Justin Trudeau's 'foolish' China remarks spark anger


B00Mer
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Justin Trudeau's 'foolish' China remarks spark anger



Members of the Asian-Canadian community are demanding an apology from Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau, following his comments on Thursday expressing admiration for China's "basic dictatorship."


A round table of people from China, Taiwan, Tibet and Korea all of whom say they suffered at the hands of China's dictatorship said they were insulted by Trudeau's remarks, made on Thursday at a women's event.


The Liberal leader was asked which nation he admired most. He responded: "There's a level of admiration I actually have for China. Their basic dictatorship is actually allowing them to turn their economy around on a dime."


That statement was upsetting for people who say they were wrongly imprisoned or tortured by the Chinese government for speaking out for democracy.


"Can I use the word 'foolish'"? said one member of the Federation for a Democratic China, characterizing Trudeau's words. The political group advocates for the democratization of China.
'A bit silly'

"It seems to be that he's not well-informed," another member of the round table said of Trudeau.


Federal NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair also reacted with surprise to the Liberal leader's words, calling it "a bit silly" to laud China rather than to praise democratic values.


At a press conference on Saturday in Quebec, Trudeau said his comment was a reflection on a growing economy.


Canadian members of the Federation for a Democratic China say that along with an apology from the Liberal leader, they also want an opportunity to meet face-to-face so he can listen to some of their personal stories of persecution at the hands of the Chinese government.


source: Justin Trudeau's 'foolish' China remarks spark anger - Toronto - CBC News


Whoopdee do you say.. Well the apple does not fall far from the tree, he father had many photos taken with leaders of communist countries that tortured their citizens...


China is a country where people are still trying to escape from to Canada, The USA and so on.. their wages are low and they are repressed and jailed for little or no reason..
 
CDNBear
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Like father, like sons.

Sacha and Justin, just like their father, just love those socialist dictatorships.

Letting Justin take the helm, is pure idiocy.

From Justin Trudeau's senior advisor...

Aug. 13, 2006. 07:38 AM
ALEXANDRE TRUDEAU
SPECIAL TO THE STAR

I grew up knowing that Fidel Castro had a special place among my family's friends. We had a picture of him at home: a great big man with a beard who wore military fatigues and held my baby brother Michel in his arms. When he met my little brother in 1976, he even gave him a nickname that would stick with him his whole life: "Micha-Miche."

A few years later, when Michel was around 8 years old, I remember him complaining to my mother that my older brother and I both had more friends than he did. My mother told him that, unlike us, he had the greatest friend of all: he had Fidel.

For many years, Cuba remained Michel's exclusive realm; whenever someone would accompany my father there, it would naturally be Michel. It wasn't until after both my father's and brother's deaths that I got a chance to visit Fidel and his country, Cuba.

Fidel may have been at first a political contact of my father's but their relationship was much more than that. It was extra-political.

Indeed, like my father, in private, Fidel is not a politician. He is more in the vein of a great adventurer or a great scientific mind. Fidel doesn't really do politics. He is a revolutionary.

He lives to learn and to put his knowledge in the service of the revolution.

For Fidel, revolution is really a work of reason. In his view, revolution, when rigorously adopted, cannot fail to lead humanity towards ever greater justice, towards an ever more perfect social order.

Fidel is also the most curious man that I have ever met. He wants to know all there is to be known. He is famous for not sleeping, instead spending the night studying and learning.

He also knows what he doesn't know, and when he meets you he immediately seeks to identify what he might learn from you. Once he has ascertained an area of expertise that might be of interest, he begins with his questions. One after the other. He synthesizes information quickly and gets back to you with ever deeper and more complex questions, getting more and more excited as he illuminates, through his Socratic interrogation, new parcels of knowledge and understanding he might add to his own mental library.

His intellect is one of the most broad and complete that can be found. He is an expert on genetics, on automobile combustion engines, on stock markets. On everything.

Combined with a Herculean physique and extraordinary personal courage, this monumental intellect makes Fidel the giant that he is.

He is something of a superman. My father once told us how he had expressed to Fidel his desire to do some diving in Cuba. Fidel took him to the most enchanting spot on the island and set him up with equipment and a tank. He stood back as my father geared up and began to dive alone.

When my father had reached a depth of around 60 feet, he realized that Fidel was down there with him, that he had descended without a tank and that there he was with a knife in hand prying sea urchins off the ocean floor, grinning.

Back on the surface, they feasted on the raw sea urchins, seasoned with lime juice.

