Legalization of drugs is the way to combat cartels, former Mexican president says


B00Mer
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Legalization of drugs is the way to combat cartels, former Mexican president says



Legalizing drugs is the best way to combat cartels, according to Vicente Fox, the former president of Mexico.

Mexico’s Senate is expected to vote in favor of a bill to legalize the recreational use of marijuana in the coming days, in a bid to choke off a black market dominated by violent gangs.

Several Mexican Senate committees tabled draft legislation on Thursday to make the commercial production and sale of marijuana legal, expanding on a Supreme Court decision last year which deemed the country’s ban on personal cannabis consumption and cultivation unconstitutional. Current President Andrés Manuel López Obrador has also been critical of Mexico’s protracted drug war and signaled openness to a new approach.

Since leaving office in late 2006, Fox has been a vocal advocate for the legalization of medicinal and recreational marijuana, and last year joined the board of Canadian cannabis company Khiron Life Sciences.

Speaking to CNBC in London last week, Fox pointed to Colombia, parts of the U.S. and Canada as examples where relaxing the government stance on personal recreational drug use had yielded promising results.

“Watching that example, we see that in a natural way, the old illegal underground activities start to disappear by themselves, because now they don’t have a market. The market is taken by the new situation — the new products, the new corporations being provided,” he said.

“If you go to Washington state, or Seattle, you see today that many of the old places that we used to look that were underground providing product to consumers, now they have formed part of the new industry that is legal. Now, instead of committing crimes by distributing drugs, now they do it as a businessman.”

Fox added that for such transitions to work, it is important that the government does not go after distributors for past illegalities, and instead enable them to legitimize their operations instead of being forced to diversify into other criminal activities.

Where Mexican cartels relied heavily on illegal marijuana trade, other Latin American countries such as Colombia could benefit from the legalization and regulation of harder drugs, such as heroin, he suggested. Fox projected that within five years, harder drugs will begin to be legalized for medical and personal recreational use throughout Latin America.

Opponents of marijuana legalization argue that it serves as a gateway to more addictive drugs, would increase the number of car crashes relating to marijuana use and would encourage recreational use.

Fox suggested that as well as offering a way out for non-violent producers, consumers also stood to benefit from marijuana becoming part of a recognized legal and medical framework. He argued that legalization and providing information to doctors could enable them to play a role in offering guidance on moderating consumption, reducing any wider health risk from recreational use.

“Now they don’t have to buy from the black market — they can go to a dispensary or a pharmacy and get the products they want, with the additional plus that now they have the assistance of a doctor, who is going to help them consume in moderation, with knowledge and avoiding affecting their own health. Every product in this world that moves from illegal to accepted changes the total picture,” he said.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/22/vice...t-cartels.html

Could you imagine if marijuana was legal all over the USA??

It would be impossible to purchase a soda over 16 oz in NY, but all drugs are going to become legal?
 
petros
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Opponents of marijuana legalization argue that it serves as a gateway to more addictive drugs

Sugar is the gateway drug and is addictive. Sugar has done in more people than heroin and coke combined.
 
B00Mer
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Sugar is the gateway drug and is addictive. Sugar has done in more people than heroin and coke combined.

Caffeine - just had a migraine this morning.. actually for 3 days. had a 16oz coke and it's now gone. There is an addiction, Coke Cola.
 
bill barilko
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Vicente Fox is the crookedest Mexican president ever-and that's saying something.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

Caffeine - just had a migraine this morning.. actually for 3 days. had a 16oz coke and it's now gone. There is an addiction, Coke Cola.

Dehydration. Caffeine is a diuretic.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

Legalization of drugs is the way to combat cartels, former Mexican president says

