all. This sanitized version will be the only one that makes it into the history books.
 

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The TeePee fires were still warm when the white settlers moved in. Perhaps time to make sure there were only bones would prevent the settlers also dying of the same diseases.
It isn't like the diseases were an 'Oops event' after all. This sanitized version will be the only one that makes it into the history books.
Uh, depending on where, yes it was an 'Oops event'. For example, the Wyandot were an absolutely essential part of the fur trade. They knew the waterways like truckers know the highways. Yet within less than 50 years they lost half their numbers from disease due to incidental contact. Simple fact is, whether it was Europeans, Africans, Arabs, or Asians that settled here, the deaths by disease from incidental contact would have been the same, period.

And before you start waffling on about British imperialism, allow me to remind you that the Europeans didn't event the idea of empire. That concept began with the first city state. No empire was ever built on the concept of 'please and thank you'.

For you to assess guilt on Whitey and call them racist for understanding that what happened here isn't much different than what happened all throughout human history, makes YOU the racist. Mongols, Persians, Babylonians, Egyptians, Chinese, Pheonicians etc all had empires built on backs and blood of others.
But it's only racist when Whitey does it. That about sum up your pissy little attitude?
 

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Uh, depending on where, yes it was an 'Oops event'. For example, the Wyandot were an absolutely essential part of the fur trade. They knew the waterways like truckers know the highways. Yet within less than 50 years they lost half their numbers from disease due to incidental contact. Simple fact is, whether it was Europeans, Africans, Arabs, or Asians that settled here, the deaths by disease from incidental contact would have been the same, period.
And before you start waffling on about British imperialism, allow me to remind you that the Europeans didn't event the idea of empire. That concept began with the first city state. No empire was ever built on the concept of 'please and thank you'.
For you to assess guilt on Whitey and call them racist for understanding that what happened here isn't much different than what happened all throughout human history, makes YOU the racist. Mongols, Persians, Babylonians, Egyptians, Chinese, Pheonicians etc all had empires built on backs and blood of others.
But it's only racist when Whitey does it. That about sum up your pissy little attitude?
Around here, the Wyandot had been totally wiped out by plagues and Iroquois warriors two hundred years before the White settlers turned up. They arrived in a region that had been re-populated by itinerant Mississauga from up North on the Shield. All that the Wynadot left was archaeology. The Mississauga were bought off with better fishing and hunting grounds up North, south of Sudbury when it became apparent that the north shore of Lake Ontario was destined for heavy-duty settlement.
 

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Were Vikings disease free? The mass die off would have hit 500+ years earlier. Chinamen explorers 600+ years ago never wiped them out with disease. Polynesians never wiped them out with disease but a dirty Wop funded by Spain did far after "first contact"?