Tesla's electric cars aren't as green as you might think


captain morgan
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#61
Quote: Originally Posted by gopher View Post

fossil fuel subsidies include direct handouts:

Fossil Fuel Subsidies: Overview - Oil Change InternationalOil Change International


billions more in other forms

The article you referenced talks a helluva game but comes up short on any factual presentations.

In the end, their fuzzy definition is presented exactly in that manner in order to broaden their preferred definition of the term 'subsidy'

From the first paragraph of the article:

A fossil fuel subsidy is any government action that lowers the cost of fossil fuel energy production, raises the price received by energy producers, or lowers the price paid by energy consumers. Essentially, it’s anything that rigs the game in favor of fossil fuels compared to other energy sources.

I couldn't help but chuckle at the definition, especially as it relates to 'other energy sources'.... All I could think of were the Solyndras of the world (and yep, there are tons)


Quote: Originally Posted by gopher View Post

Solyndra was just that once - the oil industry gets their handouts every year

BS - The entire wind and solar industries in NorAm and Europe do not exist without direct cash subsidies, contract guarantees and gvt supported rates.

You'll have noticed that once Germany eliminated their direct support of the wind energy sector, they shriveled up
 
gopher
#62
^ as we discussed previously, I have also objected to subsidies for windwill projects

now we need for folks like you to take the same position on such welfarism for oil interests and other elites
 
Bar Sinister
#63
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

Oh poor LIE-berals- they are scurrying about like cockroaches that have suddenly found themselves in the bright light of day. Fed up Cdn voters have examined LIE-beral policy and declared all of it to be utter failure! Even worse- LIE-berals have run out of cash to offer up to persuade some of us to look the other way- as LIE-berals work to make Canada better- FOR THEM! Here is an article illustrating how empty LIE-beral values are. With some comments of my own in brackets):

Doug Ford's tax break won't cut it for poor, Liberals claim

By Antonella Artuso. Published: March 16, 2018 Updated: March 16, 2018 8:00 AM EDT

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ News Ontario

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TORONTO — If you’re a minimum wage earner, voting for Progressive Conservative Leader Doug Ford is going to cost you, the Ontario Liberals claim.

$1,465, to be precise.

Ontario Labour Minister Kevin Flynn quoted a report by the Ontario office of the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives in his assertion that minimum wage earners making $15-an-hour would see an annual increase in their take-home pay of $1,950.

Labour Minister Kevin Flynn

Senior economist Sheila Block looked at Ford’s statement that he would freeze the minimum wage at $14 an hour, instead of following through with the Liberal plan to increase it to $15 an hour on Jan. 1, and eliminate income tax for those earning $30,000 a year or less.

Block calculates that Ford’s tax cut would provide only $485 in savings for the average minimum wage earner.

(Sheila Block is the same person who also told us that Ontari-owe LIE-beral debt was reasonable and manageable just so long as interest rates did not rise- or other economic shocks did not appear! And of course interest rates are slowly rising, the big economic engine- housing construction has faltered as LIE-berals panic over rising debt loads, and we are looking at potential federal deficits in the $120 billion dollar range if Our idiot Boy Justin succeeds in getting Trump disgusted enough to scrap NAFTA over LIE-beral immigration madness!)

(And of course Our idiot Boy was elected on a promise to run small $10 billion dollar deficits for a couple of years till Cdn economy recovered- and it has NOT recovered- it has gotten WORSE- and those “small deficits have ballooned into vast flows of red ink that are at least double what he promised with no sign he has any clue how to keep us from drowning in that red ink! LIE-beral friendly economists cannot predict with accuracy what may happen in bond markets as Cdn debt grows, and cannot predict how much prices will rise as a result of LIE-beral mandated wage increases nor can they predict how many people may be laid off as a result of customers shunning biz with higher prices! In short- our economist are guessing- based on their political biases and personal preferences!)

“What his plan would mean is less money for essentials, including food and transit, all those everyday expenses,” Flynn said. “What it is plain conservative old-fashioned ideology.”

(Less money for poor people? Really? Economist Block appears to have made predictions based on ideology. What we CAN be certain of- because LIE-berals have told us- is that there WILL be ongoing price increases for many things -if LIE-berals win another Ontari-owe election! We are in an election year so there will be no TTC fare hike- this year- for political reasons! We have been told that LIE-berals intend to put up the price of electricity steadily for some years to come- with the actual rate of increase to be determined IF they win the election or otherwise! The property tax hike for this years is 2.9 percent while LIE-berals claimed to be aiming at “inflation rate” of 2 percent- while ordinary people make due with raises of about 0.5 percent! LIE-beral math does NOT add up! If LIE-berals win the 2018 election then we can be assured they will LOOT AND PILLAGE in 2019 to pay for all those civil service union Hog votes that put them back in power!)

(IN addition Ontari-owe is “partnered with California on the carbon crap and trade tax scam and California has put up its carbon tax from $10.00 to $18.00 and shall we ask if Wynne-bag is simply waiting till after the June election she is still hoping to win- to follow partner California in jacking up that carbon tax- which will put food prices up another 15-20 percent! One reason for LIE-berals to be breaking their promise on giving us a balanced budget in 2018 is because they have offered \Hogs a 2 percent raise for this year- with no new taxes to pay for it- its an election year and new taxes are bad for LIE-beral public image- but how bad is it to be seen borrowing money to give to greedy Hogs How much wage increase will LIE-berals let us keep if they are re-elected? Your honest answer should be NONE!)

The record shows that Ontario PCs tend to freeze minimum wage when they’re in government, he said.

(Oh gosh- frozen minimum wages? How awful- compared to the tens of thousands of jobs LOST in just the first month after the LIE-beral wage increase! A better wage does not help those who got laid off and it certainly will not help those who will not be hired in future because LIE-beral taxes are a job killer- and a govt mandated wage hike is equal to a new tax on biz- and a job killer!)

Ford could not be reached for comment, but in a tweet, he noted Ontario had the lowest increase in median household income in the country between 2005-15.

“Everyday working people are being left behind in Kathleen Wynne’s Ontario, while her friends have grown rich,” he tweeted.

Ford has yet to deliver his election platform but he has been critical of the way the Ontario Liberals introduced the minimum wage.

aartuso at postmedia.

