Russia and Venezuela to conduct joint naval exercises in Caribbean


Praxius
#1
Move comes after U.S. naval deployment in Black Sea
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/0...venezuela.html

Quote:

Russia will send a naval squadron and long-range patrol planes to Venezuela this year for a joint military exercise in the Caribbean, said Russian officials Monday in an announcement made at a time of steadily deteriorating relations with the United States.

Russia's move follows the U.S. deployment of warships to deliver aid to the former Soviet nation of Georgia, barely a month after Russian armour and aircraft crushed the Georgian military in a five-day war.

Russia's decision to send the squadron and planes to Venezuela was made before the war with Georgia, Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Andrei Nesterenko said Monday.

"This deployment had been planned in advance, and it's unrelated to the current political situation and the developments in the Caucasus," Nesterenko said at a briefing.

But the announcement was made just a week after Prime Minister Vladimir Putin warned that Russia would mount an unspecified response to recent U.S. aid shipments to Georgia.

The Interfax news agency quoted Vyacheslav Nikonov, a pro-Kremlin political analyst, as saying that the Russian cruise to Venezuela was a response to the deployment of U.S. navy ships to Georgia's Black Sea coast.

"That shows that Moscow won't leave such challenges unanswered," Nikonov was quoted by Interfax as saying.

The Peter the Great missile cruiser and three other Russian navy ships would visit Venezuela in November, and would be joined by a unit of long-range anti-submarine patrol aircraft, said Nesterenko.

He did not say how many planes would be sent, but said they would be "temporarily based at one of Venezuela's air bases."

The joint exercise would not be directed against any third country, said Nesterenko.
U.S. ships may deliver weapons to Georgia, says Russia

Past U.S. military assistance for Georgia had encouraged the Caucasus country to launch its offensive in South Ossetia, said Russian officials, arguing that the new shipments could be a cover for weapons deliveries.

U.S. officials have dismissed those accusations, saying the ships are carrying only humanitarian supplies such as blankets and powdered milk.

Putin last week warned that Russia would respond to the U.S. aid shipments to Georgia, but he did not say how.

"We don't understand what American ships are doing on the Georgian shores, but this is a question of taste, it's a decision by our American colleagues," Putin said.

"The second question is why the humanitarian aid is being delivered on naval vessels armed with the newest rocket systems."

Russia's reaction to the U.S. deployment to the Black Sea "will be calm, without any sort of hysteria," Putin said.

"But of course, there will be an answer."
'Go ahead and squeal': Chavez to U.S.


Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, an unbridled critic of American foreign policy, was specific and blunt Sunday night about the possibility the U.S. might be concerned about the exercises.

"Go ahead and squeal, Yankees," Chavez said in a national broadcast in which he announced the exercises.

The Russian vessels would call on Venezuelan ports in late November or December, said Chavez.

The Venezuelan leader, who has cultivated close ties with Moscow and placed big orders for Russian jets, helicopters and other weapons, has repeatedly warned that the U.S. navy poses a threat to Venezuela.

Diplomatic relations between Caracas and Washington have been tense for years. U.S. officials have said Chavez poses a threat to democracy, and Chavez has emerged as Latin America's most outspoken critic of U.S. foreign policy.

Big deal or not?
 
Colpy
#2
Quote: Originally Posted by Praxius View Post

Move comes after U.S. naval deployment in Black Sea
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/0...venezuela.html



Big deal or not?

Not really......although perhaps the Russians should now STFU about the USA in their old "sphere of influence".

It is really a shame we're going back to the Cold War.........but there it is......
 
lone wolf
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Not really......although perhaps the Russians should now STFU about the USA in their old "sphere of influence".

It is really a shame we're going back to the Cold War.........but there it is......

Was Central and South America under United States or United Fruit's "sphere of influence"?
 
Colpy
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf View Post

Was Central and South America under United States or United Fruit's "sphere of influence"?