Legalizing drugs is the best way to combat cartels, according to Vicente Fox, the former president of Mexico.
Mexico’s Senate is expected to vote in favor of a bill to legalize the recreational use of marijuana in the coming days, in a bid to choke off a black market dominated by violent gangs.
Several Mexican Senate committees tabled draft legislation on Thursday to make the commercial production and sale of marijuana legal, expanding on a Supreme Court decision last year which deemed the country’s ban on personal cannabis consumption and cultivation unconstitutional. Current President Andrés Manuel López Obrador has also been critical of Mexico’s protracted drug war and signaled openness to a new approach.
Since leaving office in late 2006, Fox has been a vocal advocate for the legalization of medicinal and recreational marijuana, and last year joined the board of Canadian cannabis company Khiron Life Sciences.
Speaking to CNBC in London last week, Fox pointed to Colombia, parts of the U.S. and Canada as examples where relaxing the government stance on personal recreational drug use had yielded promising results.
“Watching that example, we see that in a natural way, the old illegal underground activities start to disappear by themselves, because now they don’t have a market. The market is taken by the new situation — the new products, the new corporations being provided,” he said.
“If you go to Washington state, or Seattle, you see today that many of the old places that we used to look that were underground providing product to consumers, now they have formed part of the new industry that is legal. Now, instead of committing crimes by distributing drugs, now they do it as a businessman.”
Fox added that for such transitions to work, it is important that the government does not go after distributors for past illegalities, and instead enable them to legitimize their operations instead of being forced to diversify into other criminal activities.
Where Mexican cartels relied heavily on illegal marijuana trade, other Latin American countries such as Colombia could benefit from the legalization and regulation of harder drugs, such as heroin, he suggested. Fox projected that within five years, harder drugs will begin to be legalized for medical and personal recreational use throughout Latin America.
Opponents of marijuana legalization argue that it serves as a gateway to more addictive drugs, would increase the number of car crashes relating to marijuana use and would encourage recreational use.
Fox suggested that as well as offering a way out for non-violent producers, consumers also stood to benefit from marijuana becoming part of a recognized legal and medical framework. He argued that legalization and providing information to doctors could enable them to play a role in offering guidance on moderating consumption, reducing any wider health risk from recreational use.
“Now they don’t have to buy from the black market — they can go to a dispensary or a pharmacy and get the products they want, with the additional plus that now they have the assistance of a doctor, who is going to help them consume in moderation, with knowledge and avoiding affecting their own health. Every product in this world that moves from illegal to accepted changes the total picture,” he said.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/22/vice...t-cartels.html
Could you imagine if marijuana was legal all over the USA??
It would be impossible to purchase a soda over 16 oz in NY, but all drugs are going to become legal?

Legalizing would be smart. Check into the Four Pillars approach. Educatin is still the best defence.
 
Danbones
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trouble is:


Ship seized in $1.3 billion cocaine bust is owned by JP Morgan Chase
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ship-se...-morgan-chase/

ReasonTV

Recently, during an interview with Mexico's Televisa, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton declared that the United States can't legalize drugs "because there is just too much money in it."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXLkQVcpjmY

LeDain Commission: Final Report of the Commission of Inquiry into the Non-Medical Use of Drugs
https://archive.org/details/LeDainCo...ntroTofCToPg62

In the seventies the Canadian guv spent Millions in real money writing this report, saying the same thing Boomer just posted, then they ignored every common sense thing in it.
Last edited by Danbones; Nov 16th, 2019 at 12:05 PM..
 
taxslave
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That ship seizure is kind of a false flag. JPMorgan is almost as far removed from the cargo as the shipyard that built it.
 
Danbones
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Money Laundering and The Drug Trade: The Role of the Banks

One thing the American government has not done is to prosecute the largest banks in the world for supporting the drug cartels by washing billions of dollars of their blood stained money. As Narco sphere journalist Bill Conroy has observed banks are ”where the money is” in the global drug war.

HSBC, Western Union, Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase&Co, Citigroup, Wachovia amongst many others have allegedly failed to comply with American anti-money laundering (AML) laws.

...In March 2010 Wachovia cut a deal with the US government which involved the bank being given fines of $160 million under a ”deferred prosecution” agreement. This was due to Wachovia’s heavy involvement in money laundering moving up to $378.4 billion over several years. Not one banker was prosecuted for illegal involvement in the drugs trade. Meanwhile small time drug dealers and users go to prison...

https://www.globalresearch.ca/money-...-banks/5334205
 
AnnaEmber
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

Legalization of drugs is the way to combat cartels, former Mexican president says

Legalizing drugs is the best way to combat cartels, according to Vicente Fox, the former president of Mexico.

Really? Is that why a large section of the American population are hooked and dying on legal prescriptions?
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaEmber View Post

Really? Is that why a large section of the American population are hooked and dying on legal prescriptions?

He didn't deny that drugs have their dangers.

But this is just good sense. If you legalize drugs, you can regulate them and control the damage.

I'd also point out that throughout the 1700s and 1800s, and into the 1900s, drugs were all legal. Somehow we survived.