(Bait and switch is a beloved LIE-beral policy! They offer up that dandy wage increase and then start doing the “take aways”! A higher wage means more income tax collected by LIE-berals. It means more cash collected in Unemployment Insurance deductions. Means a higher contribution to Canada Pension Plan. And best of all- for LIE-berals- it fuels inflation as biz passes on the new wage costs to customers as higher prices- which gives LIE-berals what THEY WANT- a better excuse to PAY MORE GRAVY TO CIVIL SERVICE UNION HOGS!)

(Yes- LIE-berals keep telling us they only pay out money according to the “inflation rate” and with our economy drowning in red ink and no inflation visible in the private sector- LIE-berals have chosen to CREATE inflation as an excuse and to confuse voters!)

(We have seen a series of HUGE price increases for electricity- as LIE-berals turn our electrical system into a giant slush fund for their Hog allies. Even worse- LIE-berals have slammed shut the books so we cannot see what manner of dirt is hidden in their Hydro files- its OUR MONEY but its NOT our business to know what LIE-berals do with it!)

(We have endured a series of NINE PERCENT water rate increases- 9 percent in each of 5 years and then a series of FOUR PERCENT increases after that as LIE-berals registered on our growing rage! And we should not ask what happened to the LIE-beral inflation target of TWO PERCENT? LIE-berals tell us the water rate increases are needed to pay for repairs and upgrades to the neglected system- but they do NOT want to admit that the system is neglected because ALL the money was spent on Hog gravy for decades and NONE was spent on maintenance! So now we endure both emergency repairs and major floods plus Hog wage greed!)

(And LIE-berals have “helped” us with auto insurance rates as well -so they say! I ask: did YOU get your 15 percent rate reduction? LIE-berals CLAIM you did- in the form of reduced increases for insurance! But LIE-berals do NOT mention the FIFTY PERCENT REDUCTION in benefits for accident victims that came with your mythical 15 percent reduction in auto rates! LIE-berals do not want to admit that Ontari-owe drivers have lower accident rates than other Cdns yet pay THE HIGHEST RATES! Nor do they want to discuss how many Sunshine List pals own stocks in insurance companies- and Lord knows- Hogs NEED more gravy- hence the LIE-beral insurance rates!)

(LIE-berals- who do NOT like to be contradicted- tell us our rates are high because of FRAUD! But fraud is a crime and LIE-berals are IGNORING IT! Why not launch a blitz on the organized crime gangs that are behind the staged accidents and against the doctors aiding the fraudsters collecting benefits for alleged whiplash and other easily faked soft tissue injuries? Are LIE-berals worried that they will find many of the fraud artists to be immigrants let into Canada by shameless LIE-berals BUYING votes at any price?)

(LIE-berals always tell us we are systemic racists if we complain about immigrant crime rates. But LIE-berals do not want to talk about the Russian arrested at his magnificent King City mansion for the second time because all his wonderful luxuries are paid for with FORGED credit cards! LIE-berals do not wish to discuss the biggest ATM bank machine fraud in Cdn history- pulled off with the technical aid of gangs based in Russia! LIE-berals do not wish to discuss the 4 Afghan brothers arrested on car theft charges- over 1500 charges- with convictions on ALL! Do not want to discuss the Sikhs arrested for bribing and bullying gas station attendants into letting them set up credit card readers in stores to gather information to aid forgers in making more fake cards! Do not want to discuss the Sikhs who set up fake unemployment insurance accounts through their house renovation biz and claimed benefits based on LIES! Crime is an equal opportunity employer and there is NO need to single out any race- but LIE-berals long ago figured out their snake oil political sales policies go better with poor immigrants so LIE-berals seek to distract us with this systemic racist crap!)

(There are other matters of concern related to auto insurance rates and mythical LIE-beral benefits. Such as snow plow contracts for clearing our roads- with LIE-beral penny pinching putting drivers in danger. LIE-berals have “relaxed” snow clearing times-meaning our roads are plowed less frequently as LIE-berals wrestled with companies that offered to do the job cheap- but lacked suitable equipment to perform even at the “relaxed” LIE-beral standard!)

(There are also concerns over road paving contracts with inferior paving material used as a cost saving measure- but hey- its good for LIE-berals as the nice fresh paving will last at least till after the next election- and that is good enough for LIE-berals! Too bad about the damage to our cars steering and suspension as we jolt and rattle over those potholes though- its just another hidden cost LIE-berals do not want to discuss!)

(LIE-berals rob Peter to pay Paul- and Peter is private sector and Paul is a public sector union Hog! That “wonderful” LIE-beral wage increase VANISHES once you get the rest of the policy- increased govt costs for EVERYTHING!)

(And worst of all- LIE-berals keep talking about fairness and the need for new revenue tools but if fairness were really their concern then why would they not immediately impose the health levy on civil service union Hogs in Ontari-owe? As it stands now- no Hog pays that health levy- and one employed Cdn in three works for govt! No wonder there is a hole in the health care books!)

What the hell has this excessively long post got to do with my comment or the thread in general for that matter?

Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

You never thought about how the power to charge electric cars is produced did you? A large part of the world generates its electricity with nuclear or coal. So to advocate for higher electric consumption is to advocate for more nukes or coal.

So in other words you placed your own interpretation of future power sources on my words, ignoring the fact that renewables are now the fastest growing sources of energy. It is, however, the sort of poorly thought out reply I have come to expect from you.

Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

The article you referenced talks a helluva game but comes up short on any factual presentations.

In the end, their fuzzy definition is presented exactly in that manner in order to broaden their preferred definition of the term 'subsidy'

From the first paragraph of the article:

A fossil fuel subsidy is any government action that lowers the cost of fossil fuel energy production, raises the price received by energy producers, or lowers the price paid by energy consumers. Essentially, it’s anything that rigs the game in favor of fossil fuels compared to other energy sources.

I couldn't help but chuckle at the definition, especially as it relates to 'other energy sources'.... All I could think of were the Solyndras of the world (and yep, there are tons)




BS - The entire wind and solar industries in NorAm and Europe do not exist without direct cash subsidies, contract guarantees and gvt supported rates.

You'll have noticed that once Germany eliminated their direct support of the wind energy sector, they shriveled up

And yet, the oil industry still sucks billions out of governments every year. Tell me why does big oil need subsidies?
 
captain morgan
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#64
Quote: Originally Posted by gopher View Post

^ as we discussed previously, I have also objected to subsidies for windwill projects

I am not familiar at all with any program, initiative or individual circumstance wherein an oil co. was provided with a gvt sponsored cash infusion (with no equity or as a loan), a guarantee on profitability or or a contract to purchase the oil/gas at an above market rate.

