Tesla to cut thousands of jobs as Elon Musk warns the ‘road ahead is very difficult’


Hoid
#511
It's like talking to a couple of fence posts.
 
MHz
+1
#512
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

19 times = 9.5hrs charging. Somehow that doesn't fit the timeline at their 58mph average.
Somebody is full of shit.
2811 miles taking 19 charges is 147.94 mile per charge.


19 full charges would take how many hours using the data below. Let alone having to plan your trip to hit the charging stations and have to stop before the max range has been reached.



https://mechanicbase.com/electric/ho...harge-a-tesla/
Charging various Tesla models

In a charging station, you get to charge a maximum of 120 kW per car and this will take around 20 minutes to charge to 50% and one hour and a half to take the charge to 100%
The Tesla version you have and the battery in place will determine the charging system for Tesla. For instance, the Tesla version comes in either a standard 60kWh battery, lithium-ion battery or 85 kWh unit. In some instances, you will find the model S having one or more onboard chargers and this will influence the charging time.
If you have the standard 60 kWh battery you get a range of 232 miles while the more powerful 85 kWh provides 300 miles. The battery while powerful comes for an extra $10,000. Using a 110 volt and at a rate of 5 miles for every hour of charge you should get to 300-mile charge at 52 hours. If you want to charge for shorter periods then use the 240-volt socket which gives 31 miles for an hour of charging. Charging for 300 miles will cost you 9.5 hours.
To charge your Tesla model fast then get twin chargers in the car and connect them to a wall mounted 90 amp, 240 volts wall connector. This will increase the charging time to 62 miles per hour and for 300 miles will take you 4 hours and 45 minutes. It is this system that enables Model S owners to charge faster than the rest.
In most of the public electric charging stations, you should do this at a rate of 22 miles per hour. If you have a Model S that is configured for supercharging you can charge for 300 miles for an hour. This is due to the 480 volts at 120 kWh delivered at Tesla Supercharger stations.



Decades after the last official Cannonball in 1979, issues raised and revival possibilities interested some motorists. Yates recalled declining offers to revive the concept because it was unworkable. His reasons included: increased police activity, increased legal liabilities for any organizer, increased year-round traffic, and expanding urban areas. He also warned of the obvious dangers of a race on public roads.[31]
The Gumball 3000 gained publicity in the early 2000s as a similar event, sometimes held on coast-to-coast U.S. routes, but paced over a route several times as long and with no time-based winner. Alex Roy and David Maher set a new record of 31 hours 4 minutes in October 2006.[13] [14] The upcoming documentary Apex: The Secret Race Across America documents the 1983 and 2006 record-setting runs.[16]
While not a coast-to-coast event, The Bandit Run is a similar road marathon held yearly since 2007 when it marked the 30th anniversary of the film Smokey and the Bandit (produced by Hal Needham and starring Burt Reynolds,[32] who would both make the first Cannonball Run film four years later).[25]
Ed Bolian, co-driver Dave Black, and Dan Huang drove the 2,813.7-mile (4,528.2 km) route from the Red Ball Garage to the Portofino Hotel in 28 hours 50 minutes October 19–20, 2013, averaging 98 mph (158 km/h), including the 15 minutes it took to get out of Manhattan in a 2004 Mercedes-Benz CL55 AMG. The drivers stopped three times for fuel. The car was equipped with two specially installed 22-U.S.-gallon (83 L) auxiliary fuel tanks in addition to its standard 23-U.S.-gallon (87 L) tank, a total of 67 U.S. gallons (250 L). As proof, Bolian presented the complete GPS logs, recorded by GeoForce, a global field-equipment-tracking company he hired to track his car.[33]
Motorcycle Cannonball Records

