Zircon hypersonic missile


spilledthebeer
#31
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

weapons under development


The carbon tax will be cheap compared to the bill for this.


Banning illegals will be CHEAP............................................. ......


compared to the cost of allowing LIE-berals to continue rounding them up...................................


and keeping them like stray cats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
Gilgamesh
#32
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjT-LMgQW44
How to defeat Hypersonic-Missile?



Spoiler, . . . you can't.

With radar & lasers you could. Radar and light are both Electro-magnetic-radiation and not only the fastest speed possible by far,they are way way faster than any hypersonic can ever be.

Light =186,000 miles per sec.

Missile 7000-9000 miles per hour.

BTW the Neanderthal who thinks that gravity can't bend light because it is too fast should sue their school system.

Gravity does bend light but it takes the mass of a star to even do it very very slightly.

Photons have no mass. So other than space being warped, for all practical purposes, light cannot be be bent.

Check with Uncle Albert. He explained it in Austria 100 years ago.

However, the Russian missile is probably someone's wet dream or years from being operational.

We can bet that the. U.S is at least on par with Czar Putrid.

Canada was going to build one too, however due to enviro-weenies, FN protests, and PQ demanding a bilingual weapon built in Quebec, and JT being unable to understand the conceptm the project was cancelled..
 
MHz
#33
Quote: Originally Posted by Gilgamesh View Post

With radar & lasers you could. Radar and light are both Electro-magnetic-radiation and not only the fastest speed possible by far,they are way way faster than any hypersonic can ever be.
Light =186,000 miles per sec.
Missile 7000-9000 miles per hour.

Key word is 'could'. If they are nit in operation today they will not save you from weapons that are on the shelf in Russia and China today. The item pictured is part of the S-400 air defense package, it will level a ground launch site before they can move or reload. They are in mass production if needed. How often is it mentioned in the news, now you know why.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...ack-mode-46597
According to Russian sources, the Zircon is derived from the supersonic P-800 Oniks, though the drawings of the Zircon looks significantly different from the P-800. The dimensions of the missiles are comparable, with the Zircon estimated to be between 8-10 meters long and the P-800 being 8.6 meters long in the surface-launched variant.
Given that the missiles are approximately similar in dimensions, it’s possible to estimate the warhead size of the Zircon based on the P-800. The P-800’s “battle compartment” which houses the warhead is located in the nose of the missile and is relatively small, due to the constraints of the air-intake and ramjet engine. Although the Zircon missile moves the air intake to the bottom of the missile, the nose is also far more slanted and sharp than the P-800, so the “battle compartment” is likely of the same size or smaller.

Based on this, we can estimate the payload of the ground-attack Zircon. The P-800 has a payload of either a 200kg high explosive or 250kg semi-armor-piercing warhead. It’s probably safe to assume the Zircon has a warhead of 200 kilograms or less given the shape of the missile and comparative weights.
This makes it less than ideal for the ground-attack role. To compare, the Iskander-M ballistic missile has a payload of around 700 kg, and the Kaliber cruise missile has a payload of 450 kg. While the Zircon is not interceptable by any known means, it is unlikely to be able to take out more hardened NATO installations due to its small warhead.



Quote: Originally Posted by Gilgamesh View Post

BTW the Neanderthal who thinks that gravity can't bend light because it is too fast should sue their school system.
Gravity does bend light but it takes the mass of a star to even do it very very slightly.
Photons have no mass. So other than space being warped, for all practical purposes, light cannot be be bent.
Check with Uncle Albert. He explained it in Austria 100 years ago.

Isn't there some academy that approves all that stuff first?? When light goes in all direction from a single point how do you tell it has been 'bent'? A color change is used to tell 'speed' so how is it measured? 'Very, very slightly' is the official measurement for a star the size of our sun is it? I was looking fir an example of that using the devices we have available to us in this century. You do not build a rocket with a sundial and an abacus now do you??



Quote: Originally Posted by Gilgamesh View Post

However, the Russian missile is probably someone's wet dream or years from being operational.

We can bet that the. U.S is at least on par with Czar Putrid.

