Saudi Arabia and Israel prepare for Nuclear War


Scott Free
Free Thinker
#1
Dick Cheney’s message has been received: Saudi Arabia and Israel prepare for Nuclear War while Iran tries to broker peace


Dick Cheney wrapped up his tour of the Middle East last week and it appears that he has accomplished his main objective: to prepare his allies for the proliferation of war.
While the general consensus from most news sources is that “ Cheney has not made meaningful headway ”, reading between the lines tells a different story . The misinterpretation of what Mr. Cheney’s mission has accomplished begins with the assumption that the vice president of the United States, representing those in control of the largest Military-Industrial Complex (video 59:05) in the world, is willing to negotiate with sworn enemies for peace.
If peace was the object of Cheney’s tour, then why are Saudi Arabia and Israel preparing for Nuclear War? Why did violence in Iraq increase , requiring an Iranian brokered peace deal ? Is it just coincidence that within a few weeks of the “ incident in the Strait of Hormuz ”, Russian sources are reporting that “ the latest military intelligence data point to heightened U.S. military preparations for both an air and ground operation against Iran ”, and that “U.S. Naval presence in the Persian Gulf has for the first time in the past four years reached the level that existed shortly before the invasion of Iraq in March 2003”? All of this on the heals of Admiral William Fallon’s resignation ! So many coincidences and so few answers from our leaders .
So what can we concluded from all this? I believe the following two maps showing the location of US military bases in the Middle East and existing and proposed oil and gas pipelines should answer our questions.

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click map to enlarge - source
That was simple enough, but what would an attack on Iran mean for the world? The following are just a few of the consequences:
  1. The boundaries that we see on world maps marking the territories of countries are just what we see - lines on a piece of paper. Iranians are not confined to lines drawn by European powers decades ago. Iranians live not only in Iran but also, en masse, in all the countries in the region. Certain parts of Iran’s neighbors even speak dialects of Farsi. So if the United States bombs Iran, since there is no way they have any intentions of invading, they would be declaring war on parts of every country surrounding Iran. This would mean that the United States would be at war with every country in the region since civil war would breakout in all the US installed puppet regimes. This could explain why the United States has created a new map of the Middle East.
    click map to enlarge

    click map to enlarge - source
  2. Not only are Iranians spread out in the region, they are also living, en masse, in the rest of the world. The Iranian Diaspora Population map shows that approximately 2.5 million live in the US alone, 700,000 in the Canada, 300,000 in the UK, and 2 million in India. If a war breakouts between the US and Iran then what transpired with the internment of Japanese Americans and Canadians during World War II would become a distant memory and a travesty that will be repeated. Unfortunately it appears that the United States is prepared for this scenario, since it has already built 800 FEMA prison camps which are fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. A question does come to mind however; will a nation of Christians and non-Muslims be able to prevent genocide during this World War ? I personally doubt it, because the threat from those who are of Middle Eastern descent will be a real one that Western governments will exploit .

    click map to enlarge - source
  3. If the United States attacks Iran, then Iran could stop exporting oil and/or “get tough and close down all oil-tanker traffic that comes within range of (its) missiles–which would mean little or no oil from Iraq, Saudi Arabia, or the smaller Gulf states”. This is a very likely scenario, but what exactly does “global oil rationing, industrial shutdowns, and the end of the present economic era” mean? One way to fully understand the impact of such an event is to look at Africa. The population of Africa at the present is approximately 1 billion. According to a recent presentation at a United Nations conference, it is estimated that “nearly 75% of the continent could come to rely on some sort of food aid by 2025”. If there is “global oil rationing” then it is safe to assume that feeding Africans would become a low priority operation for the rest of the world. This could mean that 750 million people could starve to death in Africa.
  4. Just to put things into perspective, making sure that it is fully understood what the impact of an attack on Iran really means, consider this. The United States has already stated that they will use nuclear weapons in an aerial bombardment campaign against Iran. Since the creation of the atomic bomb, it has been accepted that once nuclear weapons are used again in any war, then they will continue to be used until there is no one left to kill. As the saying goes, you do not bring a knife to a gunfight, so once a nuclear weapon has been used on any country then that country and its people have a right to use unclear weapons in retaliation. Albert Einstein once said, “I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones”. I personally hope that we will not fulfill Einstein’s prophecy.
This is what Dick Cheney’s visit to the Middle East has accomplished: bringing us one step closer to terminal nuclear war .



