Over a Dozen Dead in California Bar Shooting


Curious Cdn
#31
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Maybe, but a long barrel will get in way and most people will run as soon as the gun is in the open. Using your 2nd finger to pull the trigger might help the aim as the finger you point with everyday is aligned with the barrel.

I have shot competitively and wasaaay back, I was a good shot.

You gotta be Buffalo Bill to hit much with a handgun unless you are already close enough to throw the handgun at them. It's your choice, really. Fire the weapon and probably wound or throw the weapon and probably wound.
 
JLM
#32
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

I know the solution to that!

MORE GUNS!


They would probably help!
 
Curious Cdn
+1
#33
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

They would probably help!

Every man, woman and child needs to be armed and heavily, too.

We should do that here in Canada to bring our crime rate down to North American standards!
 
DaSleeper
+1
#34
A sawed off 12 gauge.................Can't miss!
 
spaminator
#35
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoof Hearted View Post

The shooter's name is Ian David Long...a U.S. Marines Veteran.

hes one marine son of a gun.
 
Curious Cdn
+1
#36
Quote: Originally Posted by spaminator View Post

hes one marine son of a gun.

Some ex-Marines snap and become mass murderers. Some ex-Marines snap and become pernicious Internet trolls.
 
White_Unifier
#37
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Some ex-Marines snap and become mass murderers. Some ex-Marines snap and become pernicious Internet trolls.

Wait a minute. I thought once a Marine, always a Marine.
 
Bar Sinister
-1
#38
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

You have stats from the 8th century?




Why don't you provide them? That is where you are stuck.
 
Bar Sinister
#39
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

How many self defense?




Dumb-assed post. People who use guns in self-defence don't engage in mass shootings.
 
Curious Cdn
+1
#40
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

Wait a minute. I thought once a Marine, always a Marine.

Sorry about that. My Android spell-checker seems to have changed "Moron" into "Marine" by accident.
 
Mowich
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#41  Top Rated Post
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

If the victims were armed, they could have prevented it. I'd like to propose a revision to the amendment. Instead of a right to bear arms, how about an obligation to do so? Besides, it would seem that that constitution right is makes it a practical obligation anyway, so might as well just write the practical reality into the constitution.

Are you out of your mind? Why would you arm a bunch of partying kids? Stop for a moment and picture what it would have been like in that bar. It was packed. The kids were drinking and celebrating. Once it registered with them that someone was shooting at them, they were terrified and panicking. Most of them had no idea where the shots were coming from. Now, put a gun in each of their hands and imagine what would happen.
 
White_Unifier
#42
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

Are you out of your mind? Why would you arm a bunch of partying kids? Stop for a moment and picture what it would have been like in that bar. It was packed. The kids were drinking and celebrating. Once it registered with them that someone was shooting at them, they were terrified and panicking. Most of them had no idea where the shots were coming from. Now, put a gun in each of their hands and imagine what would happen.

There's a high probability that the original shooter would end up among the dead. Not a guarantee of course, but given the casualty rate that would cause, it's fair to say that the shooter would be taking a big risk to walk into that kind of firecracker.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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#43
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

Are you out of your mind? Why would you arm a bunch of partying kids? Stop for a moment and picture what it would have been like in that bar. It was packed. The kids were drinking and celebrating. Once it registered with them that someone was shooting at them, they were terrified and panicking. Most of them had no idea where the shots were coming from. Now, put a gun in each of their hands and imagine what would happen.

"You know my position on arming morons, Ollie. You arm one, you gotta arm 'em all. Otherwise it isn't good sport."
-- Judge Flatt, Nobody's Fool
 
White_Unifier
#44
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

"You know my position on arming morons, Ollie. You arm one, you gotta arm 'em all. Otherwise it isn't good sport."
-- Judge Flatt, Nobody's Fool

Mutually assured destruction is the best defense.
 