Motorcycle between New York and Los Angeles 1917 to Present:
  1. Alan T Bedell drove a Henderson 4 cylinder motorcycle from LA to NYC in 7 days, 16 hours, and 16 minutes on June 13, 1917.[34]
  2. Erwin "Cannonball" Baker drove his Ace motorcycle from LA to NYC in 6 days, 22 hours, 52 minutes in 1922.[35]
  3. Wells Bennet rode an Excelsior/Henderson in 1922 to cross NYC to LA in 6 days, 16 hours, 13 minutes.[36]
  4. Earl Robinson in 1935 did the run in 3 days, 6 hours, 53 minutes.[37]
  5. Rody Rodenberg set his record of 71 hours 20 minutes during June 17–20, 1936, on a 1936 Indian Scout. This was disputed by Dot Robinson.[38]
  6. John Penton (of Penton racing fame) set a time of 52 hours 11 minutes for the solo LA-to-NYC motorcycle run in 1959. The trek was made on a BMW R69S.[39]
  7. Tibor Sarossy, at the time a college student, set a record in 1968 of 45 hours 41 minutes. Tibor used a homemade fuel cell made of jerry cans, which allowed for a reported four fuel stops. He also claims he never slept, although he did pass out from a diet of Hershey Bars and coffee at a produce inspection station in California. He averaged 58.7 mph on a BMW R69S.[40]
  8. Fred Boyajian set a new time of 42 hours 6 minutes on October 11, 1969. Fred used a beer keg to provide extra fuel. Evidence was Western Union telegrams at New York City and Los Angeles.[ citation needed ]
  9. George Egloff in 1983 set the record of 42 hours, recorded by witnesses participating in the event.[ citation needed ]
  10. Carl Reese left from West Valley Cycle Sales BMW Dealership in Winnetka, California, at 3:15 a.m. PST on August 28, 2015. Reese arrived at BMW Motorrad dealership in Manhattan, New York City, at 9:04 p.m. EST the next day, traveling 2,829 miles in 38 hours 49 minutes on a K1600GT BMW motorcycle. The trip was documented by notaries at both start and finish.[41]
  11. Adam Frasca posted a time of 37 hours and 7 minutes. Frasca departed Manhattan, NYC at 12:03 AM EDT Tuesday, April 9, 2019 and arrived Redondo Beach, LA at 10:10 AM PDT.[42]
  12. Calvin Cote completed the run in a time of 35 hours 6 minutes, departing the Portofino Hotel and Marina ar 3:00 AM PDT April 20, 2019 and arriving at the Red Ball Garage at 5:06 PM EDT April 21, 2019. The 2,772 mile run was completed on a 2012 BMW K1600 GTL equipped with a 15 gallon auxiliary fuel tank, radar detector, and radar/lidar absorbing paint.[43] [44]
New era and electric vehicle records