Fidel turns 80 years old today. A couple of weeks ago, he shocked the world by turning power over to his brother Raul after holding it without interruption since the 1959 revolution. In newspapers across the world, pundits solemnly declared that even giants are mortal and that no revolution is eternal. Historians even began to prepare the space that will be granted Fidel in history books.

Fidel may seem an anachronism: a visionary statesman in a world where his kind have long since been replaced by mere managers, a 20th-century icon still present in the 21st century.

There is also wild speculation about what fate awaits Cuba after Castro. It is important to note, however, that while the whole world works itself up about the matter, Cubans themselves play it cool. Some of my shrewder Cuban friends even say that this temporary withdrawal from power is another one of Castro's clever strategies; that it is something of a test and that he will soon be back at the helm. They say that, on one hand, Castro is allowing the Cuban people, and more specifically the Cuban state apparatus, to become accustomed to the leadership of his brother Raul. On the other hand, Castro is carefully watching for hints as to how the world and, more importantly, the United States will react to his final departure.

Cubans remain very proud of Castro, even those who don't share his vision. They know that, among the world's many peoples, they have the most audacious and brilliant of leaders. They respect his intellectual machismo and rigour.

But Castro's leadership can be something of a burden, too. They do occasionally complain, often as an adolescent might complain about a too strict and demanding father. The Jefe (chief) sees all and knows all, they might say. In particular, young Cubans have told me that an outsider cannot ever really imagine what it is like to live in such a hermetic society, where everyone has an assigned spot and is watched and judged carefully. You can never really learn on your own, they might say. The Jefe always knows what is best for you. It can be suffocating, they say.

I met a young man in the small provincial town of Remedios who worked there as a cigar roller. We shared a great love for the works of Dostoyevsky. When I expressed to him my excitement at meeting a fellow aficionado of Russian literature, he flatly told me: "Yes, Fidel has taught me to read and to think, but look what work he sets me out to do with this education: I roll cigars!"

Cuba under Castro is a remarkably literate and healthy country, but it is undeniably poor. Historians will note, however, that never in modern times has a small, peaceful country been more subjected to unfair and malicious treatment by a superpower than Cuba has by the United States.

From the very start, the United States never gave Castro's Cuba a choice. Either Castro had to submit himself and his people to America's will or he had to hold his ground against them.

Which is what he did, in the process drawing the Cuban people into this taxing dialectic that continues to this day. Cubans pay the price and may occasionally complain of their fate, but they rarely blame Castro. The United States never fails to make the Cuban people well aware of its spite for this small neighbouring country that dares to be independent.

With the possible exception of Nelson Mandela, already well into retirement, Fidel is the last of the global patriarchs. Reason, revolution and virtue are becoming more and more distant and abstract concepts. We will perhaps never see another patriarch.

We thus have to conceive of the departure of the last patriarch in psychoanalytical terms. The death of the father doesn't signal our liberation from him quite the contrary. The death of a father so grand and present as Castro will, rather, immortalize him in the minds of his children.

It is true that Cubans may eventually cast away the communist orthodoxy of the revolution. They will become tempted by American capital and values as soon as the embargo against them is lifted, something that will surely follow in the not so distant future. They will have new opportunities for individual fulfilment and downfall. Without a doubt, Cuba without Castro will not remain unchanged.

But Cubans will continue to be subjected to Castro's influence. Whether they like it or not, they will continue to be called out by his voice, by his questions, by his inescapable rationality, which, whether they heed its call or not, demands they defend the integrity of Cuba and urges them to seek justice and excellence in all things.

For a generation to come, they will be haunted by the vision of a society that never existed and probably never will exist, but which their once-leader, the most brilliant and obsessed of all, never stopped believing could exist and should exist.

Cubans will always feel privileged that they, and they alone, had Fidel.
Last edited by CDNBear; Nov 10th, 2013 at 08:32 AM..
 
B00Mer
No Party Affiliation
#3
Obama and Justine need to get a room.. what's with the move towards socialism in North America.. has every just become a lazy fukk and feel the rest of world owes them something??

Maybe they need to go live in China for a few years..

No social programs are free hand outs over there.. what to eat, work for $2 hr making Nike shoes.
 
Durry
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#4
Just another example that Justin is in way over his head !
 
Sons of Liberty
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#5
FiveParadox = "natural governing party" of Canada?

ROFLMAO?
 
Colpy
Conservative
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#6
Justin This Week:

1. Copied the idea of a "carbon tax" despite the fact that policy killed Stephan Dion......a man with one hundred times Justin's qualifications and double Justin's IQ.

2. Insulted every Liberal woman in the country with his "Pay me $250 and I will pretend to listen to your fluffy-headed ideas while you get to fantasize about having sex with me" fund raising plan.