Same difference.....
 
Praxius
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

It is really a shame we're going back to the Cold War.........but there it is......

That'll certainly help McCain.
 
gerryh
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Not really......although perhaps the Russians should now STFU about the USA in their old "sphere of influence".

It is really a shame we're going back to the Cold War.........but there it is......


SO let me get this straight...the mighty u.s. is allowed to poach in Russia's backyard but Russia isn't allowed to return in kind?
 
EagleSmack
#7
Not a big deal. I hope they enjoy the Caribbean!
 
EagleSmack
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

SO let me get this straight...the mighty u.s. is allowed to poach in Russia's backyard but Russia isn't allowed to return in kind?

He did not say that. But now that they are here in the Caribbean they should stop whining about US ships in the Black Sea.

Welcome back to the Carribean my Soviet buds!
 
lone wolf
#9
Wonder what it is about old adversaries swimming in the same pools that bothers people?
 
Praxius
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf View Post

Wonder what it is about old adversaries swimming in the same pools that bothers people?

When they both pee in the pool, their urine turns into a strong acid base liquid that burns everybody around them.
 
EagleSmack
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf View Post

Wonder what it is about old adversaries swimming in the same pools that bothers people?

It makes a great story...that is all. The Ruskies are free to cruise the seas as they see fit. They can play with the Venezuelan frigates and gun boats all they like.

Hey...maybe Canada can play with them. THAT would make so many people happy in this forum for sure!
 
lone wolf
#12
Yeah ... Canada is good at getting along with the other kids....
 
EagleSmack
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf View Post

Yeah ... Canada is good at getting along with the other kids....

The "other" kids. Well said!
 
Ron in Regina
#14
I didn't see this coming, but it makes sense (from the Russian perspective) to put things
in check...tit for tat...and Venezuela happens to be in OPEC which'll earn Russia some
points on certain fronts. Hugo has no love for America (but loves those U.S. dollars) so
this is a potential backplay when you factor in the relationship between Chavez and the
Castro's. Cuba lost much love for Russia when they came apart (and the $$$ stopped
flowing) but this could open up that door again. The Cuban embargo still being in place
by the U.S. won't help things. Venezuela is tight with Cuba, and Cuba is tight with China.
The U.S. tends to walk softly so as not to wake up China. This is a very tangled web...
 
EagleSmack
#15
It is one Russian Battleship in the Carribean. It isn't a big deal.
 
Ron in Regina
#16
This is a very tangled web...that ties Russia to China via the Caribbean...that ties Russia
and China to OPEC via Venezuela. Was Georgia worth opening this can of worms???
 
EagleSmack
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

This is a very tangled web...that ties Russia to China via the Caribbean...that ties Russia
and China to OPEC via Venezuela. Was Georgia worth opening this can of worms???

As I said... it is ONE Russian warship. I know you may be hoping for us to be all afraid and concerned...but we aren't. Sorry to dissapoint.
 
Ron in Regina
#18
Like Chess, I'm trying to picture three moves ahead. One ship?

"The Peter the Great missile cruiser and three other Russian navy ships would visit
Venezuela in November, and would be joined by a unit of long-range anti-submarine
patrol aircraft , said Nesterenko."

"He did not say how many planes would be sent, but said they would be "temporarily based
at one of Venezuela's air bases." "

I'm not doing the doom&gloom thing, I'm just saying it's an interesting Chess move, and that Russia has hit
the timer on the clock, and the next move is the USA's.
 
Ron in Regina
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

As I said... it is ONE Russian warship. I know you may be hoping for us to be all afraid and concerned...but we aren't. Sorry to dissapoint.

Concern and fear are two very different things. Conquering a fear is admirable. Ignoring a concern is
just plain stupid. I'm not saying you are stupid, nor am I saying that the powers that be are either,
but to not look ahead and being aware of your environment isn't a wise path. You may not be afraid and
"good on you" for it, but I'm sure that military advisors globally are dissecting this move and are concerned.

