Tesla's electric cars aren't as green as you might think


Bar Sinister
#91
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

Technophobe? HAHAHAHAHA!!! Legitimate fear of being bankrupted by LIE-beral knuckleheads has nothing to do with technology!

Here is an old post I wrote in early 2017 and the points made are valid and are now proven!

I think we should call Toronto public transit the “Bitter Way” due to the quality of service it now delivers! TTC now seems incapable of getting through a single week without having a major failure someplace in the system- especially during cold weather.....thus creating the “bitter” experience for long suffering riders who DON' T have any alternative than to ride the DUD red rocket!

To be fair-John Tory inherited this TTC mess along with the Metro Toronto Housing miss-management team and these messes have been built on years of greed by civil service Hogs and the politicians they have chosen for their willingness to fuel the socialist silly hall gravy train INSTEAD of making sure that CRITICAL infrastructure was maintained and updated where necessary! However, Sorry Tory is proving he is entirely willing to sit on his duff and fiddle like Nero as Toronto Transit crumbles.

So it’s going to be a LONG 4 years for Jackass JOHN, the Sorry Tory…..though there will be LOTS of photo ops for him….but I don’t think he will enjoy them!!! He will have lots of chances to explain those brick walls that are now falling off Metro Toronto Housing Authority buildings while MTHA chiefs pocket obscene bonuses; plenty of time to explain in detail how at least 400 MILLION dollars (and STILL counting!) disappeared up the Spadina subway; he can run around like a little Dutch boy plugging his fingers into the crumbling pipes that supply our water and flush away our waste; he can cry endless crocodile tears as aged and impoverished residents are evicted from MTHA housing that will be condemned for rot and rats and drug deals gone bad ; and he can even tell thousands of commuters that they will not be able to use the Gardner Expressway any more, once enough concrete crumbles off it to scare city officials into closing it! Too bad Jackass John won’t ever get around to FIXING any of the problems as he is much more concerned with handing out rich gravy to the Working Family clowns who put him in power….for just THAT reason!

But the capper to his crapper career will be explaining (probably in his `memoirs`) why he was not able to build any transit…..no subway, no LRT and not even his short cut smart track crap….Metrolinx gravy train riders will study it to death….at the usual HUGE expense…..and DO NOTHING USEFUL!!!!! GET USED TO IT!!!! This is the face of BANKRUPTCY!!!! All talk of great dreams and no money to do ANYTHING......and its ALL the fault of some other level of government.....which just happens to be wrestling with its own array of troubles!

Jackass John, the Sorry Tory seems not to understand that he has the chance to make a CHOICE here. He can either hand out rich gravy and bonuses to Working Family slobs (as he is expected to) and make them happy for this year and they will then come back next year like drug addicts for another gravy `fix` and if he chooses this road he will then go down in the record books as the WORST Toronto mayor ever.....OR.... he can grow a spine and take a stand and cut the gravy and spend the money thus saved to repair things and then go into the history books as a strong and independent and responsible mayor that served the true MAJORITY of Toronto residents and if he follows this road and defies the Hogs, he may get SEVERAL MORE terms in office and will be remembered fondly and proudly after he is ready to retire.

Somebody needs to tell Jackass John that he better pick his fights quickly....oh, I know he has a 4 year term....but we all know that the 4th year is spent by city council in a dog fight to secure a chance at re-election and nothing meaningful will be done in that last year except make worthless promises. Jackass John only has 3 useful years and he has already wasted HALF of the first one!


It’s been a week since Jackass John the Sorry Tory exposed his failings as a mayor YET AGAIN! In the same week we were told that Metro Toronto Housing Authority handed out its usual obscene salaries along with a pile of outrageous `performance` bonuses-the `performance` apparently being based on nothing more than an ability to spout nonsense through a mouth stuffed full of RICH GRAVY while counting up an insane list of entitlements that we cannot hope to pay for. We also had Jackass John-the Sorry Tory whining to the media that MTHA tenants would be homeless in 7 years as their buildings will be CONDEMNED and shuttered due to the ruined and neglected condition of the buildings. Jackass believes this is the fault of the province and the federal government.....nothing to do with that HUGE, BLOATED, OVERFED GRAVY TRAIN running through Socialist Silly Hall! What a Maroon that Sorry Tory is!

Based on number of inhabitants, people of Toronto ALREADY get TEN TIMES MORE money from Queens Park than any other municipality!! And yet Jackass EVEN WANTS MORE!!!!

Jackass apparently does not read newspapers and is unaware that Ontari-owe is bankrupt thanks to the idiot spending of Lie-berals led by McWynnty-the shameless Ontari-owhore who has sold herself, her party and our future to Working Family Coalition!

Previous mayor Rob Ford at least had the guts to shame MTHA into selling off a few of the hundreds of single family dwellings they own-the majority of these dwellings sit empty and derelict and uninhabitable due to the range of repairs needed to bring them up to a livable standard...repairs that MTHA cannot afford to do.....and so the properties sit....rotting AND COSTING MONEY that MTHA DOES NOT HAVE! The shuttered properties must be guarded and secured against vandalism, lawns mowed, snow on sidewalks shovelled and the work must be done by costly Gravy Train Riders.

If the city would follow Fords lead in this- those uninhabitable but still valuable properties (as land downtown is hugely expensive) would be sold and the money be used to make a dent in the number of repairs needed at multi-family MTHA buildings that are still inhabitable (BARELY!) to PREVENT them from being condemned in the near future! And the properties that were sold would become income generators for the city-there would be jobs produced as the properties were renovated and then taxes paid on the refurbished buildings and somebody else (rather than costly Gravy Train Hogs) would shovel the snow and mow the grass and secure the buildings.....but all this is too easy for Jackass John....he wants the easy way, the INSANE way! Not content with leading a bankrupt city, Jackass John wants to bankrupt us ALL by getting other levels of government involved in Hogtown madness !!!