What if I was able to send a rover to the moon that has a mirror that could be deployed into a dish-shape that could be moved so the light reflected could be focused into a single point of light could that be used as a weapon that uses the heat from the reflected light to attack an object circling the earth in the vacuum of space ir would the heat aspect be something that would make it a moon only weapon. Nobody has said anything about the flash of light on the moon the same time an eclipse was happening. Light reflected to earth would have light but no new impact site on the moon and no dust cloud that should remain visible for years. Using burst data transfer hiw much could be sent in the time the light could be seen?? That fit your demand we be pretty smart alraedy??



Quote: Originally Posted by Gilgamesh View Post

Canada was going to build one too, however due to enviro-weenies, FN protests, and PQ demanding a bilingual weapon built in Quebec, and JT being unable to understand the conceptm the project was cancelled..

A wall of ice seems to work pretty good on the Thrones show, a few 1,000 miles of frozen Tundra will do the same as a cliff as far as keeping invading hoards away. Only in Quebec or is this some kiddies cartoon you are living in??
 
spilledthebeer
#34
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Key word is 'could'. If they are nit in operation today they will not save you from weapons that are on the shelf in Russia and China today. The item pictured is part of the S-400 air defense package, it will level a ground launch site before they can move or reload. They are in mass production if needed. How often is it mentioned in the news, now you know why.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...ack-mode-46597
According to Russian sources, the Zircon is derived from the supersonic P-800 Oniks, though the drawings of the Zircon looks significantly different from the P-800. The dimensions of the missiles are comparable, with the Zircon estimated to be between 8-10 meters long and the P-800 being 8.6 meters long in the surface-launched variant.
Given that the missiles are approximately similar in dimensions, it’s possible to estimate the warhead size of the Zircon based on the P-800. The P-800’s “battle compartment” which houses the warhead is located in the nose of the missile and is relatively small, due to the constraints of the air-intake and ramjet engine. Although the Zircon missile moves the air intake to the bottom of the missile, the nose is also far more slanted and sharp than the P-800, so the “battle compartment” is likely of the same size or smaller.

Based on this, we can estimate the payload of the ground-attack Zircon. The P-800 has a payload of either a 200kg high explosive or 250kg semi-armor-piercing warhead. It’s probably safe to assume the Zircon has a warhead of 200 kilograms or less given the shape of the missile and comparative weights.
This makes it less than ideal for the ground-attack role. To compare, the Iskander-M ballistic missile has a payload of around 700 kg, and the Kaliber cruise missile has a payload of 450 kg. While the Zircon is not interceptable by any known means, it is unlikely to be able to take out more hardened NATO installations due to its small warhead.




Isn't there some academy that approves all that stuff first?? When light goes in all direction from a single point how do you tell it has been 'bent'? A color change is used to tell 'speed' so how is it measured? 'Very, very slightly' is the official measurement for a star the size of our sun is it? I was looking fir an example of that using the devices we have available to us in this century. You do not build a rocket with a sundial and an abacus now do you??




What if I was able to send a rover to the moon that has a mirror that could be deployed into a dish-shape that could be moved so the light reflected could be focused into a single point of light could that be used as a weapon that uses the heat from the reflected light to attack an object circling the earth in the vacuum of space ir would the heat aspect be something that would make it a moon only weapon. Nobody has said anything about the flash of light on the moon the same time an eclipse was happening. Light reflected to earth would have light but no new impact site on the moon and no dust cloud that should remain visible for years. Using burst data transfer hiw much could be sent in the time the light could be seen?? That fit your demand we be pretty smart alraedy??




A wall of ice seems to work pretty good on the Thrones show, a few 1,000 miles of frozen Tundra will do the same as a cliff as far as keeping invading hoards away. Only in Quebec or is this some kiddies cartoon you are living in??




OH WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!


MHz runs his amazing mind at THE SPEED OF LIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!


Until he runs smack into logic and reality!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


At that point MHz imitates a bug on a car windshield!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!


Hey MHz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!


Are you aware of the old riddle??????????????????????????????


