A Rational Conversation about Climate Change


Dixie Cup
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https://youtu.be/KvnUXo4b0fA
 
petros
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You'd think it's rational but to the ecofascists it's Evil Ben.
 
spilledthebeer
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

You'd think it's rational but to the ecofascists it's Evil Ben.




YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW.............................


WHEN THE RATIONAL PART OF THE CLIMATE CHANGE DISCUSSION MIGHT START!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Late in their mandate- Wynne-bag LIE-berals seriously considered BANNING ALL natural gas fueled appliances in Ontari-owe- meaning gas furnaces, gas stoves and gas bar-becues and etc............................................... ....


and then FORCING people to by all new ELECTRIC POWERED appliances!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The idea of forcing people to throw away brand new appliances was bad enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But the forced change over to electricity was EVEN WORSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The KEY PROBLEM is EFFICIENCY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Your natural gas furnace uses and recovers over 90 percent of the energy fed into it as it creates heat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As your furnace burns- the dangerous fumes go up the chimney....................................


but the heat the furnace generates is TRAPPED in your house!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


THIS IS NOT CASE with natural gas fueled electric generators!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!


The natural gas fueled electric generators are HUGE STEAM ENGINES........................................


and they operate at about 70 percent efficiency........................................ .............


a natural gas powered steam engine LEAKS A LOT MORE HEAT from pipes and vents and steam lines etc.................................... than the furnace in your basement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


THE STEAM from the natural gas generator contains heat ENERGY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And yet quantities of steam are VENTED and heat is lost from a steam engine as if it was useless exhaust!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


This is why your home furnace runs at NINETY PERCENT efficiency........................................ .....


while natural ga fueled steam generators run at SEVENTY PERCENT efficiency!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!



Making Ontari-owe home owners switch from natural gas appliances over to electrically powered units would BE VERY GOOD for LIE-beral electricity sales!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!


Which is why LIE-berals LIKED THE IDEA.............................................. ...


think of all that Hydro One GRAVY - for HOGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!


And then think of all the sales tax on new electrical appliances - FOR HOGS............................................


not to mention all the business generated as people got their homes rewired for that "better living through electricity" SCAM that LIE-berals wanted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And then understand that switching to all electric appliances would ACTUALLY FORCE MAJOR INCREASES in the use of natural gas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



To generate the extra electricity we needed using those 70 percent steam engines versus 90 percent efficiency home gas furnaces!!!!!!



And of course LIE-berals are DEADLY SERIOUS about making us STOP using ANY fossil fuel ........................................


FOR ANY REASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!


LIE-berals talk themselves in MORE CIRCLES when they speak of creating an electricity grid powered by renewable energy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals IGNORE the reality of our Circadian Rhythms and PRETEND that we are not geared to DAYLIGHT operations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals KNOW VERY WELL that whenever possible we want to operate in the daylight........................................


LIE-berals PRETEND we can operate in daylight and use electric TOY cars that recharge at night using renewable energy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



But it is during daylight that renewable energy is most efficient......................................... ....


At night- the sun is of course - GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And at night the wind DIES DOWN............................................


Renewable energy production in Ontari-owe falls to NEARLY ZERO at night!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals know their idea of an electric car future fueled by renewable energy IS BULLSH+T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And LIE-berals know that the alleged green advantage of electric TOY cars is NOT NEARLY as green as they want to PRETEND!!!!!!!


Electric TOY car sales are SLOW mainly because of range and refueling issues!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And LIE-berals know that electric TOY green efficiency is affected by HOW electricity is generated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!


LIE-berals DO NOT want to discuss the reality that if we did adopt electric TOY cars in a big way.......................................


we would need a corresponding MAJOR INCREASE in either nuclear power generation OR more natural gas steam generators!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals are talking themselves in CIRCLES YET AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



But LIE-berals DO NOT want to discuss the massive conflict between electric car customer desires and LIE-beral green propaganda meisters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Electric TOY car buyers DEMAND LONGER TOY RANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But the amount of energy consumed in producing batteries for the electric TOYS IS HUGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Producing the batteries is the MAJOR energy consuming component of the electric TOY car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The longer the TOY range.....................the less green the machine is................................................


because of all the energy needed to produce the bigger battery!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And considering a Lithium toy car battery is expected last TEN YEARS before its range become so limited it is CRIPPLED beyond reasonable use.....................



LIE-berals are STUCK in an electric TOY car contradiction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The electric TOYS that customers want to buy are MUCH LESS GREEN than the electric TOYS that LIE-berals want us to BUY!!!!!!!!!!!


Voters are ALREADY DISGUSTED with LIE-beral manipulation of our electrical system!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Voters are ALREADY DISGUSTED with LIE-beral financial games related to electric TOY car subsidies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Voters are ALREADY DISGUSTED with LIE-beral screw ups and SCANDALS related to LIE-beral contracts for "fast electric chargers in public places!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Voters are ALREADY DISGUSTED with LIE-berals who blithely assume they can DESTROY our lives.............................


while using OUR GRAVY to maintain THEIR carbon rich life style!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Ron in Regina
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Quote: Originally Posted by Dixie Cup View Post

https://youtu.be/KvnUXo4b0fA

Interesting. Here's more detail: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R31SXuFeX0A
Itís an interview with Randall Carlson. Very very knowledgeable on many many subjects. Even if somebody just watches the first hour itís an eye-opener. This is somebody who doesnít have a dog in the fight, but a very very smart person.
 
Ron in Regina
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...and if this is going to be a Rational Conversation about Climate Change....lets get this 97% sidetrack out of the way early:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewJ6TI8ccAw

 
spaminator
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

...and if this is going to be a Rational Conversation about Climate Change....lets get this 97% sidetrack out of the way early:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ewJ6TI8ccAw

link clickable here
 
B00Mer
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The climate has been changing for a billion years and will continue to change for another billion.

Can you get any more rational??