More irrelevant rubbish. Try to stay on topic.
 
Danbones
#92
The ttc is a green alternative that runs on electricity and which one can observe for how it has worked out over the years, as opposed to the usual green PIPEDREAMS (which could NEVER come true!) which we normally get bombarded with, so that subject is on topic...

and they do kind of suck these days.

USSR here we come.
 
taxslave
+2
#93
Quote: Originally Posted by Danbones View Post

The ttc is a green alternative that runs on electricity and which one can observe for how it has worked out over the years, as opposed to the usual green PIPEDREAMS (which could NEVER come true!) which we normally get bombarded with, so that subject is on topic...

and they do kind of suck these days.

USSR here we come.

How is the electrikery to run this system generated?
 
captain morgan
+1
#94
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

How is the electrikery to run this system generated?

The aroma of delicious fresh baked cinnamon buns is the magical source of this unlimited electricity.

i was told this by the guy that invented the interwebs, therefore, it is fact
 
spilledthebeer
+2
#95
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

The aroma of delicious fresh baked cinnamon buns is the magical source of this unlimited electricity.

i was told this by the guy that invented the interwebs, therefore, it is fact

Oh pity the poor Bar Sinister.....struggling to find something to say in defense of his beloved LIE-berals! And how tragic for Bar that all LIE-beral policy is collapsing in disgrace! Bar has no serious argument to offer. No insight to present. He certainly has no facts for us. He offers only mindless parroting of disgraced LIE-beral propaganda that is intended only to serve LIE-beral entitlements and ignores logic and economic reality!


Some goof wrote a piece about how fast some electric cars can accelerate! Who cares how fast a car goes from 0-60 when it spends 99 percent of its life shuffling along nose to tail in a jam with hundreds of other cars! And who needs the speeding tickets and demerit points and insurance surcharges as well?

Reliability, fuel efficiency, purchase price, modest repair cost- and that other thing NO electric car currently has- good towing and cargo capacity are the things Cdns are seeking! Strap a roof rack or a trailer onto an electric car and watch the range PLUMMET! Better yet- strap on some gear and send it out in freezing weather- and watch it getting TOWED HOME to the re-charger because the range dropped by fifty percent thanks first, to the over 25 percent drop in range simply due to cold, then add in MORE RANGE LOST due to running a heater, a defroster, and headlights in snowing conditions- then subtract EVEN MORE RANGE due to the cargo its hauling- that it was NOT designed to do!

OH- and another LIE-beral deal- Ontari-owe currently has one of the LEAST RELIABLE electrical distribution systems in North America! It NEEDS to be rebuilt- and LIE-beral will tell us that electric cars NEED the improvements to "save the environment" FOR LIE-BERALS!!! It will be a great excuse- new jobs- for LIE-beral union Hogs! Raises in pay for everybody- who is a LIE-beral pal! And we get to PAY for Hog greed yet again! The system NEEDS rebuilding because Hogs NEGLECTED it in their greed for gravy!

And WHO CARES that battery technology is advancing so fast that any charging setup that LIE-berals waste billions on today may be OBSOLETE before it is fully installed!

And really- how BAD could LIE-berals screw it all up? Consider that the E-health scandal is NOT DONE! Its just off the radar thanks to LIE-beral friendly media speaking no evil of LIE-berals! LIE-berals have solved the over cost and over budget greed of E-health Hogs by the simple expedient of NOT SETTING A BUDGET! Yes- LIE-berals now just ship BLANK CHEQUES to those Hogs- who ARE still working on that crap!

And how about the Presto transit card readers? At the time the system was chosen- we were warned that Presto was the most costly, least efficient and least used of several systems available- and now here we are some years later- and TTC has just SUSPENDED INSTALLATION of Presto card readers due to reliability issues!

And maybe we should talk about and utter a few curses over the Phoenix pay system that several govts have been screwing with? Reality is it ought to be scrapped and the old system restored- but civil service union Hogs do not wish to admit they have messed up so BADLY- and wasted several billion dollars- so we are now paying over twice as much as was originally budgeted and the damned thing STILL DOES NOT WORK PROPERLY!

And how about the smart meters? Those wonderful devices that were supposed to save us money? Did you get YOUR BENEFIT from those crap meters? I did not and neither did my neighbours! On the plus side- our area did not get the type of meters that catch fire and burn down your house! I guess we should be grateful for SMALL MERCIES?

And what of the battery powered buses that TTC bought a few years back? You know the ones I mean- the ones with HALF the range expected and with various maintenance issues as well? Do you want the same clowns producing your cars?

And how will we feel if Bombardier is chosen to produce the chargers? And how will we feel if they get another huge chunk of LIE-beral cash in exchange for those idle promises they issue so glibly? And then get years behind in producing the damned things? The way Bombardier is working on TTC street cars and LRT prototype rail cars- the builders all apparently all intend to RETIRE due to old age after the product is built......SOME DAY? Your brand new electric car- the one LIE-berals intend to FORCE you to buy- is useless without a charger!

Or maybe we should talk about the MFP computer scandal that rocked Toronto Silly Hall a decade back? Its just MORE PROOF that LIE-berals and their civil service union Hog allies could not run a chip truck at a profit- not even if you gave them the potatoes for FREE!

And idiot LIE-berals and Hogs THINK they can go into a meeting room with Elon Musk and have the Hogs come back out later still wearing their shirts? Musk is a great salesman and a wild dreamer and a slick talker- which makes him the smartest person in a room full of Hogs! But THAT IS ALL HE IS- he is a dreamer working with inadequate technology! If LIE-berals do enter into any deal with the likes of Musk- then we will ALL lose our shirts! And Musk will laugh all the way to the bank!
 
captain morgan
+1
#96
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

Reliability, fuel efficiency, purchase price, modest repair cost- and that other thing NO electric car currently has- good towing and cargo capacity are the things Cdns are seeking! Strap a roof rack or a trailer onto an electric car and watch the range PLUMMET! Better yet- strap on some gear and send it out in freezing weather- and watch it getting TOWED HOME to the re-charger because the range dropped by fifty percent thanks first, to the over 25 percent drop in range simply due to cold, then add in MORE RANGE LOST due to running a heater, a defroster, and headlights in snowing conditions- then subtract EVEN MORE RANGE due to the cargo its hauling- that it was NOT designed to do!