I'd also point out that, hands down, the most dangerous and destructive drug in North America is alcohol.

Only thing more dangerous and destructive is outlawing it, as we found out a century or so back.
 
AnnaEmber
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I don't think legalizing drugs will be safer. Maybe it might be another cash cow for gov't but people will still die and ruin their lives.
 
Mowich
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Legalization of drugs is the way to combat cartels, former Mexican president says



Legalizing drugs is the best way to combat cartels, according to Vicente Fox, the former president of Mexico.

Mexico’s Senate is expected to vote in favor of a bill to legalize the recreational use of marijuana in the coming days, in a bid to choke off a black market dominated by violent gangs.

Several Mexican Senate committees tabled draft legislation on Thursday to make the commercial production and sale of marijuana legal, expanding on a Supreme Court decision last year which deemed the country’s ban on personal cannabis consumption and cultivation unconstitutional. Current President Andrés Manuel López Obrador has also been critical of Mexico’s protracted drug war and signaled openness to a new approach.

I doubt I'll live to see the day that the US Federal government comes to its senses and legalizes marijuana, Boomer. The DEA, ATF, and other iniquitous government orgs are making way too much money with the herb staying on the banned drug list. They have free reign to confiscate all the money and goods they find when they bust someone. These are massive orgs with thousands of employees which is yet another reason the government won't act. Obama had a chance and actually promised during one of his campaigns that he would not go after states that had legalized the herb....but he wimped out too.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaEmber View Post

I don't think legalizing drugs will be safer. Maybe it might be another cash cow for gov't but people will still die and ruin their lives.

Yeah, but there won't be open warfare in Mexico and on the streets of our cities.
 
Mowich
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Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaEmber View Post

I don't think legalizing drugs will be safer. Maybe it might be another cash cow for gov't but people will still die and ruin their lives.

I'm with Tec on this, Anna. Fact is that, prior to pot becoming legal here, nothing Canada did to stop people from using pot made any real difference. They'd bust one grow-op and another would pop up down the road. And they still have yet to find a way of preventing all kinds of drugs from entering our country illegally. Millions of dollars and countless police and court hours were spent on what when used with common sense amounts to a pretty harmless drug. Thousands of people were jailed for a joint. Young lives were ruined due to a criminal record. And it made not a whit of difference. People still found a way to get their high.

I moved to this area over 37 years ago. In less than a week I found out that there were over a dozen Mom and Pop grow-ops in the area. It was an open secret. Not one of them has ever been busted and though some growers have since moved away, there are seven still in operation and doing well. Most of us like to know where our dope is coming from and having your dealer as a neighbor is an excellent way of making sure it is clean and of high quality. Besides the only way to obtain it legally would be through the mail. The cost of doing so is absurd compared to prices locally.

Prohibition didn't stop people from drinking in the states - according to some reports drinking actually increased and a lot of bad people made good money. Dope is no different. Legalization is the right thing to do.
 
Hoid
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drug legalization is not a magic cure all.

if you look at the Canadian example with weed you will note that it has not really even put a dent into the black market.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Think about it, Anna.

Legalize marijuana. It's certainly no more dangerous than alcohol. Surely we can agree on that.

Next, set up state-owned and -operated stores. You come in, you have to walk past racks and racks of information on how to get help, go up to a counter, buy one dose of heroin, coke, downers, whatever blows your skirt up, at fair market price (about 1/10 of black-market price), and you're on your way.

The user can take his hit legally and as safely as such a thing can be. No black-market gangs shooting up neighborhoods in turf wars. Way less personal and sexual slavery to whoever is providing the cash for the drugs. Use the profits to fund treatment.

And now you can, without overcrowding the prisons, impose truly draconian sentences on traffickers, like 25 years for the first offense, life without parole for a second. The reason people get into the drug trade is because it pays well when there's not a lot of other opportunity. So drain out the money, and then lock up the real psychopaths who insist on maintaining whatever black market still exists. Policing costs plummet. One of the most dangerous gangs of all, the cops, quits running around violating people's rights in the endless search for personal-use amounts of drugs.

People still overdose. People still die. But that remains true with alcohol, tobacco, and other legal but dangerous drugs.

The criminal-justice approach to drug control is an utter, absolute, expensive, life-ruining failure. It has warped individual rights and the role of police beyond recognition. Time for a new approach. Flogging the people harder has not worked.
 
