In a world where Donald Trump can run for president, Britain has a moral duty to lead


Blackleaf
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"I will build a great, great wall on our southern border. And I will have Mexico pay for that wall." As we enter the closing stages of the American election, all the hysteria, hyperbole, threats, allegations and FBI investigations in the world still don’t cover the fact the one of the most shocking statements from either nominee was right at the start of the campaign.

Donald J Trump – representing the party of Lincoln, Reagan and Eisenhower – really did state that the world’s only remaining superpower was so narrow, so insular, so frightened that it would partition itself off from a world it claims to lead, and bully a poorer nation into picking up the bill. The international reaction was swift and united. Revulsion, followed by a disorientated incredulity that a country which was once so confident and so self-assured could suddenly seem so, well, small...

In a world where Donald Trump can run for president, Britain has a moral duty to lead


Ruth Davidson, leader of the Scottish Conservative Party
31 October 2016
The Telegraph



"I will build a great, great wall on our southern border. And I will have Mexico pay for that wall." As we enter the closing stages of the American election, all the hysteria, hyperbole, threats, allegations and FBI investigations in the world still don’t cover the fact the one of the most shocking statements from either nominee was right at the start of the campaign.

Donald J Trump – representing the party of Lincoln, Reagan and Eisenhower – really did state that the world’s only remaining superpower was so narrow, so insular, so frightened that it would partition itself off from a world it claims to lead, and bully a poorer nation into picking up the bill. The international reaction was swift and united. Revulsion, followed by a disorientated incredulity that a country which was once so confident and so self-assured could suddenly seem so, well, small.

With Hillary Clinton’s recent lead in the polls now creaking, that disorientation is returning. And, just as many people across the globe look at the US with incomprehension, so we must allow that many UK-watchers are still scratching their heads at a Britain they feel they don’t know any more.

Irrespective of which side of the Brexit debate you were on, there is an acceptance that the majority of our allies around the world believed that the UK would – albeit grudgingly – choose to remain in the EU. That we chose not to means that people outside the UK have had their perceptions of us challenged. They are looking for answers about our relationship with their own countries and our global responsibilities.

A world where Russia can march troops into Ukraine, where far-Right parties gain unprecedented support in France, Greece, Austria and even Sweden, where Syria burns and jihadists attack Western cities, is a world where global leadership has never been needed more.


Trump wants America to retreat from the world

We cannot afford for the US and UK to be seen to shrink from the world. That doesn’t mean a return to the sort of muscular interventionism so characterised by the second Gulf War, but it does mean demonstrating a real sense of internationalism writ large.

Walls with Mexico notwithstanding, the US election has given us almost zero sense of either candidate’s foreign policy priorities. Similarly, denied a full leadership campaign to layout her world view, Theresa May is cracking ahead with the nuts and bolts of Brexit, but many are having to second-guess her new Government’s strategic global aims.

The early signs are encouraging. A Prime Ministerial trade mission to India and Secretary of State for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy Greg Clark’s confirmation at the weekend that the UK is seeking tariff-free trade both show the importance of commerce to the UK’s global ambition. But the pace of announcements and priorities needs to hasten to impress upon the world that we are as outward-looking and engaged today as we have ever been.

For my part, I want to see the UK Government outlining new – and re-emphasising current – global goals. Taking a lead in pushing policy priorities and looking for international support for projects that will benefit the world long-term. I also want to see us banging the drum a bit more for all we do in the world.

While modesty may be a hugely appealing national characteristic, there are times when the only people who will tell our story are us. Living in Scotland, where a nationalist government criticises and condemns the UK every single day, I want to see us talk ourselves up for the force for good that we are.

Take just two examples.

Right now, the UK runs the largest female education fund anywhere in the world, the Girls’ Education Challenge (GEC). It helps more than a million marginalised girls in 18 countries to enrol in school, stay in education and learn. While the GEC is aimed at improving literacy and skills, educating more women worldwide can have a far wider impact – on infant mortality, violence against women, community behaviour, productivity, and poverty reduction. This is a huge global success story and we need to champion it and encourage others to make a greater contribution, too.

There is also important work going on from UK-based organisations which, with a bit of diplomatic heft from the UK government, could be transformational. The two largest de-mining charities in the world are the Halo Trust and the Mines Advisory Group (MAG). Both are British. Now they are working together to try to make the world landmine-free by 2025. But they need diplomatic backing to engage governments around the world to help. Why shouldn’t the UK think that big?