These are among the practical reasons that EVs aren't anywhere near ready to replace ICEs
 
Danbones
+1
#97
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

How is the electrikery to run this system generated?



You can see the red rocket peaking out at the very top.


Honestly I think tesla has the right idea, but not for the canadian climate and countryside.
Last edited by Danbones; Apr 13th, 2018 at 06:01 PM..
 
taxslave
+1
#98
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

The aroma of delicious fresh baked cinnamon buns is the magical source of this unlimited electricity.

i was told this by the guy that invented the interwebs, therefore, it is fact

Boris the Spider?
 
gopher
#99
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

Wasting your time, Gopher. No matter what iron-clad evidence you submit technophobes like CM will always deny them.

Yup, it's their tax dollars that are being wasted in this corporate welfare but they just won't open their eyes. They are too closed minded to see the truth.
 
captain morgan
+2
#100
Quote: Originally Posted by Danbones View Post



You can see the red rocket peaking out at the very top.


Honestly I think tesla has the right idea, but not for the canadian climate and countryside.

How many lemons will it take to power an EV... More importantly, how much fuel will it take to plant, maintain and harvest that crop of lemons?

Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Boris the Spider?

That takes me back

Quote: Originally Posted by gopher View Post

Yup, it's their tax dollars that are being wasted in this corporate welfare but they just won't open their eyes. They are too closed minded to see the truth.

Solyndra
 
Danbones
+1
#101
With the way wynne and other governments have messed up our hydro, there is NO way electric cars will work here for the common man.

speaking of "subsidies..."

#7 Hydro-Québec generates a full 10% of power in New England
The deal began in 1986, under the name “New England Transmission,” which sends energy from the stations along La Grande River to the Boston area. You're welcome, 'Merica.


#9 Hydro-Québec sells power at the lowest rate in all of North America
Even though your energy bill might not make it seem like that.
https://www.mtlblog.com/lifestyle/hydro-quebec-prices

#13 Hydro-Québec buys power from Labrador at 1969 prices
Specifically from the Churchill Falls Generating Station, and the deal for cheaper rates will last until 2041.

Guess who pays for that cheap electricity quebec sells.
 
spilledthebeer
#102
[QUOTE=Danbones;2609215]With the way wynne and other governments have messed up our hydro, there is NO way electric cars will work here for the common man.

speaking of "subsidies..."

#7 Hydro-Québec generates a full 10% of power in New England
The deal began in 1986, under the name “New England Transmission,” which sends energy from the stations along La Grande River to the Boston area. You're welcome, 'Merica.


#9 Hydro-Québec sells power at the lowest rate in all of North America
Even though your energy bill might not make it seem like that.
https://www.mtlblog.com/lifestyle/hydro-quebec-prices

Yes- govt DOES like to meddle in business affairs! And THAT IS THE PROBLEM! LIE-berals gave Quebec that wonderful deal selling Labrador electricity for political reasons.

LIE-bera;s have turned our electrical system into a giant slush fund for their pals- for political reasons.

LIE-berals have offered up all sorts of dirty back room deals to various businesses for political reasons- and now disgruntled civil service union Hogs who think they own the world want to mess up the deals so they can grab even more gravy for VERY SELFISH political reasons!

AS for electric cars- LIE-berals crow that business has jumped on the green energy band wagon but they will JUMP BACK OFF- just as soon as LIE-berals stop throwing cash at them!

General Motors is planning to LOSE $9 grand U.S. on each electric car it sells in California- thansk to govt meddling- with the $9 grand to be made up by others- GM HOPES!

As for Tesla- they have just been hit with another major credit score down grade- a few bold analysts have even suggested Tesla is on the road to bankruptcy! Personally I think that is a bit of a stretch but there is no doubt Tesla has taken on too much and is struggling badly. Tesla has ofver estimated the strength of the electric car market- thanks to those govt gifts! MUsk is an engineer not a politicdian and does not see how disgusted the public is with LIE-beral meddling!

Killing tax deals with oil companies would certainly cause a price rise and difficulties in the market- but people would NOT stop buying gas- the number of people who use gas for all manner of vehicles and toys is huge compared to the eccentric minority who drive novelty electric cars! Add in the LIE-beral created car charging mess in Ontari-owe and it is clear the electric car business is precarious indeed!
 
captain morgan
#103
Quote: Originally Posted by Danbones View Post

With the way wynne and other governments have messed up our hydro, there is NO way electric cars will work here for the common man.

speaking of "subsidies..."

#7 Hydro-Québec generates a full 10% of power in New England
The deal began in 1986, under the name “New England Transmission,” which sends energy from the stations along La Grande River to the Boston area. You're welcome, 'Merica.


#9 Hydro-Québec sells power at the lowest rate in all of North America
Even though your energy bill might not make it seem like that.
https://www.mtlblog.com/lifestyle/hydro-quebec-prices

#13 Hydro-Québec buys power from Labrador at 1969 prices
Specifically from the Churchill Falls Generating Station, and the deal for cheaper rates will last until 2041.

Guess who pays for that cheap electricity quebec sells.

Doesn't Ontario have exceptionally high hydro prices?

I seem to recall a news item where some lady (single mom) confronted trudeau about her electricity bill that was $2-3 thousand/mo
 
gopher
#104
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan;




Solyndra


Yup. Always bring up Obama and ignore the infinite failings of the delusional far right. Great distraction as usual. No surprise why Trump bombed an honest research lab in Syria as it serves to get people's attention away from his failings as well.
 
spilledthebeer
#105
Quote: Originally Posted by gopher View Post

Yup. Always bring up Obama and ignore the infinite failings of the delusional far right. Great distraction as usual. No surprise why Trump bombed an honest research lab in Syria as it serves to get people's attention away from his failings as well.