Curious Cdn
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

Caffeine - just had a migraine this morning.. actually for 3 days. had a 16oz coke and it's now gone. There is an addiction, Coke Cola.

You should try tincture of arsenic. Works like a charm.

It'll clear up your Syphilis,too.
 
pgs
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Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

drug legalization is not a magic cure all.

if you look at the Canadian example with weed you will note that it has not really even put a dent into the black market.

Did you think it would ?
 
Hoid
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I was responding to the idea that making drugs illegal would put the cartels out of business.
 
Curious Cdn
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Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

I was responding to the idea that making drugs illegal would put the cartels out of business.

Makes sense!

It's worked a treat everywhere else it's been tried. Look at what an overwhealming success the American War on Drugs has been.


Not a reefer to be had there, anymore and the Hells Angels have filed for chapter 11.
 
spilledthebeer
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

Legalization of drugs is the way to combat cartels, former Mexican president says



Legalizing drugs is the best way to combat cartels, according to Vicente Fox, the former president of Mexico.

Mexico’s Senate is expected to vote in favor of a bill to legalize the recreational use of marijuana in the coming days, in a bid to choke off a black market dominated by violent gangs.

Several Mexican Senate committees tabled draft legislation on Thursday to make the commercial production and sale of marijuana legal, expanding on a Supreme Court decision last year which deemed the country’s ban on personal cannabis consumption and cultivation unconstitutional. Current President Andrés Manuel López Obrador has also been critical of Mexico’s protracted drug war and signaled openness to a new approach.

Since leaving office in late 2006, Fox has been a vocal advocate for the legalization of medicinal and recreational marijuana, and last year joined the board of Canadian cannabis company Khiron Life Sciences.

Speaking to CNBC in London last week, Fox pointed to Colombia, parts of the U.S. and Canada as examples where relaxing the government stance on personal recreational drug use had yielded promising results.

“Watching that example, we see that in a natural way, the old illegal underground activities start to disappear by themselves, because now they don’t have a market. The market is taken by the new situation — the new products, the new corporations being provided,” he said.

“If you go to Washington state, or Seattle, you see today that many of the old places that we used to look that were underground providing product to consumers, now they have formed part of the new industry that is legal. Now, instead of committing crimes by distributing drugs, now they do it as a businessman.”

Fox added that for such transitions to work, it is important that the government does not go after distributors for past illegalities, and instead enable them to legitimize their operations instead of being forced to diversify into other criminal activities.

Where Mexican cartels relied heavily on illegal marijuana trade, other Latin American countries such as Colombia could benefit from the legalization and regulation of harder drugs, such as heroin, he suggested. Fox projected that within five years, harder drugs will begin to be legalized for medical and personal recreational use throughout Latin America.

Opponents of marijuana legalization argue that it serves as a gateway to more addictive drugs, would increase the number of car crashes relating to marijuana use and would encourage recreational use.

Fox suggested that as well as offering a way out for non-violent producers, consumers also stood to benefit from marijuana becoming part of a recognized legal and medical framework. He argued that legalization and providing information to doctors could enable them to play a role in offering guidance on moderating consumption, reducing any wider health risk from recreational use.

“Now they don’t have to buy from the black market — they can go to a dispensary or a pharmacy and get the products they want, with the additional plus that now they have the assistance of a doctor, who is going to help them consume in moderation, with knowledge and avoiding affecting their own health. Every product in this world that moves from illegal to accepted changes the total picture,” he said.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/22/vice...t-cartels.html

Could you imagine if marijuana was legal all over the USA??

It would be impossible to purchase a soda over 16 oz in NY, but all drugs are going to become legal?






OHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Free hard drugs on offer and the addicts will have the aid of a doctor..............................


at the safe injection site!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But we stack actual SICK PEOPLE who worked and paid taxes..................................


on BEDS in hospital corridors !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Such WONDERFUL LIE-beral priorities!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Here is how I think we can stop the drug trade:::::::::::::;


Have lots of security cameras located in places where people frequently shoot up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Get GRAPHIC FOOTAGE of their reaction a fentanyl overdose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !



And with NO DOCTOR available to save the victim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Show the graphic footage of A BUNCH OF ADDICTS dying - to young teens..............................


and ask them if it seems like a GOOD INVESTMENT to buy that crap???????????????????????