The one that asks: "what is the last thing to go though a bugs mind when it hits your car windshield??????????



The last thing to go through that bugs mind is its assh+le!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !


Do you understand your own relationship to this bug on the windshield .........................................


and your own encounters with reality???????????????????????????
 
Gilgamesh
#35
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Thank for MHz !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


For your news report from Dimension ZERO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Comparison of various Russian, Chinese and Yankee weapons under development reveal that Yankee versions are likely to BE MORE EFFECTIVE AND EASIER TO DEPLOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yankees are seeking to upgrade existing weapons -things like creating smart munitions that can be fired from existing 5 inch naval guns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The new 5 inch shells would have rocket assist and have a range of 250 MILES coupled with EXTREME ACCURACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yankees are also seeking out new generation anti missile defenses- a much expanded and more sophisticated version of the old Yankee Patriot Missile System and the current Israeli Iron Dome technology!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The Yankee efforts are focused on relatively cheap upgrades THAT CAN BE MASS PRODUCED and installed swiftly onto existing ships and weapon systems!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


By comparison the Russians and Chinese are focused on radical new technology that will be VERY COSTLY and complex - with resulting economic limitations on how many of the new weapons they can AFFORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Russian and Chinese Weapon deployment will also be hampered the the further cost and delays required to substantially alter ships and other equipment to handle the new weapons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The ability of Russians and Chinese to successfully deploy the new weapons anywhere near a war zone has been brought into question by the newly displayed ability of F 35 fighters to breeze through Russian and Chinese radar defenses around Damascus and by the ability of F 35`s to hide from Russian, Chinese and Iranian anti aircraft missiles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Russians and Chinese MAY NOT be able to use their grand new weapons in time of trouble if F-35 fighters and other Yankee assets -that Russians and Chinese NEVER SAW COMING - have destroyed the new weapons before they can be used!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Russians and Chinese are engaged in the same propaganda DECEPTION ADOLF HITLER used in 1938 to bully western LIE-beral;s into giving him Czechoslovakia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!


Hitler promoted his air force as a vast and potent weapon when it was still a small force with a LIMITED NUMBER of modern weapons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!


This is not to say Russians and Chinese and Iranians are ill armed......................I merely point out that MHz and his ilk very much want to FRIGHTEN US with their BULLSH+T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!

The rocket assisted shells cost twice that of a Tomahawk cruise missile, have less range, and they are no more accurate. Doubtful they will ever be deployed.

Try again.
 
MHz
#36
This is an operational cruise missile, as well as the ones used few time in Syria.
https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/ss-n-26/
SS-N-26 “Strobile”(P-800 Oniks)/Yakhont/Yakhont-M at a Glance

Originated From: Russia
Possessed By: Russia, Indonesia, Syria, Vietnam
Alternate Names: SS-N-26 “Strobile”, P-800 Oniks, Yakhont, Yakhont-M, (Bastion-P,Bastion-S launch systems)
Class: Anti-ship Cruise Missile (ASCM)
Basing: air-, ship-, sub-launched
Length: 8.6 m for surface-to-surface missile (SSM) (8.3 m for air-to-surface missile (ASM))
Diameter: 670 mm
Launch Weight: 3,000 kg for SSM (2,550 kg for ASM)
Payload: Single Warhead
Warhead: HE submunitions, semi-armour piercing
Propulsion: Solid Propellant, Ramjet
Range: 300 km
Status: Operational
In Service: 2002 (2015 for Bastion systems)


SS-N-26 Development

The P-800 Oniks was first developed in 1993 by NPO Mashinostroyenia. In 1999, they developed the ground-launched export version, the Yakhont, and an air-launched version, the Yakhont-M. A sub-launched version has been proposed to be fitted to Yasen-class attack submarines, and the Bastion-P and Bastion-S launch systems have since been developed as well. 3
The Oniks was first deployed in 2002 on Russia’s Nakat-class missile ship. 4 The Bastion missile launch systems were first deployed in 2015 with the Russian Army. 5