Ontari-owe LIE-berals claim we have middle of the road hydro prices but the reality is we pay just about the highest prices in North America- while at the same time we put up with one of the most failure prone systems as well! LIE-berals have handled our electrical system as efficiently as our auto insurance- with NO RATE REDUCTION but we did get a FIFTY PERCENT REDUCTION in accident benefits! Only LIE-berals see virtue in higher prices and lower service!

Here is another example of the utterly twisted values and priorities of our wretched LIE-beral overlords. With some comments of my own in brackets):

Shocking? Hydro One wants to spend $15 million to redesign Ontario electricity bills

Canadian Press. Published: January 11, 2018. Updated: January 11, 2018 4:35 PM EST

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ News/ Canada

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TORONTO — Ontario’s largest and recently privatized electricity utility has spent $9 million to redesign bills and is proposing to spend an additional $6 million on the project.

Hydro One has come under fire for spending since the Liberal government sold more than half of the company, notably for its CEO’s $4.5-million pay.

(One MUST admire the dedication and loyalty that LIE-berals offer to their closest friends and allies- at OUR expense!)

Hydro One’s bills were redesigned in 2017 and now there's a plan to further redesign the bills – with a total cost of $15 million. That expense is being used to prop up Hydro One’s request to hike hydro bills yet again. https://t.co/U7Vq7Fehvf #onpoli
— Ontario NDP (@OntarioNDP) January 11, 2018

Now, the NDP is raising concerns with the $15-million bill redesign expense contained in a rate application from the formerly public utility.

“I don’t think the problem we face is a bill that people can’t understand, I think the problem is rates that are too high,” said energy critic Peter Tabuns. “Fifteen million dollars seems awfully expensive to me.”

But Hydro One says a 2016 survey of its customers indicated about 40% had trouble understanding their bills.

(One OBVIOUS question would be how much of our bill is dedicated to the LIE-beral carbon crap and trade scam that only cleans wallets and leaves the dirt in the air! Another question would be how it is possible to spend $15 million dollars to produce a monthly bill of sale showing how much electricity you used, how much the unit cost is, how much it cost to deliver and what sales tax is owing for that service? And of course LIE-berals do want us to know how much they have temporarily lowered the price in the face of public rage but DO NOT want to tell us how much further they have pushed us into debt for that short lived “price reduction”! Nor do LIE-berals wish to tell us how much money is being syphoned off to pay for civil service union Hog pensions!)

(To produce a clear and honest bill is easy- one has only to look at what any retailer will give you if you actually buy something. It seems to me the ONLY excuse for spending that $15 million is if you are trying to HIDE the truth- without making your deception obvious to an angry public! That LIE-berals sold off a portion of our electrical system to their FRIENDS and then slammed shut the books and told us it is NONE of our business what LIE-beral pals do with our money merely fuels public anger!)

Peter Tabuns, NDP provincial energy, environment and energy critic demands the Kathleen Wynne stop the new $15M hydro bill redesign on Thursday January 11, 2018. (Jack Boland/Toronto Sun/Postmedia Network)

Ferio Pugliese, the company’s executive vice-president of customer care and corporate affairs, said the redesign was aimed at giving customers a simpler bill.

“The new format is a format that when tested and put in front of our customers has been designed to give customers the four or five salient items they want to see on their bill,” he said.

(Typical “LIE-beral speak” there- all they intend to give is the final price with no other information as our electrical system is now “privately owned” by Hogs!)

About $9 million has already gone into redesigning bills, mostly for residential customers, Pugliese said. Cosmetic changes to bills account for about 25% of the cost, with the rest of the money going toward updating information systems and improving digital billing platforms, he said.

(IN other words Hogs have neglected our Hydro accounting system as badly as our water, sewer, bridges and roads and now need to upgrade worn out crap! It’s the typical Hog choice- repair necessary stuff or take pay raises- and GRAVY wins every time! Problem is we NEVER did have enough money to both repair infrastructure AND supply gravy for Hogs! So LIE-berals simply BORROWED - endlessly and now we are deep in debt and Hogs demand that we borrow even more so there will be money for both gravy AND repairs! Hogs break our economy with their gross demands!)

The additional $6 million Hydro One is looking to spend would go toward bill changes mostly for its commercial, industrial and large distribution account customers.

(Which indicates even more neglect of infrastructure!)

Energy Minister Glenn Thibeault noted in a statement that the Ontario Energy Board has yet to decide on the expense, but he suggested he sees the bill redesign as necessary.

“With Ontarians wanting clearer bills that are easier to understand, Hydro One’s bill redesign project is a necessary improvement that will help customers,” he wrote.

“Reductions from the Fair Hydro Plan (the government’s 25% cut to bills last year) are important information for both households and businesses, and it’s our job to provide clear, helpful answers whenever possible.”

(To bad LIE-berals LEFT OUT a pack of small businesses from their grand Hydro offer! But then small biz is not unionized- meaning no friends of LIE-berals and are mostly hostile to LIE-berals so they can be safely SCREWED- without losing LIE-beral votes! One has to ask if one reason for LIE-berals to be changing tax law to hit small biz and also ordering them to raise the minimum wage is because small biz has embarrassed LIE-berals too often by exposing their price and tax gouging?)

The OEB recently ordered Hydro One to lower a rate increase it had been seeking for this year to 0.2% down from 4.8%.