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I found this interesting and thought I would share.

How likely is it that Bush will start 3rd world war before the end of his Presidency?
 
Praxius
Free Thinker
#2
"How likely is it that Bush will start 3rd world war before the end of his Presidency?"

Extremely likely... I've been saying this for the last several years. Plus apparently Israel was claiming Iran was monitoring their communications just recently and had to step up their security (Lost the article cuz the forums were down at the time and then it was removed from CTV's site, go figure.) Then again, if I had a couple of countries talking about attacking compounds and such in my country, I'd be listening to what they were saying too.
 
Colpy
Conservative
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by Praxius View Post

"How likely is it that Bush will start 3rd world war before the end of his Presidency?"

Extremely likely... I've been saying this for the last several years. Plus apparently Israel was claiming Iran was monitoring their communications just recently and had to step up their security (Lost the article cuz the forums were down at the time and then it was removed from CTV's site, go figure.) Then again, if I had a couple of countries talking about attacking compounds and such in my country, I'd be listening to what they were saying too.

Well.....Iran sponsors both Hamas and Hezbollah, as well as some even MORE looney Jew-haters in the ME.......

No friends of mine, or anyone else that values peace and liberty.

So....how do you figure nuclear war?

I thought Iran was not trying to develop nukes?

I doubt, as well, the USA will get uinvolved in another ME mess willingly, or enthusiastically.

If action is taken against Iran..........it will be done by Israel, in a NON-nuclear attack.

If it is done by Israel, it will have been necessary.

Remember the Israeli attack on the Iraqi nuclear station back in 1982, I believe?

If not for the Israelis, the French would have succeeded in arming Saddam Hussein with nuclear weapons......shudder

We owe the Israelis a huge debt for that one.........
 
MikeyDB
#4
Kool!

For all those who don't think we're making "progress" (human beings) news that our military industrial complex has found a way to replace highway lighting and incandescent light fixtures is truly exciting.

Radioactive oil will give us plastics and cars that glow in the dark.

A HUGE step forward!
 
MikeyDB
#5
Colpy

It's become obvious that you hate Muslims and love and adore Jews, so how does the prospect of Korean nuclear missiles and Chinese nuclear missiles and Russian nuclear missiles factor into this triangle? "If not for the Israelis, the French would have succeeded in arming Saddam Hussein with nuclear weapons......shudder"

If we play your speculation game.... what possible difference does it make to anyone if its Israeli nukes or American nukes or French nukes or ....

I'm a pessimist and a cynic,but it appears that death and destruction is your hobby and self-destruction is your Nirvana.

Will you be smiling when the first nukes fall.......? I'm sure if the star of David is painted on the side of a MIRV or two you'll be tickled to death...so to speak....
 
Praxius
Free Thinker
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Well.....Iran sponsors both Hamas and Hezbollah, as well as some even MORE looney Jew-haters in the ME.......

And we all know why they do, or we should.

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So....how do you figure nuclear war?

Because it's easier then trying to find the troops to send in.

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I thought Iran was not trying to develop nukes?

As evidence shows, they're not.... that doesn't mean Israel or the US still won't attack/nuke them, based on their repetitive and unfounded claims that they are. Not to mention lack of facts and real evidence hasn't stopped them from carrying out attacks yet, why wouldn't they now?

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If action is taken against Iran..........it will be done by Israel, in a NON-nuclear attack.

Perhaps at the start.

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If it is done by Israel, it will have been necessary.

I doubt that.

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Remember the Israeli attack on the Iraqi nuclear station back in 1982, I believe?

Was it actually a nuclear station or is that what they claim?

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If not for the Israelis, the French would have succeeded in arming Saddam Hussein with nuclear weapons......shudder

Meh... might have prevented this joke of a war we're witnessing now.

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We owe the Israelis a huge debt for that one.........

I don't owe them squat.
 
Colpy
Conservative
#7
[quote=Praxius;940859]And we all know why they do, or we should.

WE should be supporting Hamas and Hezbollah? Either you don't know what you are talking about, or you are out of your freaking mind. Both of these organizations wish to murder every Jew on earth. Both wish to destroy Israel. Both would happily lop off your head because you are (I assume) a non-Muslim. Both would blow up your kid's school just to get attention.

Because it's easier then trying to find the troops to send in.