This is a ballistic missile that has no be that could take out anything it is targeting, incliding Patriot and Iron/dome batteries.


https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/ss-26/


Iskander At a Glance

Originated From: Russia
Possessed By: Russia
Alternate Name: SS-26, Stone, Tender, 9M720, 9M723
Class: Short-range Ballistic Missile (SRBM)
Basing: Road-mobile
Length: 7.3 m
Diameter: .92 m
Launch Weight: 3,000-4,020 kg
Payload: Single warhead
Warhead: HE, submunitions, FAE, HE penetration, Nuclear
Propulsion: Single-stage solid propellant
Range: 400-500 km
Status: Operational
In Service: 2007

The Iskander has two variants, the ‘Tender’ or ‘Iskander-M’ for the Russian Federation military and the ‘Iskander-E’ version for export. The Iskander is 7.3 m long, 0.92 m in diameter, and has a launch weight of 3,800 to 4,020 kg. The Tender has a range of 400 km and a payload of approximately 700 kg. The Iskander-E has a reduced range of 280 km, and payload of about 480 kg. Both systems employ a single separating warhead equipped with a terminal guidance system, though the accuracy of the missile depends upon which system is used. An inertial guidance system would likely give an accuracy of around 200 m CEP while inertial guidance coupled with a Global Positioning Satellite (GPS) or equivalent system would likely provide about 50 m CEP. The use of the inertial navigation, GPS, and active radar or electro-optical sensors provides an accuracy of 10 to 30 m CEP. Its warheads can be equipped with high explosives (HE), submunitions, fuel-air explosives or an HE penetrator. It is also capable of delivering nuclear payloads. During the terminal phase, the missile is reportedly capable of maneuvering and can release decoys.1
The Iskander is a tactical missile system designed to be used in theater level conflicts. It is a strike system developed to attack key military and support units. It was designed as a replacement for the OTR-23 which exceeded the 500 km Intermediate Nuclear Force (INF) treaty restriction on range. The export version was placed under the more rigorous 300 km restriction of the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR). A fully formed Russian Iskander brigade consists of 12 launchers.2
The SS-26’s accuracy and variety of warhead types make it an extremely flexible battlefield system. It was designed to be able to destroy both stationary and moving targets, specifically SAM sites, short-range missile launchers, airfields, ports, command and communication centers, factories and hardened defensive targets.
The TEL vehicle carries two missiles and is armored with a plated sliding roof for the protection of the missile and its three operators. The missiles are resistant to the effects of outside temperatures (from -50° to +50° C), as well as offering Nuclear, Biological and Chemical (NBC) protection, enabling the missile to be fired in almost any environment. It is amphibious and can travel at 70 km/h (43 mph) and does not require refueling for 1,100 km (684 miles). Each TEL vehicle contains all the requirements to operate completely independently. Reload vehicles, each carrying two missiles and a crane, enable prolonged battlefield operations.3
 
Curious Cdn
#37
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

This is an operational cruise missile, as well as the ones used few time in Syria.
https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/ss-n-26/
SS-N-26 “Strobile”(P-800 Oniks)/Yakhont/Yakhont-M at a Glance
Originated From: Russia
Possessed By: Russia, Indonesia, Syria, Vietnam
Alternate Names: SS-N-26 “Strobile”, P-800 Oniks, Yakhont, Yakhont-M, (Bastion-P,Bastion-S launch systems)
Class: Anti-ship Cruise Missile (ASCM)
Basing: air-, ship-, sub-launched
Length: 8.6 m for surface-to-surface missile (SSM) (8.3 m for air-to-surface missile (ASM))
Diameter: 670 mm
Launch Weight: 3,000 kg for SSM (2,550 kg for ASM)
Payload: Single Warhead
Warhead: HE submunitions, semi-armour piercing
Propulsion: Solid Propellant, Ramjet
Range: 300 km
Status: Operational
In Service: 2002 (2015 for Bastion systems)