(A 4.8 percent rate increase? So much for the LIE-beral claim of LOW inflation! And this is an Ontari-owe election year so shall we guess that the rate increase was scaled back- until LIE-berals get safely past the election? What increase will LIE-berals allow in 2019 if they win the election? We can be assured that if LIE-berals win another election they will go on a rampage- looting and pillaging on a fantastic scale to gather up the gravy they need to PAY for their promises to Hog voters! WE do know that College and University senior staff have demanded an immediate FIFTY PERCENT RAISE- with LIE-berals telling them to shut up and quit rocking the political boat- till AFTER the election! Loot and pillage is a MAJOR part of LIE-beral future plans!)

The regulator also rejected a Hydro One proposal to give shareholders all of the tax savings generated by the IPO in 2015 when the Liberal government first began partially privatizing the utility. The OEB instead mandated shareholders receive 62% of the savings while ratepayers receive the remaining 38%.

(AS I said- LIE-berals look after their pals! We owned the entire system till LIE-berals sold it to their FRIENDS in exchange for votes- yet LIE-beral pals get the major share of tax savings while we get the short end- and this is how they reward pals in an election year- when they ought to be on their best behaviour! As I said- if they win in June 2018 there will be NO stopping them!)
 
Bar Sinister
+1
#106
Quote: Originally Posted by gopher View Post

Yup. Always bring up Obama and ignore the infinite failings of the delusional far right. Great distraction as usual. No surprise why Trump bombed an honest research lab in Syria as it serves to get people's attention away from his failings as well.


If you really think that an actual research lab was bombed, then I'd like to sell you a bridge. I'm guessing the US has pinpointed all of Syria's weapons sites. Those hundreds of military satellites and spy planes must be good for something..
 
Cliffy
#107
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

If you really think that an actual research lab was bombed, then I'd like to sell you a bridge. I'm guessing the US has pinpointed all of Syria's weapons sites. Those hundreds of military satellites and spy planes must be good for something..

Propaganda. The US couldn't find their own balls with both hands.
 
Bar Sinister
#108
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Propaganda. The US couldn't find their own balls with both hands.

I guess you should tell Osama bin Laden that. Oh, wait a minute, you can't.
 
Cliffy
#109
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

I guess you should tell Osama bin Laden that. Oh, wait a minute, you can't.

Have you never wondered why the entire Seal Team 6 that supposedly took him out were all killed shortly after and that they dumped his so called body unceremoniously out at sea without even taking a picture? No proof and no witnesses. Sure makes me wonder.
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#110
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Have you never wondered why the entire Seal Team 6 that supposedly took him out were all killed shortly after and that they dumped his so called body unceremoniously out at sea without even taking a picture? No proof and no witnesses. Sure makes me wonder.

HAHAHAHA!! PIty the poor desperate LIE-berals- we have wandered from the topic of how impractical electric cars currently are nd how they can only survive if fed a steady diet of govt grants by LIE-berals over to a wacko conspiracy over Bin Lauden as LIE-berals frantically try to distract us from their MANY delusions and failures!

And here is a post explaining why the govts that replace spendthrift LIE-berals wil choose NOT to subsidize electric toy makers like Tesla:

Here is another article illustrating the total failure of all LIE-beral policy. With some comments of my own in brackets):

Liberals write off $200 million in student loans federal government will never collect

From Canadian Press. Published: February 16, 2018. Updated: February 16, 2018 1:38 PM EST

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ News/ Canada

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OTTAWA — The federal government is writing off more than $200 million in outstanding student loan payments that officials will never be able to collect.

Recently released spending documents show the government won’t collect $203.5 million in debts from 34,240 students.

It is the third time in the last four years that the government has had to write off outstanding student loans even as officials make concerted efforts to round up more money from borrowers.

The government annually has to write off some of the $19 billion owing in student loans for a number of reasons: a debtor may file for bankruptcy, the debt itself passes a six-year legal limit on collection, or the debtor can’t be found.

The Liberals have looked to make it easier for graduates to pay off their loans — and the government to collect the cash — by increasing the minimum annual income they have to make before they are required to make debt payments.

The limit is now set at $25,000.

(Well yes- LIE-berals would have to raise the minimum income- to cover for that minimum wage increase- it would not do to show the truth- that the wage increase- and MORE will be eaten up by increased LIE-beral taxes and fees on EVERYTHING- once we get past the election! But there is poison in that LIE-beral policy- even though you may not make that $25 grand threshold- the INTEREST on the loan keeps clicking over! Yes- since you aint enough income tax- they have created the ingenious alternative- keeping you in debt with- steady interest charges! You are not being taxed- but you still owe that gravy to Hogs!)

The most recent annual report on the Canada Student Loans Program said that in the 2014-2015 fiscal year, the government provided 489,000 full-time students with $2.7 billion in loans and a further $20.9 million in loans to 12,100 part-time students.

(Too bad that 25 percent of kids who graduate from public institutions and 35 percent of kids who graduate from those privately owned colleges end up declaring bankruptcy- this in spite of ever more vigorous LIE-beral efforts to collect from the kids!)

(And too bad the job numbers provided by self serving Hogs are FAKE! A neighbours kid went through the heavy equipment operator training plus truck driving school and ended up doing deliveries in a company pick up truck- FOR A YEAR- till the govt grant ran out and HE WAS FIRED- and replaced by a cheaper high school kid! This is the dirty secret behind to many job claims! No govt grant-equals no job! Colleges consider you a “success” if you get any sort of minimum wage crap- even if not related to your field of study!)

Borrowers typically take between nine and 15 years to fully pay off their loan and the period usually overlaps with when Canadians are most likely to start a family.

(And LIE-berals wonder why semi employed and dead broke kids who got educated as LIE-berals desired STILL find it hard to pay even basic bills! Taking 9-15 years to pay off an education for which both kids and parents have anticipated and saved for is a classic illustration of price gouging by civil service Hogs- the real world pay for graduates DOES NOT match the civil service union Hog COST! And things will be getting worse as education costs are set to SOAR! Senior College and university staff are demanding a FIFTY PERCENT pay raise- with LIE-berals telling them to shut up- till AFTER the election!)

