Russia, Ukraine reach ceasefire deal in eastern Ukraine


mentalfloss
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Where's Harper?




Russia, Ukraine reach ceasefire deal in eastern Ukraine

Russia and Ukraine reached a new deal on a ceasefire in eastern Ukraine on Thursday, though even the leaders who negotiated it were downbeat about how far the pact would go towards resolving the 10-month old war that has killed upwards of 5,300 people.

Russian President Vladimir Putin and Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko emerged from marathon talks in the Belarusian capital of Minsk to give separate press conferences announcing that a ceasefire would begin at midnight on Feb. 15. If the fighting stops, the next step would be a pullback of heavy artillery two days later by both the Ukrainian army and the Russian-backed rebels who have been fighting to carve out an independent state in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions.

While Mr. Putin was visibly pleased after the talks, the other leaders were more reserved. Ms. Merkel said she was under “no illusion” about what had been achieved and that “big hurdles” remained.

In a statement released from Berlin, German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said “for some this will not be enough. We also would have wished for more - but this is what the presidents of Ukraine and Russia could agree on.”

Ms. Merkel and Mr. Hollande had pushed the Russian and Ukrainian leaders to end the fighting, amid worries it could spill over into a wider conflict. The United States and Canada are debating sending military aid to Ukraine, a step Ms. Merkel has said could lead to Russia upping its own involvement in the fighting.

Russia, Ukraine reach ceasefire deal in eastern Ukraine - The Globe and Mail
 
petros
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#2
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Where's Harper?

see that Angela women in the picture? She was just here on Monday to get advice.
 
Blackleaf
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Where's Harper?

Where's Cameron or Obama or Humala or O'Neill or Abbott or Faymann or Christie or Sen or Yang or Neves or Kamoun or Deubet or Bachelet or Sobotka or Thorning-Schmidt or Skerrit or Medina or Kenny or Masimov or Thammavong or Hasler or Sirleaf or Gruevski or Mutharika or Keita or Muscat or Loeak or Hademine or Jugnauth or Mirziyoyev or Wickremesinghe or Rajoy or Loong or Dionne or Malielegaoi or Anthony or Douglas or Key or Turanskaya or Lungu or Tấn Dũng or Pinda or Chan-ocha or Rasulzoda or Bouterse or Rutte or Geingob or Saikhanbileg or Simpson-Miller or Duncan or Netanyahu or Tsipras or Mitchell or Garibashvili or Ondo or Valls or Stubb or Mahlab or Correa or Castro or Borsisov or Khama or Boni or Kirchner or Roger or Solberg or Ponta or Kopacz or Cerar or Persad-Bissessar or Bertello or Zida or Nkurunziza or Fofana or Hinds or Gunnlaugsson or Fico or Berdimuhamedow or Ahoomey-Zunu?
 
petros
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And First Nations.
 
Colpy
Conservative
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#5
That should last about 10 minutes.

Personally, I think NATO should send Ukraine some imaginary A-10s to poke holes in Russia's imaginary T-80 tanks that are not in Ukraine.
 
Blackleaf
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The French and the Germans can't go too hard on the Russians because they rely on the Russians for much of their gas supply.
 
Nuggler
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

Where's Harper?




Russia, Ukraine reach ceasefire deal in eastern Ukraine

Russia and Ukraine reached a new deal on a ceasefire in eastern Ukraine on Thursday, though even the leaders who negotiated it were downbeat about how far the pact would go towards resolving the 10-month old war that has killed upwards of 5,300 people.

Russian President Vladimir Putin and Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko emerged from marathon talks in the Belarusian capital of Minsk to give separate press conferences announcing that a ceasefire would begin at midnight on Feb. 15. If the fighting stops, the next step would be a pullback of heavy artillery two days later by both the Ukrainian army and the Russian-backed rebels who have been fighting to carve out an independent state in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions.

While Mr. Putin was visibly pleased after the talks, the other leaders were more reserved. Ms. Merkel said she was under “no illusion” about what had been achieved and that “big hurdles” remained.

In a statement released from Berlin, German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said “for some this will not be enough. We also would have wished for more - but this is what the presidents of Ukraine and Russia could agree on.”

Ms. Merkel and Mr. Hollande had pushed the Russian and Ukrainian leaders to end the fighting, amid worries it could spill over into a wider conflict. The United States and Canada are debating sending military aid to Ukraine, a step Ms. Merkel has said could lead to Russia upping its own involvement in the fighting.

Russia, Ukraine reach ceasefire deal in eastern Ukraine - The Globe and Mail


Jesus Harold Christo, Flossy: If Harper was there you'd say he should be staying out of European affairs, and staying home to distribute wealth amongst the Canadian impoverished and drug addicted..........................not that he's gonna do that anyway.

Point is Harper does enough bad shyte to get called on. Start calling him on everything and YOU lose the cred.

Bad enough he was crying like a bitch in that fukkin closet. He can't be in a closet and solving Putin's problems too.