Security cameras would also be useful for illustrating how women pay for their drugs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yes- some nicely detailed shots of hookers plying their trade to get the cash they need to get their fix!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Ask those nice sweet young teen girls what it would take to get them..........................


to volunteer to take that fat bald old fart into their MOUTHS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Some graphic cinema Verite might just cure our drug problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


AND reduce the number of Indigenous women who go missing as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Oh and we should also get some detailed shots of what a hooker looks like........................


after she has an argument with a rough John!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


A nice shot of an unidentified woman - who was probably an addict and a hooker - getting hauled out of a river etc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Wouldnt that be NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


We could help our kids make honest and sensible choices!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And yes- I know the Mexican proposal intends to offer FREE DRUGS....................................


so maybe we should have some feedback from tax payers who will be screaming:


"YOU WANT US TO PAY HOW MUCH FOR A BUNCH OF USELESS DRUG ADDICTED MOUTHS"????????????????????


As it stands now we cannot even supply affordable housing in Toronto.................................


we cannot afford new public transit in our cities................................


our infrastructure is collapsing................................


raw sewage is leaking into rivers and oceans with every rain.............................


we are allegedly in the midst of a climate emergency.....................................


Our idiot Boy Justin and his loser LIE-berals plan to run a STEADY SERIES of $20 billion dollar deficits..............................


from now until we throw them out.........................................



so HOW IN HELL are we going to ALSO support a HORDE of drug addicts in the comfort that LIE-berals would like them to become



accustomed to??????????????????????????/
 
AnnaEmber
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Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

I'm with Tec on this, Anna.

Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Think about it, Anna. Legalize marijuana. It's certainly no more dangerous than alcohol. Surely we can agree on that.

lol It's one thing to legalize pot and another thing entirely to legalize coke, H, crack, etc. People that didn't have the nerve to try it before will have easier access to it. The stuff is far beyond recreational.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

drug legalization is not a magic cure all.
if you look at the Canadian example with weed you will note that it has not really even put a dent into the black market.

It is not exactly legal in Canada yet either. The government set up their so called legalization to be a cash cow. Only problem is they sell an inferior product at a userous price. The smart thing would have been to just make it legal and get the growers to pay income tax on their profit just like any other farmer.
 
Cannuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Legalizing would be smart.

Thanks Trudeau
 
spilledthebeer
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck View Post

Thanks Trudeau




Legalization of hard drugs would ENSURE a REVOLUTION in Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And it WOULD NOT BENEFIT LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Here is an article illustrating the LOW level of success our LIE-beral overlords and their poverty pimp allies are having in treating drug addicts!!



With some comments of my own in brackets):

'Terrible, terrible tragedy' at Surrey recovery home should have been preventable

By Daphne Bramham, Vancouver Sun

Published December 5, 2019

Burned-out recovery house operated by Step by Step, on 138A Street in Surrey.

Late last month, a man in his 30s with a long history of addiction doused himself with gasoline and set himself on fire in the garage of a Surrey recovery house.

Two other residents went to hospital and were treated for smoke inhalation as a result of the two-alarm fire.

(We should be concerned about the staggering cost of treating addicts as well as their recidivism rate that requires repeated treatments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

The B.C. Coroners Service is investigating. So is the Surrey fire department.

Self-immolation is tragedy enough. But what makes it worse is that the man’s death is directly attributable to years of appalling neglect. For two decades, B.C. failed to regulate residential addiction treatment facilities or ensure that they met even the most basic standards.

(WE need to consider that PREVENTION is probably more effective than a cure!! One only has to think of the crimes committed by addicts seeking their next fix and there is the cost of cops and court proceedings when they get arrested; and of course they need food and shelter and clothing in between fixes; and there is the cost of the “safe injection sites” and medical staff; plus the homeless shelters that always seem to be grossly over budget just to set up and costly to operate as well!!)

(Even worse- many addicts get started while young and their education and employment opportunities are wrecked - meaning they spend a life time on social assistance even after they sober up!! I know a guy who has been on Methadone for many years and he has NOTHING but his welfare cash - thus he is a one man petty crime wave- stealing gas and food and clothing to supplement his income since he has nothing left to lose but his freedom - so he is routinely out on parole!!!!!!!!!!!)

The man, who has not been officially identified, died in a government-registered treatment home where he was supposed to be monitored, supervised and helped to attain long-term recovery.