That is just silly.

As evidence shows, they're not.... that doesn't mean Israel or the US still won't attack/nuke them, based on their repetitive and unfounded claims that they are.

Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. Believe it or not, Israel and the USA are not slobbering lunatics ......they are democracies, their leaders like to stay in power, to do so they need the support of their people.......using up military assets and the lives of their husbands and sons does NOT get you political support......see George W Bush, the most unpopular President in history........

Israel will not strike across the ME in a very risky venture (diplomatically, politically and militarily) without good reason.



Perhaps at the start.



I doubt that.



Was it actually a nuclear station or is that what they claim?

(SIGH) Yes it was a nuclear reactor.....built openly, with French help......GEEZ!

Meh... might have prevented this joke of a war we're witnessing now.

You obviously know NOTHING about Saddam......his aim was a pan-Arab fascist state, ruled by himself, and certainly NOT including any Jews. His wars with Iran and Kuwait were steps towards that end......thank God he didn't have nukes......and YES we owe that to the Israeli action.

I don't owe them squat.

WRONG! See above. Read a little modern history of the region
 
MikeyDB
#8
Praxius

Colpy demonstrates that he's a student of history. "If we hadn't nuked Japan a million people could have been killed." If the Israelis hadn't stopped the Iraqi nuclear program Saddam Hussein could have started WWIII." "Because Iraq had stockpiles of WMDs we had to invade that nation because they could have held the world hostage to their demands."

"If we don't stop the North Vietnamese in Southeast Asia they could swallow South Vietnam"

"We have a responsibility to protect "democracy" because non-democratic nations could bring the world to it's knees imposing socialist dogma and communist agenda throughout the world."

I suppose the clarity of the American position in conducting business with Nazi Germany suggests that fascism of an acceptable character could be considered as allowable so long as trade doesn't suffer.

Our history is full of rushing into war and conflict because we allowed dynamics to spiral out of control. We supply Saudi Arabia with mountains of money to feed our petroleum appetites and ignore the fanaticism for decades because we've come to rely on a steady stream of Texas Tea to lubricate the wheels of "progress". We've allowed wholesale slaughter in Rwanda and many other nations because there wasn't sufficient grounds for us to get involved....READ (There was no oil or other resources we could loot). We'll establish oppressive dictatorships around the world and live a better "quality of life" than the vast majority of the world and won't be bothered addressing how hostilities grow when these regimes foment discontent anger and commit atrocities on the people of those nations we've sacrificed to our appetites.

Safely ensconced half a world away...we can build up the largest nuclear arsenel and biggest military machine ever seen on the planet....relax and be happy while consuming more than we can produce and using every means possible to ensure that our greed and our "lifestyle" don't suffer. Even if that means reducing the "quality of life" of millions throughout the world and operating sweatshops and child-labor factories to feed our money-mill. We'll despoil the earth in the name of progress and when the people of other nations begin to suffer for lack of water and food we may (or we may not) be suprised at their anger and resentment at being manipulated and made the brunt of our consumer societies.

History is such a noble enterprise.

We have to prevent North Korea from developing nuclear capabilities because they could threaten the safety of North America."
 
thomaska
#9
The eye rolling "smileys" that are provided are entirely too small for these "OMGWTF BUSH WWIII" threads.
 
Praxius
Free Thinker
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

WE should be supporting Hamas and Hezbollah? Either you don't know what you are talking about, or you are out of your freaking mind. Both of these organizations wish to murder every Jew on earth. Both wish to destroy Israel. Both would happily lop off your head because you are (I assume) a non-Muslim. Both would blow up your kid's school just to get attention.



I never said we should be supporting either... both have their reasons, let them blow the hell out of each other and be done with it.

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That is just silly.



See Signature.....

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Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. Believe it or not, Israel and the USA are not slobbering lunatics ......



Could have fooled me.

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they are democracies,



Wrong, as it has been yelled at me countless times in the past in other US-majority forums.... the US is a Republic, not a Democracy.

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their leaders like to stay in power, to do so they need the support of their people.......using up military assets and the lives of their husbands and sons does NOT get you political support......see George W Bush, the most unpopular President in history........



And as we see, popularity doesn't seem to mean squat as they still go ahead and do as they please, regardless of what the country thinks or wants.... some democracy.

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Israel will not strike across the ME in a very risky venture (diplomatically, politically and militarily) without good reason.