People are gonna start to think he's got a brain and re-elect him..........FFS !!

Self control Floss. Self control.

..........eh.
 
Blackleaf
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If Harper was there you'd say he should be staying out of European affairs,

It's not really European affairs, is it? It's Russian and Ukrainian affairs.
 
Nuggler
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Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

It's not really European affairs, is it? It's Russian and Ukrainian affairs.


Oh what the fukk ever, Blackie. I'm just tryin to lead Flossy out of the swamp Son of a bitch goes spavined on me just as I get the traces lined up.

You look after Queenie and Kuntry. Leave Canadar to me..................
 
mentalfloss
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A ceasefire is still a good thing even if it is politically motivated by resources.

If Harper was truly motivated by good intentions he would at least make a statement endorsing the ceasefire and uhh.. you know... a continued peace between the two territories.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#11
This arrangment will be very temporary. The Ukraine is about to undergo another coup. This time internally generated led and staffed. The Juntas days are numbered. Ukrainians will eject the banking monsters and the zionists looters.
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

This arrangment will be very temporary. The Ukraine is about to undergo another coup. This time internally generated led and staffed. The Juntas days are numbered. Ukrainians will eject the banking monsters and the zionists looters.


It's always the fault of the Jews somewhere along the line, isn't it?
 
darkbeaver
Republican
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Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

It's always the fault of the Jews somewhere along the line, isn't it?


You are a simple minded Limey propagandist. Your opinion is worthless. You should be lobotomized by a pet doctor.
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post


You are a simple minded Limey propagandist. Your opinion is worthless. You should be lobotomized by a pet doctor.


Calling me a propagandist? That's ironic.

"It's the Joos' fault! The Joos did it! The Joos are to blame!"

The situation in Ukraine? The Joos are to blame.
9/11? That was the Joos.
Greece going skint? It was the Joos!
Middlebrough knocking Manchester City out of the Cup? That was the big-nosed Joos again.
 
Kreskin
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Спасибо Вам за большой водки !
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

The French and the Germans can't go too hard on the Russians because they rely on the Russians for much of their gas supply.

Poland, France and Ukraine have all the gas the EU needs. The frack attack began last year.

Israeli, Palestinian, Egyptian and Lebanese gas will hit the EU markets in short time. The Soviet and Saudis won't have a Western Market and a hold much longer.
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Poland, France and Ukraine have all the gas the EU needs. The frack attack began last year.

Israeli, Palestinian, Egyptian and Lebanese gas will hit the EU markets in short time. The Soviet and Saudis won't have a Western Market and a hold much longer.


France has banned fracking everywhere within its territory. France doesn't want anything to do with it, it seems.

The fact of the matter is that France and Germany get a huge amount of their gas from Russia, which could turn off the taps at any moment. That's why Hollande and Merkel are in desperate talks with the Russians and Ukrainians about the situation in Ukraine and why they won't dare to go too hard on the Russians. Russia supplying much of Germany's gas is the main reason why Germany has been taking a soft approach on Russia and not wanting to go too hard on her.

 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

This arrangment will be very temporary. The Ukraine is about to undergo another coup. This time internally generated led and staffed. The Juntas days are numbered. Ukrainians will eject the banking monsters and the zionists looters.

You are giving the Ukes a lot of cred there.
 
MHz
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

Where's Harper?

The West wasn't invited, probably why there was a deal reached, very sad and very true.
Obama Threatened Putin Before Minsk Meeting – German Media / Sputnik International
Several German media institutions wrote that during the recent phone conversation, US President Barack Obama threatened the Russian President Vladimir Putin with serious consequences for Russia’s alleged involvement in the Ukrainian conflict.
US President Barack Obama warned Vladimir Putin that "the costs for Russia will rise" if the country does not stop its alleged involvement in the Ukrainian crisis, German media wrote. This was in reference to the recent phone conversation between the leaders of two countries, which took place a day before the reconciliation talks on the Ukrainian crisis in Minsk.
"Obama is urging Putin to peace and threatening," the German newspaper "Die Zeit" wrote. According to the newspaper, the US president told Vladimir Putin that he would have to pay a high price if the conflict is not settled.
"Der Spiegel" magazine also noted that Obama's calls for peace contained a threatening tone. The US leader once again accused Russia of military involvement in the Ukrainian conflict. If Russia continues its "aggressive actions" in Ukraine and provides independence supporters with weapons and financial assistance, then "the costs for Russia will rise", Obama warned.