In the case of the article referenced, these folks delivered a wishy-washy definition of 'subsidy' that is broad enough to include tax deductions, CCA, amortization, etc... These are NOT subsidies

Quote: Originally Posted by gopher View Post

now we need for folks like you to take the same position on such welfarism for oil interests and other elites

Really simple solution.

2 tax rates: 0% for those under a minimum threshold and 'X'% for everyone else... Streamline the entire tax code and make it this simple

Perhaps throw in a consumption tax if you like.

Your problem is solved

Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

And yet, the oil industry still sucks billions out of governments every year. Tell me why does big oil need subsidies?

Whatevs.

Stop wasting my time
 
Bar Sinister
#65
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post




Whatevs.

Stop wasting my time

So you are admitting you can't answer the question.
 
taxslave
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#66  Top Rated Post
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

So you are admitting you can't answer the question.

No we come to the conclusion that you refuse to acknowledge facts.
 
captain morgan
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#67
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

No we come to the conclusion that you refuse to acknowledge facts.

Exactly.

Damn ideologues. eh?
 
Hoid
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#68
Re oil industry subsidies.

The entire industry is based on government getting a piece of the pie.

If you listen to the pro pipeline arguments they are: money.

So you grease the tracks and then you sit back and watch the money pour in.
 
pgs
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#69
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Re oil industry subsidies.

The entire industry is based on government getting a piece of the pie.

If you listen to the pro pipeline arguments they are: money.

So you grease the tracks and then you sit back and watch the money pour in.

Gee willakers which industry in Canada isn’t ? When I worked in lumber reman the government made more on a car or truck load of lumber then we did .
 
spilledthebeer
#70
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Re oil industry subsidies.

The entire industry is based on government getting a piece of the pie.

If you listen to the pro pipeline arguments they are: money.

So you grease the tracks and then you sit back and watch the money pour in.

Oil is a product people WANT to use. Electric cars are a product that people generally DO NOT want to use. Grossly selfish LIE-berals want us to use electric cars for THEIR BENEFIT and they are trying to bully and bribe us into using THEIR PRODUCT!

Grossly selfish LIE-berals want us to massively change AND LIMIT our lifestyle- so they can KEEP their luxuries!

These facts are at the heart of all discussion of tax rates and business incentives!

Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

Oil is a product people WANT to use. Electric cars are a product that people generally DO NOT want to use. Grossly selfish LIE-berals want us to use electric cars for THEIR BENEFIT and they are trying to bully and bribe us into using THEIR PRODUCT!

Grossly selfish LIE-berals want us to massively change AND LIMIT our lifestyle- so they can KEEP their luxuries!

These facts are at the heart of all discussion of tax rates and business incentives!


The LIE-beral electricity slush fund described:


Here is yet another article exposing the muddle headed values of utterly selfish LIE-berals! With some comments of my own in brackets):

Energy minister doesn't see threat to poor in pre-payment hydro meters

By Antonella Artuso. Published: November 23, 2017. Updated: November 24, 2017 8:58 AM EST

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ News/ Ontario

Hydro One customers will be able to opt in or out of a proposed program to “pre-pay” electric bills, Energy Minister Glenn Thibeault insists.

Thibeault also insisted the controversial application by Hydro One – to replace some smart meters with new “pre-paid” meters – won’t target the poor.

(HAHAHAHAHA! Will not target the poor, the imbecile says? Then why bother changing the meters? Unless LIE-berals are really THAT DESPERATE for gravy that they want pre-paid meters so they can collect a few weeks interest on your pre-payments? LIE-berals really need to figure out some long term planning here! Either they ARE going after poor people and those with low credit scores or else their hunt for new gravy is growing so desperate that it gives the lie to their claims of how our economy is “booming”- even as debt soars!)

(In related news- the Cdn economy added over 30,000 jobs- mostly full time in March 2018- too bad that TWO THIRDS of those job were for govt! WE cannot afford the Hogs we have now- how will we pay for MORE? I guess LIE-berals DO need that interest from hydro pre-payments after all?)

“When I talked to Hydro One about this specifically, they said this is about giving people choice,” Thibeault said Thursday.

NDP MPP Peter Tabuns, who raised the issue this week in the Ontario Legislature, suggested the Minister isn’t credible when he says requiring consumers to pre-pay for power won’t focus on the poor.

“I think they’re going to say to people who have a bad credit rating or have arrears, here’s the meter we’re putting in … If you want power, here’s the meter that you’re going to have to have,” Tabuns said.

“I don’t believe there’s going to be any real choice. This is all about protecting Hydro One, this is all about making sure their investors make the most money possible,” he said.

(We do know that hydro shut offs are climbing rapidly as our booming economy “booms” all over ordinary people! Maybe somebody should explain to LIE-berals what “booming” means? And yes- Hydro Hogs ARE DEMANDING their gravy- and its none of our business how much they get- LIE-berals told us so!)

“Families in the winter, not a concern on their part.”

Tabuns wants the Liberals to kill the proposal.

NDP energy critic, Peter Tabuns. Craig Robertson, Craig Robertson/Toronto Sun

And in fact, on page 2,038 of a 2,076-page application, under the title of “Collection Enhancements,” Hydro One specifically cites the rising number of customers in default as justification for pre-paid meters.

“The cost of electricity in Ontario has been steadily increasing,” Hydro One points out. “This has resulted in a number of customers having difficulty in paying their bills on time.”

The current arrears collection system involves a series of escalating steps, from a reminder phone call to location visits, Hydro One says in the submission to the Ontario Energy Board.

(It seems likely that the pre-paid meter plan may end up being a public relations disaster for LIE-berals- consider the old folks on fixed income struggling with soaring LIE-beral taxes- and one cold night they CANNOT feed the pre-paid meter in time and their electricity shuts down and their pipes freeze! WE all know how slowly civil service Hogs respond to any issue they do not consider to be important to them! I have a neighbour who filled out a 2 page property tax form and it took govt 3 weeks to LOSE half the paperwork- and blame the tax payer!)

(Or the woman who owned a van and had a lien put on it by a Hog fiddling with the computer system! She needed the cash from the van sale for her bills and it was obvious the lien on the van was a FAKE- since it was registered to Pebbles Flintstone in Bedrock Town! Hogs shrugged at the woman`s complaints and suggested she hire a lawyer to sort things out! Just NO CONCERN from Hogs at the costly mess THEY MADE for that woman! Now picture your power going out and your pipes starting to freeze while you argue with some Hog about where your payment was mis-directed!)

