Osama bin Laden is dead.


PoliticalNick
#91
Quote: Originally Posted by karrie View Post

I was under the impression (admittedly might be a mistaken impression) that publishing pictures of specific dead enemies was not considered 'legal' while at war.

I think you would have noticed by their actions over the last 10 years that the US does not care about the legality of war or even the treatment of it's own citizens, why would publishing a picture (fake or real) bother them now?

Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

The view from one very much dealing with reality.....an excellent piece, btw.

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It is to the credit of the Obama administration and my colleagues in the CIAís counterterrorism centre (CTC) that despite Pakistanís duplicity, they were able to locate and kill him. And kill him they did. This is how you fight a war with transnational terrorist entities. You find them and you kill them. Itís that plain and simple. Israel for its part, has been roundly criticized by the same people who are cheering in the streets as the U.S. celebrates what critics of Israelís methods term, ďunilateral extra-judicial assassinations.Ē This is how it should be for terrorists with blood on their hands and the desire and intent to do so again. Despite the stigma of carrying out this kind of operation, the U.S. did what was right.

My emphasis

Michael Ross: Obama strikes a blow against duplicity in Pakistan | Full Comment | National Post

So from this Colpy if a group supported, aided and funded by a muslim nation takes out Obama for invading muslim countries then it is quite alright by you because they view the US govt as international terrorists against them.
 
karrie
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#92
Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNick View Post

I think you would have noticed by their actions over the last 10 years that the US does not care about the legality of war or even the treatment of it's own citizens, why would publishing a picture (fake or real) bother them now?

It's interesting that you managed to slander the US without actually addressing the question or providing incidents of when they have published the photos of named dead enemies.
 
Colpy
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#93
Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNick View Post

I think you would have noticed by their actions over the last 10 years that the US does not care about the legality of war or even the treatment of it's own citizens, why would publishing a picture (fake or real) bother them now?



So from this Colpy if a group supported, aided and funded by a muslim nation takes out Obama for invading muslim countries then it is quite alright by you because they view the US govt as international terrorists against them.

I don't play the idiot relativist game.

I actually know which side I'm on, and which side is defending the greatest civilization that ever existed on earth, that has made its people rich and free.......

Yep, I'm a little chauvinistic when that civilization is pitted against a group of nutcases from a civilization that has actually backslid since the year 1400, especially when that evil is growing.........and carried the war to us.

If you want to spend your time playing apologist for people that would make your wife and daughters wear a tent in public, that have no concept of freedom of thought, well......feel free.

That is the society you live in.

Lucky you.
 
JLM
#94
Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_Soldier View Post

I just saw him at Costco in Kamloops.

Him or the twin brother?

Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

DNA can be faked, it's an unreliable method, junk science really. They would hardly announce the results if they were negative in any case. The mans been dead for a decade already. Will Hitler be discovered living in an English boarding house next week?

If he is he'll be about 122 years old!
 
PoliticalNick
#95
Quote: Originally Posted by karrie View Post

It's interesting that you managed to slander the US without actually addressing the question or providing incidents of when they have published the photos of named dead enemies.

You call it slander, I call it exposing them for the truth of what they are.
I do not know of any published photo's or video of dead enemies but I think there was stuff released of Saddam ( I could be wrong about that). From what I understand if you ask any officials regarding adherence to the Geneva Conventions regarding war the standard response it that we, nor the US, is in a war right now and so the GC's have no force and effect. It is a defensive police action without any declaration of war on any front therefore they are not bound to act in accordance with any rules of engagement or anything set down in the GC's.

Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

I don't play the idiot relativist game.

Yeah you were the kid at road hockey that when losing the game simply declared 'it's my ball and my net and I'm taking them home...I win' or made up silly rules like you could score form anywhere but your opponent could only score from their side of center. You want one set of rules to benefit you for you and another set to benefit you against them. What's good for the goose....

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I actually know which side I'm on, and which side is defending the greatest civilization that ever existed on earth, that has made its people rich and free.......