Or good assumption.

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(SIGH) Yes it was a nuclear reactor.....built openly, with French help......GEEZ!



Well excuse me for not caring. Once again.... where do they have the right to act as the World Police and the Drunken Deputy?

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You obviously know NOTHING about Saddam......his aim was a pan-Arab fascist state, ruled by himself, and certainly NOT including any Jews. His wars with Iran and Kuwait were steps towards that end......thank God he didn't have nukes......and YES we owe that to the Israeli action.



I know enough about the situation, and I'm suprised you seem to know Saddam so well that you know what his personal plans and objectives were even though he hasn't taken action.... or are you going by what you were told and assume once again?

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WRONG! See above. Read a little modern history of the region

You want to preach about democracy? Then don't dictate to me who's feet I should be kissing for actions they took which I never asked for. Saddam's war machine wasn't even active when the US invaded Iraq, he didn't have WMD, and one also has to wonder about any other BS that was spread about that isn't true. You're fearmongering at best.
 
Scott Free
Free Thinker
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by thomaska View Post

The eye rolling "smileys" that are provided are entirely too small for these "OMGWTF BUSH WWIII" threads.

I don't think you comprehend the seriousness of a failed state superpower. This is a problem that Americans can not obviously solve on their own or there would be no problem. Just like with Germany you will push and push until the world has to take action.

I realize your rhetoric makes sense to you but for the vast numbers of humanity it sounds completely nuts. I visit a US forum on occasion and it is the craziest place on the web. It is so full of rhetoric and doublespeak it boggles the mind. There is little doubt in my mind that the US has so isolated itself from the world that it has lost all grip on reality. It is like an entire nation in the throws of a major psychosis.

The delusions have embedded themselves so thoroughly that it's pointless even try and reason with most (not all) Americans. I know because I have tried.

So yeah, snicker away to yourself but the fact is eventually the USA will have to be stopped and put in its place as a member of the world community. Like trying to bath a screaming toddler it won't be easy and it is going to be a global war - that the world will win.

I'm not being anti-American either. I would say this about any country that went completely mad. My opinion is derived exclusively from observing your nations behaviour. The US admits to spreading its hegemony and that is admitting that it wants to dominate the world. That is evil.
 
Zzarchov
#12
Wait, Saddams actions at a Pan-Arab state are "guesses"

they were claim to power, HE said them, he used them declare war on half the Muslim war. He committed Genocide to cleanse regions of Non-Arabs.
 
zoofer
#13
Sometimes I have to look twice as it appears Colpy is 'talking' to Chappaquiddick Teddy or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Turns out they are locals!
 
talloola
No Party Affiliation
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by Scott Free View Post

Dick Cheney’s message has been received: Saudi Arabia and Israel prepare for Nuclear War while Iran tries to broker peace


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I found this interesting and thought I would share.

How likely is it that Bush will start 3rd world war before the end of his Presidency?

Doesn't going to war with 'anybody' have to be voted on in congress before it can happen?
They will not vote for it.
 
Zzarchov
#15
No it doesn't, there can be 60 days(?) of war on the presidents approval, if he thinks there is an imminent threat of attack.

Put in place to deal with the cold war "Ok, we've been nuked..get congress togethor..we have 2 minutes for a vote before we all die..get moving"
 
talloola
No Party Affiliation
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by Zzarchov View Post

No it doesn't, there can be 60 days(?) of war on the presidents approval, if he thinks there is an imminent threat of attack.

Put in place to deal with the cold war "Ok, we've been nuked..get congress togethor..we have 2 minutes for a vote before we all die..get moving"

He would have to convince congress that there 'actually' is a threat of imminent danger of
an attack, and there won't be. They are very leary of him now, he isn't going to convince
them of much of anything.
 
MikeyDB
#17
Talloola

IF the congress and senate of the United States had an inkling or entertained the notion of a facility to critical thought....if the entire government of the United States was capable of intuiting the concept of justice and proportionality....