The Halo Trust's most famous supporter

Clearing mines, offering safety to civilian populations and returning land to commercial use helps increase the conditions for job creation and economic advancement. It is directly in the UK’s economic and security interest to increase the ability of other nations to trade with us and to help make sure young men of fighting age, at risk of terrorist recruitment, are in work, rather than unemployed. It is also in our direct interest, as we seek to negotiate separate trade deals with other nations, to demonstrate that we are good global citizens.

Later this month, Mrs May will take representatives of some of the best British businesses to India, where she hopes: “We will send the message that the UK will be the most passionate, most consistent, and most convincing advocate for free trade.” In a break from the past, Mrs May will invite small- and medium-sized firms, as well as executives from major corporations, in order to ensure that companies at all levels feel they can benefit from the global economy, not be buffeted by it.

The world can often seem an insecure and disturbing place. The sense of frustration at institutional injustice, allied with impotency in the face of intractable conflict, makes it understandable that people may wish to turn away.

But it is precisely when such insecurity takes hold that global leadership is most needed. Yes, there is much work for the UK to do as we prepare to leave the EU. But we have a moral duty to turn our face to the wider world; to champion trade, to advance education, to support our friends and stand firm against those who would impart evil. We can’t afford to be found wanting.

In a world where Donald Trump can run for president, Britain has a moral duty to lead
Last edited by Blackleaf; Nov 1st, 2016 at 07:52 AM..
 
Cannuck
No Party Affiliation
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Moral duty to lead? Don't you need people that are willing to follow you first?
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck View Post

Moral duty to lead? Don't you need people that are willing to follow you first?

Well any country that isn't willing to follow Great Britain and her values is the type of nefarious country we don't want in today's world; the type of country in dire need of a regime change.
 
Cannuck
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

Well any country that isn't willing to follow Great Britain and her values is the type of nefarious country we don't want in today's world; the type of country in dire need of a regime change.

I'm not willing to follow any country that has so many ghosts. Besides, all the Brittish folks in Medicine Hat tell me what a shyte hole the place is.
 
mentalfloss
+1
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Suddenly the Brexiters don't like Trump.
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck View Post

I'm not willing to follow any country that has so many ghosts.

Why not? Are you scared?

Quote:

Besides, all the Brittish folks in Medicine Hat tell me what a shyte hole the place is.

Just like Medicine Hat, then. It's even got a shyte name.

Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

Suddenly the Brexiters don't like Trump.

I like Trump (even though his name is British slang for expelling gas through the anus). I'm looking forward to him being elected in a week's time.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
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Yes, of course British leadership is what the planet very much needs at this time.

Where were you when Blair and Cameron slithered into office?
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

Yes, of course British leadership is what the planet very much needs at this time.

Where were you when Blair and Cameron slithered into office?

Probably in bed (well, I was when Blair became PM in 1997).
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
+3
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Was he good?
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf View Post

Was he good?

I was 15. I think I had school in the morning.

I remember, though, feeling what a novelty it was to have a party in power that wasn't the Tories. It was the end of 18 years of Tory rule.
 
Bar Sinister
No Party Affiliation
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Moral duty to lead? Isn't Trump advocating what the Brits just did; namely pull back from international involvement? It's damned hard to lead when you're putting up as many barriers to international cooperation as you possibly can.
 
Dexter Sinister
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#12  Top Rated Post
What does it mean to follow Britain's lead, or America's lead, or anybody's lead? Do what they do? Support and promote what they do? Do what they say? What if that isn't good for us, or doesn't seem right/smart/sensible to us? Why would we think Britain or America or anybody has the moral high ground?

Give it up Blackleaf, Britain is no longer the global super power it once was and has no more moral authority than we do. Probably less in fact, we didn't conquer and colonize and exploit anybody outside our own borders. Canada is a colonial power on the British imperial model, as any thoughtful aboriginal person here would affirm, and before 1867 it was British--and before 1814 some French--imperialism that drove it. It's not a tale to be proud of, but at least we kept it to ourselves.
Last edited by Dexter Sinister; Nov 3rd, 2016 at 01:57 AM..
 
Ludlow
No Party Affiliation
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We don't need so called adults to lead anymore. Let's get some intelligent children together to dictate policy.
 