FYI I'm probably at least as Right leaning as you are, if not more so on several issues.
 
EagleSmack
#20
The Ruskies are back on the block and that is for sure. They have a lot of money nowadays and are flexing their muscle. I wonder how the people of Venezuela will feel about becoming the newest Russian satelite country.
 
Praxius
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

As I said... it is ONE Russian warship. I know you may be hoping for us to be all afraid and concerned...but we aren't. Sorry to dissapoint.

Wait a second.... wern't you the one back on the Georgia threads telling us we should be worried that Russian aircraft zinged near our airspace and that we should be more worried about them... but now you're not worried about a warship zinging near you guys?

Or was that someone else? (My memory is hazy at present)
 
Praxius
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

The Ruskies are back on the block and that is for sure. They have a lot of money nowadays and are flexing their muscle. I wonder how the people of Venezuela will feel about becoming the newest Russian satelite country.

Probably won't care much, so long as it's not forced on them like some other examples in the recent past.
 
EagleSmack
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by Praxius View Post

Wait a second.... wern't you the one back on the Georgia threads telling us we should be worried that Russian aircraft zinged near our airspace and that we should be more worried about them... but now you're not worried about a warship zinging near you guys?

Or was that someone else? (My memory is hazy at present)

I said that because someone insinuated that we should be worried about the Ruskies flying over our carriers. They always have done that and are starting up again. I was merely pointing out that as much as Canada wants to be loved and feel like everyone thinks they are just swell, well they aren't. The Russians are testing everyone again...that includes Canada.
 
Praxius
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

I said that because someone insinuated that we should be worried about the Ruskies flying over our carriers. They always have done that and are starting up again. I was merely pointing out that as much as Canada wants to be loved and feel like everyone thinks they are just swell, well they aren't. The Russians are testing everyone again...that includes Canada.

Ok, just checking.

But I know we're not loved by everybody in the world.... I mean, geez, we ain't perfect.... close to it, which is why the majority of the world likes us, but some still don't.... I don't know why. Must be our attitudes or something
 
darkbeaver
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

I said that because someone insinuated that we should be worried about the Ruskies flying over our carriers. They always have done that and are starting up again. I was merely pointing out that as much as Canada wants to be loved and feel like everyone thinks they are just swell, well they aren't. The Russians are testing everyone again...that includes Canada.

Jeesus Smack are you livin in Santas workshop or what? The Russians aren't testing anyone they already know how uncle sam works everybody on the goddamn planet knows you can't be trusted and your business partners usually get smoked rolled and ditched. What possible test could be conducted that would disprove that? Remember we have your movies we know how to hide among you we have infiltrated every important piece of your infrastructure and planted atomic turnips and cluster tomatoes and spring peas that release the, I shouldn't say anymore, I'm being monitored for quality.
 
darkbeaver
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by Praxius View Post

Ok, just checking.

But I know we're not loved by everybody in the world.... I mean, geez, we ain't perfect.... close to it, which is why the majority of the world likes us, but some still don't.... I don't know why. Must be our attitudes or something

We better get our storys straight though in case the Ruskies and the Chicoms start askin questions when they get here. I'm going to say the yankees made me do it. I'm sure that's the right answer.
 
lone wolf
#27
Carribean is a great place to work those abs.... You go guyz....
 
darkbeaver
#28
Russia and Venezuela to conduct joint rolling exercises in Caribbean
 
Unforgiven
#29
Good God Russian has gone from Super Power to Welfare State to middle child starved for attention!
 
Albertabound
#30
Good for the Russians. I applaude them, for it was the Americans that told the Russians that you can not just go and invade and occupy another country. Ahh am I the only one that sees the irony in this. Do as i say not as i do. Condelliza .....take a look in your own back yard before telling someone else that there grass needs cutting.
 

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