Would that be Roman, Egyptian, Persian, one of the Chinese dynasties, the colonial British empire or one of the many others that existed 5-10 times longer than the US has been around? I am on the side of humanity not some geo-political entity and don't believe bombing and killing and invasion is any way to promote peace in the world. You babble about freedom while allowing the govt to remove your freedoms and supporting the oppression of entire peoples around the world in order to exploit their natural resources, pretty hypocritical.
 
mt_pockets1000
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#96
"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr

Surely we can rise above the gloating and the chest thumping. Let's leave that for the crazy fundamentalists on both sides. If this story is true, and I'm not 100% sure that it is, then we can find comfort in the fact he won't be a threat anymore and leave it at that.

Next up Khadafi I suppose. Sounds like an overblown episode of Mantracker fer chriiisssake! 10 years to find Bin Laden. Gimme a break!! Mantracker would have found him in the one hour slotted time.

Just curious, how did Bin Laden manage to build a huge house complete with beefed up security system right on the outskirts of Islamabad without raising some suspicion among the locals?
 
JLM
#97
I want to make sure I understand you Nick................You are saying that OBL is still alive? Can you provide the link?
 
MHz
#98
More like a false flag operation.
Fake Picture Used As Osama Bin Laden Was On A Forum In 2010! (Pics) :
 
PoliticalNick
#99
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

I want to make sure I understand you Nick................You are saying that OBL is still alive? Can you provide the link?

You obviously misunderstand so I will try to clarify.

I do not know 100% for sure if he is dead or alive, I doubt we will ever have any hard evidence since his body was disposed of, and I really don't care. He has/had become a marginalized, ineffective leader of a phantom group of groups so even if he is dead it will change nothing for the good and only heighten the ability of the radicals to recruit more people to their cause.

What I do disagree with wholeheartedly is the celebration of his death and proposed degradation of his corpse by those that hold themselves so high above him morally yet sink beneath his level. Anyone with any humanity and honor does not celebrate the death of a fallen foe but mourns the loss of any life.
 
JLM
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#100
Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNick View Post

You obviously misunderstand so I will try to clarify.

I do not know 100% for sure if he is dead or alive, I doubt we will ever have any hard evidence since his body was disposed of, and I really don't care. He has/had become a marginalized, ineffective leader of a phantom group of groups so even if he is dead it will change nothing for the good and only heighten the ability of the radicals to recruit more people to their cause.

What I do disagree with wholeheartedly is the celebration of his death and proposed degradation of his corpse by those that hold themselves so high above him morally yet sink beneath his level. Anyone with any humanity and honor does not celebrate the death of a fallen foe but mourns the loss of any life.

While you have a perfect right to that OPINION, the relatives of the 2800 dead, may have a different opinion which I'd be more inclined to respect. Personally I don't put him in the same class of warrior as someone like Napolean or Alexander the Great.
 
Just the Facts
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#101
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one View Post

Something smells extremely fishy here.

Yeah, OBL right about now.
 
PoliticalNick
#102
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

While you have a perfect right to that OPINION, the relatives of the 2800 dead, may have a different opinion which I'd be more inclined to respect. Personally I don't put him in the same class of warrior as someone like Napolean or Alexander the Great.

According to everything we keep being told he fought for his cause and against what he saw as injustice with the means he had available. Napolean and Alexander were colonial imperialists bent on global domination (kind of like the US) so they would be in a different category.
 
JLM
#103
Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNick View Post

According to everything we keep being told he fought for his cause and against what he saw as injustice with the means he had available. Napolean and Alexander were colonial imperialists bent on global domination (kind of like the US) so they would be in a different category.

Yeah, it's quite noble to fight against injustice by killing 2800 innocent people!
 
MHz
#104
You aren't counting any servicemen, the number is somewhat higher now.
 
PoliticalNick
#105
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Yeah, it's quite noble to fight against injustice by killing 2800 innocent people!

As opposed to the millions the US have killed in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Lybia and various other places. Holding 2800 lives above all the rest because it happened in america is BS. If the adage about reaping what you sow was really true there would be a whole lot more dead yankees right now.
 
Just the Facts
#106
Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNick View Post

Are you really so caught up in celebrating death and the degradation of a corpse that you fail to realize how much of a catalyst this will be in the radical and fundemental muslim population? You just keep on proving yourself as without honor or intelligence don't you?

Exactly!! And the radical and fundemental muslim population had just come out of a meeting where they had voted unanimously to put down thier warrior ways and negotiate a fair and lasting peace with the west.

Snap! We blew it!
 