SS-N-26 Development
The P-800 Oniks was first developed in 1993 by NPO Mashinostroyenia. In 1999, they developed the ground-launched export version, the Yakhont, and an air-launched version, the Yakhont-M. A sub-launched version has been proposed to be fitted to Yasen-class attack submarines, and the Bastion-P and Bastion-S launch systems have since been developed as well. 3
The Oniks was first deployed in 2002 on Russia’s Nakat-class missile ship. 4 The Bastion missile launch systems were first deployed in 2015 with the Russian Army. 5
This is a ballistic missile that has no be that could take out anything it is targeting, incliding Patriot and Iron/dome batteries.
https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/ss-26/
Iskander At a Glance
Originated From: Russia
Possessed By: Russia
Alternate Name: SS-26, Stone, Tender, 9M720, 9M723
Class: Short-range Ballistic Missile (SRBM)
Basing: Road-mobile
Length: 7.3 m
Diameter: .92 m
Launch Weight: 3,000-4,020 kg
Payload: Single warhead
Warhead: HE, submunitions, FAE, HE penetration, Nuclear
Propulsion: Single-stage solid propellant
Range: 400-500 km
Status: Operational
In Service: 2007
The Iskander has two variants, the ‘Tender’ or ‘Iskander-M’ for the Russian Federation military and the ‘Iskander-E’ version for export. The Iskander is 7.3 m long, 0.92 m in diameter, and has a launch weight of 3,800 to 4,020 kg. The Tender has a range of 400 km and a payload of approximately 700 kg. The Iskander-E has a reduced range of 280 km, and payload of about 480 kg. Both systems employ a single separating warhead equipped with a terminal guidance system, though the accuracy of the missile depends upon which system is used. An inertial guidance system would likely give an accuracy of around 200 m CEP while inertial guidance coupled with a Global Positioning Satellite (GPS) or equivalent system would likely provide about 50 m CEP. The use of the inertial navigation, GPS, and active radar or electro-optical sensors provides an accuracy of 10 to 30 m CEP. Its warheads can be equipped with high explosives (HE), submunitions, fuel-air explosives or an HE penetrator. It is also capable of delivering nuclear payloads. During the terminal phase, the missile is reportedly capable of maneuvering and can release decoys.1
The Iskander is a tactical missile system designed to be used in theater level conflicts. It is a strike system developed to attack key military and support units. It was designed as a replacement for the OTR-23 which exceeded the 500 km Intermediate Nuclear Force (INF) treaty restriction on range. The export version was placed under the more rigorous 300 km restriction of the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR). A fully formed Russian Iskander brigade consists of 12 launchers.2
The SS-26’s accuracy and variety of warhead types make it an extremely flexible battlefield system. It was designed to be able to destroy both stationary and moving targets, specifically SAM sites, short-range missile launchers, airfields, ports, command and communication centers, factories and hardened defensive targets.
The TEL vehicle carries two missiles and is armored with a plated sliding roof for the protection of the missile and its three operators. The missiles are resistant to the effects of outside temperatures (from -50° to +50° C), as well as offering Nuclear, Biological and Chemical (NBC) protection, enabling the missile to be fired in almost any environment. It is amphibious and can travel at 70 km/h (43 mph) and does not require refueling for 1,100 km (684 miles). Each TEL vehicle contains all the requirements to operate completely independently. Reload vehicles, each carrying two missiles and a crane, enable prolonged battlefield operations.3

Files in straight lines, only. An idiot can design around that.
 
MHz
#38
So why hasn't Israel and NATO then? They have the most idiots on the payroll than anybody.
 
Curious Cdn
#39
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

So why hasn't Israel and NATO then?

Who says they haven't?

Sputnik?

AHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAH!!
 