In 1968 the Great Transcontinental Electric Car Race was held between student groups at Caltech and MIT.[45] [46] The Caltech team, led by EV pioneer Wally Rippel, converted a 1958 VW Microbus powered by Ni–Cad batteries. The MIT team converted a 1968 Chevrolet Corvair powered by lead cobalt batteries. The MIT team raced from Cambridge, Massachusetts, to Pasadena, California, while the Caltech team raced the opposite direction. A network of 54 charging locations was set up along the 3,311-mile route, spaced 21 to 95 miles apart.[47] The race began on August 26, 1968, and ended on September 4. Although the MIT team reached Pasadena first, they were towed part of the way. After assessing penalty points, Caltech was declared the winner with a corrected time of 210 hours 3 minutes.[48]
With the introduction of long-range EVs, such as the Tesla Roadster (200 and, in particular, the Tesla Model S, coast-to-coast travel became more feasible. In January 2014, Tesla Motors completed the first coast-to-coast corridor in their supercharging network for the Model S. A team from Tesla Motors completed a 3,427-mile route from Los Angeles to New York City run in 76 hours, 5 minutes. (Time included 60 hours, 8 minutes driving, and 15 hours, 57 minutes charging.)[49] In July 2014, a team from Edmunds completed a slightly shorter 3,331.9-mile route in 67 hours, 21 minutes. (Time included 52 hours, 41 minutes driving, and 14 hours, with 40 minutes charging.)[50] The initial cross-country supercharging route was sub-optimal for New York–Los Angeles runs, notably due to the link between Denver and Chicago running through South Dakota, Minnesota, and Wisconsin along Interstate 90.
Carl J. Reese and co-drivers Rodney Hawk and Deena Mastracci took advantage of a newly opened corridor on Interstate 70 to drive the 3,011-mile route from the City Hall in Los Angeles to the City Hall in New York City in 58 hours and 55 minutes during April 16–19, 2015, a new record for EVs in a 2015 Tesla Model S P85D. The drivers stopped 24 times for electric charging, with a total charge time of 12 hours 48 minutes. As proof, Reese presented 16 documents notarized on both ends, identifying drivers and three eyewitnesses: Matt Nordenstrom, Johnnie Oberg Jr., and Anthony Alvarado. Complete GPS logs recorded by GPSInsight (a fleet tracking company) were sent to Jalopnik, Guinness Book of World Records. GPSInsight provided GPS tracking equipment to the team to verify the event. Reese's team of three drivers broke Tesla Motors' (team of 15 drivers) previous record of 76 hours 5 minutes and Edmunds.com's (team of two drivers) previous record of 67 hours 21 minutes.[51]
On October 18–21, 2015, Deena Mastracci and Reese were joined by Alex Roy. They beat Mastracci and Reese's prior record of 58 hours, 48 minutes for an LA–NYC run in an electric vehicle with a total time of 57 hours, 48 minutes.[52]
On August 24–27, 2016, the LA–NYC record was broken again by a team comprising Alex Roy, Righthook CEO Warren Ahner, and StreetWars founder Franz Aliquo, who completed the run in 55 hours flat in a 2016 Tesla Model S 90D.[53] GPS logs were recorded by US Fleet Tracking, and Comma.AI's Chffr data logger, and data was shared with Time, Inc.Drive The Drive.
With an early-production Tesla Model 3, which are delivered to California-based customers only, Alex Roy and co-driver Dan Zorrilla broke the eastbound Electric Cannonball Run record again December 28–31 of 2017, driving 2,860 miles from the Portofino Inn to the Red Ball garage in 50 hours and 16 minutes.[54] GPS data was captured using the GPS Tracks application, and video evidence was shared on YouTube.[55] In July 2019 a family team of Robin Jedi Thomsen, and her parents Lars Thomsen and Betty Legler set a record of 48 hours 10 minutes driving westbound for 2,835 miles (4,562 km) in a Long-Range Rear-Wheel-Drive Tesla Model 3 between 12–14 July 2019.[56]
Semi-autonomous vehicle records

The first coast-to-coast autonomous record was set by employees of Delphi. Delphi engineers covered 3,400 miles, San Francisco to New York City, over a span of nine days.[57]
Carl J. Reese, Deena Mastracci, and Alex Roy set a new coast-to-coast record using Tesla's new Autopilot function. The trio made the 2,995-mile journey in 57 hours, 48 minutes after departing from Redondo Beach, California on October 18, 2015 at 9:15 p.m. PST, and arriving at Red Ball Garage in New York on October 21, 2015 at 10:03 a.m. EST.[58] The trip was completed with fewer than 14 hours of charging and 96 percent of the driving done by Tesla's Autopilot system. This record was a first outside of manufacture testing, proving that automated systems can deliver people coast to coast safely in record time.[59]
As of August 27, 2016, the semi-autonomous (Level 2) driving record stands at 55 hours, set during the electric cross-country record run by Franz Aliquo, Warren Ahner, and Alex Roy in a Tesla Model S 90D, whose "Autopilot" function was engaged 97.7% of the way.[60]
 
Hoid
#513
https://insideevs.com/news/362922/te...ll-run-record/

New EV CAnnonball record of 45 hours 16 minutes.
 
MHz
#514
https://electrek.co/2016/07/28/tesla...-supercharger/
Tesla Model S that won Pikes Peak reportedly abandoned at Supercharger for weeks