(Unionized support staff are in a legal battle at the Supreme Court insisting that their rights have been violated by LIE-berals imposing contracts on them- this in spite of long standing democratic tradition that businesses having a monopoly on an essential service are legally entitled to be heavily regulated by govt- for the public benefit!)

(LIE-berals are caught out- they desperately NEED Hog votes so they can to cling to power- and they desperately NEED to avoid public fury at the price that we will be forced to pay as LIE-berals tax and loot and pillage to raise the gravy for their vastly rich promises to those Hogs! No wonder the kids are broke and angry- they are trying to get onto the economic ladder but tax mad LIE-berals have sawed off all the bottom rungs!)

The Canadian Alliance of Student Associations called on the government late last month to also give new parents a break from student loan payments when they are on parental leave, even if they are receiving employment insurance benefits.

(LIE-beral policy is a TWISTED MESS! LIE-berals tell us we NEED immigrants because Cdns are not having enough kids- and then they tax our kids into oblivion so they can bring in a bunch of Syrian future jihadist security problems! And they plan to spend billions more on unskilled and often semi literate illegals who have no hope of surviving here without major govt aid- but hey- LIE-berals ENJOY BUYING ethnic votes! Our idiot Boy Justin has told us that immigrants are better Cdns because they chose to come here- over people who were only born here!!)

(It is this LIE-beral need to buy votes without fully enraging public opinion that is driving LIE-beral censorship efforts- using things like Islamophobia as a club to silence all voices critical of any LIE-beral policy! LIE-berals recently arrested a Mississauga man for offering up $1000 to anybody who could provide video proof of hate speech taking place in Cdn Mosques- yes- LIE-berals have hauled a man into their Human Rights Kangaroo Court for trying to buy VERIFIED PROOF! And yet LIE-berals IGNORED two Cdn reporters who claimed there was nothing but radical speech present on Cdn Mosque and Islamic school web sites- with the only shield being the posts were written in Arabic- which one of the reporters could read! The reporters told us that “moderate voices were being shouted down by radicals” in Canada and LIE-berals ignored them! LIE-berals do not enjoy bullying people who CAN fight back- such as the reporters! Divide and conquer is a LIE-beral mantra!)

Student groups have also asked the Liberals to make higher education more affordable, including requests to provide more financial help to Indigenous students.

(More financial aid to natives will accomplish nothing as only about 25 percent of natives living on reserves even graduate from high school- with even smaller numbers- who already enjoy FULL govt scholarships for higher education bothering to take advantage of the no cost govt offers!)
 
captain morgan
#111
There are hardly any EVs on the road today.... Proof-positive that they are just not a practical alternative to the trusty old ICE's out there.

... Sorry to burst your bubble ecoweenies
 
petros
+2
#112
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Have you never wondered why the entire Seal Team 6 that supposedly took him out were all killed shortly after and that they dumped his so called body unceremoniously out at sea without even taking a picture? No proof and no witnesses. Sure makes me wonder.

Seal team 6 doesn't exist. There are only 3.
 
DaSleeper
+2
#113
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Seal team 6 doesn't exist. There are only 3.

Don't argue with facebook experts!!
 
petros
#114
Naval Special Warfare Development Group
 
captain morgan
#115
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

Don't argue with facebook experts!!

They know most everything, so it's basically fact
 
Bar Sinister
#116
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Have you never wondered why the entire Seal Team 6 that supposedly took him out were all killed shortly after and that they dumped his so called body unceremoniously out at sea without even taking a picture? No proof and no witnesses. Sure makes me wonder.

Are you into conspiracy theories? As for Seal Team 6, the member who shot Bin Laden just wrote a book, so it sounds like he is still alive. And in any case it doesn't detract from my point about the effectiveness of US surveillance systems.

Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

There are hardly any EVs on the road today.... Proof-positive that they are just not a practical alternative to the trusty old ICE's out there.

... Sorry to burst your bubble ecoweenies

In 1900 only 10,000 automobiles were produced worldwide. So sorry to burst your bubble petrodolt.
 
Hoid
#117
Over 2 million e vehicles on the road world wide
 
taxslave
#118
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Have you never wondered why the entire Seal Team 6 that supposedly took him out were all killed shortly after and that they dumped his so called body unceremoniously out at sea without even taking a picture? No proof and no witnesses. Sure makes me wonder.

There has never been a wacko conspiracy theory you didn't buy into.

Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

HAHAHAHA!! PIty the poor desperate LIE-berals- we have wandered from the topic of how impractical electric cars currently are nd how they can only survive if fed a steady diet of govt grants by LIE-berals over to a wacko conspiracy over Bin Lauden as LIE-berals frantically try to distract us from their MANY delusions and failures!

And here is a post explaining why the govts that replace spendthrift LIE-berals wil choose NOT to subsidize electric toy makers like Tesla:

Here is another article illustrating the total failure of all LIE-beral policy. With some comments of my own in brackets):

Liberals write off $200 million in student loans federal government will never collect

From Canadian Press. Published: February 16, 2018. Updated: February 16, 2018 1:38 PM EST

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ News/ Canada

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OTTAWA — The federal government is writing off more than $200 million in outstanding student loan payments that officials will never be able to collect.

Recently released spending documents show the government won’t collect $203.5 million in debts from 34,240 students.

It is the third time in the last four years that the government has had to write off outstanding student loans even as officials make concerted efforts to round up more money from borrowers.

The government annually has to write off some of the $19 billion owing in student loans for a number of reasons: a debtor may file for bankruptcy, the debt itself passes a six-year legal limit on collection, or the debtor can’t be found.

The Liberals have looked to make it easier for graduates to pay off their loans — and the government to collect the cash — by increasing the minimum annual income they have to make before they are required to make debt payments.

The limit is now set at $25,000.