Read more: Obama Threatened Putin Before Minsk Meeting – German Media / Sputnik International

Who Wants to Die for Poroshenko? According to The Guardian: Nobody - Russia Insider

Ruslan Kotsaba posted a video addressed to the Ukrainian president, Petro Poroshenko, last week in which he said he would rather go to prison for five years for draft-dodging than fight pro-Russia rebels in the country’s east. Now he faces 15 years in jail after being arrested for treason and obstructing the military.
His case is symptomatic of Kiev’s difficulties in mobilising a war-weary society to continue the fight against the rebels, who appear to have an unlimited supply of weapons and training from Russia. As the country nears bankruptcy and the reform programme demanded by the Maidan revolution last year is sidelined by the war effort, the drive to call up new recruits is floundering.
The conflict has cost more than 5,000 lives since it began last spring and Russia shows no signs of toning down its backing for the separatist movement. Poroshenko is due to meet his Russian, French and German counterparts in Minsk on Wednesday, and the financial and emotional burden of months of conflict could mean Ukraine is forced to accept a deal that effectively gives up control of rebel-held territory.
Ukrainian men aged 25-60 are eligible for conscription and 75,000 have been called up, of whom 60% will enter service, Poroshenko claimed last week. Preference is given to men with military experience.
A government decree regulates foreign travel for those subject to mobilisation. It means people could be arrested at border checkpoints, with those guilty of draft-dodging facing up to five years in prison – a law which provided the basis for Kotsaba’s video.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

You are giving the Ukes a lot of cred there.

It's already a month old, desertions at the front, desertions at the rear and defeat in battle. Punative battalions behind every Ukrainian army assault to shoot retreaters.
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

The West wasn't invited,

Apart from the Russian gas dependent Germans and French....
 
MHz
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Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

Calling me a propagandist? That's ironic.

"It's the Joos' fault! The Joos did it! The Joos are to blame!"

The situation in Ukraine? The Joos are to blame.
9/11? That was the Joos.
Greece going skint? It was the Joos!
Middlebrough knocking Manchester City out of the Cup? That was the big-nosed Joos again.

Lose a bad war and you go full on retard.
Me thinks you must have been looking over that event horizon for a long time. BTW, it looks good on you, hope the new staple for the UK is corn on the cob. That should reduce the population through natural starvation, starting at the top.
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Lose a bad war and you go full on retard.
Me thinks you must have been looking over that event horizon for a long time. BTW, it looks good on you, hope the new staple for the UK is corn on the cob. That should reduce the population through natural starvation, starting at the top.


Yep. That makes a lot of sense.
 
MHz
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Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

Apart from the Russian gas dependent Germans and French....

That would be your inbred nation and the US, oh and Canada.
Wonderful news wouldn't you say. I'll also bet Russia gets the $3B she is due at the moment. On the bright side the Ukraine will get NG at the new price the world is paying. Good thing we didn't start building those NG ships.
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

That would be your inbred nation and the US, oh and Canada.
Wonderful news wouldn't you say. I'll also bet Russia gets the $3B she is due at the moment. On the bright side the Ukraine will get NG at the new price the world is paying. Good thing we didn't start building those NG ships.


Britain isn't dependent on Russian gas at all, unlike most of Continental Europe, including France and Germany. See map above.

Britain produces 60% of its own natural gas (North Sea gas).

The Russians turning off the taps will affect France Germany and much of the rest of Continental Europe, but won't affect Britain at all.
 
MHz
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Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

Yep. That makes a lot of sense.

It looks good on you, not much you can say about the losing the war so these will be the kinds of posts that will be your only choice.



Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

Britain isn't dependent on Russian gas at all, unlike most of Continental Europe. See map above.

Britain produces 60% of its own natural gas (North Sea).

I was talking about that 'plan' of the 'West supplying the Ukraine with NG via a fleet of new boats.
I'm glad you have lots of NG because a lot more snow and cold weather is on the way. I haven't seen any wintery pics from you lately, winter fest end already?

The taps and the rail cars bringing ore to Europe will give them something to do while building new roads and such to places like India and China where 90% of the people have been waiting for power for 80 years, all the West has managed to do is create a war-zone called Israel. Won't be long before they jump on board with the new peace plan, something like rejoin the UN human rights meetings after Canada quit them in support of Israel boycotting them. We never did rejoin like Israel did as far as I know.
Last edited by MHz; Feb 12th, 2015 at 10:24 AM..
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

Where's Harper?

If Harper was truly motivated by good intentions he would at least make a statement endorsing the ceasefire and uhh.. you know... a continued peace between the two territories.

Harper was busy talking Justine out of lobbying to send blankets and mittens to the victims of the violence in the Ukraine..... I do think that Steve did get side-tracked though in convincing Trudeau not to make a bunch of jokes about Putin invading a country everytime the Russian hockey team lost.

The above is a full time job for Harper
 
MHz
#28
"The above is a full time job for Harper"
He is a joke so that part certainly fits. Putin is laughing, the Herpster isn't, that is comedy right there. Now the apology for that dumbass comment he made, that will be a classic.
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
#29
You should take up a collection to send mittens to those unfortunates in the Ukraine that have lost their homes and loved ones.... Warm mittens always make the problems go away
 
petros
#30
Wool and sheepskin are the norm. Do we have a sheepskin/wool industry to source from?

Is it sustainable?