Most Tesla owners are well aware of Supercharger etiquette. It even came in focus last month when a Model X blocking 3 Supercharger stalls caused a small uproar in the Tesla community. While not blocking several parking spaces is basic parking courtesy, when it comes to Superchargers, there are also some electric vehicle specific aspects.
Ideally, you don’t leave your car plugged in at a stall for too long after it’s charged in order not to inconvenience anyone in need of a quick charge at a busy location. In the past few weeks, Tesla even started implementing a notification system through its app in order to alert owners that charging is completed and to please move their car.
Someone might be ignoring those notifications on their phone since a Model S has been reportedly abandoned at the Colorado Springs Supercharger for “weeks”. And it’s not any Model S, but the record-breaking GoPuck Tesla Model S that won first place for a production electric vehicle at the Pikes Peak Hill Climb last month.
Blake Fuller, CEO of GO Puck, was the driver of the vehicle and he is presumably the owner. His 11:48 run, which you can watch in full here, was enough to break the record for fastest production electric car to make the Pikes Peak Hill Climb.
Pikes Peak is only about 12 miles from Colorado Springs.
Tesla owners took to the forums this week to complain or at least discuss what is going on with the vehicle utilizing the Supercharger for the past few weeks.
We have reached out to Fuller yesterday via his publicist and through Twitter to ask what is going on, but we haven’t heard back yet.
The Colorado Springs Tesla Supercharger has 8 stalls and they are reportedly rarely all in use at the same time, so hopefully, it will not become a problem. Also, the Supercharger is located in the Cascade Parking Garage. Tesla has a deal with the propriety manager for free parking for an hour while charging, but outside of the arrangement, there’s a fee.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmWSnvWsV2s


https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/v...s-peak-record/
The electric Volkswagen I.D. R racer set a new overall Pikes Peak International Hill Climb record Sunday, racing up to 14,115 feet in a stunningly quick 7:57.148. The previous overall record of 8:13.878 was set in 2013 by Sébastien Loeb in a Peugeot 208 T16.
This is seriously impressive, though remember, the record will not be officially official until Monday, when final times are announced.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pikes_...#Car_divisions

Race records

Below follows all currently recognised records. Records set during the most recent running of the event are in bold type.
 
petros
#515
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

https://insideevs.com/news/362922/te...ll-run-record/
New EV CAnnonball record of 45 hours 16 minutes.

Driving the route of or in the official race?

It would be impossible for a full on EV Cannonball.
Last edited by petros; Aug 3rd, 2019 at 03:34 PM..
 
petros
+4
#516
Uh-oh, more troubles selling to uninterested 1%ers.

Tesla is bringing back free, unlimited charging for new Model S and X buyers

A new enticement for the company’s more profitable vehicles

By Andrew Liptak on August 3, 2019 1:06 pm


Tesla announced today that it’s bringing back a useful perk new customers who buy a new Model S or Model X vehicle: unlimited charging at its supercharger stations. The announcement comes after sales of the two models have slowed and after the company had greater-than-anticipated losses in its latest quarterly earnings report.


The company made the announcement in a Tweet (via TechCrunch), saying that all new orders would come with free unlimited charging at its network of Supercharger stations.
 
captain morgan
+3
#517
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Uh-oh, more troubles selling to uninterested 1%ers.

Tesla is bringing back free, unlimited charging for new Model S and X buyers

A new enticement for the company’s more profitable vehicles

By Andrew Liptak on August 3, 2019 1:06 pm


Tesla announced today that it’s bringing back a useful perk new customers who buy a new Model S or Model X vehicle: unlimited charging at its supercharger stations. The announcement comes after sales of the two models have slowed and after the company had greater-than-anticipated losses in its latest quarterly earnings report.


The company made the announcement in a Tweet (via TechCrunch), saying that all new orders would come with free unlimited charging at its network of Supercharger stations.


Too funny,, The company is such a stinky dog that they have to bribe buyers to save the ole planet
 
petros
+4
#518
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

Too funny,, The company is such a stinky dog that they have to bribe buyers to save the ole planet

I bet he pulls a GMAC and starts financing kitchen gadgets and riding mowers.
 
captain morgan
+4
#519
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

I bet he pulls a GMAC and starts financing kitchen gadgets and riding mowers.


It would be a better business plan than a business fully dependent on gvt subsidies
 
Twin_Moose
+3
#520
Tesla sued for wrongful death after fatal crash involving Autopilot
 
taxslave
+4
#521
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

It's like talking to a couple of fence posts.