“One method of enabling customer control of their electricity consumption, while in arrears condition, and minimizing Hydro One Network’s financial risk, is through the use of pre-paid meters,” the application states.

(Well of course- but another way of limiting arrears is not to tax people so heavily- as LIE-berals do- that they cannot survive! Stupid LIE-berals take all our money and then sneer at us for being poor!)

“Once the pre-paid amount is used up, power is cut-off until the customer is able to load the meter with more credits.”

(Power off! While the pipes FREEZE! At least under the current situation Hogs will not shut off power till spring comes and danger of ruptured pipes is past!)

The application does not specify that it will be voluntary for customers.

(Who WOULD VOLUNTEER for this? There would be no room for error here! Think about being shut off in dead of winter because you forgot to sign your cheque properly or slipped a decimal place? Or think about getting sick and ending up in hospital just before a payment comes due? Or a simple clerical error- such as clerk reversing numbers- $19.00 instead of $91.00- and your power is now off over Christmas holidays- with govt offices CLOSED!)

Thibeault, meanwhile, denied the proposal buried deep in the application was a ‘Trojan Horse’ intended to cut off delinquent customers. And he suggested it’s just a proposal.

“It’s two paragraphs in a rate application that may not even get through the Ontario Energy Board.”

(IN other words it’s a trial balloon that LIE-berals are thinking of- just like their previous trial balloons that involved forcing us to throw away ALL our natural gas appliances and compel us to heat and cook exclusively with electricity- now that LIE-berals have turned our electrical system into a giant slush fund for their pals- AND slammed shut the books so we cannot see what dirt is buried there!)

Thibeault reiterated Hydro One has assured him that the program would be voluntary.

When asked who would voluntarily pay ahead of time for electricity, Thibeault used the example of the owner of a rural hunt camp who might only want to purchase two months of electricity in the year.

(In other words- the minister is dissembling! Owners of rural properties routinely get their power shut off in winter months when the place is not in use- so why re-invent the wheel with pre-paid meters- unless THERE IS a deliberate LIE-beral plan to target the poor?)

There are already programs in place to prevent electricity disconnections in winter and to help people manage their hydro accounts, he said.

“But at the end of the day we are still a long way away from this even being approved,” Thibeault said. “This is just a thought. It’s two paragraphs on a 2,000-page document.”

The OEB is tasked with protecting consumer interests when energy companies, like Hydro One, seek rate increases or changes like a pre-payment meter.

(Oh great- LIE-beral appointees will protect us from LIE-berals? The ONLY THING preventing LIE-berals from moving ahead with this pre-paid meter crap and with their plan to force us off natural gas is fear of voter rage in the June 2018 election!)

The Ontario Liberal government sold off a majority stake in Hydro One, which was previously 100% owned by citizens of the province, but has retained control by remaining the largest single stakeholder.

aartuso at postmedia.
 
Twin_Moose
#71
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

So you are admitting you can't answer the question.

The only money that is paid out to O & G I know of is experimental drilling or pipeline procedures requested by Gov.

2 examples

1: experimental SAGG D drilling and recovery program to reduce water consumption and inject carbon by Athabasca Alta.

2:Stripping and reclamation of Pipeline right of way in light sand near Wainwright Alta. where they tried stripping the different levels of soil grades (some levels were only 3/4" deep) in order to put it back as exact as possible to original thinking that erosion could be easier controlled.
 
Hoid
#72
$3.3 billion in government subsidies to the oil and gas industry in 2016.

https://www.iisd.org/faq/unpacking-c...uel-subsidies/
 
captain morgan
+1
#73
https://www.iisd.org/faq/unpacking-c...uel-subsidies/

From the International Institute of Sustainable Development.

Thanks for coming out champ.... Lemme see if Vanna has a consolation prize for ya
 
captain morgan
#74
Heard that Tesla will be going back for yet another bailout.

I think that makes 15 now

Last edited by captain morgan; Apr 9th, 2018 at 04:53 PM..
 
gopher
#75
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid;

Re oil industry subsidies.

The entire industry is based on government getting a piece of the pie.

If you listen to the pro pipeline arguments they are: money.

So you grease the tracks and then you sit back and watch the money pour in.




funny, though, how so many of those people are politically CONselfservative while claiming to be self reliant - but they sure love their corporate welfare
 
petros
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#76
Quote: Originally Posted by gopher View Post

fossil fuel subsidies include direct handouts:

Fossil Fuel Subsidies: Overview - Oil Change InternationalOil Change International


billions more in other forms


Solyndra was just that once - the oil industry gets their handouts every year

Tax credits are not subsidies...unless you use "alternative English".

Compare definitions in a legal dictionary. The only people who intermingle the two are those with a bias.
 
spilledthebeer
#77
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Tax credits are not subsidies...unless you use "alternative English".

Compare definitions in a legal dictionary. The only people who intermingle the two are those with a bias.

Yes- poor LIE-berals- they want democracy and free markets to control and limit what we charge them and they want socialism and monopoly control of essential services to govern what they charge us! They want special deals for industries that support them- such as "Hollywood North" and they tax the crap out of ordinary people to pay for the gravy they need to buy their friends support!

LIE-beral hypocrisy is the order of thec day and they have not noticed that ALL their problems with public relations and failing public support are based on those grossly biased deals that LIE-berals LOVE so much!

LIE-berals delight in telling us we are all equal and they talk endlessly about fairness to all- and then run into the nearest back room and set up their dirty deals for friends and allies!