(Well yes- LIE-berals would have to raise the minimum income- to cover for that minimum wage increase- it would not do to show the truth- that the wage increase- and MORE will be eaten up by increased LIE-beral taxes and fees on EVERYTHING- once we get past the election! But there is poison in that LIE-beral policy- even though you may not make that $25 grand threshold- the INTEREST on the loan keeps clicking over! Yes- since you aint enough income tax- they have created the ingenious alternative- keeping you in debt with- steady interest charges! You are not being taxed- but you still owe that gravy to Hogs!)

The most recent annual report on the Canada Student Loans Program said that in the 2014-2015 fiscal year, the government provided 489,000 full-time students with $2.7 billion in loans and a further $20.9 million in loans to 12,100 part-time students.

(Too bad that 25 percent of kids who graduate from public institutions and 35 percent of kids who graduate from those privately owned colleges end up declaring bankruptcy- this in spite of ever more vigorous LIE-beral efforts to collect from the kids!)

(And too bad the job numbers provided by self serving Hogs are FAKE! A neighbours kid went through the heavy equipment operator training plus truck driving school and ended up doing deliveries in a company pick up truck- FOR A YEAR- till the govt grant ran out and HE WAS FIRED- and replaced by a cheaper high school kid! This is the dirty secret behind to many job claims! No govt grant-equals no job! Colleges consider you a “success” if you get any sort of minimum wage crap- even if not related to your field of study!)

Borrowers typically take between nine and 15 years to fully pay off their loan and the period usually overlaps with when Canadians are most likely to start a family.

(And LIE-berals wonder why semi employed and dead broke kids who got educated as LIE-berals desired STILL find it hard to pay even basic bills! Taking 9-15 years to pay off an education for which both kids and parents have anticipated and saved for is a classic illustration of price gouging by civil service Hogs- the real world pay for graduates DOES NOT match the civil service union Hog COST! And things will be getting worse as education costs are set to SOAR! Senior College and university staff are demanding a FIFTY PERCENT pay raise- with LIE-berals telling them to shut up- till AFTER the election!)

(Unionized support staff are in a legal battle at the Supreme Court insisting that their rights have been violated by LIE-berals imposing contracts on them- this in spite of long standing democratic tradition that businesses having a monopoly on an essential service are legally entitled to be heavily regulated by govt- for the public benefit!)

(LIE-berals are caught out- they desperately NEED Hog votes so they can to cling to power- and they desperately NEED to avoid public fury at the price that we will be forced to pay as LIE-berals tax and loot and pillage to raise the gravy for their vastly rich promises to those Hogs! No wonder the kids are broke and angry- they are trying to get onto the economic ladder but tax mad LIE-berals have sawed off all the bottom rungs!)

The Canadian Alliance of Student Associations called on the government late last month to also give new parents a break from student loan payments when they are on parental leave, even if they are receiving employment insurance benefits.

(LIE-beral policy is a TWISTED MESS! LIE-berals tell us we NEED immigrants because Cdns are not having enough kids- and then they tax our kids into oblivion so they can bring in a bunch of Syrian future jihadist security problems! And they plan to spend billions more on unskilled and often semi literate illegals who have no hope of surviving here without major govt aid- but hey- LIE-berals ENJOY BUYING ethnic votes! Our idiot Boy Justin has told us that immigrants are better Cdns because they chose to come here- over people who were only born here!!)

(It is this LIE-beral need to buy votes without fully enraging public opinion that is driving LIE-beral censorship efforts- using things like Islamophobia as a club to silence all voices critical of any LIE-beral policy! LIE-berals recently arrested a Mississauga man for offering up $1000 to anybody who could provide video proof of hate speech taking place in Cdn Mosques- yes- LIE-berals have hauled a man into their Human Rights Kangaroo Court for trying to buy VERIFIED PROOF! And yet LIE-berals IGNORED two Cdn reporters who claimed there was nothing but radical speech present on Cdn Mosque and Islamic school web sites- with the only shield being the posts were written in Arabic- which one of the reporters could read! The reporters told us that “moderate voices were being shouted down by radicals” in Canada and LIE-berals ignored them! LIE-berals do not enjoy bullying people who CAN fight back- such as the reporters! Divide and conquer is a LIE-beral mantra!)

Student groups have also asked the Liberals to make higher education more affordable, including requests to provide more financial help to Indigenous students.

(More financial aid to natives will accomplish nothing as only about 25 percent of natives living on reserves even graduate from high school- with even smaller numbers- who already enjoy FULL govt scholarships for higher education bothering to take advantage of the no cost govt offers!)

Simple solution would be to just keep the files open until they try to collect any government pension or other payments such as EI, welfare etc and deduct what is owing from that. Plus interest of course.

Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Over 2 million e vehicles on the road world wide

The US$ that soil alone puts more than that in new gas powered cars on the road each and every single year. Last month Peter built put their 1 millionth truck on the road.
 
captain morgan
#119
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

The US$ that soil alone puts more than that in new gas powered cars on the road each and every single year. Last month Peter built put their 1 millionth truck on the road.

Hilarious, isn't it.

.. And the usual suspects need to refer back to 1900 to make so pathetic and unrelated point
 
spilledthebeer
#120
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

Hilarious, isn't it.

.. And the usual suspects need to refer back to 1900 to make so pathetic and unrelated point

Yes- LIE-berals are both pathetic and DESPERATE! Somebody made a good point above- that the supposedly dead Seal team six leader just posted a book about the hunt for Bin Lauden!

LIE-berals NEVER let reality interrupt a good conspiracy theory! And they do not suffer shame when exposed either! Consider the shameless LIE-beral propaganda exposed below:

Here is an older article illustrating one of the great scams of our times. With some comments of my own in brackets):

B.C. carbon tax claims mostly hot air.

By Lorrie Goldstein. Published: January 15, 2018. Updated: January 15, 2018 8:27 PM EST

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ Opinion/ Columnists

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Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau holds his G7 closing press conference, in Taormina, southern Italy, Saturday, May 27, 2017. A summit of the leaders of the world's wealthiest democracies has ended without a unanimous agreement on climate change, as the Trump administration plans to take more time to say whether the U.S. is going to remain in the Paris climate deal.