Talking to yourself again?
 
taxslave
+4
#522
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

... And, lithium fires are extar difficult to extinguish.
Add in that all the plastic on the Tesla will probably melt and prevent a family from escaping the burning EV.
BBQ

Especially when the ultra stupid back them into salt water.
 
taxslave
+2
#523
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

https://insideevs.com/news/362922/te...ll-run-record/
New EV CAnnonball record of 45 hours 16 minutes.

Plus charge time.
 
Hoid
#524
^denial
 
Hoid
#525
cannot conceive of an EV that can go coast to coast in 45 hrs and 16 mins

therefore deny it happened.
 
petros
+2
#526
Why not? If an ICE can do it 32hrs...

If there were a true EV Cannonball how many portable diesel powered chargers would be needed?
 
Hoid
#527
btw the term used for non evs is "legacy vehicle"
 
petros
+3
#528
Says who? Moonbats?


legacy vehicle

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pgs
+2
#529
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

btw the term used for non evs is "legacy vehicle"

Why do you still drive a legacy vehicle ?
 
petros
+2
#530
A minivan. Lol
 
petros
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#531
Fun fact!

Vehicles with automatic transmissions are hybrids as well as heavy equipment using a hydrostatic drive system.

Mechanical energy to fluid to mechanical.
 
petros
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#532
An EV could shed a tonne using a single electric motor and a hydraulic pump.

Orbitals are lightweight making AWD easily attainable and efficient for an EV.

Hydrostatic drives are widely recognized as an excellent means of power transmission when variable output speed is required. Typically outperforming mechanical and electrical variable-speed drives and gear-type transmissions , they offer fast response, maintain precise speed under varying loads, and allow infinitely variable speed control from zero to maximum.

Unlike gear transmissions, hydrostatics have a continuous power curve without peaks and valleys, and they can increase available torque without shifting gears. But despite the superior performance of hydrostatics, a major drawback has been higher cost compared to their mechanical counterparts.

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Manufacturers, however, continue to boost performance levels, produce smaller and lighter packages, and offer advanced electronic controls. These factors now make hydrostatics an economical choice for many applications.

A basic hydrostatic transmission is an entire hydraulic system. It contains pump, motor, and all required controls in one simple package. Such a system provides all the noted advantages of a conventional hydraulic system -- such as stepless adjustment of speed, torque, and power; plus smooth and controllable acceleration; ability to be stalled without damage; and easy controllability -- with the convenience of single-package procurement installation.

Early hydrostatic transmissions were intended primarily for low-cost applications such as farm equipment and garden tractors. But improved designs -- particularly in controls -- have made these transmissions suitable for a broad range of applications.

As a result, light-duty units (less than 20 hp) are being used on equipment such as lawn tractors, golf-course maintenance equipment, and small machine tools; medium-duty units (25 to 50 hp) on skid-steer loaders, trenchers, harvesters, and other such vehicles; and heavy-duty transmissions (approximately 60 hp and higher) on agricultural and large construction equipment.

Part of the reason for the increasing attractiveness of hydrostatic transmissions is improved design of pumps and motors -- particularly higher flow and pressure ratings in a more compact package. For example, several years ago, most pumps could be expected to deliver about 0.125-gpm flow per pound of pump. Currently available pumps deliver about 0.5 gpm/lb, a 400% increase. Similarly, older motors provided about 0.5 hp/lb of motor; new motors provide about 2.5 hp/lb.

Performance: Hydrostatic transmissions are commonly available with at least three standards of output performance:

Variable-power, variable-torque transmissions are based on a variable-displacement pump supplying a variable-displacement motor. They can provide a combination of constant torque and constant power. These units are adjustable, flexible, and expensive.
Constant-torque, variable-power transmissions are based on a variable-displacement pump supplying fluid to a fixed-displacement motor under constant load. Speed is controlled by varying pump delivery. This is considered the best general-purpose drive, with wide speed ranges, up to 42:1, and simple controls.
Constant-power, variable-torque transmissions are based on a variable-displacement pump with a power limiter, driving a fixed-displacement motor. The forte of this unit is efficiency, but speed range is usually limited to 4:1.
Drive configurations: Hydrostatic transmissions usually take one of two general configurations, split or close coupled. A split transmission consists of a power unit with the hydraulic pump, heat exchanger, filters, valves, and controls mounted on a reservoir. The hydraulic motor is remotely mounted and connected to the power unit through hose or tubing. Split transmissions are typically used in heavy-duty applications because they offer wide flexibility in configuring a system for the most efficient use of space or best weight distribution.