Here is an illustration of the mind set of those staunch LIE-beral allies- the members of the civil service- and those gravy train riding jerks tell any people who think they are grossly overpaid that the `whiners` should shut up and become government workers like them and then they can be fat and lazy and wealthy (and ignorant) just like all the other gravy train riders!
Actually you CANNOT simply become a gravy train rider on a whim! Ontario Colleges (for example) have been training about 15000 aspiring teachers in each of the past few years……but only about 5000 graduates are hired each year-according to an article published a couple of years back in the Lie-beral loving Toronto Red Star newspaper. Reality is there is simply not enough room on the gravy train for everybody!
Further, we are part of the global economy and our standard of living is dropping-even gravy train riders are feeling the pinch- but they ARE still living VERY nicely on BORROWED MONEY- that WE must pay back! If government had a gun put to its head and was FORCED to balance the books within 6 months and STOP borrowing money, our economy would instantly face unemployment levels that would make the Great Depression look like a modest economic inconvenience! This is why math challenged civil service Hogs are facing so much anger and so little support, regardless of whether they are teachers or nurses or cops or bureaucrats-their position just does Not add up!
Our cops are mostly pretty good people who have sadly shamed themselves by siding with Toronto garbage men who expect jobs for life. They also sided with teachers who don’t care if Johnny cannot read and are prepared to fight it out with any parent who doesn’t like their indifference to ignorant kids. Sided with water department workers who know that much of the city drinking water supply passes through sections of old toxic lead pipe and don’t do anything about it because it would interfere with the flow of gravy to their pockets. Sided with idiot Lie-berals who don’t understand how electricity is produced and have made vastly expensive changes to the electricity supply without regard to reason and logic. Even worse, LIE-berals have turned our electrical system into a giant slush fund for the purpose of BUYING Hog votes- regardless of our bankrupt status. The gravy train needs to be derailed as soon as possible before it damages the country any further! In spite of what gravy train riding hogs believe, we are NOT immune to Greek style economic messes!
As for nurses….I actually have some sympathy for them as the level of knowledge required to do their job has increased quite steadily and of course nurses must PRODUCE- it`s no good shrugging over those last three patients who have not yet had a meal or not yet gotten their medication- they cannot be given a double dose tomorrow so nurses step along diligently in their jobs and are the exception to the civil service rule!
In fact nurses are under the gun to a remarkable degree! A typical Hog who reaches the end of a shift simply shelves unfinished work for tomorrow or next moth etc- but the nurse nearing the end of shift cannot simply shrug over neglected patients and reassure then they will get a double dose of medication tomorrow! Nurses MUST step lively!
 
captain morgan
#78
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Tax credits are not subsidies...unless you use "alternative English".

Compare definitions in a legal dictionary. The only people who intermingle the two are those with a bias.

From gopher's perspective, seeing how he can write-off the financing charges on his personal home, I guess that the taxpayer is subsidizing his assets.

.... betcha that he won't see it that way though
 
spilledthebeer
#79
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

From gopher's perspective, seeing how he can write-off the financing charges on his personal home, I guess that the taxpayer is subsidizing his assets.

.... betcha that he won't see it that way though

LIE-berals and their Hog allies have very selective vision! They see their gravy very clearly but do not see your
debts at all!

ALL Lie-beral policy is designed to make them lok entitled and to ensure that YOU must pay!

Not since the middle ages and the "divine right of kings" has there been such a grossly selfish version of govt!

No other society has ever explored such depths of debt and fiscal insanity- and to think it is all mandated merely by desperate LIE-berals frantically clinging to power at any price!

What a truly remarkable legacy LIE-berals are leaving us!

A hundred years from now kids will study our current LIE-beral fiscal mess in the same way that Lindsey Shepherd and her "communications class at Wilfred Laurier University study Leni Reifenstahl and her Nazi propaganda film "Triumph of the Will" for lessons in how to bamboozle a bankrupt and desperate public
 
pgs
#80
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

From gopher's perspective, seeing how he can write-off the financing charges on his personal home, I guess that the taxpayer is subsidizing his assets.

.... betcha that he won't see it that way though

Nice gotha there .
 
captain morgan
+1
#81
If one wishes to define all tax write-offs as 'subsidies' then we simply include everything.

... Kinda silly really, but sometimes that's the way you have to go
 
gopher
+2
#82
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Tax credits are not subsidies...unless you use "alternative English".

Compare definitions in a legal dictionary. The only people who intermingle the two are those with a bias.


I fully realize it is not fashionable or politically correct to those with mindless CONservative minds. But we have gone over this more than enough times and all you have to do is to read my links such as:


$1 TRILLION in Global Fossil Fuel Subsidies & the Urgent Need for Transparency - Oil Change InternationalOil Change International

Fossil Fuel Subsidies: Overview - Oil Change InternationalOil Change International

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_subsidies






'The federal government provides financial support for the development, production, and use of fuels and energy technologies both through tax preferences and through spending programs administered by the Department of Energy (DOE)''

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/50980


Google spending programs if you want more truthful data rather than the right wing propaganda bullshït that you believe in.

Mind you that this last source is from the government itself.
 
captain morgan
#83
You are referencing a publication from a lobby group gopher.

regardless, does your ability to write-off the financing charges on your home count as a subsidy?

it's a fair question
 
gopher
#84
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

You are referencing a publication from a lobby group gopher.

regardless, does your ability to write-off the financing charges on your home count as a subsidy?

it's a fair question


I do not own a house and am a renter.

The link is from the CBO, not a lobby group. If you can prove to me that a government report is incorrect, then I shall gladly believe you.
 
Bar Sinister
+1
#85
Quote: Originally Posted by gopher View Post

I fully realize it is not fashionable or politically correct to those with mindless CONservative minds. But we have gone over this more than enough times and all you have to do is to read my links such as:


$1 TRILLION in Global Fossil Fuel Subsidies & the Urgent Need for Transparency - Oil Change InternationalOil Change International

Fossil Fuel Subsidies: Overview - Oil Change InternationalOil Change International

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_subsidies






'The federal government provides financial support for the development, production, and use of fuels and energy technologies both through tax preferences and through spending programs administered by the Department of Energy (DOE)''

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/50980


Google spending programs if you want more truthful data rather than the right wing propaganda bullshït that you believe in.

Mind you that this last source is from the government itself.

Wasting your time, Gopher. No matter what iron-clad evidence you submit technophobes like CM will always deny them.
 
captain morgan
#86
Quote: Originally Posted by gopher View Post

I do not own a house and am a renter.

The link is from the CBO, not a lobby group. If you can prove to me that a government report is incorrect, then I shall gladly believe you.


First paragraph of the doc

"In fiscal year 2015, the federal government supported the development, production, and use of fuels and energy technologies through tax preferences totaling $15.8 billion and spending by the Department of Energy totaling $5.4 billion"

Tax preferences aren't subsidies and assuming the the Dept of Energy spending $$ (5.4 billion) as direct subsidies is not necessarily accurate.

Your comment about being a renter is moot, as you also have direct experience with the IRS (from what I recall).

That said, you would be able to answer, quite directly, if the ability to write-off the financing charges on a personal home are indeed, subsidies.

... You're avoiding the question is what is happening
 
spilledthebeer
#87
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

Wasting your time, Gopher. No matter what iron-clad evidence you submit technophobes like CM will always deny them.

Here is a nice little reminder that LIE-berals care NOTHING for logic- for them everything revolves around buying votes and clinging to power at any price! And jamming electric cars down our throats is major LIE-beral policy- and cost be damned!

