The Rise Of The Fourth Reich


moghrabi
#1
The Rise Of The Fourth Reich


Everyone likes to say, "Hitler did this", and, "Hitler did that". But the truth is Hitler did very little. He was a world class tyrant, but the evil actually done by the Third Reich, from the death camps to WW2 was all done by German citizens who were afraid to question if what they were told by their government was the truth or not, and who because they did not want to admit to themselves that they were afraid to question the government, refused to see the truth behind the Reichstag Fire, refused to see the invasion by Poland was a staged fake, and followed Hitler into national disaster.
The German people of the late 1930s imagined themselves to be brave. They saw themselves as the heroic Germans depicted by the Wagnerian Operas, the descendants of the fierce Germanic warriors who had hunted wild boar with nothing but spears and who had defeated three of Rome's mightiest legions in the Tuetenberg Forest.

But in truth, by the 1930s, the German people had become civilized and tamed, culturally obsessed with fine details in both science and society. Their self-image of bravery was both salve and slavery. Germans were required to behave as if they were brave, even when they were not.

It's easy to look back and realize what a jerk Hitler was. But at the time, Hitler looked pretty good to the German people, with the help of the media. He was TIME Magazine's Man Of The Year in 1938. The German people assumed they were safe from a tyrant. They lived in a Republic, after all, with strict laws regarding what the government could and more importantly could not do. Their leader was a devoutly religious man, and had even sung with the boy's choir of a monastery in his youth.

The reality was that the German people, as individuals, had lost their courage. The German government preferred it that way as a fearful people are easier to rule than a courageous one. But the German people didn't wish to lose their self-image of courage. So, when confronted with a situation demanding individual courage, in the form of a government gone wrong, the German people simply pretended that the situation did not exist. And in that simple self-deception lay the ruin of an entire nation and the coming of the second World War.

When the Reichstag burned down, most Germans simply refused to believe suggestions that the fire had been staged by Hitler himself. They were afraid to. But so trapped were the Germans by their belief in their own bravery that they willed themselves to be blind to the evidence before their eyes, so that they could nod in agreement with Der Fuhrer while still imagining themselves to have courage, even as they avoided the one situation which most required real courage; to stand up to Hitler's lies and deceptions.

When Hitler requested temporary extraordinary powers, powers specifically banned under German law, but powers Hitler claimed he needed to have to deal with the "terrorists", the German people, having already sold their souls to their self-delusions, agreed. The temporary powers were conferred, and once conferred lasted until Germany itself was destroyed.

When Hitler staged a phony invasion from Poland, the vast majority of the German people, their own self-image dependant on continuing blindness to Hitler's deceptions, did not question why Poland would have done something so stupid, and found themselves in a war.

But Hitler knew he ruled a nation of cowards, and knew he had to spend the money to make the new war something cowards could fight and win. He decorated his troops with regalia to make them proud of themselves, further trapping them in their self-image. Hitler copied the parade regalia of ancient Rome, to remind the Germans of the defeat of the legions at the Tuetenberg Forest. Talismans were added from orthodox religions and the occult to fill the soldiers with delusions of mystical strengths and an afterlife if they fell in battle. Finally, knowing that it takes courage to kill the enemy face to face, Hitler spent vast sums of money on his wonder weapons, airplanes, submarines, ultra-long range artillery, the world's first cruise missile and the world's first guided missile, weapons that could be used to kill at a distance, so that those doing the killing need not have to face the reality of what they were doing.

The German people were lured into WW2 not because they were brave, but because they were cowards who wanted to be seen as brave, and found that shooting long range weapons at people they could not see took less courage than standing up to Hitler. Sent into battle by that false image of courage, the Germans were dependent on their wonder-weapons. When the wonder-weapons stopped working, the Germans lost the war.

I remember as a child listening to the stories of WW2 from my grandfather and my uncles who had served in Europe. I wondered how the German people could have been so stupid as to have ever elected Hitler dog catcher, let alone leader of the nation. Such is the clarity of historical hindsight. And with that clarity, I see the exact same mechanism that Hitler used at work here in this nation.