What intensifies the tragedy is that his was the third death in a year in a house run by Step by Step Recovery Society. One of the society’s five directors, Debbie Johnson, owns the house at 138A Street that was badly damaged in the fire.

Between November 2018 and March 2019, there were 65 separate breaches of the Assisted Living Registry’s regulations at the five Surrey houses that the society was operating.

Those infractions — the most recent of which were investigated in March — range from inadequate food to unqualified staff to unsafe facilities to failure to ensure residents are not a danger to themselves or others.

(All these infractions indicate that society simply cannot cope effectively with drug addicts!! It also indicates that ordinary people disagree with the LIE-beral line that addicts are victims entitled to our sympathy as we KNOW that addicts MADE THAT CHOICE to start using their drugs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(The mental condition that promotes such hard core addiction is too often UNTREATABLE and our bankrupt society is unwilling to spend the time and money to offer more comprehensive supervision to prevent such tragedies!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(Many people are more interested in prevention - by such methods as tracking the sale of chemicals that are used to produce drugs like Amphetamines and by ramping up border inspections to block shipments of drugs to Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

At the house on 138A Street where the most recent death occurred, there were 11 substantiated complaints. Only one was dealt with, according to the most recent report posted on the Assisted Living Registry’s website .

(This illustrates the hopeless circular logic of idiot LIE-berals - regular complaints should be a red flag but if such places are closed down then the poverty pimps will kick up a fuss over where the displaced addicts will end up!! And of course the usual cabal of airheads will cry that we must SAVE THE ADDICTS - even though addicts are working so very hard to kill themselves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(One has to think that more effective PREVENTION would be preferable to these half assed cures!! But cops and jails cost GRAVY that LIE-berals want for themselves and for their allies so no real action is taken!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

The pest control people did get rid of the mice.

But, according to the report, no action had been taken to address verified complaints about safety, about untrained, unqualified staff, and about the lack of any psychosocial supports aimed at helping people attain long-term recovery.

(Such solutions cost money and NONE is available as the nation is BROKE!! Besides the poverty pimps that run these places seem to RESENT govt interference and criticism and thus they often RESIST responding honestly to complaints!! People in Toronto will be familiar with the bitter anger locals often direct at the out of control behaviour of addicts living in homeless shelters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

The society voluntarily closed two of its houses earlier this year.

But of the three still on the registry, all have substantiated complaints that haven’t been dealt with. In March, nothing had been done at the houses on 78A Avenue and 97A Avenue that were deemed unsafe for the needs of residents. Verified complaints posted in February about safety and the quality and training of staff remained outstanding.

(“Unsafe for the needs of the tenants”? That is a VAGUE statement and we ought to ask what it means?? Is the place a FIRE HAZARD?? Or does it house unsupervised violence prone loons or thieves?????????????????)

The question that screams for an answer is: Why wasn’t Step by Step shut down earlier?

(LIE-berals see addicts and drug dealers and poverty pimps as a voting block to be mined for LIE-beral support - thus such “callous” shuttering of “treatment centres” is not acceptable to them!! It is better to LOOK GOOD and BUY VOTES than to be responsible to tax payers or to addicts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

The legislation didn’t allow it. The Assisted Living Registry had no power to take immediate action to suspend or attach conditions to a registration.

(And local govt will NOT use zoning or fire regulations to curb stupid activities - for fear of losing votes!!!!!)

Instead, all that the registry staff could do was try to work with the operator to get them to conform.

(One has to ask if the Registry was getting any govt grants - as seems to be so common with these groups?????????)

There are dozens of other niggling questions. If this were a well-staffed facility, someone might have realized that the man was struggling before he went to the garage. If it were a well-run, supportive house, it’s unlikely he would have had access to gasoline.

(They are ADDICTS - they are ALL STRUGGLING and will do so for the rest of their lives!! And the only way to prevent such people from getting access to gasoline is to lock them up - which LIE-berals REFUSE to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

With better rules and oversight, those other two deaths at Step by Step might not have occurred either, and maybe other deaths could have been avoided over the past two decades.

(Better rules and oversight cost money that is not available - and I have had exposure to two shelters near where I live - and the fact is that one overnight supervisor CANNOT ride herd on half a dozen troubled inmates!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Two decades. That’s how long B.C. went without any regulation of residential treatment centres.

That finally changed on Dec. 1 — 21 years after a previous NDP government brought in regulations only to have them scrapped in 2001 by the B.C. Liberal government that described them as too onerous.