The more real-world experience Canadians have with government-imposed carbon pricing schemes, the more evidence mounts they are money-grabbing scams.

Praised as one of the world’s best carbon taxes when it was introduced by the then-Liberal government of British Columbia on July 1, 2008, B.C.’s revenue neutral carbon tax, the first of its kind in Canada, has had an insignificant impact on industrial greenhouse gas emissions linked to climate change.

Today, B.C.’s carbon tax is no longer revenue neutral.

The Liberals, prior to their defeat in last year’s provincial election, admitted in 2015 their carbon tax would fail to meet the target they set when they introduced it in 2008 of cutting B.C.’s emissions by at least 33% below 2007 levels by 2020.

This despite billions of taxpayer dollars going into the effort.

(The dirty LIE-beral carbon secret is that their carbon scam is merely designed to ensure that Sunshine List civil service union Hogs have the gravy they need to maintain their already large carbon foot print! What happens to the rest of us is no concern of LIE-berals- just so long as we stop driving on THEIR ROADS and stop smoking up THEIR AIR! Our sh+t stinks- but theirs - NEVER DOES!)

As of 2015, the latest year for which figures are available, B.C.’s total emissions were 63.325 megatonnes (a megatonne or Mt represents one million tonnes) compared to 64.660 Mt in 2007.

That’s a drop of just 1.335 Mt between 2007 and 2015, or 2.1%, nowhere near “at least 33%” by 2020.

(IN other words- emissions faded in 2008 thanks to the mortgage melt down and stayed low till the economy sort of recovered and then emissions bounced way back! LIE-berals simply do not see any connection between their refusal to supply funding for new transit and increased greenhouse gas emissions! People doing shift work at short notice simply do not have the luxury of getting onto antiquated and overloaded public transit and trundling off to work when called- and frankly- many bosses DEMAND that you own a car so you can arrive swiftly when needed- and those workers without cars or without access to reliable parents cars are swiftly forgotten by bosses- hence the steady rise in emissions largely due to shift work! Also- our population grows every year and that means more emissions! LIE-beral policy is failing and swirling in circles like turds flushed in a toilet!)

In fact, B.C.’s emissions are going up, rising by 1.6% in 2015 and 2.3% over the last three years.

(Shift work also puts pressure economically- consider the night shift worker trying to sleep in mid day on a hot summer afternoon- windows shut to keep out sleep disturbing noise- and air conditioner running at premium rates because the windows are shut and there can be no cooling night breeze coming in! Shift workers often pay dearly for working nights!)

While the government says emissions are down 4.9% over 10 years, the major reason for that was the 2009 global recession.

(AS the collapse of the Soviet Union has proved- you CAN make drastic reductions in greenhouse gas emissions but ONLY if you let your economy collapse first! The quickest and easiest way to reduce our emissions is to cut back on gravy for Hogs- then the people already working with the largest carbon footprint WILL have to cut back! Less gravy translates into less rides on airplanes- the dirtiest way to travel; and it means less trips on sea doos and atv`s; means less aimless driving around to restaurants and bars for the hell of it; means picking up a rake instead of gas powered leaf blower. Means rationing the air conditioner. In short- Hogs will start living like the rest of us- buying smaller houses and shunning gas guzzling toys and thinking often about how to save pennies by shrinking their carbon foot print! And since Hogs already have so much better pay than the rest of us- there IS social justice in making them cut back first and most!)

B.C.’s carbon tax started at $10 per tonne in 2008, rising by $5 annually until 2012, when the Liberals froze it at $30 per tonne.

The province’s new NDP government will raise the carbon price to $35 per tonne on April 1, 2018, followed by annual increments of $5 until it hits $50 per tonne on April 1, 2021.

That’s one year ahead of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s requirement all provinces and territories have a minimum carbon price of $50 per tonne by 2022.

When it was introduced, B.C.’s carbon tax was, unlike other carbon pricing schemes in Canada, revenue neutral, returning all the money it raised to taxpayers through broad-based personal income and corporate tax cuts.

But B.C.’s new NDP government officially abandoned revenue neutrality in its 2017 budget, saying it will spend the money on projects to reduce emissions.

(Meaning friends of NDP and LIE-berals will get a nice serving of gravy in exchange for doing maintenance on public housing and govt offices- work that OUGHT to have been done a decade or more ago- but providing gravy for Hogs was more important- LIE-berals make hypocrite virtue of necessity!)

Given B.C.’s experience, the idea Trudeau’s national carbon price — starting at $10 per tonne this year and rising to $50 in 2022 — will meet his promised United Nations’ targets of reducing Canada’s emissions to 17% below 2005 levels by 2020, and 30% below by 2030, is absurd.

As of 2015, the latest year for which figures are available, Canada’s annual emissions were 722 Mt.

To meet Trudeau’s 2020 and 2030 targets, Canada’s emissions would have to be 613 Mt in 2020 and 517 Mt in 2030.

That means Canada is currently 109 Mt, or 18%, above Trudeau’s 2020 target and 205 Mt, or 40%, above his 2030 target.

Now compare that to B.C., where a $10 per tonne carbon price imposed in 2008, rising to $30 in 2012, reduced emissions by only 1.335 Mt, or 2.1% compared to 2007, between 2008 and 2015.

(Then add the mortgage melt down influence on the 2.1% and the carbon price clearly had NO REAL influence! But it gave a lot of Hogs MORE GRAVY!)

All Trudeau’s carbon price, along with the provincial carbon schemes resulting from it will do, is hit Canadians with billions of dollars in new costs for most goods and services, while failing to deliver the promised emission cuts.

B.C.’s carbon tax proves it.

(But it will give LIE-berals lots of gravy to buy Hog support and maybe enable LIE-berals to cling to power at any price- and THAT IS KEY!)
 

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