The American people imagine themselves to be brave. They see themselves as the heroic Americans depicted by Western Movies, the descendants of the fierce patriot warriors who had tamed the frontier and defeated the might of the British Empire.

But in truth, by the dawn of the third millennium, the American people have become civilized and tamed, culturally obsessed with fine details in both science and society. Their self-image of bravery is both salve and slavery. Americans are required to behave as if they are brave, even when they are not.

The American people assume they are safe. They live in a Republic, after all, with strict laws regarding what the government can and more importantly cannot do. Their leader is a devoutly religious man.

The reality is that the American people, as individuals, have lost their courage. The government prefers it that way as a fearful people are easier to rule than a courageous one. But Americans don't wish to lose their self-image of courage. So, when confronted with a situation demanding courage, in the form of a government gone wrong, the American people simply pretend that the situation does not exist.

When the World Trade Towers collapsed, most Americans simply refused to believe suggestions that the attacks had been staged by parties working for the US Government itself. Americans were afraid to, even as news reports surfaced proving that the US Government had announced plans for the invasion of Afghanistan early in the year, plans into which the attacks on the World Trade Towers which angered the American people into support of the already-planned war fit entirely too conveniently. But so trapped are Americans by their belief in their own bravery that they will themselves to be blind to the evidence before their eyes, so that they can nod in agreement with the government while still imagining themselves to have courage, even as they avoid the one situation which most requires real courage; to stand up to the government's lies and deceptions. The vast majority of the American people, their own self-image dependant on continuing blindness to the government's deceptions, never question why Afghanistan would have done something so stupid as to attack the United States, and as a result, Americans find themselves in a war.

Now the US Government has requested temporary extraordinary powers, powers specifically banned under Constitutional law, but powers the government is claiming they need to have to deal with the "terrorists". The American people, having already sold their souls to their self-delusions, are agreeing. The temporary powers recently conferred will be no more temporary in America than they were in Germany.

The US Government knows they rule a nation of cowards. The government has had to spend the money to make the new war something cowards can fight. The government has decorated the troops with regalia to make them proud of themselves, further trapping them in their self-image. Talismans are added from orthodox religions and the occult to fill the soldiers with delusions of mystical strengths and an afterlife if they fall in battle. Finally, knowing that it takes courage to kill the enemy face to face, the United States government has spent vast sums of money on wonder weapons, airplanes, submarines, ultra-long range artillery, cruise missiles, and guided missiles, weapons that kill at a distance, so that those doing the killing need not have to face the reality of what they are doing.

As I mentioned above, Hitler was TIME Magazine's Man Of The Year in 1938. Stalin was TIME Magazine's Man Of The Year for 1939 and 1942. Both of these men, and many others also celibrated by the media, were unimaginable monsters. The lesson from these facts is that it isn't easy to spot a genocidal tyrant when you live with one, especially one whom the press supports and promotes. Tyrants become obvious only when looking back, after what they have done becomes known. The German people did not stand up to Hitler because their media betrayed them, just as the American media is betraying the American people by willingly, voluntarily, even proudly, abandoning its traditional role as watchdog against government abuse.

It is the very nature of power that it attracts the sort of people who should not have it. The United States, as the world's last superpower, is a prize that attracts men and women willing to do absolutely anything to win that power, and hence are also willing to do absolutely anything with that power once they have it. If one thinks about it long enough, one will realize that all tyrants, past and most especially present, MUST use deception on their population to initiate a war. No citizen of a modern industrialized nation will send their children off to die in a war to grab another nation's resources and assets, yet resources and assets are what all wars are fought over. The nation that wishes to initiate a war of conquest must create the illusion of an attack or a threat to start a war, and must always give their population of cowards an excuse never to question that carefully crafted illusion.

