Jason Kenney should hold referendum Alberta sovereignty


Cannuck
#61
Calm down
 
Twin_Moose
#62
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Resources belong to whoever owns them - and whoever sells them pays the federal government a fee or tax or "excise"

Then why is the royalty fight between the resource extraction companies and the Provincial Gov. and not the Fed. Gov? Excise tax is placed on fuel for road maintenance.
 
Hoid
#63
What on Earth is the fderal government's interest in oil and gas anyway?

White natty desperately wants to understand.
 
B00Mer
+1
#64
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

What on Earth is the fderal government's interest in oil and gas anyway?
White natty desperately wants to understand.

Duh, let me see Yogi!!

Tax revenue *light buld turns on for Hoid*
 
taxslave
+3
#65
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Resources belong to whoever owns them - and whoever sells them pays the federal government a fee or tax or "excise"

Jeezzus you are stupid. Resources belong to the provinces who lease the rights to extract. The feds just skim.
 
Hoid
#66
Yes the provinces agreed that they would control the resources and the feds would control the sale of the resources.

Thats the deal.

If that deal was terminated wouldn't it terminate the provincial control of the resource?
 
Twin_Moose
+4
#67
The Feds have no control on the sales, they have been trying to since 1976, they think they found the backdoor through Carbon pollution to get their hands on resource revenue.
 
Hoid
#68
https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia....tion-of-powers

in fact since 1976 there have been more powers moved to the provinces.


"Provincial jurisdiction over natural resources was enlarged, in 1982, to include shared power in inter-provincial commerce and extra-territorial marketing (though with federal paramountcy). The provinces have also been granted the power of indirect taxation of their natural resources (see Intergovernmental Finance)."
 
taxslave
+2
#69
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia....tion-of-powers
in fact since 1976 there have been more powers moved to the provinces.
"Provincial jurisdiction over natural resources was enlarged, in 1982, to include shared power in inter-provincial commerce and extra-territorial marketing (though with federal paramountcy). The provinces have also been granted the power of indirect taxation of their natural resources (see Intergovernmental Finance)."

Which has squat to do with ownership of said resources.
 
Hoid
#70
It has to do with you gets paid.

If you think the feds don't get paid you may want to reread. Or maybe have someone give you the gist.
 
MHz
-1
#71
Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

MHz, I swear you only have a head on your shoulders to hold your ears..

I c unt hear you, you little cu nt.

Typed that parameter into the ignore thingy and 'poof' you were MIA. 'Ezekiel the Sorcerer' would be proud, Yes?
 
MHz
#72
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Jeezzus you are stupid. Resources belong to the provinces who lease the rights to extract. The feds just skim.

Case #1 Who owns the sand the is left when the tar is taken out of the 'tar-sands'?
Case #2 Who owns the raw product this is below the oil content required my current mining methods?

Case #3 Who owns the tailing pile once the diamonds have been extracted?


Can the owners invite 3rd parties to do their own R&D if the product is shipped to their facility and that facility is located as close to the point of origin by rail as possible. Swan Hills would be it's destination after further processing. Perhaps 'dustless gravel' even in the middle of a dry-spell if it us 'jello-like' at the moment.
The material from the diamond mine would need a heavy rail. 4 lines, the middle 2 are extraction and the outside 2 are incoming empty and all share the same 'buoyant ties' that all 4 rails are connected to.
 
B00Mer
+1
#73
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

I c unt hear you, you little cu nt.
Typed that parameter into the ignore thingy and 'poof' you were MIA. 'Ezekiel the Sorcerer' would be proud, Yes?

Go take your meds.
 
taxslave
+2
#74
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

It has to do with you gets paid.
If you think the feds don't get paid you may want to reread. Or maybe have someone give you the gist.

Skimming and owning are not the same thing.
 
Hoid
#75
The provinces and the federal government are joined in a complex arrangement.

If a province was to separate - and it has not even been determined they could do that - they can't simply say we are leaving and we are taking what we want to take and leaving what we want to leave.

It would be a complicated thing.
Last edited by Hoid; May 8th, 2019 at 10:22 AM..
 
White_Unifier
#76
If Alberta separated from Canada, it's clear that Alberta would then manage those resources. They'd clearly fall under the jurisdiction of the Alberta.
 
MHz
#77
Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck View Post

Calm down

No, if something isn't done soon this will be the only topic for the next few years.
 
Hoid
#78
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

If Alberta separated from Canada, it's clear that Alberta would then manage those resources. They'd clearly fall under the jurisdiction of the Alberta.

And Canada would get nothing?

Clearly?
 
MHz
#79
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

If Alberta separated from Canada, it's clear that Alberta would then manage those resources. They'd clearly fall under the jurisdiction of the Alberta.

Hahahahahaaha. Of course we would Dear as we also secretly own all these corporations.

. . . as well as being James Bond and Moriarty at the same time.
 
White_Unifier
#80
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

And Canada would get nothing?
Clearly?

Assets and debts would be divided either by population, GDP per capita, or some combination of these I presume. The important thing is that it be divided justly.
 
Hoid
#81
If Alberta wants to terminate the deal they should not expect to retain ownership of he resource - since the resource only belongs to them in the context of the deal.

no different than Quebec separation.
 
taxslave
+1
#82
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

If Alberta wants to terminate the deal they should not expect to retain ownership of he resource - since the resource only belongs to them in the context of the deal.
no different than Quebec separation.

Did your mother step on your head when you were a baby?
 
Hoid
#83
Ouch! White natty throwin down!
 
captain morgan
+2
#84
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

And Canada would get nothing?


Correct



Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Clearly?


You can have Trudeau


Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

Assets and debts would be divided either by population, GDP per capita, or some combination of these I presume. The important thing is that it be divided justly.


When it comes out in the wash, AB (by population, GDP per capita, etc) would be owed money... So would Sask
 
Hoid
#85
I'm afraid Canada would have to get whatever it was due from he agreement.

In other words, even if separation occurred (and It actually cannot) the financial arrangement would stand.
 
Twin_Moose
+1
#86
Only Federal infrastructure would have to be bought out Hoid, and it would be a wash between what's owed and what's owing to either Gov.
 
Hoid
#87
If they sell oil they pay the Feds

That's the deal.

IF they don't pay the Feds they don't own the oil.
 
Twin_Moose
+2
#88
Only on the over collection of taxes on the set limit of profits from energy to the GDP of the Province which turns into a transfer payment to Ottawa. Ottawa does not get a cut in the royalties, they are a parasite sucking off the profits of the Provinces, limiting the Provincial wealth for the good of the country is the excuse. If Hydro-electric energy was ever introduced into the formula it would turn Ont. and Que. into "have" provinces and not see a penny from the West, worst case scenario for the 2 provinces that is why they have boycotted the use of Hydro energy to be added from the beginning.
 
Hoid
#89
if the feds lose the portion of money they make from gas and oil then wouldn't Alberta also lose theirs?

Or is this a divorce where one side keeps everything and the other side keeps nothing?
 
captain morgan
+1
#90
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

if the feds lose the portion of money they make from gas and oil then wouldn't Alberta also lose theirs?


Are you high?


Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Or is this a divorce where one side keeps everything and the other side keeps nothing?


Yes