Here is another article illustrating yet another LIE-beral failure as they desperately try to promote their electric car mess- the total screw up that is an extension of their costly mouldy green energy fiasco! With some comments of my own in brackets):

(Ontari-owe LIE-berals have been working very hard to turn our electrical system into a giant slush fund for their pals. First- they offered up huge incentives for builders of wind and solar power generators- that ERASED the property rights of people living near the noisy eye sores! Then LIE-berals sold off a chunk of our electrical system to private investors- meaning select LIE-beral pals- and then drove up electrical costs further to obtain the gravy their investor pals demanded! And now LIE-berals are messing with electric car business- apparently in hope of collecting huge windfall profits by using our tax money to force us out of gas cars and into electric cars that are dependent on the LIE-beral electrical grid- meaning even more profit for LIE-beral electric slush fund!)

(LIE-berals recently set up a contract to get private companies to install and maintain electric car charging stations around Ontari-owe and the results are the usual LIE-beral failure! A new Mississauga based company KSI was chosen to instal and maintain 337 chargers- and in the specified contract period- only slightly over half of them were installed and many of them are said to malfunction regularly- in the same fashion as those failing Presto TTC card readers!)

Among the top EV charging network firms that bid on the contract apart from KSI were Quebec-based Arza Network Canada Inc. which submitted a $14.6-million bid, Toronto’s Plug’n Drive at $16 million and Vaughan’s Autochargers.ca at $20 million. KSI submitted the cheapest proposal at $10.8 million and received final approval for $11.4 million because three other approved funding recipients withdrew from the program and the ministry decided to reallocate that money.

(Three approved bidders dropped out when LIE-berals started fiddling with the subsidies? AS I have said- take away govt subsidies and electric car and mouldy green energy deals DIE! Its only LIE-beral greed keeping this “industry” alive!)

Gleb Nikiforov, the CEO of Autochargers.ca, said he submitted a 2,200-page proposal — 400 pages contained referrals from well-known companies in the electric vehicle industry, including ChargePoint equipment — to install chargers at 100 locations predominantly in the corridors between major cities.

(A 2200 page proposal? Did the ministry not write its own specifications? Or did Nikiforov IGNORE govt specs and write his own? And what makes him think civil service union Hogs are capable of properly assessing his massive document in the available time anyway? Is this an example of B.S. trying to baffle dumb Hogs?)

Nikiforov said the Ministry of Transportation stopped communicating with him two weeks prior to announcing the winning bids — though he says his biggest beef isn’t with ministry officials, but with the unreliability of the company that won.

(Perhaps they stopped talking to him because he wrote his own specs instead of bidding on what govt asked for? LIE-berals are not fit to set up a new industry anyway so how can they deal with the 2200 page Nikiforov business “vision”?)

“We were extremely disappointed. The province could have had the best equipment, which are backed up by the best companies in the market,” said Nikiforov. “We had a very solid proposal. They ceased all communication with us and we weren’t even awarded a single location.

“A lot of municipalities went through the request-for-proposal process after they were awarded the initial funds, so that was weird. How they calculated the money allotted based on that, I don’t know.”

(For LIE-berals everything is about rewarding friends and punishing enemies- a cynic must assume that KSI is a LIE-beral pal! After all- one would have to suspect a low bid- that is nearly ONE THIRD BELOW the next bidder- offered by an inexperienced company- versus a higher bid from a company with lots of experience? Unless you were a LIE-beral seeking to BUY pals?)

Nikiforov speculates the government blindly went with the cheapest bidder, and the cheapest bidder made what may turn out to be a fatal error.

“I think (KSI) went full throttle on it and promised too much and the ministry believed them and they didn’t fulfill their promise,” he said. “Their approach of creating their own software – a small company like that, with that little money, it’s impossible. ChargePoint is the largest company in the industry. They spent $100 million on software to make it work. There’s a Blink network in the U.S. that used the same approach as KSI and they got bankrupted.”

Vic Burconak President of KSI #Mississauga speaking @OntMinTransport event – watch live now https://t.co/YtPSfmkRaT pic.twitter.com/Vi7tHc8jmC
— VVC Productions (@VVCAudioVisual) April 28, 2016

KSI is the brainchild of Vic Burconak, listed on his LinkedIn profile as president and CEO of the company and who describes himself as a “senior business executive with over 25 years of sales and operational experience launching, building and managing businesses.”

“A visionary sales executive with a passion for the ‘hunt’ and proven track record for over achieving goals by implementing strategies that endear clients, drive revenue and secure new accounts,” the profile said. “Outstanding ability to ‘close.’”

(IN other words they guy is a salesman with a glib manner and no real experience with electric cars or their charging systems- nor with the software that runs them and which also allows for automated billing through credit cards!)

The Manitoba native lists himself as a past managing partner of Koben Homes, where he said he flipped homes and condos and then worked for iBuild management software for residential builders and renovators. He also worked as an actor on a Canadian TV series called, Masterminds.

(OH! He is an actor- that will be useful in dealing with LIE-berals! And flipping homes will give so much training for developing costly software! With LIE-berals- everything is about politics and optics- business details are not IMPORTANT!)

According to an Ontario provincial corporation profile report, KSI was incorporated on Oct. 7, 2010, and headquartered at his home on Crestdale Rd. in Mississauga. Burconak registered a new address in a commercial plaza on Dunwin Dr. three years later, according to Industry Canada documents, who list the green energy company with 50 or few shareholders.

Burconak’s estranged sister, Kristyn Kelly, alleges her brother used an inheritance after their parents died in 2012 and 2013 to fund his company. The Sun was shown e-mails regarding the parents’ estate division sent to Kelly using Burconak’s KSI company e-mail.

“He started this business and he doesn’t have any knowledge of electric vehicle charging systems,” she said.

Kelly, 52, said their relationship growing up in Winnipeg was strained. She characterized him as “narcissistic.” She added he doesn’t own an electric car and instead opts to drive “a giant gas-guzzling Dodge Ram pickup.”

(OH! There is a gassed up little detail LIE-berals will NOT want discussed! Their star electric car promoter WILL NOT DRIVE ONE! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

“I think he created KSI solely to make money. He won’t be a success at it,” she said. “He has no experience building these networks … He’s not competent to do this kind of work. He has the initiative to make money, but not to satisfy customers.”

(Oh lets take a cynical guess that even though KSI may never complete its charging installations properly- we may guess that Burconak WILL make money from our ever wasteful Hogs!)
 
captain morgan
#88
The proponents of EVs and related self sufficiency through renewable electricity are deliberately quiet about the intensity of the path needed to achieve their goals.