MHz
#40
Janes.
With reported 500-km range from Kaliningrad, the Iskander-M can cover targets throughout Poland, the Baltic states, and southern Sweden. If armed with cruise missiles (SSC-8 or Russian designator 9M729), their reach is much greater. Their 2,000-km or greater range allows them to strike targets close to Paris.
Why Now? Why Not?
Iskander-M in Kaliningrad was always just a question of timing.
Since at least 2014, the Russian Army has temporarily deployed Iskander-M launchers to Kaliningrad from the “mainland” for exercises.
As CAST reported, Jane’s Defence Weekly published photographs of characteristic “tent-mobile shelters” under construction for the new SRBMs at the Chernyakhovsk base in February.
But why now? Because the missiles and associated equipment have been produced and Moscow loses nothing at this point.
The Kremlin always said it could deploy the new SRBMs to its Baltic exclave to counter Aegis BMD (Aegis Ashore) in Poland slated for completion in 2018.
There are enhanced U.S. and NATO ground deployments to Poland to assure the easternmost allies in the wake of Russia’s occupation of Crimea and eastern Ukraine.
Perhaps relevant here is the possibility the U.S. Congress will authorize DOD development of a new U.S. intermediate-range missile to answer Russia’s material breach of the 1987 INF Treaty.
And U.S.-Russian relations are the worst since the end of the Cold War.
https://russiandefpolicy.blog/tag/iskander-m/
 
Curious Cdn
#41
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Janes.
With reported 500-km range from Kaliningrad, the Iskander-M can cover targets throughout Poland, the Baltic states, and southern Sweden. If armed with cruise missiles (SSC-8 or Russian designator 9M729), their reach is much greater. Their 2,000-km or greater range allows them to strike targets close to Paris.
Why Now? Why Not?
Iskander-M in Kaliningrad was always just a question of timing.
Since at least 2014, the Russian Army has temporarily deployed Iskander-M launchers to Kaliningrad from the “mainland” for exercises.
As CAST reported, Jane’s Defence Weekly published photographs of characteristic “tent-mobile shelters” under construction for the new SRBMs at the Chernyakhovsk base in February.
But why now? Because the missiles and associated equipment have been produced and Moscow loses nothing at this point.
The Kremlin always said it could deploy the new SRBMs to its Baltic exclave to counter Aegis BMD (Aegis Ashore) in Poland slated for completion in 2018.
There are enhanced U.S. and NATO ground deployments to Poland to assure the easternmost allies in the wake of Russia’s occupation of Crimea and eastern Ukraine.
Perhaps relevant here is the possibility the U.S. Congress will authorize DOD development of a new U.S. intermediate-range missile to answer Russia’s material breach of the 1987 INF Treaty.
And U.S.-Russian relations are the worst since the end of the Cold War.
https://russiandefpolicy.blog/tag/iskander-m/

Unh-hunh.

You're, innately susceptible to really low grade Russian propaganda. It would also be helpful if you'd studied some physics along the way and might appreciate how ludicrous the whole thing is.

About four decades back, Russian warships used to sport ENORMOUS Missile's on launchers on their foredecks. Man we're they Macho! Mean looking! Totally useless theatre props! If they actually worked after being splashed with sea water for months (missiles are REALLY delicate gear and need to be sealed up in silo/launchers) they are a one shot deal. In the age before sea-skimming cruise missiles, those muy macho BRISTLING Russian missiles would have straight up, then straight down. No chance of a re-load any time soon. A Trebuchet would have been more useful to the.

Here we go, Again. Another generation of rubes is falling for that old Russian theatrical schtick.
 
MHz
#42
Are you trying to say NATO aircraft carries are stealthy and invincible?? It is NATO saying they need a whole new round of weapons to counter what you say are mythical weapons. Are you trying to pick both sides of the coin in order to appear to be some sort of winner rather than the little fuking whiner you and the loco collective are?
 
Curious Cdn
#43
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Are you trying to say NATO aircraft carries are stealthy and invincible?? It is NATO saying they need a whole new round of weapons to counter what you say are mythical weapons. Are you trying to pick both sides of the coin in order to appear to be some sort of winner rather than the little fuking whiner you and the loco collective are?

Blame the Jews!
 
MHz
#44
Are you really pulling the anti-Semite card when the object mentioned is a missile??

No wonder I have so little respect for any of the members of the loco collective. You are all bat-shit crazy and need to be monitored as you are a danger to society.
 
Curious Cdn
#45
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Are you really pulling the anti-Semite card when the object mentioned is a missile??
No wonder I have so little respect for any of the members of the loco collective. You are all bat-shit crazy and need to be monitored as you are a danger to society.