spaminator
#45
Country music fan who survived Vegas massacre killed in California bar shooting
Associated Press
Published:
November 9, 2018
Updated:
November 9, 2018 7:02 PM EST
Telemachus "Tel" Orfanos is pictured in a Facebook photo. (Facebook)
THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. — Tel Orfanos lived through the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history only to lose his life in another one less than 10 minutes from his home barely a year later, a tragic coincidence that has devastated his friends and family.
The 27-year-old Navy veteran was among at least several survivors of last year’s Las Vegas massacre who were at the Borderline Bar & Grill in Thousand Oaks when a gunman stormed in and killed 12 people late Wednesday. While the others became two-time survivors, Orfanos died.
“He survived Vegas, where a lot more people died than this. It’s just unreal,” his friend Aliza Thomas said Friday. “It’s not fair.”
Thomas, who has known Orfanos since they were in high school, said her friend didn’t talk much about his experience in Vegas. Orfanos liked to focus on the positive.
“He was always such a happy person,” she said.
Orfanos’ mother, Susan Schmidt-Orfanos, was shaking with rage and grief when she spoke about how her son was unable to survive two mass killings.
“Here are my words: I want gun control,” Schmidt-Orfanos told The Associated Press. “I don’t want prayers. I don’t want thoughts.”
She said she wanted Congress “to pass gun control so no one else has a child that doesn’t come home.”
Dani Merrill, who survived both Vegas and Borderline, was among mourners at a packed theatre Thursday honouring Orfanos and the others who lost their lives in the shooting at the bar.
“I’m super upset that it happened in our home, and I feel awful for the families that have to go through this,” said Merrill, the exhaustion evident in her eyes.
“I didn’t sleep,” she explained. “It’s hard to sleep after these kinds of things. You don’t know how to feel.”
Brendan Kelly, a 22-year-old Marine, also survived Vegas and was at the Borderline bar when Wednesday’s shooting happened.
“I already didn’t wish it on anybody to begin with for the first time,” Kelly said outside his home in Thousand Oaks. “The second time around doesn’t get any easier.”
Kelly said he was dancing with his friends when the bullets began flying.
“The chills go up your spine. You don’t think it’s real — again,” he said.
He said he threw two of his friends to the floor and covered them with his body. Then he got a look at the shooter and the terror unfolding and decided they needed to escape.
Kelly said he dragged one woman out a back emergency exit and then, using his belt, T-shirt and Marine training, applied a tourniquet to his friend’s bleeding arm. Two of his friends were killed in the shooting.
In Las Vegas and Thousand Oaks, country music fans were the victims. Borderline was having a weekly country night and the Vegas shooter targeted a crowd of country fans gathered for the Route 91 Harvest Festival.
Kelly, who has a large tattoo on his left arm memorializing the Las Vegas shooting, said that Borderline had become a safe haven for dozens of Vegas survivors and it was common for many of them to hang out there together.
“It is our home,” he said.
A few weeks after the Vegas shooting, the bar held a benefit concert for five people from the area who were killed, and now-eerie social media posts show a number of survivors holding up a “Route 91” sign inside the bar at a six-month anniversary event.
Kelly said living through Vegas changed his life and doesn’t know how a second mass shooting will affect him down the road.
“Everywhere I go, everything I do is affected,” he said. “I don’t sit in a room with my back to the door. You’re always picking up on social cues. You’re always overanalyzing people, trying to figure out if something were to go down, ’What would I do?”’
Kelly said he’ll be looking to God for comfort in the coming weeks and months.
“I know that, being a religious person, that God is never going to give me anything more than I can handle,” he said. “I’m here for a reason.”
‘Odd,’ volatile killer ex-Marine passed mental health assessment
Graphic video: Gunshots heard inside California bar shooting
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5s_fH7mnFsw
http://torontosun.com/news/world/cou...a-bar-shooting
 
petros
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#46
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

Agreed. Until 10% of the population starts to shoot people, we're far, far away from the 50% mark. It's a small minority.

With methamphetamine use skyrocketing so is violence. Meth is everywhere in NorAm. Even in fly in communities in the middle of butt f-ck nowhere there are jib rats scurrying around stealing everything in sight to buy more.

I'd love to know the stats on how many of the shooters are Jib rats.

ERs and looney bins are brimming with amphetamine induced psychosis cases. Hospital security has gone from fat old guys to ex-cops and ex-military with 10X the numbers.

It won't be long before they are armed or become police forces all their own.

Winterpig cops are drawing a correlation. Why isn't the MSM and anti-gun crowd aware of this epidemic?

https://globalnews.ca/news/4394260/r...nnipeg-police/

In the past two weeks, police responded to more than one firearms related incident a day — and the Winnipeg Police Service blames the rise in meth use with the rise in violent gun crime.

“It’s concerning for the public and the city at large, we’ve got people out with firearms,” said Const. Rob Carver.

In a 24-hour-period between Aug. 14 and 15, officers responded to five separate incidents involving firearms. Although the crimes were separate, it’s believed drugs were involved in some way for all of them, said Carver.