Eventually this will happen, however the manner in which they promote a form of willful ignorance will come back to bite them in the backside eventually
 
Bar Sinister
#89
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

Here is a nice little reminder that LIE-berals care NOTHING for logic- for them everything revolves around buying votes and clinging to power at any price! And jamming electric cars down our throats is major LIE-beral policy- and cost be damned!

Here is another article illustrating yet another LIE-beral failure as they desperately try to promote their electric car mess- the total screw up that is an extension of their costly mouldy green energy fiasco! With some comments of my own in brackets):

(Ontari-owe LIE-berals have been working very hard to turn our electrical system into a giant slush fund for their pals. First- they offered up huge incentives for builders of wind and solar power generators- that ERASED the property rights of people living near the noisy eye sores! Then LIE-berals sold off a chunk of our electrical system to private investors- meaning select LIE-beral pals- and then drove up electrical costs further to obtain the gravy their investor pals demanded! And now LIE-berals are messing with electric car business- apparently in hope of collecting huge windfall profits by using our tax money to force us out of gas cars and into electric cars that are dependent on the LIE-beral electrical grid- meaning even more profit for LIE-beral electric slush fund!)

(LIE-berals recently set up a contract to get private companies to install and maintain electric car charging stations around Ontari-owe and the results are the usual LIE-beral failure! A new Mississauga based company KSI was chosen to instal and maintain 337 chargers- and in the specified contract period- only slightly over half of them were installed and many of them are said to malfunction regularly- in the same fashion as those failing Presto TTC card readers!)

Among the top EV charging network firms that bid on the contract apart from KSI were Quebec-based Arza Network Canada Inc. which submitted a $14.6-million bid, Toronto’s Plug’n Drive at $16 million and Vaughan’s Autochargers.ca at $20 million. KSI submitted the cheapest proposal at $10.8 million and received final approval for $11.4 million because three other approved funding recipients withdrew from the program and the ministry decided to reallocate that money.

(Three approved bidders dropped out when LIE-berals started fiddling with the subsidies? AS I have said- take away govt subsidies and electric car and mouldy green energy deals DIE! Its only LIE-beral greed keeping this “industry” alive!)

Gleb Nikiforov, the CEO of Autochargers.ca, said he submitted a 2,200-page proposal — 400 pages contained referrals from well-known companies in the electric vehicle industry, including ChargePoint equipment — to install chargers at 100 locations predominantly in the corridors between major cities.

(A 2200 page proposal? Did the ministry not write its own specifications? Or did Nikiforov IGNORE govt specs and write his own? And what makes him think civil service union Hogs are capable of properly assessing his massive document in the available time anyway? Is this an example of B.S. trying to baffle dumb Hogs?)

Nikiforov said the Ministry of Transportation stopped communicating with him two weeks prior to announcing the winning bids — though he says his biggest beef isn’t with ministry officials, but with the unreliability of the company that won.

(Perhaps they stopped talking to him because he wrote his own specs instead of bidding on what govt asked for? LIE-berals are not fit to set up a new industry anyway so how can they deal with the 2200 page Nikiforov business “vision”?)

“We were extremely disappointed. The province could have had the best equipment, which are backed up by the best companies in the market,” said Nikiforov. “We had a very solid proposal. They ceased all communication with us and we weren’t even awarded a single location.

“A lot of municipalities went through the request-for-proposal process after they were awarded the initial funds, so that was weird. How they calculated the money allotted based on that, I don’t know.”

(For LIE-berals everything is about rewarding friends and punishing enemies- a cynic must assume that KSI is a LIE-beral pal! After all- one would have to suspect a low bid- that is nearly ONE THIRD BELOW the next bidder- offered by an inexperienced company- versus a higher bid from a company with lots of experience? Unless you were a LIE-beral seeking to BUY pals?)

Nikiforov speculates the government blindly went with the cheapest bidder, and the cheapest bidder made what may turn out to be a fatal error.

“I think (KSI) went full throttle on it and promised too much and the ministry believed them and they didn’t fulfill their promise,” he said. “Their approach of creating their own software – a small company like that, with that little money, it’s impossible. ChargePoint is the largest company in the industry. They spent $100 million on software to make it work. There’s a Blink network in the U.S. that used the same approach as KSI and they got bankrupted.”

Vic Burconak President of KSI #Mississauga speaking @OntMinTransport event – watch live now https://t.co/YtPSfmkRaT pic.twitter.com/Vi7tHc8jmC
— VVC Productions (@VVCAudioVisual) April 28, 2016

KSI is the brainchild of Vic Burconak, listed on his LinkedIn profile as president and CEO of the company and who describes himself as a “senior business executive with over 25 years of sales and operational experience launching, building and managing businesses.”

“A visionary sales executive with a passion for the ‘hunt’ and proven track record for over achieving goals by implementing strategies that endear clients, drive revenue and secure new accounts,” the profile said. “Outstanding ability to ‘close.’”

(IN other words they guy is a salesman with a glib manner and no real experience with electric cars or their charging systems- nor with the software that runs them and which also allows for automated billing through credit cards!)

The Manitoba native lists himself as a past managing partner of Koben Homes, where he said he flipped homes and condos and then worked for iBuild management software for residential builders and renovators. He also worked as an actor on a Canadian TV series called, Masterminds.

(OH! He is an actor- that will be useful in dealing with LIE-berals! And flipping homes will give so much training for developing costly software! With LIE-berals- everything is about politics and optics- business details are not IMPORTANT!)

According to an Ontario provincial corporation profile report, KSI was incorporated on Oct. 7, 2010, and headquartered at his home on Crestdale Rd. in Mississauga. Burconak registered a new address in a commercial plaza on Dunwin Dr. three years later, according to Industry Canada documents, who list the green energy company with 50 or few shareholders.

Burconak’s estranged sister, Kristyn Kelly, alleges her brother used an inheritance after their parents died in 2012 and 2013 to fund his company. The Sun was shown e-mails regarding the parents’ estate division sent to Kelly using Burconak’s KSI company e-mail.

“He started this business and he doesn’t have any knowledge of electric vehicle charging systems,” she said.

Kelly, 52, said their relationship growing up in Winnipeg was strained. She characterized him as “narcissistic.” She added he doesn’t own an electric car and instead opts to drive “a giant gas-guzzling Dodge Ram pickup.”