IF the Military Industrial Complex of the United States of America was concerned with anything other than increasing their personal wealth and power then the idea that you couldn't convince them of much might stand a chance. The sad fact is that money that could be spent helping Americans devastated by hurricanes floods fires and failing infrastructure is instead funnelled into the pockets of the this MIC while being filtered through the pockets of multi-millionaire war profiteers. Education and health care in the United States are way way waaaaay down the list of priorities for the gangster administration that sits in office today and the one waiting in the wings to sink their teeth into the golden calf of taxpayer's money while the rubes in the streets whipped into a frenzy of "patriotic duty" are told that "Well gosh ya know...we would have had to invade Iraq eventually anyway...to counter the Islamofascists and preserve "freedom"...but yes perhaps the 'timing' was a little off.." "Rest assured that your taxpayer dollars spent to bail out Bear Stearns and the filthy-rich who have suffered so greatly during these trying times....need your support." "And they need your support in fighting the Axis'o"Evil that threatens our great Republic."

America is when all is said and done, a nation of sheep easily led to slaughter by the wealthy who steal from them and the corporations who erect fantasies in their minds that Americans are living the "American Dream" right up to the point where their homes are foreclosed-on. Exxon Mobil and the petroleum Mafia extract their futures at the gas pumps and two Gumby Wannabes are the choices presented for election in lieu of "Blood'N'Guts McCain.....

Americans will believe anything these con-men in Congress and the Senate tell them...hell to do otherwise to the noble representatives who they elected would be unthinkable....
 
talloola
No Party Affiliation
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by MikeyDB View Post

Talloola

IF the congress and senate of the United States had an inkling or entertained the notion of a facility to critical thought....if the entire government of the United States was capable of intuiting the concept of justice and proportionality....

IF the Military Industrial Complex of the United States of America was concerned with anything other than increasing their personal wealth and power then the idea that you couldn't convince them of much might stand a chance. The sad fact is that money that could be spent helping Americans devastated by hurricanes floods fires and failing infrastructure is instead funnelled into the pockets of the this MIC while being filtered through the pockets of multi-millionaire war profiteers. Education and health care in the United States are way way waaaaay down the list of priorities for the gangster administration that sits in office today and the one waiting in the wings to sink their teeth into the golden calf of taxpayer's money while the rubes in the streets whipped into a frenzy of "patriotic duty" are told that "Well gosh ya know...we would have had to invade Iraq eventually anyway...to counter the Islamofascists and preserve "freedom"...but yes perhaps the 'timing' was a little off.." "Rest assured that your taxpayer dollars spent to bail out Bear Stearns and the filthy-rich who have suffered so greatly during these trying times....need your support." "And they need your support in fighting the Axis'o"Evil that threatens our great Republic."

America is when all is said and done, a nation of sheep easily led to slaughter by the wealthy who steal from them and the corporations who erect fantasies in their minds that Americans are living the "American Dream" right up to the point where their homes are foreclosed-on. Exxon Mobil and the petroleum Mafia extract their futures at the gas pumps and two Gumby Wannabes are the choices presented for election in lieu of "Blood'N'Guts McCain.....

Americans will believe anything these con-men in Congress and the Senate tell them...hell to do otherwise to the noble representatives who they elected would be unthinkable....

There are many in congress who would love to turn back the clock, as they now realize
that going into iraq was a 'blunder', so i will say again, that bush and cheney would have
one hell of a time convincing them to give them the green light again.
You said everything very well, and I agree with most of it, but I don't believe they
would sign on to another war, (unless of course they were tricked into it by some sort
of trumped up attack on the u.s.), and bush is so weak right now, his popularity very
very low, even among many republicans, I would have to see it happen to believe it,
and if it did happen it would prove to me that, even though they seem to be, (at
the moment) the most powerful country, they would also prove that they were the
most stupid.
If McCain is elected in november, then I will believe they are on their way to another
war, especially if the senate/congress are republican, but all of that, in my opinion is
very unlikely.
 
Toro
#19
Oops! Misread.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#20
gasmask underwear rubber boots fishhooks firstaid kit water (glass bottles) nylon stockings (trade goods) nine inch nails cannibis seeds ammonition (large) fuel stabilizer bibles (good rolling paper) compressed air chocolate 200lbs fishing line jackknife rubber repair kit movies (cds) If we have a nuclear er ah incident I am prepared since I had the duck roll and cover drill in 62, that's all you really need to know to survive. haha yeah not kaboom and what will the history books say I wonder? That in our quest for freedom and the protection of our values (whatever the hell those are) we had to have a holy nuclear holocaust to clear the earth of evil-doers. I hope we don't swallow that **** again, but if the same stupid pricks are still running the old ball we will hear all the old stories again and again and again.
 

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