(“Onerous to who”?? Were the regulations seen as a bother by poverty pimps?????)

The Liberals did promise new and improved rules in 2016 after a Surrey mom was killed outside a hockey arena by a resident of one of the unregulated facilities. But those rules were never enacted.

(Ah yes- LIE-beral care for the public welfare on FULL display- bury the victim and MOVE ON to more interesting subjects!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

In 2017, a coroners’ jury recommended regulations following a 20-year-old man’s overdose death in a Powell River treatment centre. Those regulations were finally released in August 2019 and operators — including Step by Step — were given three months to get ready for the changes.

In the last four days, the registrar has cancelled all five of Step by Step’s registrations. A letter has gone to the operator. And, according to the emailed response from an addictions ministry spokesperson, the operator is “expected to begin an orderly transition of current residents to other registered supportive recovery homes.”

The email also said that Surrey’s bylaw department will work with the operator to place the remaining residents to ensure that no one is left homeless as a result of the closures.

(Uh huh - and HOW will Surrey bylaw HOGS find homes for penniless addicts if there is not room at the Inn?? Landlords are often highly reluctant to rent to addicts due to the issues such tenants OFTEN bring with them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

It’s a glimmer of good news. But it all happened four days too late for the unnamed man, for 21-year-old Zachary Plett, whose family will grimly mark the first anniversary of his death at Step by Step last Dec. 15. And it comes nearly 13 months after Step by Step staff took two full days to discover the body of a 35-year-old who overdosed in the house on Christmas Eve.

(I believe dying by burning would be the MOST HORRIBLE way to go - thus the guy who would set himself on fire is working with some TRULY TERRIFYING emotional troubles!! Such a person needs to be LOCKED UP - and not merely checked on in his room a couple of times per day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

“Why they had to wait to get these regulations in place is beyond me,” Zachary’s mother Maggie Plett said Thursday. “They should have been done sooner.

“It’s just a terrible, terrible tragedy.”

Recovery house regulations timeline:

(And the time line details reveal IT IS ALL ABOUT COST AND MONEY that we do not have!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

1998: The NDP government brings in the first regulations under the Community Care Facilities Act.

2001: The B.C. Liberal government scrapped those regulations as part of its deregulation drive, declaring the requirements too onerous.

2014: A Surrey mother is murdered outside a hockey arena by a man living at one of the unregistered houses. At the time, Surrey alone had as many as 250 flophouses purporting to offer supportive housing for recovering addicts.

(Flophouse is such an ugly name- much better to be an “assisted living facility”!!!!!!)

2016: In the spring’s Throne Speech, B.C. Liberals promise regulations, enforcement and a public registry.

In December, Surrey council voted to require all recovery houses to have business licenses, capping the number at 55 and requiring all of them to be listed on the B.C. government’s Assisted Living Registry.

The amendments to the Community Care and Assisted Living Act were never enacted or enforced.

2018: The B.C. coroners’ review of an overdose death in a Sechelt recovery house recommended that by September 2019 there needed to be better regulations for public and private residential addiction treatment facilities, as well as heightened enforcement.

The government agreed and set up a committee to develop standards to “help ensure quality and consistency and enhance understanding of the services across the province.”

April 2019: The deadline set by the coroner for a progress report came and went, but in a letter from the Ministry of Mental Health and Addictions in May, it promised to have a final report ready for September.

August 2019: Addictions Minister Judy Darcy announces that the 2016 regulations will finally be enacted along with some additional requirements on Dec. 1. To prepare for the changes, the government offered $4,000 in grants to operators licensed by the health authorities or registered by the ALR to offset staff training costs as well as an increase in per-diem rates for residents after more than a decade of having been stuck at $35.90.

(So the “solution” is more gravy- good money after bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
 
Hoid
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

It is not exactly legal in Canada yet either. The government set up their so called legalization to be a cash cow. Only problem is they sell an inferior product at a userous price. The smart thing would have been to just make it legal and get the growers to pay income tax on their profit just like any other farmer.

the problem is that they set it up just like a farm has to operate
 
petros
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#28
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

the problem is that they set it up just like a farm has to operate

What is that supposed to mean?
 
Hoid
+1
#29
they should have just legalized it for home/self growing.

instead they tried to turn it into an industry
 
petros
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#30
It is legal to grow your own.

5 plants at a time. That's an lb or more every three months.