Integrated, or close-coupled, transmissions have a hydraulic pump and motor that share a common valving surface. This arrangement provides an extremely short oil-flow path, eliminating high-pressure oil leaks either to the reservoir or to the environment. A cast casing or housing provides a self-contained oil reservoir, structural support for the rotating elements, and heat dissipation. They are usually bolted directly to a mechanical differential axle to form a hydrostatic transaxle. Close-coupled transmissions are typically found in light-duty applications, where tight space constraints require compact units, while high-volume production mandates easy assembly.

Transmission sizing: Hydrostatic transmission size normally is based on the corner horsepower of the work function. Corner horsepower is the product of the maximum force and maximum speed required by the function, even though these two conditions rarely occur simultaneously. Corner horsepower for vehicle propulsion is

Hc = ( Ft * V ) / 3,600n
where Hc = corner horsepower, kW; Ft = maximum vehicle tractive force, N; V = maximum vehicle speed, km/h; and n = final drive efficiency, %.

Transmission corner horsepower, Ht, is the product of maximum output torque (generally at a specified maximum pressure) and maximum output speed:

Ht = ( Tt * N ) / 9,550
:where T = theoretical torque at maximum system pressure, N-m; t = torque efficiency, %; and N = maximum transmission speed, rpm.

Initial transmission selection is made by comparing the results of these calculations. Selection is refined by considering the effects of duty cycle, final-drive ratio, rolling radius, primer-mover speed, and design life.

Electronic controls: Control capabilities for hydrostatic transmissions have advanced from simple remote electrical actuators to packages that offer complete optimization of machine performance. For example, electronics on paving equipment not only controls the transmission, including speed and rate of acceleration and deceleration, but also steering, paving height, rate of material flow, road crown, slope on curves, and so on.

While not currently economical for every application, proportional controls offer a reasonable payback in most traction drives and propel systems through fuel savings and increased productivity. Acceptance will quicken when the added benefits in addition to primary control are recognized. One such feature is performance monitoring, another is system diagnostics -- relating when servicing is needed, when failure is imminent, or where a failure has occurred. Such features are relatively easy to add into software because many of the variables needed are already measured for control.
 
taxslave
+3
#533
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

^denial

Reality. Just do a little basic math. They cannot do that many miles in the quoted timeframe and include charge time.
 
Hoid
#534
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Reality. Just do a little basic math. They cannot do that many miles in the quoted timeframe and include charge time.

(about 30 minutes to charge a Tesla)
 
MHz
#535
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Driving the route of or in the official race?

It would be impossible for a full on EV Cannonball.

There should be a built in fine meter to see who rings up the most tickets.
 
captain morgan
+3
#536
Another crappy week for Tesla.


It must be nerve wracking as management or an employee to see the train barrelling down the tracks and know that there is nothing that you can do about the impending doom
 
Hoid
#537
Crappy week in which they proved that they can catch and reuse the spaceX rocket nose cone, as they successfully launched an Israeli satellite into orbit.

Also the Boring Company's launch in China.

Wouldn't it be ironic if Tesla made the tunnel for the old No 5 under the great lakes?

I understand that pipeline is now shut down due to being a 65 year old bit of poorly engineered infrastructure.

I also understand why that bit of news is not discussed around here.
 
captain morgan
+3
#538
Pipeline is a go-ahead and any 65 year old parts will be upgraded using your hard earned tax dollars... Thanks tater tot!


PS - Tesla is doomed
 
Hoid
#539
Actually no. 5 is doomed and Trudeau has as many years left in politics as he wants.

This isn't to say we shouldn't all be voting green
 
captain morgan
+1
#540
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Actually no. 5 is doomed and Trudeau has as many years left in politics as he wants.

This isn't to say we shouldn't all be voting green