Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier
I agree with you, but perception is important. In the last referendum, I would most certainly have voted remain for two reasons:
1. The leave option was too ambiguous.
So was the Remain option, using your logic.
2. Some Leavers' rhetoric came across as too isolationist so I would have worried had their version of Brexit taken hold (again related to the ambiguity of the Leave option).
What's isolationist about leaving an inward-looking, highly-protectionist union and becoming more outward-looking and global?
There's nothing isolationist about Brexit. Britain is a member of many other multinational organisations: ADB (nonregional member), AfDB (nonregional member), Arctic Council (observer), Australia Group, BIS, C, CBSS (observer), CD, CDB, CE, CERN, EAPC, EBRD, ECB, EIB, EITI (implementing country), ESA, FAO, FATF, G-5, G-7, G-8, G-10, G-20, IADB, IAEA, IBRD, ICAO, ICC (national committees), ICCt, ICRM, IDA, IEA, IFAD, IFC, IFRCS, IGAD (partners), IHO, ILO, IMF, IMO, IMSO, Interpol, IOC, IOM, IPU, ISO, ITSO, ITU, ITUC (NGOs), MIGA, MINUSMA, MONUSCO, NATO, NEA, NSG, OAS (observer), OECD, OPCW, OSCE, Pacific Alliance (observer), Paris Club, PCA, PIF (partner), SELEC (observer), SICA (observer), UN, UNCTAD, UNESCO, UNFICYP, UNHCR, UNMISS, UNRWA, UNSC (permanent), UPU, WCO, WHO, WIPO, WMO, WTO, ZC.
If you had a referendum 2.0 with the same options as the last, I'd again vote remain for the same reasons. Unilateral global free trade as thealternative to remainwould address both concerns. It would be a somewhat more clearly defined option and woukd ensure that the isolationist vision not gain the upper hand. If I were British, I'd probably identify myself as a cautious Leaver in principle. I imagine that at least some who voted remain fell in the same camp.
Again, you're going down the Remainer route of thinking of Brexit in terms of money and economics and what it means for such things. Most of the 17,410,742 people who voted Leave did so purely to regain the country's sovereignty and independence, and were willing to do so even if the economy took a short-term hit.
Only for Remainers is it about economics. For Leavers, it's about sovereignty.
how would you reword the referendum to asdress their concerns so Aston avoid a repetition of the present chaos?
I wouldn't reword it. I don't agree with undemocratically gerrymandering the Leave option.
Same with NAFTA. I see flaws in it, but I'd never vote to leave it withno clear indication if would replace it. I'msure many remain voters voted remain for the same reason.
There's no comparison between NAFTA and the EU. NAFTA isn't a burgeoning nation state like the EU.
Canada hasn't given up the dollar to adopt a new NAFTA-wide currency. 90% of Canada's laws aren't created by unelected Americans and Mexicans at the NAFTA parliament in Mexico City. Canada doesn't have to accept unlimited numbers of migrants from the rest of NAFTA.
If Canada was part of an organisation that is identical to the EU, you'd be wanting out.