Durry
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#107
Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNick View Post

As opposed to the millions the US have killed in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Lybia and various other places. Holding 2800 lives above all the rest because it happened in america is BS. If the adage about reaping what you sow was really true there would be a whole lot more dead yankees right now.

Your sure are lucky the US is around for you to make silly statements freely !!

Quote: Originally Posted by Just the Facts View Post

Exactly!! And the radical and fundemental muslim population had just come out of a meeting where they had voted unanimously to put down thier warrior ways and negotiate a fair and lasting peace with the west.
!

Yeah, it's just too bad their definition of fair is different than ours.
We should use their definition, in their countries, we respect their laws and customs.
Now all we have to add is, the same difinition applies to our country which also includes customs.
 
PoliticalNick
#108
Quote: Originally Posted by Durry View Post

Your sure are lucky the US is around for you to make silly statements freely !!

You're a complete f*cking idiot if you think that our freedoms in Canada are somehow granted by the US. We are one of the most respected nations in the world based on our own merits. I can still travel almost anywhere in the world without fear just with the proof I am Canadian. If you love the US so much the border is south of here, go cross it.
 
Durry
#109
Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNick View Post

You're a complete f*cking idiot if you think that our freedoms in Canada are somehow granted by the US. We are one of the most respected nations in the world based on our own merits. I can still travel almost anywhere in the world without fear just with the proof I am Canadian. If you love the US so much the border is south of here, go cross it.

Here you go again, using your freedom and making stupid statements.

Canada could never defend itself, even against a regime as Alquada!
 
Just the Facts
#110
Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNick View Post

So from this Colpy if a group supported, aided and funded by a muslim nation takes out Obama

You can't honestly believe they're not trying to do just that. If they get a chance Obama's a goner. In the meantime, any American, any Westerner, will do.
 
PoliticalNick
#111
Quote: Originally Posted by Durry View Post

Here you go again, using your freedom and making stupid statements.

Canada could never defend itself, even against a regime as Alquada!

We have a pretty good military considering our population and could defend ourselves if necessary, the greatest part of Canda though is that we don't need to defend ourselves as we don't make any enemies. I can count the number of nations that are against Canada on less than 1 finger.

Like I said, head south from here and go join your war-mongering, imperialistic idols. Canada will be that much greater without the likes of you.
 
YukonJack
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#112
Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNick View Post

As opposed to the millions the US have killed in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Lybia and various other places. Holding 2800 lives above all the rest because it happened in america is BS. If the adage about reaping what you sow was really true there would be a whole lot more dead yankees right now.

I don't think I would be too far off the mark if I made the assumption that you are a young and idealistic socialist and a great admirer of Mao, Che, Ahmedinejad and Stalin.

Take solace and comfort in the knowledge that that soft spot on the top of your head eventually will be hard, at which time you will realize that the millions that the above-mentioned worthies murdered are no more or less dead and deserving sympathy than the thousands that Americans are responsible for.

And at that time you may be able answer, with a modicum of honesty who would you rather have as a neighbour: China, Iran and Russia or America.
 
Durry
#113
Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNick View Post

We have a pretty good military considering our population and could defend ourselves if necessary, the greatest part of Canda though is that we don't need to defend ourselves as we don't make any enemies. I can count the number of nations that are against Canada on less than 1 finger.

Like I said, head south from here and go join your war-mongering, imperialistic idols. Canada will be that much greater without the likes of you.

Man, are you naive or what??
Canada, defend itself???? Ha!!!
Oh yeah, we are just such nice Teddy bears eh!!!! People would be nice to you too if you had a Big Guy following you around all the time.

I think your a bit of a dumbo ....eh??
 
Icarus27k
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#114
Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNick View Post

As opposed to the millions the US have killed in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Lybia and various other places. Holding 2800 lives above all the rest because it happened in america is BS. If the adage about reaping what you sow was really true there would be a whole lot more dead yankees right now.

Right, guy. I'm all for criticizing the U.S. for launching wars and killing people, but you're kind of changing the subject. The post you are responding to is a criticism of you praising bin Laden. Despite all the bluster in the last day or so about bin Laden being killed, I don't think many people are actually being praiseworthy of the U.S. in the way you were being praiseworthy of bin Laden, so drawing some kind of equivalency didn't make sense in the context.
 