It is naive, not to mention racist to assume that tyrants appear only in other nations and that somehow America is immune simply because we're Americans. America has escaped the clutches of a dictatorship thus far only through the efforts of those citizens who, unlike the Germans of the 1930s, have the moral courage to stand up and point out where the government is lying to the people. And unless more Americans are willing to have that kind of individual courage, then future generations may well look back on the American people with the same harshness of judgement with which we look back on the 1930s Germans.
 
Rick van Opbergen
#2
Laissez faire, laissez passer... I learned that's the best way to describe how a majority of Germans thought about Hitler ... As long as he and his Nazis do not affect me, I'm fine with it .... The US has a vocal society. If you believe that president Bush is a bastard, you can say he's a bastard. I'm not aware of any American Dachau's where political opponents are being imprisoned. How much I regret it that Bush is now the leader of the world's most powerful nation, the US society is different on a lot of fronts compared to Nazi Germany in the 1930's, and a distinction should be made what is realistically possible, and what some people want to see happening in the near future.
 
HousesOfApollo
#3
Wow, I can't really add anything to that, except that I have made similar observations. There is no more courage in America, we are a race of nuetered cowards. Our elected officials do nothing to protect our basic rights, and our opposition party, the Democratic Party, has been cowardly for far too long. We are trying to get people with backbone into the party leadership. We want people who are going to organize protests, filibusters, and just basically OPPOSE everything this goverment does. OF course we'll be branded traitors, but we don't stand a chance otherwise. Good post, I always can tell that a post is good if I don't anything to add on to it.
 
Rick van Opbergen
#4
What do you mean with "our elected officials do nothing to protect our basic rights"?
 
HousesOfApollo
#5
I mean, look at our senate, look at our house; they approve every this president does. Usually we would have people objecting to an angenda this radical, even Republicans. But now the Republicans just steamroll a minority of Democrats, and the Democrats haven't been fighting as hard as they should have; that better freaking change. Our winner-take-all system quashes any sort of dissent from the minority party. As I have said already, all we've have left is the filibuster.
 
Reverend Blair
#6
That's something I've always disliked about the US system. I like the idea of checks and balances, but I wonder what would happen to an American politician in Canada.

Can you imagine George Bush having to take a daily pounding in Question Period? Can you imagine him having to face a media scrum every day?

In Canada's parliamentary system, the government has to answer criticism every day. It's on TV. Hansard...a word for word transcription...is available on the internet in both official languages.
 
HousesOfApollo
#7
Heh. George Bush couldn't even stand up to about an hour-half long 'debate', and even then it was a joke. The media always gave the last word, and threw him softballs. George Bush would have been chewed up and crapped out of any decent political system. Dean would have done well in Canada, and he probably would've been popular. But any Republican? Hell no, those people don't have to answer to anybody.
 
Rick van Opbergen
#8
I also dislike the US voting system, but is that merely the fault of the Republicans? Isn't that the fault of the US citizens, who can lobby for another voting system?
 
Reverend Blair
#9
The US doesn't really have a voting system, that's the problem. Each state has its own rules. It leads to a bizarre mish-mash of rules that nobody fully understands.
 
Rick van Opbergen
#10
I've heard the same yes, during the last elections there was an expert on Dutch television who explained how in Michigan, you can live in one voting district and vote for this, this, this and this, and live in another voting district nearby and elect for all different posts.
 
HousesOfApollo
#11
It's a very archiac system. And you think about all the different counties, and how you voting system can differ even on a county-by-county basis. In Ohio they put a lot of DIEBOLD theft machines only in Democratic counties, while the Republicans still voted by the accurate paper-ballots. Most Americans just don't care about this, there's no mass outrage against this. I guess you could blame it on the school system, they don't teach civics, they don't teach critical thinking. American Education is pretty much just memorizing facts and figures, but it hardly ever involved actually trying to think with the new information. So what you get is a population of drones, who do what they are told. They just don't care, and I'm considered one of the 'Screw ups'.
 