Missiles that can only fly straight and level are dangerous, but not that dangerous. They do no trick you and any number of countermeasures will deflect them those few yards to render them useless. Fast moving OBJECTS DO Not change course much it at all.

Save your cheesy Russian propaganda for the not-too-bright in the Third World who view the Russians as some sort of "friend".
 
MHz
#46
Your side lost Crimea and Syria just lately, current coups are not going well unless being dragged out endlessly is a new tactic. The Ukraine is up for grabs . . . .
 
Curious Cdn
#47
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Your side lost Crimea and Syria just lately, current coups are not going well unless being dragged out endlessly is a new tactic. The Ukraine is up for grabs . . . .

"My side" did?

My side is quite unscathed, that you very much..

What exactly is "your side"?
 
Curious Cdn
#48
Here you go ... someone else's take on it...

http://youtu.be/7bgaoM6qSV0
 
DaSleeper
#49
Sputnik new is about as valid a source as Facebook!
 
MHz
#50
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Here you go ... someone else's take on it...

http://youtu.be/7bgaoM6qSV0

A move a weasel does, introduce a 3rd party that cannot be questioned. It also shows that you do not 'catch on' very fast, if you ever do. My previous post that had a link also had a description of the vid and some words of my own about the vid. That is the format your posts have to take before I will waste my time clicking on a link submitted by a known troll. Considering my time has no real value you have a clue to how important your link is to me at the moment.
If you can't supply 'your take' on the topic the STFU as I will take you on as the troll you are. Ask any of the others from the loco collective if they miss me posting to all their childish posts, points that you would hold dear to your heart based on your posting history. Fee free to show me you are a rebel here where you challenge crimes against humanity no matter who is committing them.


Your replies to what my links lead to also show you cannot understand any part of the English language as they will say one thing and your reply indicates the opposite is true when you offer nothing as support. Why would you do that so often and then not accept that you fir the classic definition of 'a psychopathic fuktard' and all the ones on this board that you offer moral support to are also in the same leaky boat.
 
MHz
#51
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

Sputnik new is about as valid a source as Facebook!

'Janes' isn't a Russian publication. The technical data published comes from them. Just because Sputnick publishes things CNN doesn't is not a sign that it is false information. That you are trying to promote a known lie show just how ****ed up the collective is that you support. If you believe there is a term known as 'a good lie' you have just shown you will believe almost any lie rather than lying to somebody ends up building a stronger relationship. You fuks are the ones on fire so go ahead, pour some gas on it. (that is sure what I'm going to do, just fuking watch)
 
MHz
#52
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

"My side" did?

My side is quite unscathed, that you very much..

What exactly is "your side"?

Should I start a thread or just give you the link to the one where the methods a psychopath uses are listed and see which one of the points our posts are covered by?


'Your side' is imploding under it's own weight once you run out of shadows to hide in. Watching others ended up in the ones in the shadows being able to be watched in return. They need clueless minions like you to try and hold it together. How do you think a checkers player will do against a chess master?
 
spilledthebeer
#53
Quote: Originally Posted by Gilgamesh View Post

The rocket assisted shells cost twice that of a Tomahawk cruise missile, have less range, and they are no more accurate. Doubtful they will ever be deployed.

Try again.






OH BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You are one BAD LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Do you really want to tell us that a rocket assisted artillery shell weighing roughly 60 pounds is going to cost MORE than a cruise missile that weighs 3300 pounds??????????????????????


With the cruise missile being able to fly MUCH FARTHER and operate autonomously for vastly longer periods of time?????????????????



Do you know what a cruise missile is?????????????????????????????????


But there is the GREAT FEAR of the anti western dictators!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That the United States ARE PRODUCING simple, relatively cheap weapons that CAN NEUTRALIZE several decades worth of weapon design by the dictators!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


With the added bonus that Yankees are building COMPLEX weapons as well - such as F 35 that can- as Israelis have PROVED in Syria - breeze through the heaviest Russian, Iranian and Chinese missile defense systems!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


What a MAROON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



How much do Russian and Chinese Soviets pay you to try to scare the west with Nazi style doomsday PROPAGANDA??????????
 
