Mass shootings an American Problem


Corduroy
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#1
An interesting article I read about the prevalence of mass shootings in the United States.

With data for 171 countries, Lankford found that the United States had by far the most public mass shooters, with 90 during the 46-year period. That’s five times as many as the next country on the list—the Philippines, with 18. Rounding out the top five were Russia (15), Yemen (11) and France (10). In other words, although the U.S. accounts for less than five percent of the world’s population, it had 31 percent of mass shootings between 1966 and 2012.

The strongest statistically significant factor Lankford found was the national firearm ownership rate. “What was surprising was how strong the relationship was—no matter what test I ran the data always showed the same thing,” he says. Even when Lankford removed the American outlier, his statistical tests showed just as strong a relationship between firearm ownership rates and mass shootings.

The top five countries in terms of civilian firearm ownership rates—the U.S., Yemen, Switzerland, Finland and Serbia—each made the top 15 in the list of mass shootings. This finding “suggests that essentially you can’t be in the top five in firearm ownership and not have this problem,” Lankford says, even in countries like Switzerland and Finland, which are “relatively peaceful in terms of total number of homicides.” Homicide and suicide rates did not appear to be significant in Lankford’s study


But moving away from guns, there's a cultural component:

“At least one explanation” about violence in the U.S. has suggested that “crime and deviance occur when there’s an unhealthy gap between people’s dreams and aspirations and their ability to reach those dreams,” Lankford explains. In the U.S. in particular, he writes, success and fame are idolized. “Everybody is shaped by culture in a way,” says Lankford. “Our culture has people reaching for the stars and slipping and falling probably more often.”

Public mass shooters—who often make comments or leave behind notes that help explain their motives—frequently cite “blocked goal achievement (such as being expelled from school or fired from work)” or “negative social interactions (such as being bullied by fellow students, coworkers, or supervisors),” according to the paper. Mental illness can distort certain individuals’ perceptions of such strains and exacerbate their inability to deal with them in a non-violent manner.

That school and work represent these grievances as well as the gap between one’s aspirations and ability to fulfill those dreams could explain why American mass shooters are more likely than those in other countries to target schools and workplaces.


http://www.newsweek.com/study-sees-m...problem-365260


So to sum up, the United States is a culture that places high value on material and personal achievement, as well as fame, ridicules failure, promises success and doesn't deliver, romanticizes violence and has wide access to guns.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
+2 / -1
#2
Very interesting, America also romanticizes war the ultimate violence.
 
Glacier
No Party Affiliation
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#3
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

Very interesting, America also romanticizes war the ultimate violence.

Let's go by homicides because people kill with more than guns (all murders are equal).

Homicide rates versus gun ownership (log scale). Notice the trend line. More guns, few homicides.

 
darkbeaver
Republican
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by Glacier View Post

Let's go by homicides because people kill with more than guns (all murders are equal).

Homicide rates versus gun ownership (log scale). Notice the trend line. More guns, few homicides.

Yes I was aware of that, I think I'd use a car or a pick up truck.
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

Yes I was aware of that, I think I'd use a car or a pick up truck.

Pickup with a deer catcher on the front.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#6
I'm sorry I don't mean to derail the thread. but I would use a car.
 
petros
+3
#7
It's a TV problem. They turn as$holes into household names.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

It's TV problem. They turn as$holes into household names.

like Obama or Nixon?
 
gopher
No Party Affiliation
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mass shootings don't necessarily mean USA has the highest murder rates - after all, in parts of Africa machetes are used in violence and far more have been murdered in civil strife, ethnic & sectarian violence
 
Blackleaf
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42% or so of all the world's privately-held firearms are in America.

This is how many times British cops fired guns all of last year: 3

August 19, 2014 · 12:15 AM EDT
Updated: August 19, 2014 · 9:00 AM EDT

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Police officers take pictures of giant puppets as they move through the streets of Liverpool, northern England July 25, 2014.
Credit: Nigel Roddis/Reuters


In 2012, 409 people were shot and killed by American police in what were termed justifiable shootings. In that same year, British police officers fired their weapons just once. No one was killed.

In 2013, British police officers fired their weapons all of three times. No one died. According to The Economist, "British citizens are around 100 times less likely to be shot by a police officer than Americans. Between 2010 and 2014, the police force of one small American city — Albuquerque in New Mexico — shot and killed 23 civilians; seven times more than the number of Brits killed by all of England and Wales’s 43 forces during the same period.

The Economist argues that the reason for this disparity is actually quite simple: guns are comparatively rare in the UK. Most cops don't carry them and criminals rarely have access to them. The last time a British officer was killed by a gun was in 2012. In the US last year, 30 police officers were shot and killed in the line of duty.

In December, PRI's The World reported on Icelanders grieving after their police force killed a man — for the first time in the country's history as a republic.




This is how many times British cops fired guns all of last year: 3 | Public Radio International
 
Corduroy
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Quote: Originally Posted by gopher View Post

mass shootings don't necessarily mean USA has the highest murder rates - after all, in parts of Africa machetes are used in violence and far more have been murdered in civil strife, ethnic & sectarian violence

Mass shooting a phenomenon different from murder or other kinds of crime. People will try to distract from the issue and make it about homicide in general or just gun control. They are missing the point. The mass shooting is a product of America culture. This includes access to guns but it's not the whole thing.
 