(OH! There is a gassed up little detail LIE-berals will NOT want discussed! Their star electric car promoter WILL NOT DRIVE ONE! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

“I think he created KSI solely to make money. He won’t be a success at it,” she said. “He has no experience building these networks … He’s not competent to do this kind of work. He has the initiative to make money, but not to satisfy customers.”

(Oh lets take a cynical guess that even though KSI may never complete its charging installations properly- we may guess that Burconak WILL make money from our ever wasteful Hogs!)

What has this boring nonsense got to do with anything? BWT you wouldn't be a technophobe by any chance would ypu?
 
spilledthebeer
#90
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

What has this boring nonsense got to do with anything? BWT you wouldn't be a technophobe by any chance would ypu?

Technophobe? HAHAHAHAHA!!! Legitimate fear of being bankrupted by LIE-beral knuckleheads has nothing to do with technology!

Here is an old post I wrote in early 2017 and the points made are valid and are now proven!

I think we should call Toronto public transit the “Bitter Way” due to the quality of service it now delivers! TTC now seems incapable of getting through a single week without having a major failure someplace in the system- especially during cold weather.....thus creating the “bitter” experience for long suffering riders who DON' T have any alternative than to ride the DUD red rocket!

To be fair-John Tory inherited this TTC mess along with the Metro Toronto Housing miss-management team and these messes have been built on years of greed by civil service Hogs and the politicians they have chosen for their willingness to fuel the socialist silly hall gravy train INSTEAD of making sure that CRITICAL infrastructure was maintained and updated where necessary! However, Sorry Tory is proving he is entirely willing to sit on his duff and fiddle like Nero as Toronto Transit crumbles.

So it’s going to be a LONG 4 years for Jackass JOHN, the Sorry Tory…..though there will be LOTS of photo ops for him….but I don’t think he will enjoy them!!! He will have lots of chances to explain those brick walls that are now falling off Metro Toronto Housing Authority buildings while MTHA chiefs pocket obscene bonuses; plenty of time to explain in detail how at least 400 MILLION dollars (and STILL counting!) disappeared up the Spadina subway; he can run around like a little Dutch boy plugging his fingers into the crumbling pipes that supply our water and flush away our waste; he can cry endless crocodile tears as aged and impoverished residents are evicted from MTHA housing that will be condemned for rot and rats and drug deals gone bad ; and he can even tell thousands of commuters that they will not be able to use the Gardner Expressway any more, once enough concrete crumbles off it to scare city officials into closing it! Too bad Jackass John won’t ever get around to FIXING any of the problems as he is much more concerned with handing out rich gravy to the Working Family clowns who put him in power….for just THAT reason!

But the capper to his crapper career will be explaining (probably in his `memoirs`) why he was not able to build any transit…..no subway, no LRT and not even his short cut smart track crap….Metrolinx gravy train riders will study it to death….at the usual HUGE expense…..and DO NOTHING USEFUL!!!!! GET USED TO IT!!!! This is the face of BANKRUPTCY!!!! All talk of great dreams and no money to do ANYTHING......and its ALL the fault of some other level of government.....which just happens to be wrestling with its own array of troubles!

Jackass John, the Sorry Tory seems not to understand that he has the chance to make a CHOICE here. He can either hand out rich gravy and bonuses to Working Family slobs (as he is expected to) and make them happy for this year and they will then come back next year like drug addicts for another gravy `fix` and if he chooses this road he will then go down in the record books as the WORST Toronto mayor ever.....OR.... he can grow a spine and take a stand and cut the gravy and spend the money thus saved to repair things and then go into the history books as a strong and independent and responsible mayor that served the true MAJORITY of Toronto residents and if he follows this road and defies the Hogs, he may get SEVERAL MORE terms in office and will be remembered fondly and proudly after he is ready to retire.

Somebody needs to tell Jackass John that he better pick his fights quickly....oh, I know he has a 4 year term....but we all know that the 4th year is spent by city council in a dog fight to secure a chance at re-election and nothing meaningful will be done in that last year except make worthless promises. Jackass John only has 3 useful years and he has already wasted HALF of the first one!


It’s been a week since Jackass John the Sorry Tory exposed his failings as a mayor YET AGAIN! In the same week we were told that Metro Toronto Housing Authority handed out its usual obscene salaries along with a pile of outrageous `performance` bonuses-the `performance` apparently being based on nothing more than an ability to spout nonsense through a mouth stuffed full of RICH GRAVY while counting up an insane list of entitlements that we cannot hope to pay for. We also had Jackass John-the Sorry Tory whining to the media that MTHA tenants would be homeless in 7 years as their buildings will be CONDEMNED and shuttered due to the ruined and neglected condition of the buildings. Jackass believes this is the fault of the province and the federal government.....nothing to do with that HUGE, BLOATED, OVERFED GRAVY TRAIN running through Socialist Silly Hall! What a Maroon that Sorry Tory is!

Based on number of inhabitants, people of Toronto ALREADY get TEN TIMES MORE money from Queens Park than any other municipality!! And yet Jackass EVEN WANTS MORE!!!!

Jackass apparently does not read newspapers and is unaware that Ontari-owe is bankrupt thanks to the idiot spending of Lie-berals led by McWynnty-the shameless Ontari-owhore who has sold herself, her party and our future to Working Family Coalition!

Previous mayor Rob Ford at least had the guts to shame MTHA into selling off a few of the hundreds of single family dwellings they own-the majority of these dwellings sit empty and derelict and uninhabitable due to the range of repairs needed to bring them up to a livable standard...repairs that MTHA cannot afford to do.....and so the properties sit....rotting AND COSTING MONEY that MTHA DOES NOT HAVE! The shuttered properties must be guarded and secured against vandalism, lawns mowed, snow on sidewalks shovelled and the work must be done by costly Gravy Train Riders.

If the city would follow Fords lead in this- those uninhabitable but still valuable properties (as land downtown is hugely expensive) would be sold and the money be used to make a dent in the number of repairs needed at multi-family MTHA buildings that are still inhabitable (BARELY!) to PREVENT them from being condemned in the near future! And the properties that were sold would become income generators for the city-there would be jobs produced as the properties were renovated and then taxes paid on the refurbished buildings and somebody else (rather than costly Gravy Train Hogs) would shovel the snow and mow the grass and secure the buildings.....but all this is too easy for Jackass John....he wants the easy way, the INSANE way! Not content with leading a bankrupt city, Jackass John wants to bankrupt us ALL by getting other levels of government involved in Hogtown madness !!!
 

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