Curious Cdn
#54
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Should I start a thread or just give you the link to the one where the methods a psychopath uses are listed and see which one of the points our posts are covered by?
'Your side' is imploding under it's own weight once you run out of shadows to hide in. Watching others ended up in the ones in the shadows being able to be watched in return. They need clueless minions like you to try and hold it together. How do you think a checkers player will do against a chess master?

"My side" ... you're one of those binary minds with a "my side" and "your side" hammered into it.
 
MHz
#55
I gave you a short list if historical events, when you have said how you feel about each of them everybody will know what 'your side' is concerning some global events. That you pass them by can also be used to determine what side you are on. If I am being too harsh all you have to do is show where the error is or provide a list that shows the little people are well taken care of rather than being used till they drop dead.
The list for what qualifies a person as a psychopath is pretty clear as are your various comments about the fate of the weakest people on the planet.
Do you remember what the topic of this thread is??
 
Curious Cdn
#56
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

I gave you a short list if historical events, when you have said how you feel about each of them everybody will know what 'your side' is concerning some global events. That you pass them by can also be used to determine what side you are on. If I am being too harsh all you have to do is show where the error is or provide a list that shows the little people are well taken care of rather than being used till they drop dead.
The list for what qualifies a person as a psychopath is pretty clear as are your various comments about the fate of the weakest people on the planet.
Do you remember what the topic of this thread is??

Just because you're bonkers doesn't make everyone else that way.
 
MHz
#57
Being judged to be bonkers by you carries what sort of real weight when you are a troll and a fuktard and a psychopath at heart as are all the ones in here that support any of you views on how the world is run compared to how a just society would run one.
Pretend fancy missiles as well as pretending to care about the Indians, both are bullshit based programs that you fully believe in.

Even Walnut has enough brains to stop publicly supporting capitalism when that trend also allows sanctions to target infants so they die.

If nobody reads this why do you even care that it gets posted? Take it as a sign there is a few miles to go before creating sheeple is 100%.
 
Curious Cdn
#58
Do you remember what the topic of this thread is??


It's about the "mighty Zircon Missile" and other cheesy, second rate Russian propaganda.
 
spilledthebeer
#59
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Do you remember what the topic of this thread is??


It's about the "mighty Zircon Missile" and other cheesy, second rate Russian propaganda.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


i had to laugh when I saw you had asked MHz if he recalled what the topic of the thread was!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


MHz is so mentally challenged that he finds it hard to recall the need to put on his pants when he rolls out of bed in the morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Not only does he not recall what the thread is about....................................


he is having trouble recalling what a THREAD is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


At first I thought he might have a few brain cells to rub together....................................


after all it takes true imagination to come up with all that delusional anti Yankee and anti Jew propaganda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But I have come to realize he IS NOT actually creating it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


MHz is a classic example of Soviet Meddling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


He is being FED Bullsh+t by Russian and Iranian agents who have him hypnotized into thinking he is dreaming up his crap on his own!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


His experiments with LSD have left openings in his concept of reality that western HATERS are exploiting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
MHz
#60
Kind of makes you wonder what you got as a reward for all the trouble you seem to be going to. How can you appear as a sane person when the whole group is 'one mind' that fits a certain profile that has zero good points to it yet you cling to it at all costs.
My 'questioning' of the myth and reality of Western civilization is based on what others have published.

Two names that I have mentioned several times as having the accurate view of the past are 'moderates', the only extremists and radicals on the globe are employees of the little group that you hold higher than anybody when it is their crimes against humanity that really sets them apart. The dream of a 'greater Israel' will happen, the people living there and taking the benefits will be the locals and then foreigners rather than all food leaves the area for foreign lands as is typical when capitalism invades a foreign land. Cuba was sugar btw, see what they do when they don't get their way, 70 years of sanctions and no end in sight, perhaps at the 250 year mark like Haiti/France.