EagleSmack
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You're pretty naive aren't you?
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
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Quote: Originally Posted by Corduroy View Post

Mass shooting a phenomenon different from murder or other kinds of crime. People will try to distract from the issue and make it about homicide in general or just gun control. They are missing the point. The mass shooting is a product of America culture. This includes access to guns but it's not the whole thing.

It's a product of using the most efficient weapon available whether that be gun or machete or whatever ISIS is using this week.
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiing View Post

It's a product of using the most efficient weapon available whether that be gun or machete or whatever ISIS is using this week.

Ski... Mass shootings is an American Phenomenon ONLY.
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

Ski... Mass shootings is an American Phenomenon ONLY.

Purple won't help you with this poster.
 
Colpy
Conservative
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by gopher View Post

mass shootings don't necessarily mean USA has the highest murder rates - after all, in parts of Africa machetes are used in violence and far more have been murdered in civil strife, ethnic & sectarian violence

Gopher got it right.

Guns are used in the USA because....there are lots of guns.

Elsewhere a frustrated student without access to firearms chains his dorm doors shut and throws in a can of gasoline and a match. 57 dead.

Arson Suspected In Kenya Tragedy - CBS News

There are many many examples, from all over the world.
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
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#17
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

42% or so of all the world's privately-held firearms are in America.

This is how many times British cops fired guns all of last year: 3

August 19, 2014 · 12:15 AM EDT
Updated: August 19, 2014 · 9:00 AM EDT

Producer Jonathan Kealing (follow)
General Manager Michael Skoler (follow)

Comment

Police officers take pictures of giant puppets as they move through the streets of Liverpool, northern England July 25, 2014.
Credit: Nigel Roddis/Reuters


In 2012, 409 people were shot and killed by American police in what were termed justifiable shootings. In that same year, British police officers fired their weapons just once. No one was killed.

In 2013, British police officers fired their weapons all of three times. No one died. According to The Economist, "British citizens are around 100 times less likely to be shot by a police officer than Americans. Between 2010 and 2014, the police force of one small American city — Albuquerque in New Mexico — shot and killed 23 civilians; seven times more than the number of Brits killed by all of England and Wales’s 43 forces during the same period.

The Economist argues that the reason for this disparity is actually quite simple: guns are comparatively rare in the UK. Most cops don't carry them and criminals rarely have access to them. The last time a British officer was killed by a gun was in 2012. In the US last year, 30 police officers were shot and killed in the line of duty.

In December, PRI's The World reported on Icelanders grieving after their police force killed a man — for the first time in the country's history as a republic.




This is how many times British cops fired guns all of last year: 3 | Public Radio International

And huge parts of britain live under sharia law. I see a distinct relationship between the number of guns and the amount of freedom.
 
Colpy
Conservative
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

And huge parts of britain live under sharia law. I see a distinct relationship between the number of guns and the amount of freedom.

Reasonably easy civilian possession of arms is the canary in the mine......when they start taking guns from people, the rest of your liberty is not far behind.

Last edited by Colpy; Aug 28th, 2015 at 12:38 PM..
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

42% or so of all the world's privately-held firearms are in America.

This is how many times British cops fired guns all of last year: 3

Heck, they fired way more'n that just at De Menzes.
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
#20
Are briddish cops even allowed to carry guns?
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
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Problem?

Who says mass shootings are a problem?

Americans love their mass shootings and if you don't too, you Commie bastard, they'll effin do you.
 
WLDB
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

It's a TV problem. They turn as$holes into household names.

They still happened before tv was big.
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
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Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Got in your daily lie, Cliffy?\

Good for you.

Quote: Originally Posted by Corduroy View Post

“At least one explanation” about violence in the U.S. has suggested that “crime and deviance occur when there’s an unhealthy gap between people’s dreams and aspirations and their ability to reach those dreams,” Lankford explains.

See, this is important. As we continue to work to lower people's dreams and aspirations, we should see drops in crime and deviance.
 
Corduroy
#25
I know a lot of you misunderstood the point of this article, but I'm just going to be naive enough to recommend a second look.
 
Ludlow
No Party Affiliation
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I don'''t know. Colpy believes that regulating fire arms leaves law abiding folks defenseless against the crooks who'll get weapons regardless of the law. I see that point Then in my country gun rights advocates want arsenals and laws that proliferate it. The gun manufacturers are making a killing. Literally. I don't know the answers. I hate guns because I've lost two in my family by way of gun violence. Going one direction will have some positives and some negatives. Going the opposite way likewise. Isn't that the way with everything though.
 
Corduroy
#27
The gun debate has been done so many times before that everyone has set responses for it. We might as well create a computer program that'll randomly spit out gun debate one-liners. I think one of two things happen when people see this thread.

1. They don't read it, see it's about guns and kick into autopilot.
2. They do read it, don't get it because it does't fit neatly into the standard gun debate, mentally fall back into the standard and kick into autopilot.

If you're going to dismiss it at least understand what it's saying.
 
EagleSmack
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#28
Maybe we need more laws and more gun free zones.
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

Maybe we need more laws and more gun free zones.

I hope somebody gave that Oregon guy a ticket.
 
Corduroy
#30
Exactly my point.
 

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