moghrabi
#12
It is a screwed up system made to be able to cheat it anytime you want. It happened as far back as the 1900's. I bet they have a better system in Angola. LOL
 
Rick van Opbergen
#13
I do find it awkward such a developed nation has such an ehm underdeveloped voting system.
 
moghrabi
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by HousesOfApollo

It's a very archiac system. And you think about all the different counties, and how you voting system can differ even on a county-by-county basis. In Ohio they put a lot of DIEBOLD theft machines only in Democratic counties, while the Republicans still voted by the accurate paper-ballots. Most Americans just don't care about this, there's no mass outrage against this. I guess you could blame it on the school system, they don't teach civics, they don't teach critical thinking. American Education is pretty much just memorizing facts and figures, but it hardly ever involved actually trying to think with the new information. So what you get is a population of drones, who do what they are told. They just don't care, and I'm considered one of the 'Screw ups'.

But I always been told by tour media that the US has the highest educated people in the world. While the people of the third world country have a much lower education. I know few Iraqis who earned their PhD and they are what I call educated.
 
Rick van Opbergen
#15
That people don't care does not have to mean they are low educated right?
 
moghrabi
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by Rick van Opbergen

I do find it awkward such a developed nation has such an ehm underdeveloped voting system.

Rick,

You are falling for the same trick. Developed country. Do not look at how beautiful the building look or how tall they are. Look deeper. The American society really is not as developed as we might like to think.
 
Rick van Opbergen
#17
Well according to the Human Development Report by the UN it is.
 
moghrabi
#18
UN = US

They say whatever they are told to say.
 
Rick van Opbergen
#19
moghrabi, I would like to advice you to read which persons produce the HDR. "UN = US" is the cheapest answer you can answer, sorry.
 
Rick van Opbergen
#20
And have you ever read the HDR? Do you know what it's about?
 
moghrabi
#21
Yes I do know. And I stick to my guns that the UN is run by the US. The answer is not cheap but RIGHT.
 
Rick van Opbergen
#22
The fact that the US pays the largest sum does not mean the UN isn't a representation of global governance.
 
moghrabi
#23
The UN is not a good representation of global governance.

You also mentioned that the US pays the largest sum. I am still waiting for them to pay up.
 
Rick van Opbergen
#24
I do not say the UN is perfect, actually, they've pretty much agreed that it should be reformed. But still, it is a form of global governance, the UN is more than the Security Council.

And in what lies the assumption US = UN if you question the fact whether they have paid their share; on what other fields does the US control the UN in that case?
 
moghrabi
#25
Why then the UN won't ask the world to go after Israel and bomb the shit out of it as they did in Iraq? Because the US vetoed every single resolution regarding Israel.

The same applies to a lot of other issues. How come the UN does not have a resolution against the US for illegally invading Iraq based on lies and greed?
 
Rick van Opbergen
#26
moghrabi, what you are describing is a small faction of the UN (though getting most of the attention). I don't agree with them. The US has the right to veto (they did it 76 times). So have countries like Russia (120 times), the UK (32 times), France (18 times) and China (5 times).
 
moghrabi
#27
not all of your numbers against Israel. Fair is fair. If the UN is functional (and it is not) then Israel must number one country to be punished for Human rights abuses, illegal occupation etc......
 
Rick van Opbergen
#28
moghrabi, I totally agree, but as you know, the UN can condemn, but not punish directly. You can bring Israel to the International Court of Justice, but Israel has not signed its treaty. And applying for a boycott has already been done before (Iraq - and heavily criticized), and in a weird way it would be unfair for those 100 other countries in the world where human rights are seriously offended ... But as I said: the UN is much more than decision making about Israel.
 
HousesOfApollo
#29
No, by no means. They could be great doctors, lawyers, programmers etc. etc. What I was saying is that they're not taught to be very politically astute, we are ignorant of our own system. So not poorly educated, just ignorant of some VERY important things. People can be well-educated, but be terrible citizens.
 
Rick van Opbergen
#30
Well yea, that's how I think about it too.
 

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