3. Displayed the fact that he inherited his father's love of tyranny and mass murderers.

Still over a year and a half to an election.

Heh heh.

Harper majority in 2015.

Although the media are doing their level best to cover for him. Minimal coverage on the insult to women, NO coverage on the carbon tax, and the "I love China" bit was written off by the CBC political panel as "a joke". Yeah. 65 million dead. REAL funny.
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
+1
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by Sons of Liberty View Post

FiveParadox = "natural governing party" of Canada?

ROFLMAO?

That is what the lib defenders call themselves and if you look at their track record they have been in power more than the conservatives. So maybe we really are a country of freeloaders.
 
Colpy
Conservative
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Sun News : LEVANT: Two parts to every Justin Trudeau story
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Sun News : LEVANT: Two parts to every Justin Trudeau story

LMAO!!!

That was way over the top, but made me laugh out loud for real.

Ezra was in true form, but that one lady "Let's just get him elected, we'll worry about that later", that was hilarious, with no context, but sill hilarious.
 
WLDB
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by Sons of Liberty View Post

FiveParadox = "natural governing party" of Canada?

ROFLMAO?

Indeed. Its that arrogance which played a big role in their downfall.
 
Blackleaf
#11
That's nothing.

In 1986, the Queen and Prince Philip (a hero of mine) went on a state visit to China.

Whilst there, they met some British students.

'If you stay here much longer you will all be slitty-eyed', the prince told them.


Notorious: The Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh on the Great Wall of China during their 1986 state visit
 
gerryh
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Quote:

their wages are low and they are repressed and jailed for little or no reason..


Hmmmm..... sounds familiar. I'm sure I've heard similar complaints from outside china.... now just where was that................
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

Hmmmm..... sounds familiar. I'm sure I've heard similar complaints from outside china.... now just where was that................

Canada?
 
relic
Free Thinker
+2
#14
I'll take inexperienced over lying sack of **** any day.
 
Zipperfish
No Party Affiliation
#15
Trudeau's comments "sparked anger" over at Sun News but not really anywhere else. And thsoe guys at Sun News are pretty much angry all the time anyways.
 
CDNBear
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The Comrade Broadcasting Corporation is angry too...

Justin Trudeau's 'foolish' China remarks spark anger - Toronto - CBC News

They must always be angry too.

And the Asian Canadian community must always be angry too.....
 
Sons of Liberty
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

The Comrade Broadcasting Corporation is angry too...

 
Zipperfish
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

The Comrade Broadcasting Corporation is angry too...

Justin Trudeau's 'foolish' China remarks spark anger - Toronto - CBC News

They must always be angry too.

And the Asian Canadian community must always be angry too.....

No, the CBC is reporting on others being angry. Whereas, as usual, they're completely tomato-faced over at Sun News. Probably not the smartest thing to say, but taken out of context as well. Not what the Conservative propaganda machine would have you believe.

But of course, you're non-partisan right?

We'll see if it sticks or not.
 
Colpy
Conservative
+2
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Quote: Originally Posted by Zipperfish View Post

No, the CBC is reporting on others being angry. Whereas, as usual, they're completely tomato-faced over at Sun News. Probably not the smartest thing to say, but taken out of context as well. Not what the Conservative propaganda machine would have you believe.

But of course, you're non-partisan right?

We'll see if it sticks or not.

I love the accusation that Trudeau's words were "taken out of context".

Yes they were. But even in context, they reveal a lack of intellectual depth..

China is the filthiest advanced nation on earth, where smog kills and where generation of electricity by coal burning increases every year.

Not only does Trudeau make the mistake of expressing admiration for the regime that has killed more people than any other on earth, he makes that mistake in a context that is totally erroneous.

The man is an idiot.
 
Goober
Free Thinker
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

Hmmmm..... sounds familiar. I'm sure I've heard similar complaints from outside china.... now just where was that................

On the news reports of the riots which the Chinese press does not report.
 
gerryh
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by Goober View Post

On the news reports of the riots which the Chinese press does not report.

Wrong

Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Canada?

Give the man a cookie.

Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Canada?

Give the man a cookie.
 
Durry
#22
The Libs give and just keep on giving!! LOL !!
 
FiveParadox
Liberal
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#23
This story is ridiculous.

Mr. Justin Trudeau M.P. ( Papineau ), the Leader of the Liberal Party , was clearly drawing attention to the dictatorial governance practices of the current Canadian prime minister. Efforts to play this off as praise for the People's Republic of China are a stretch, at best (if not simply disingenuous).

