Trump World -USA-2019


Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
+1
#871

Trump unveils immigration plan that prioritizes high-skilled workers over those with family already in the country


The plan, which does not address the fate of young undocumented immigrants who were brought to the United States as children, stands little chance of advancing in Congress, where lawmakers of both parties have greeted it with skepticism.

��Today we are presenting a clear contrast,�� Trump said in a speech at the White House��s Rose Garden. ��Democrats are proposing open borders, lower wages and, frankly, lawless chaos. We are proposing an immigration plan that puts the jobs, wages and safety of American workers first. Our proposal is pro-American, pro-immigrant and pro-worker. It��s just common sense.��

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ational&wpmk=1
 
DaSleeper
#872
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/..._terminal_tds/
 
Tecumsehsbones
#873
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post

Define a "real conservative"

Me. *bows* I believe in the value of the individual, association in society, interdependence between people, the sovereignty of the individual will, absolute equality before the law, equity in what one gives to and takes from the society, limited government, and cautious change.

I understand the flaws of our society, and I'm aware that "Father Knows Best" and "Happy Days" were fiction. I simply insist that any solutions to our flaws reflect the values above.

I don't see much point in "solutions" that don't actually solve the problem.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#874
It's all shades of Grey, man. Black and White are just artificial constructs.
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#875
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Me. *bows* I believe in the value of the individual, association in society, interdependence between people, the sovereignty of the individual will, absolute equality before the law, equity in what one gives to and takes from the society, limited government, and cautious change.

I understand the flaws of our society, and I'm aware that "Father Knows Best" and "Happy Days" were fiction. I simply insist that any solutions to our flaws reflect the values above.

I don't see much point in "solutions" that don't actually solve the problem.

The principle s you outline wold be comparable with many........ Personally I agree withthem.

It could be the details that can get sticky.


Personally I kinda like a blend of both (conservative and Liberal).....with other specifics thrown in...like progressive thinking, science based facts, with a strong humanitarian component.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#876
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post

The principle s you outline wold be comparable with many........ Personally I agree withthem.
It could be the details that can get sticky.

Of course. That's where debate and compromise come in.
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#877
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Of course. That's where debate and compromise come in.

Plenty of "debate and very little "compromise"
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#878
 
Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
+1
#879
Okay, here's the funny thing about the argument for illegal immigration. I've found that a LOT of the same people who support that crap also whine a lot about how cheap employers are with wages. They excuse illegal immigration simply as "people coming here and doing the jobs that Americans (or Canadians) won't do." And that's usually because the work effort to wage ratio sucks. But by justifying illegal immigration for that purpose, you give the employers no incentive to increase the wages for those jobs. And please don't suggest something like, 'employers will just automate those jobs' because it's a non-starter and does nothing to further the argument for illegal immigration.
 
coldstream
#880
moved..
Last edited by coldstream; May 17th, 2019 at 12:34 PM..
 
Tecumsehsbones
#881
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post

Plenty of "debate and very little "compromise"

That happens at various points. Representative democracy isn't supposed to be easy.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#882
Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

Okay, here's the funny thing about the argument for illegal immigration. I've found that a LOT of the same people who support that crap also whine a lot about how cheap employers are with wages. They excuse illegal immigration simply as "people coming here and doing the jobs that Americans (or Canadians) won't do." And that's usually because the work effort to wage ratio sucks. But by justifying illegal immigration for that purpose, you give the employers no incentive to increase the wages for those jobs. And please don't suggest something like, 'employers will just automate those jobs' because it's a non-starter and does nothing to further the argument for illegal immigration.

OK, here's the funny thing. Most of the employers of large numbers of illegals are politically rightist.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
-1
#883
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

OK, here's the funny thing. Most of the employers of large numbers of illegals are politically rightist.

They cain't have coffles of Nagras sweatin' in your fields, no more. Gotta git yer cotton picked somehows.
 
Walter
#884
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

They cain't have coffles of Nagras sweatin' in your fields, no more. Gotta git yer cotton picked somehows.

Cotton is picked by machinery not people.
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#885
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#886
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
+1 / -1
#887
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
+1
#888

White House intends to block former counsel Donald McGahn from testifying to Congress, defying another request from House Democrats


McGahn had been scheduled to appear Tuesday before the House Judiciary Committee, where Democrats were hoping to make a star witness out of a central player in special counsel Robert S. Mueller III's report. An individual familiar with the strategy said Monday that the White House would move to prevent McGahn's appearance.

McGahn had documented in real-time President Trump's rage against the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election and his efforts to shut it down.

Earlier this month, the White House invoked executive privilege to bar McGahn from complying with a congressional subpoena for documents related to the Mueller probe.

source: WAPO


the obstructive behavior continues...

Obstruct, delay, use legal tactics and refuse to cooperate........... the theme of the current regime in Washington. How Presidential..............NOT.
 
Hoid
+1
#889
Michigan congressman Justin Amash seals his political fate:

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Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
+1
#890
White House blocks former counsel McGahn from testifying to Congress
Donald McGahn had been scheduled to appear before the House Judiciary Committee on Tuesday to answer questions following the release of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III's report last month.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
+1
#891
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post

White House blocks former counsel McGahn from testifying to Congress
Donald McGahn had been scheduled to appear before the House Judiciary Committee on Tuesday to answer questions following the release of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III's report last month.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/

Of course they did. Trump has a great deal to hide. He's proving it every day.
 
Hoid
#892
The problem for Trump is that while he can prevent McGahn from being forced to testify he cannot prevent him from voluntarily testifying.

I would say McGahn is in the drivers seat right now.
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
+1
#893
Trump: 17 Repeats in 17 Hours

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/05/tr...s-in-17-hours/
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#894
 
Walter
#895
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Of course they did. Trump has a great deal to hide. He's proving it every day.

McGahn was interviewed by Mueller’s team for 30 hours what more could he have to say?
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#896
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

McGahn was interviewed by Mueller’s team for 30 hours what more could he have to say?

We don't know because the whole Meuller report hasn't been released, yet.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#897
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

We don't know because the whole Meuller report hasn't been released, yet.

How much of the released report have you read ?
 
Walter
#898
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

We don't know because the whole Meuller report hasn't been released, yet.

Only grand jury stuff and classified information was redacted.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#899
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Only grand jury stuff and classified information was redacted.

You know all that, do you?
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#900
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

How much of the released report have you read ?

No more that any of us. A Republican just got to read the whole thing and he's calling for Trump"s impeachment. Perhaps, they all should read the whole thing and vote on it.
 

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