Dexter Sinister
No Party Affiliation
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They could hardly do worse...
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
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In a world where Donald Trump can run for president, Britain has a moral duty to lead

A "moral duty", eh? The world is slipping back into fascism.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#16
Can't fix stupid, Dex.
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
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ROOM WITH A VIEW Randy couple filmed having sex in hotel window opposite packed London office
Passionate pair's public performance caught on camera
http://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2101597...rokers-office/
moral leadership?

you folks could nuke ottawa in forty minutes with you fancy *** WMD
regime change is what you really deserve
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

Why not? Are you scared?

Just like Medicine Hat, then. It's even got a shyte name.



I like Trump (even though his name is British slang for expelling gas through the anus). I'm looking forward to him being elected in a week's time.

You'll get more free trade with the US through Clinton than Trump, though even she is a protectionist.
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister View Post

What does it mean to follow Britain's lead, or America's lead, or anybody's lead? Do what they do? Support and promote what they do? Do what they say? What if that isn't good for us, or doesn't seem right/smart/sensible to us? Why would we think Britain or America or anybody has the moral high ground?

Give it up Blackleaf, Britain is no longer the global super power it once was and has no more moral authority than we do. Probably less in fact, we didn't conquer and colonize and exploit anybody outside our own borders. Canada is a colonial power on the British imperial model, as any thoughtful aboriginal person here would affirm, and before 1867 it was British--and before 1814 some French--imperialism that drove it. It's not a tale to be proud of, but at least we kept it to ourselves.

So what country would you like to lead, then?
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

I was 15. I think I had school in the morning.

I remember, though, feeling what a novelty it was to have a party in power that wasn't the Tories. It was the end of 18 years of Tory rule.


Now, now a little respect for Maggie, please!

Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo View Post

You'll get more free trade with the US through Clinton than Trump, though even she is a protectionist.


Looks like Clinton won't be trading with anyone in 5 more days, unless it's f**king stories about how great she WAS.
 
Remington1
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If Trump wins, then yes, definitely a shift is needed, especially with the World Currency, he lost close to a billion dollar, a fact that cannot be disputed. Not such a good business man. He claims to be a billionaire, but whatever he's worth, he kept afloat by abusing the system over and over again!! With Brexit, which was probably the only way some Brits felt they could stop some unBritish demands put on their country; not sure they can now take over, trading Trump for May?? Who else has the military, monetary, etc to take over? Germany and France are out of the picture now... thoughts?
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Now, now a little respect for Maggie, please!

I've got no problem with Maggie. A fine PM.
 
Dexter Sinister
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

So what country would you like to lead, then?

Not yours, you've had your turn.

Lead us to where, to do what? Do we need a country to lead? Being a leading country historically just seems to mean engaging in various forms of imperialism and coercion, military or economic or both, and nobody likes that but the leading country itself.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
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Britian and morality do not belong in the same sentence.
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

Britian and morality do not belong in the same sentence.

So why did you just use them in the same sentence?
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

Britian and morality do not belong in the same sentence.


I think he got you on that one Beav!
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

"I will build a great, great wall on our southern border. And I will have Mexico pay for that wall."


Hey, China built a great f**king wall a few years back and guess what! It's working........................................... ....no Mexicans anywhere near it!
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

Britian and morality do not belong in the same sentence.

The first country in the world the world to permanently ban slavery.

The country which fought and defeated Napoleon.

The country which fought and defeated Nazism.

The country which fought and defeated Comminism.

The country which gave the world modern democracy, rights as enshrined in Magna Carta.

The country which gave the world all its greatest inventions and most popular sports.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

The first country in the world the world to permanently ban slavery.

The country which fought and defeated Napoleon.

The country which fought and defeated Nazism.

The country which fought and defeated Comminism.

The country which gave the world modern democracy, rights as enshrined in Magna Carta.

The country which gave the world all its greatest inventions and most popular sports.


F**k off B.L. What Blighter ever played hockey?
 
DaSleeper
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Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

The first country in the world the world to permanently ban slavery.

The country which fought and defeated Napoleon.

The country which fought and defeated Nazism.

The country which fought and defeated Comminism.

The country which gave the world modern democracy, rights as enshrined in Magna Carta.

The country which gave the world all its greatest inventions and most popular sports.

If you believe al that you stated..... you're absolutely batty...