PoliticalNick
#115
Quote: Originally Posted by YukonJack View Post

I don't think I would be too far off the mark if I made the assumption that you are a young and idealistic socialist and a great admirer of Mao, Che, Ahmedinejad and Stalin.

Wrong....I am late-forties and hold none of those as idols. I have seen the horrors and atrocities of war up-close and personal during my time in Bosnia and am far more libertarian than socialist. Go ahead and try to pigeonhole anyone with a different opinion if you like but mine is derived from much life experience, education and traveling around the planet getting to know different cultures and peoples.

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Take solace and comfort in the knowledge that that soft spot on the top of your head eventually will be hard, at which time you will realize that the millions that the above-mentioned worthies murdered are no more or less dead and deserving sympathy than the thousands that Americans are responsible for.

Soft spot...LOL, yours has obviously re-formed in your old age. Many atrocities commited by many people in order to gain power and conquest over others not the least of which is the US.

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And at that time you may be able answer, with a modicum of honesty who would you rather have as a neighbour: China, Iran and Russia or America.

Nut-jobs, power-hungry leaders and radicals in all of them. I live my life as I live it without any regard for who my neighbor may be and will not compromise my morals for any of them.

Quote: Originally Posted by Icarus27k View Post

Right, guy. I'm all for criticizing the U.S. for launching wars and killing people, but you're kind of changing the subject. The post you are responding to is a criticism of you praising bin Laden. Despite all the bluster in the last day or so about bin Laden being killed, I don't think many people are actually being praiseworthy of the U.S. in the way you were being praiseworthy of bin Laden, so drawing some kind of equivalency didn't make sense in the context.

You seem to misunderstand, I do not praise OBL just as I do not praise the US. He would certainly have garnered much more global support if he took the route of Ghandi and used peaceful resistance.

I think it is the height of hypocrisy to condemn him for what he believes is defending himself and his people against imperialistic forces while commiting mass murders in the name of imperialistic democracy. Lets be real here, US foriegn policy based upon global domination and installing their brand of democracy on the entire planet is the root cause of 9/11. If the US had returned to its isolationist ways after WW2 9/11 would have never happened.
 
Durry
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#116
I think PN belongs in Layton's camp,,,,,,,in the bush,,,,,,,deep in the bush !!
 
earth_as_one
#117
Quote: Originally Posted by Durry View Post

Man, are you naive or what??
Canada, defend itself???? Ha!!!
Oh yeah, we are just such nice Teddy bears eh!!!! People would be nice to you too if you had a Big Guy following you around all the time.

I think your a bit of a dumbo ....eh??

Not even after we spend $60 Billion plus on stealth fighters? Then what's the point buying them? I'd have thought $65B would buy us some ability to defend ourselves...
 
Icarus27k
#118
Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNick View Post

You seem to misunderstand, I do not praise OBL just as I do not praise the US. He would certainly have garnered much more global support if he took the route of Ghandi and used peaceful resistance.

I think it is the height of hypocrisy to condemn him for what he believes is defending himself and his people against imperialistic forces while commiting mass murders in the name of imperialistic democracy. Lets be real here, US foriegn policy based upon global domination and installing their brand of democracy on the entire planet is the root cause of 9/11. If the US had returned to its isolationist ways after WW2 9/11 would have never happened.


I stand corrected then. You didn't praise OBL.

If OBL actually was just defending himself and his people in a legitimate fashion, I'd agree with you. But, of course, OBL wasn't doing that. He was, you know, ordering bombings of U.S. embassies and hijackings of commercial airliners.
 
PoliticalNick
#119
Quote: Originally Posted by Durry View Post

I think PN belongs in Layton's camp,,,,,,,in the bush,,,,,,,deep in the bush !!

And I think you belong in Bush's camp...deep in the south.
 
Durry
#120
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one View Post

Not even after we spend $60 Billion plus on stealth fighters? Then what's the point buying them? I'd have thought $65B would buy us some ability to defend ourselves...

Well you have to carry your weight as well. If they help you, you have to help them in return.

Strange that you don't understand some of these simple principles of cooperation. Well, maybe your an immigrant from a third world country who expects everybody to bend over backwards for you and you offer nothing in return,,,,eh!!
 

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