“This is what we’re facing on a daily basis. I think the point here is not the individual incidents, but kind of an overview of what is happening in the city, mostly fueled by methamphetamine, and then leading to violence, and in these cases firearms incidents.”

“Not every firearm we see is a real firearm, some are replica, but our officers don’t know that, which means we’re going into a situation where there is a probability that firearms are going to get used, possibly by our own officers.”

Compared to five years ago, Carver said there’s been a huge increase in the presence of meth in the city, and policing it is tying up officers across the city.
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White_Unifier
#47
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

With methamphetamine use skyrocketing so is violence. Meth is everywhere in NorAm. Even in fly in communities in the middle of butt f-ck nowhere there are jib rats scurrying around stealing everything in sight to buy more.
I'd love to know the stats on how many of the shooters are Jib rats.
ERs and looney bins are brimming with amphetamine induced psychosis cases. Hospital security has gone from fat old guys to ex-cops and ex-military with 10X the numbers.
It won't be long before they are armed or become police forces all their own.
Winterpig cops are drawing a correlation. Why isn't the MSM and anti-gun crowd aware of this epidemic?
https://globalnews.ca/news/4394260/r...nnipeg-police/
In the past two weeks, police responded to more than one firearms related incident a day — and the Winnipeg Police Service blames the rise in meth use with the rise in violent gun crime.
“It’s concerning for the public and the city at large, we’ve got people out with firearms,” said Const. Rob Carver.
In a 24-hour-period between Aug. 14 and 15, officers responded to five separate incidents involving firearms. Although the crimes were separate, it’s believed drugs were involved in some way for all of them, said Carver.
“This is what we’re facing on a daily basis. I think the point here is not the individual incidents, but kind of an overview of what is happening in the city, mostly fueled by methamphetamine, and then leading to violence, and in these cases firearms incidents.”
“Not every firearm we see is a real firearm, some are replica, but our officers don’t know that, which means we’re going into a situation where there is a probability that firearms are going to get used, possibly by our own officers.”
Compared to five years ago, Carver said there’s been a huge increase in the presence of meth in the city, and policing it is tying up officers across the city.

This is where I think we can learn from Singapore. Singapore has among the lowest crime rates in the world, but that's because it actually cares about its people and protects them from traffickers unlike Trudeau who wants the government to take a share of the drug-pushing profits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwYTDVRmGnc

That is what caring about the well being of the people looks like.
 
MHz
#48
Quote: Originally Posted by spaminator View Post

Country music fan who survived Vegas massacre killed in California bar shooting

??? Talk about somebody who needed to be a bit more paranoid, as staying home would have been a real life-saver, . . perhaps gas leak ??
 
Walter
#49
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

Why don't you provide them? That is where you are stuck.

I’m using the 8th century internet.
 
Walter
#50
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

This is where I think we can learn from Singapore. Singapore has among the lowest crime rates in the world, but that's because it actually cares about its people and protects them from traffickers unlike Trudeau who wants the government to take a share of the drug-pushing profits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwYTDVRmGnc
That is what caring about the well being of the people looks like.

Not allowed to spit gum on the streets in Singapore.
 
MHz
#51
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

I’m using the 8th century internet.

You misspelled 'mindset'.
 
MHz
#52
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Not allowed to spit gum on the streets in Singapore.

Why do it anywhere or is 'the point of a gun' what it takes to get your attention?
 
Hoid
#53
Angry white guy shooting up country music fans in a bar stops to post to instagram:

"It's too bad I won't get to see all the illogical and pathetic reasons people will put in my mouth as to why I did it," the military veteran said in the post. "Fact is I had no reason to do it, and I just thought....(exploitive), life is boring so why not?" Long posted, according to ABC News and Buzzfeed.

Three minutes later Long posted, "I hope people call me insane (two smiley face emojiis) would that just be a big ball of irony? Yeah... I'm insane, but the only thing you people do after these shootings is 'hopes and prayers'...or 'keep you in my thoughts'."

He added, "Every time...and wonder why these keep happening... --(two smiley face emojis).
 
White_Unifier
#54
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Not allowed to spit gum on the streets in Singapore.

While property owners in Canada pay municipal taxes to scrape gum off bus seats.
 
Hoid
#55
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

Mutually assured destruction is the best defense.

against a suicidal maniac?

I think you need a rethink here.