The public service -- including scientists and researchers -- have been utterly silenced. Ministers can speak few words about their own departments without the hand-holding of the Prime Minister's Office. Only approved questions can be asked of the prime minister and ministers by reporters. Canada has never before seen such tight control over the machinations of government from a single office, and the effectiveness of our democracy is tremendously weakened for it.
 
Zipperfish
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Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

I love the accusation that Trudeau's words were "taken out of context".

Yes they were. But even in context, they reveal a lack of intellectual depth..

China is the filthiest advanced nation on earth, where smog kills and where generation of electricity by coal burning increases every year.

Not only does Trudeau make the mistake of expressing admiration for the regime that has killed more people than any other on earth, he makes that mistake in a context that is totally erroneous.

The man is an idiot.

Meh, if they're so bad, why do we trade so much with them? Why do we hire their plants to make our stuff? Why do we fly in their workers to replace ours? Why are we so desperate to ship our resources to them? Why so anxious to get pipelines in to ship oil to China?

I think the Liberals in government would be more democratic than the Conservatives. Not too worried about Canada turning into a communist dictatorship.
 
JLM
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#25
Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

Justin Trudeau's 'foolish' China remarks spark anger



Members of the Asian-Canadian community are demanding an apology from Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau, following his comments on Thursday expressing admiration for China's "basic dictatorship."


A round table of people from China, Taiwan, Tibet and Korea all of whom say they suffered at the hands of China's dictatorship said they were insulted by Trudeau's remarks, made on Thursday at a women's event.


The Liberal leader was asked which nation he admired most. He responded: "There's a level of admiration I actually have for China. Their basic dictatorship is actually allowing them to turn their economy around on a dime."


That statement was upsetting for people who say they were wrongly imprisoned or tortured by the Chinese government for speaking out for democracy.


"Can I use the word 'foolish'"? said one member of the Federation for a Democratic China, characterizing Trudeau's words. The political group advocates for the democratization of China.
'A bit silly'

"It seems to be that he's not well-informed," another member of the round table said of Trudeau.


Federal NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair also reacted with surprise to the Liberal leader's words, calling it "a bit silly" to laud China rather than to praise democratic values.


At a press conference on Saturday in Quebec, Trudeau said his comment was a reflection on a growing economy.


Canadian members of the Federation for a Democratic China say that along with an apology from the Liberal leader, they also want an opportunity to meet face-to-face so he can listen to some of their personal stories of persecution at the hands of the Chinese government.


source: Justin Trudeau's 'foolish' China remarks spark anger - Toronto - CBC News


Whoopdee do you say.. Well the apple does not fall far from the tree, he father had many photos taken with leaders of communist countries that tortured their citizens...


China is a country where people are still trying to escape from to Canada, The USA and so on.. their wages are low and they are repressed and jailed for little or no reason..

Idiots can do that! -
 
#juan
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#26
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

I love the accusation that Trudeau's words were "taken out of context".

Yes they were. But even in context, they reveal a lack of intellectual depth..

China is the filthiest advanced nation on earth, where smog kills and where generation of electricity by coal burning increases every year.

Not only does Trudeau make the mistake of expressing admiration for the regime that has killed more people than any other on earth, he makes that mistake in a context that is totally erroneous.

The man is an idiot.

So what do you want? Do you want Trudeau to jump right in there and call the Chinese leaders criminals and murderers. That would do wonders for our trade balance.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by #juan View Post

So what do you want? Do you want Trudeau to jump right in there and call the Chinese leaders criminals and murderers. That would do wonders for our trade balance.

Nah, better just to point out their nefarious tendencies in a tactful manner. -
 
Colpy
Conservative
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Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox View Post

This story is ridiculous.

Mr. Justin Trudeau M.P. ( Papineau ), the Leader of the Liberal Party , was clearly drawing attention to the dictatorial governance practices of the current Canadian prime minister. Efforts to play this off as praise for the People's Republic of China are a stretch, at best (if not simply disingenuous).

The public service -- including scientists and researchers -- have been utterly silenced. Ministers can speak few words about their own departments without the hand-holding of the Prime Minister's Office. Only approved questions can be asked of the prime minister and ministers by reporters. Canada has never before seen such tight control over the machinations of government from a single office, and the effectiveness of our democracy is tremendously weakened for it.

lol!!

You ARE kidding, right??

Might I suggest you read up on Trudeau Sr?? Justin is simply carrying on a family tradition of tyrant adoration.
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
+2
#29
I think I'm going to start calling him Fluffy...
 
Blackleaf
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

and where generation of electricity by coal burning increases every year.

The Chinese, and also the Germans (who also have an expanding number of coal power stations) are obviously wiser than some other countries.
 

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